From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #381 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 06 : Number 381 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] NP & others ["Becky Payne" ] Re: [AVALON] NP & others [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] value of Roxy bootlegs ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] value of Roxy bootlegs ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Si and Bry ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry ["Becky Payne" ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["Sally-Ann Barbera" ] Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry ["Sally-Ann Barbera" ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album (long post). ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["Sally-Ann Barbera" ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["Sally-Ann Barbera" ] Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] Roxy to do something in 2002 [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto ["Peter Seely" ] Re: [AVALON] NP ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto ["Victor Hastings" ] [AVALON] What surrounds my Roxy? ["Keith Shockley" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album (long post). [AMeyersLD@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:08:59 +0000 From: "Becky Payne" Subject: RE: [AVALON] NP & others Oh, I always wondered what the meant ! Are there any others u can tell us ?? Becky x >OK then.... > >NP = now playing >LOL = Laughing Out Loud >lol = laughing out loud quietly > = a grin >FWIW = for what it's worth >AFAIK = as far as I know >IMHO = in my humble opinion >BTW = by the way > >Any questions? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:30:18 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP & others LMAO laughing my a**e off RALMAO rolling around laughing my etc Cheers Richard NP - Beach Boys - Smile Becky Payne wrote: > Oh, I always wondered what the meant ! Are there any others u can tell > us ?? > > Becky x > > >OK then.... > > > >NP = now playing > >LOL = Laughing Out Loud > >lol = laughing out loud quietly > > = a grin > >FWIW = for what it's worth > >AFAIK = as far as I know > >IMHO = in my humble opinion > >BTW = by the way > > > >Any questions? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:44:08 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] value of Roxy bootlegs Ahhhhhh, my favorite subject... >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:22:31 +0100 >From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] value of Roxy bootlegs > >Bootlegs are a tricky thing to put a value on, most are produced in runs of >probably no more than about 2000, I have a couple that are a limited >edition >of 25! But from going round the London and Sheffiled record fairs, CD boots >seem to sell for around 10 - 20 pounds, although it's very difficult to get >factory pressed boots these days, most are CD-Rs (that probably cost about >7p each to buy) often sourced from ropey MP3s with some shoddy artwork. CD-Rs are the greatest things in the universe because they are forcing prices down. Most shops that sell CD boots in the US are doing so for $22 a disc tops, whereas that was the average a year ago. Saturday, I'll be digging through a pile of $17 Tori Amos discs at Schoolkids in Athens, and even that's higher than the $15 apiece that CD Merchants charges. CD-R boots average $7-10 each. My "guy in the field" lets me have his company's wares for the low end. >Vinyl boots are altogether different! As Chris says, it's more about the >artefact. It's increasingly difficult to find vinyl boots on sale at fairs, >so shopping around Ebay and places like www.netsounds.com and www.gemm.com >are probably the best places to pick them up. If you can play Ebay well >then >you can often score a good bargain, but if you're like me you either end up >paying over the odds or just losing out! I usually limit myself to 50 >pounds >an item, and that's for any record or cd, not just boots. There are certain vinyl boots that are so cool to have and possess that a CD copy just isn't as exciting. I still think it has the stupidest title, but whoever did the 1979 Pasadena "Warped Leatherezz" is a design genius, because, lettering aside, that is the absolute visual equal of any of the first five Roxy albums, and it loses a lot shrunk down to the li'l 150x150 image you can see on my page. My personal obsession is with Stoned Records -- the Swedish company who did Roxy's "Why Do You Think I'm a Funky Chick?" (another stupid title), Patti Smith's "I Never Talked to Bob Dylan," and similarly high-quality records for Queen, Black Sabbath and Lou Reed (and someone else) in 1977. Not that I give two shugs for Queen or Sabbath, but Stoned Records just ooze quality. The people who sat down and laid out the "Chick" sleeve, and pressed that gorgeous red vinyl, cared far more about their finished product than anyone involved with the same year's "Roxy Music Greatest Hits" did, and that love and attention is apparent in the album. It's the same feeling you get holding a pristine, mint condition "Miles Smiles" or "Kind of Blue." Yeah, it's also out on CD and no, you probably don't want to risk putting this nearly-50-year old album on your turntable, but what you hold is art. Legalities be damned where a *good* vinyl boot is concerned; the thing is worth every penny. See also my frequent bugbear: 1989 European tour Paul McCartney boots. Some enterprising souls throughout northern Europe were putting astonishing box sets together: three or four LPs in boxes on colored vinyl, brilliantly designed, lavishly packaged with everything from replica tour programs to tickets. Then the official "Tripping the Live Fantastic" comes out and it literally looks like something a first-year art student cobbled together the night before it was due. >To anyone interested in the murky world of