From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #353 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, August 4 2001 Volume 06 : Number 353 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] New York City ["Guy Lawley" ] [AVALON] Concerto ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] Concerto [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Dancing ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Oh dear. ["Guy Lawley" ] [AVALON] bargains BARGAINS!! ["Nigel Hollis" ] RE: [AVALON] A gay old time 2 and car registration ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Off Topic JOHN FOXX ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] Detroit Concert- A Fan's Notes Part 2 (Long Post) [KB Porter] RE: [AVALON] A gay old time 3 ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Here's in idea!!!!! ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON]To Be Or Not To Be ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] request to terry/request to Niki [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Roxy Music -First LP Question- Thanks! ["o-keeffeo-k8s0" ] Re: [AVALON]To Be Or Not To Be [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Detroit Concert- A Fan's Notes Part 2 (Long Post) [Daniel At] RE: [AVALON] Concerto ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. ["Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] New York City Belated reply to Chris... well done! Wish we could see the text of that mysterious e-mail from Ms Etienne! Hope this version of Avalon gets on the live album or the DVD! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Chris Turner Sent: 24 July 2001 15:17 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] New York City I have a little story to tell you. About a week ago I received an e-mail at roxyrama from someone purporting to be Yanick Etienne. She wanted to contact the tour with a view to joining, or putting in a guest appearance in NYC, where I think she is based. I replied with some record company information, and passed her e-mail on to the Roxy organisation (who were, shall we say, 'dubious' at the authenticity of this contact - I can't say I honestly blame them really...especially if you saw how the e-mail was worded..) The next day I got a reply from Yanick, saying that she had contacted the band in Toronto, and was waiting to hear whether she would be included. I guess you now know the rest. It's nice though, to have played a (very) small part in this. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:44:23 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: [AVALON] Concerto Concerto double CD thirten pounds ninety-nine at Tower Records London Picadilly. Absolute bargain. Sounds better than the previous release to me... my imagination or not? And certainly much better packaging. Guy NP - Concerto ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:01:03 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Concerto At 11.44 +0100 1-08-04, Guy Lawley wrote: >Concerto double CD thirten pounds ninety-nine at Tower Records London >Picadilly. Absolute bargain. Sounds better than the previous release to >me... my imagination or not? And certainly much better packaging. Guy, I hope that you had a good vacation. Concerto is, if I am not mistaken, the 1979 recording from Denver with new tracks like "Mother of Pearl". But they stuck them at the end, not in the order they were played at the concert, right? NP Re-Make/Re-Model, live BBC Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:24:49 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. In my fantsay world, one of the many projects a reformed Roxy are going to tackle is a covers album, "Songs From The 20th Century". Maybe Mr Jones would be on it, but definitely some greats by Dylan, The Velvets, Leonard Cohen and, as a sop to the market, those dull old Beatles! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of jimbo If roxy would record a cover album,here is a song that's definitive has to be on it. Mr Jones - Counting Crows. I think it could be fantastic when roxy is performing this song. Any other suggestions. Jim. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:24:52 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Sent: 25 July 2001 13:54 >I hope that they might come up with a new phase, Roxy mk III. Well, we can hope! I'm with you, Daniel, but it would be Mk IV or V, surely? Mk I: Roxy Music, FYP Mk II: Stranded to Siren Mk III: Manifesto to Avalon Or arguably, Avalon is already Mk IV in it's own right! >I guess that time will be the judge on this one. A new Ferry or a new Roxy >album does not matter much to me. What I would like is a new Manzanera >album like 801 Live... :-) I'm with you here too! Guy NP Concerto (Not as good as This Is Roxy Music - thanks again, Han & David!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:24:56 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. VU yes, because they undoubtedly influenced Roxy. Bowie, I'd rather not, since I doubt he influenced Roxy in their formative years. Other thoughts: more Neil Young maybe, and Ray Davies/Kinks. But this is all in a fantasy world, of course! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of terrypaulrigz8c Sent: 25 July 2001 14:35 Roxy Music are NOT a Covers band, look at the three civers they have done. They are not even very original versions of the songs , just lazy MOR stuff. I would rather they did a covers album of Bryan Ferry songs fromhis solo albums than a set of VU & bowie covers! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:24:59 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dancing LOL! LOL! LOL! Guy (in the UK) (who gets stiff early now and then...) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 25 July 2001 16:06 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Heather James wrote: > I think Nigel just meant that with that damp British climate, > folks in the UK tend to get stiff early ... I am going to be good. I am going to be good. I am going to be good. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:35:13 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Oh dear. Er, I think the reviewer just got their dates mixed up. Which does legitimately raise the question of whether they ought to be writing rock reviews, or whether they have an editor who ought to be in their job, or both. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Rosalind Bull Sent: 25 July 2001 18:07 "I can't find the review on the _New York Times_ website to put the quote into context, but I can't see how it follows that it's "cack" since I don't believer the reviewer is equating Roxy with punk in any way. Musical/artistic/cultural movements don't spring fully formed from the head of Zeus, and it's not incorrect to trace the roots of punk back beyond the Sex Pistols or The Clash (just as the roots of the hippie generation can be traced back all the way to the late 1940s). However, I am not saying that I think the reviewer is saying Roxy inspired punk either (because I don't think s/he is)." No, I don't think that the reviewer is suggesting that RM directly inspired punk either. It is fairly well documented that punk more than any other movement up to that time, was a fabrication, a manipulation, a reaction to rather than progression of much of what had gone directly before. I think the reviewer is stating the obvious in a not-particularly intelligent way. Purely subjective. __ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:53:20 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] bargains BARGAINS!! They're in the shops too. Are you sure that you can buy 4 for #20.00? Their web site states this offer is not extended to HMV outlets. Trust I am wrong. Nigel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:53:13 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. I, Daniel Atterbom, wrote: >>I hope that they might come up with a new phase, Roxy mk III. Guy Lawley replied: >Well, we can hope! I'm with you, Daniel, but it would be Mk IV or V, surely? >Mk I: Roxy Music, FYP >Mk II: Stranded to Siren >Mk III: Manifesto to Avalon > >Or arguably, Avalon is already Mk IV in it's own right! I think you're right, I counted the first six albums (incl Viva!) as Mk I >>I guess that time will be the judge on this one. A new Ferry or a new Roxy >>album does not matter much to me. What I would like is a new Manzanera >>album like 801 Live... :-) > >I'm with you here too! But i don't think Manzanera can get Eno on stage again. NP Simon & Garfunkel, Hazy Shade of Winter Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:53:00 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Detroit Concert- A Fan's Notes Part 2 (Long Post) To continue: Oh Yeah: What a revelation. I've never cared for F&B, don't own it and have generally disavowed it. But THIS SONG, my God, how great it is. Does anyone doubt that the "band playing on the radio" is Roxy Music itself? Bryan again sounds great and it's good that there are about 6 other folks onstage singing with him as well as thousands in the audience. My small complaint: I wish this song had as big an ending as it does a chorus. Both Ends Burning: This comes close to the idea of "the same but different" that I find so intriguing. Spedding's slide guitar and Bryan's harmonica make this a re-invention and to end it with a guitar war between Manzanera and Spedding, there's your third climax of the night. Tara: Nice to know that there's more to this than appeared on "Avalon" but, again, it has that "let's take a breather" feel. It's intermission and we all know Bryan is making a costume change. Mother of Pearl: Kick off the second part of the show with another high powered number. Lots of energy. From here on out every number ends with huge ovations from the audience that seem to leave the band thunderstruck, bemused, pleased. Avalon: Since I'd been offlist for a week prior to this gig, Amy had tipped me off that Yannick was now with the band so I wasn't surprised to see her come out for her number. She certainly held up her end of the duet and the audience roared at the end in tribute to her. Another peak. Dance Away: One of my faves and a great rendition. Again helped nicely by the solid vocal backing. Jealous Guy: Like a lot of folks on the list, I was hoping that this would not be in the setlist. However, after the band ripped into it and Andy gave an impassioned ending to it, the audience gave it what sounded to me like the loudest ovation of the night. Now here's my theory: We AVALONians would like Bryan acknowledged for the masterful songwriter that he is and it rubs us wrong that one of Roxy's biggest hits and a warhorse in the repertory is this cover. But isn't it possible that this song lets us join in on the band's salute to John Lennon and that some of what we're feeling is the emotion that we felt towards Lennon. So the song is bigger than just Roxy's performance. Anyway, based on the ovation I heard, this song will never be out of the Roxy/Ferry repertoire. Editions of You: Well, it only took twenty-something years for me to realize that the lyrics are: "And as I was drifting past the lorelei" not "And as I was drifting past the northern lights." Wow, how dumb was I? Loved all Bryan's little hand motions and facial expressions and the inimitable way he saunters/lumbers from front mike to his keyboard for the cheesy Farfisa type run on keyboard. Lots of good squawking from somewhere, is it Colin or Lucy? Love Is The Drug: This is another song I wish they'd retire but obviously I'm in the vast minority here. Strand: This is one song that you can always count on. Almost thirty years on and Bryan is still grabbing his lapels to "go incognito" and making all the other gestures we AVALONians have committed to memory. I'm laughing, smiling. This was my first Roxy song and will always be special. For Your Pleasure: I'd liked this song from early on but this is better use of it than I could ever have anticipated. The long, long outro seems like it was made for the stage exits. Bryan first, of course, visits to both sides of the stage, taking his time. Next Andy, who looks old, stiff and tired. To look at his face you'd think for sure that this is the one and only Roxy reunion/farewell tour. Next Manzanera and Spedding leave, almost together. By rights Paul Thompson ought to be next but we know he has to keep drumming for quite awhile. A shame he's not treated the same as the Big Three. But I'm not thinking sad thoughts, I've just seen Roxy Music again, taken my son to the best rock concert he may ever see and had a chance to sit way down front and feel like I was in a private party with the band. That's a good night, a once in a lifetime night. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:07:36 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] remake - remaster Duncan writes :- before i rush off to 'hmv' is there much audible difference between the 'original' cds and the 'remastered' series? I too found that Viva sounds much better, although I bought it earlier and have not had time to really listen to the others as they only arrived this morning (damn good service though as I only ordered them at 2pm on Friday). I would have thought that the first three at least would have room for improvement. Trouble is, it`s the same old story, no fan can be without them though can they?- and nows the time to buy. Regards to all. Nigel. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:05:45 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] request to terry/request to Niki Request to Niki: For goodness' sake lighten up, or chill out, or something...! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Niki H Sent: 27 July 2001 18:20 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] request to terry excuse me terry,if you want to read rubbish books and tabloid gossip,can you keep it to yourself and spare us the details,