bootlegs I would highly >reccomend >a read of Clinton Heylin's excellent bootleg history 'The Great White >Wonders'. Essential! This amazin' book is available in the US as _Bootleg! The Secret History of the Other Recording Industry_ (or such) and was remaindered a few years back, so it can often be found for $4 or $5. "I am certain the Starbucks in Athens is the very best of all Starbucks, thanks in no small part to your good self. It is, nevertheless, a Starbucks." -- me to Bria, Aug 01 Grant Goggans http://go.to/popocalypse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:06:36 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] value of Roxy bootlegs If you take the time to shop around you can usually find what you`re looking for at a reasonable price. Here are two great sources. I dealt with them quite a bit in the 90`s with no problems but they represent both sides of the price spectrum. Saturn Records http://www.saturnrecords.com (Oakland, Ca.) used to keep a large inventory of old vinyl boots, especially Roxy. Their prices were very reasonable, no disappointments and they seemed eager to look up even the slightest details for you. About 3 years ago I picked up a still sealed copy of Silk Circles for $25. The pressing was near flawless and it was from this album the '76 Stockholm show was first treed on the list. But their vinyl is very scarce these days and most of their stock are CD boots. Inventory changes rapidly. Then there`s Les Harris http://www.lesharrisrecords.com/ (Austin(?) Tx.) who`s inventory of rare and obscure stuff is nothing short of mind blowing. He advertises in practically every issue of Goldmine and it`s not unusual to see prices in 4 figures. His vinyl boot inventory is probably the best in the world and the only place I`ve ever seen gems like the ten lp Dylan bootleg 10 of Swords. ($1000). Yeah, Les can be very pricey and his personality leaves a lot to be desired. It`s like dealing with Jack Webb from Dragnet....just the facts and only the facts and make it quick.....no small talk. He doesn`t come across as unfriendly, but he offers nothing but a droll, monotone answer to your question and you come away feeling like you just arranged a high dollar drug deal. A real character and the butt of many jokes on the record (vinyl) enthusiast news groups but I`ve never read where he burned anyone. The web site is kind of new and the best way to go for those seeking to avoid having to speak with him a second time. Either way you go, the trick is to keep checking back. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:00:42 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] value of Roxy bootlegs I've dealt with both of these outlets. Saturn were good, but do note that their CD boots are CD-Rs with photostat covers. There are kind folks in here who will probably copy them for free, rather than the 25 bucks they charge. I've bought some great vinyl from there though. Les Harris used to have an extraordinary inventory on the site, just about every Roxy boot ever pressed, but on request they actually turned out to be unavailable. I sent Les a list of needs, and got the statutory terse reply. He couldn't help at the time, but the guy is pretty legendary at sourcing hard to find items. I'm ashamed to say that I find there's quite a buzz to be got from sourcing a rare boot, or winning one at auction. It still feels a bit sordid. Britain isn't yet that relaxed about bootlegs, even though Heylin's excellent book notes that the right to own a single copy of a bootleg has long been enshrined in UK law. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tmoq" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] value of Roxy bootlegs > If you take the time to shop around you can usually find what you`re looking > for at a reasonable price. Here are two great sources. I dealt with them > quite a bit in the 90`s with no problems but they represent both sides of > the price spectrum. > > Saturn Records http://www.saturnrecords.com (Oakland, Ca.) used to keep a > large inventory of old vinyl boots, especially Roxy. Their prices were very > reasonable, no disappointments and they seemed eager to look up even the > slightest details for you. > About 3 years ago I picked up a still sealed copy of Silk Circles for $25. > The pressing was near flawless and it was from this album the '76 Stockholm > show was first treed on the list. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:32:45 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #380 >>Although there isn't a ton of live Roxy/Ferry available (compared to, say, the Grateful Dead), I'd still like to have live versions of every song that has been released in studio format. I don't think it's possible to be a completist -- I'm not aware of any live recordings of "Just Like You," "Serenade," "My Little Girl," "Spin Me Round," "Running Wild," "No Strange Delight," "Just Another High," The Space Between" or "True to Life." There are a few others I've surely left off. John Taylor has a live version of "Just Another High." (I love that song). The band name I believe is "Terroresten" something like that, "The Terrorist" in Swedish, if my rudementary Swedish serves... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:00:14 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Si and Bry So which is worse? Being in a picture with Simon Bates? Or wearing the worst sweater ever made? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1456543071 You decide! Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:19:24 +0000 From: "Becky Payne" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry lol, I like the way that the photo has got the names written underneath incase you get them mixed up or something ! Becky x >So which is worse? Being in a picture with Simon Bates? Or wearing the >worst >sweater ever made? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1456543071 > >You decide! > >Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:03:09 +1000 From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP LOL!!!it means Laughing Out Loud...that much I do know! But here is my totally embarrassing question...what exactly is a bootleg???? I have a vague idea but I'm afraid to say in case it's wrong. Will someone please put me out of my misery! Thank you...and please don't flame me for my nerdishness!!! LOL - -----Original Message----- From: Rosalind Bull To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 2:59 Subject: RE: [AVALON] NP >Okay okay - if we are admitting ignorance at the moment - what does LOL >mean? I assume it is more significant that lots of love, although my ususal >sunny nature reads it like that! > >-----Original Message----- >From: julie ahmadi [mailto:julieahmadi@hotmail.com] >Sent: 16 August 2001 17:54 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] NP > > >I was wondering that too. Not that well up on pc lingo >julie x > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:07:20 +1000 From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry hmmm...have to say Simon Bates...the sweater, weeeellll... - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Turner To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 8:58 Subject: [AVALON] Si and Bry >So which is worse? Being in a picture with Simon Bates? Or wearing the worst >sweater ever made? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1456543071 > >You decide! > >Chris > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:33:46 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP A bootleg is generally an unauthorized recording of a live show, issued by a label you've never heard of. A few artists encourage bootlegging of their shows. The Grateful Dead are the prime example. Springsteen is another artist who doesn't seem to mind his fans recording his shows. Phish apparently had the same approach too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > LOL!!!it means Laughing Out Loud...that much I do know! But here is my > totally embarrassing question...what exactly is a bootleg???? I have a vague > idea but I'm afraid to say in case it's wrong. Will someone please put me > out of my misery! > Thank you...and please don't flame me for my nerdishness!!! LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Rosalind Bull > To: 'avalon@smoe.org' > Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 2:59 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] NP > > > >Okay okay - if we are admitting ignorance at the moment - what does LOL > >mean? I assume it is more significant that lots of love, although my > ususal > >sunny nature reads it like that! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: julie ahmadi [mailto:julieahmadi@hotmail.com] > >Sent: 16 August 2001 17:54 > >To: avalon@smoe.org > >Subject: [AVALON] NP > > > > > >I was wondering that too. Not that well up on pc lingo > >julie x > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:39:22 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album (long post). - ---- Original Message ----- From: Robert Whiteford To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album. > So how many people actually believe this album will be released in February? > Still I live in hope. Rob, I really think this album will appear in February, it's already been put back to accomodate the Roxy tour and with all the other stuff that has built up without release I don't think Ferry will want to add to it plus Ferry is a hot comodity at the moment. I seem to remember an Australian interview being quoted earlier on in the week where he said that most of next year is already mapped out for him because of this album. It made me wonder if we will finally get the much talked about boxed set in 2002 or even a second album (solo or Roxy) towards the end of the year. This may sound a bit far fetched, but at the start of 1999 we never really expected him to undertake a prolonged solo tour and then follow that with a Roxy tour. Betwen these two tours he must have performed near on 100 shows since November '99. > Is this the one of 60's covers or the one of "rock" material? I think you'll find that they did play rock music back in the sixties. Seriously though if this album is going to contain covers and original material that had been recorded post Mamouna I am more than just a little puzzled as to how it will all weld together and how it will be promoted/marketed. ATGB had a hook to it in that it was enirely made up of thirties songs, this got it some publicity and generated interest from outside of his regular audience. While I personally look forward to the new album I don't think that it will have that outside appeal and I do hope that I'm wrong on that one. I have noted that he is likening it to TBSB in style, an album that is loved by the diehard fans, but did nothing comercially. If he tours to promote it I don't expect anything like the number of shows that he did for ATGB or the Roxy tour, again I could be wrong on that one as well. I do feel that with the response that the current tour has had there must be a big temptation to do some more Roxy shows in 2002, perhaps using the outdoor format of last summer, but again nowhere near as many shows as this time round. If they do put out a DVD and live album I'm sure the record company will want it to be promoted to help generate sales. As a Roxy/Ferry fan I reckon that there is a lot to "live in hope" for in over the coming year or two, who knows there could well be some very interesting surprises along the way. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:44:29 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] CONCERTO for 14.99? - ----- Original Message ----- From: SIMON GALLOWAY To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] CONCERTO for 14.99? > Virgin don't own those tapes, NMC will have licensed them from the radio > statio/company that made the original recording. It's a bit of a grey area. This may well be the reason as to why there has been so little broadcast from this tour. There are quite a few shows from the states from 76 and 79 that may well end up on the market due to the licensing loophole, with the two extra tracks appearing on the Concerto cd I reckon we will probably see a semi-official release of the Song For Europe bootleg sometime over the next year depending on how sales of Valentine, Vintage and Concerto have gone. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:54:00 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP At 08:33 PM 8/16/01 -0400, Victor Hastings wrote: > A few artists encourage bootlegging of their shows. The Grateful Dead are > the prime example. [snip] In which case it is authorized, thus not a bootleg, merely a recording. -wfs (in Type A mode) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:07 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > LOL!!!it means Laughing Out Loud...that much I do know! But here is my > totally embarrassing question...what exactly is a bootleg???? I have a vague > idea but I'm afraid to say in case it's wrong. Will someone please put me > out of my misery! > Thank you...and please don't flame me for my nerdishness!!! LOL There`s a real gray area here and it can get pretty deep, but in a nut shell: A bootleg is an unauthorized recording, usually a live performance like one made by someone at a show with a tape recorder or taped off the radio but it could include demo recordings or out takes. Basically, material the band never intended to be released. This is not to be confused with a pirated recording. This is a copy of an album that`s sold as an original release. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:13:15 +1000 From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP Thank you very much Victor : - -----Original Message----- From: Victor Hastings To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 10:38 Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP >A bootleg is generally an unauthorized recording of a live show, issued by a >label you've never heard of. > >A few artists encourage bootlegging of their shows. The Grateful Dead are >the prime example. Springsteen is another artist who doesn't seem to mind >his fans recording his shows. Phish apparently had the same approach too. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:03 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > > >> LOL!!!it means Laughing Out Loud...that much I do know! But here is my >> totally embarrassing question...what exactly is a bootleg???? I have a >vague >> idea but I'm afraid to say in case it's wrong. Will someone please put me >> out of my misery! >> Thank you...and please don't flame me for my nerdishness!!! LOL >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rosalind Bull >> To: 'avalon@smoe.org' >> Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 2:59 >> Subject: RE: [AVALON] NP >> >> >> >Okay okay - if we are admitting ignorance at the moment - what does LOL >> >mean? I assume it is more significant that lots of love, although my >> ususal >> >sunny nature reads it like that! >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: julie ahmadi [mailto:julieahmadi@hotmail.com] >> >Sent: 16 August 2001 17:54 >> >To: avalon@smoe.org >> >Subject: [AVALON] NP >> > >> > >> >I was wondering that too. Not that well up on pc lingo >> >julie x >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> > >> > >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ >> >The subliminable footer says: >> >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> >unsubscribe avalon >> > >> > >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ >> >The subliminable footer says: >> >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> >unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> >___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:21:32 +1000 From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP Now, thats what i thought it was...a pirate recording. thanks all for your replies. Now tell me...presumably if these bootlegs are done from a live show, surely the quality isn't that good on most of them? So, why are they so highly sought after? - -----Original Message----- From: tmoq To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 11:19 Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:03 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > > >> LOL!!!it means Laughing Out Loud...that much I do know! But here is my >> totally embarrassing question...what exactly is a bootleg???? I have a >vague >> idea but I'm afraid to say in case it's wrong. Will someone please put me >> out of my misery! >> Thank you...and please don't flame me for my nerdishness!!! LOL > >There`s a real gray area here and it can get pretty deep, but in a nut >shell: >A bootleg is an unauthorized recording, usually a live performance like one >made by someone at a show with a tape recorder or taped off the radio but it >could include demo recordings or out takes. Basically, material the band >never intended to be released. >This is not to be confused with a pirated recording. This is a copy of an >album that`s sold as an original release. > >Gene > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:42:54 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto An idea of treeing some early material that has never been treed or bootlegged before is being kicked around. These are audience recordings of varying qualities but all are quite listenable, entertaining and grand performances. On the top of the pile is a '74 Berlin performance from the Country Life tour, a '74 New York show from the Stranded tour and a '73 Sheffield show with Eno, among others. Audience recordings are an acquired taste but for those who appreciate the performance over sound quality these shows are outstanding and it`s the only thing we have until the powers that be give us what we really want........LIVE!!! But how many people would be interested in these recordings..........? Gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > hi > if anyone has any bootlegs from this era,please could you send me info about > what you have? > ta very much! > steph > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Roxy to do something in 2002 Bryan said on Australian TV show Rove Live last Wednesday that Roxy would be doing something next year! He said there is still life in the old dog yet. I am aware they are doing a live album and possible DVD from the current tour, but I read this as maybe either something in the studio or more live gigs! Or so says Graham http://pub42.bravenet.com/forum/fetch.php?id=9612567&usernum=3542466064 *** ===== Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:02:49 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP Yes. But not one that gives the label's accountants great joy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Sommers" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > At 08:33 PM 8/16/01 -0400, Victor Hastings wrote: > > > A few artists encourage bootlegging of their shows. The Grateful Dead are > > the prime example. [snip] > > In which case it is authorized, thus not a bootleg, merely a recording. > > > -wfs (in Type A mode) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:04:31 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP In many cases bootlegs offer live versions of songs that do not appear on "official" live releases. "Mother of Pearl", for example, never appeared on "Viva!," "Heart Still Beating" or "Musique" -- it did finally sneak out on the two disc Concerto collection. Yet "MOP" is one of Roxy's best moments on stage. Another reason is historical value. Roxy's live BBC performances in 1972 are groundbreaking in terms of the group's development, but the only way to enjoy them now is via bootleg. Yet another reason, of course, is to have something in your collection that makes people scratch their heads in confusion. And then there's the cover art.... So don't focus solely on sound quality (even though some boots are very high quality indeed). Bootlegs are an unfiltered, unenhanced way to enjoy music. It's the next best thing to being there. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:27:27 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto ME! Pete Seely - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tmoq" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > An idea of treeing some early material that has never been treed or > bootlegged > before is being kicked around. These are audience recordings of varying > qualities > but all are quite listenable, entertaining and grand performances. > On the top of the pile is a '74 Berlin performance from the Country Life > tour, a '74 New York show from the Stranded tour and a '73 Sheffield show > with Eno, among others. Audience recordings are an acquired taste but for > those who appreciate the performance over sound quality these shows are > outstanding and it`s the only thing we have until the powers that be give us > what we really want........LIVE!!! > But how many people would be interested in these recordings..........? > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > > > > hi > > if anyone has any bootlegs from this era,please could you send me info > about > > what you have? > > ta very much! > > steph > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:09:05 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > Now, thats what i thought it was...a pirate recording. thanks all for your > replies. Now tell me...presumably if these bootlegs are done from a live > show, surely the quality isn't that good on most of them? So, why are they > so highly sought after? The sound quality, besides being subjective, is really secondary. Having a copy of a performance from a particular tour, especially one that promotes a favorite album, is a great find to those of us who easily overlook whatever the quality may be. While there are many good quality stereo bootlegs out there, most of my favorite shows are audience recordings. People who base recordings on the quality often miss out on outstanding performances, IMO. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:11:22 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Hastings" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > Bootlegs are an unfiltered, unenhanced way to enjoy >music. > It's the next best thing to being there. Excellent point! Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:19:49 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tmoq" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > But how many people would be interested in these recordings..........? i can think of one.... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:24:50 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP I was going to compare it to drinking milk straight from the cow, but we Southerners already have a bit of a reputation.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tmoq" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > Excellent point! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:12:27 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: [AVALON] What surrounds my Roxy? Roxy Music - Romeo Void / Rush (the one w/ Free Will...I love that song) Bryan Ferry - The Fall / Fetchin' Bones Keith ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:34:17 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album (long post). Robert Writes writes: << Is this the one of 60's covers or the one of "rock" material? >> Ooh, a 60's cover albums of non-rock songs? Pete Seeger? John Cage? Early Sondheim? Coool! Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #381 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest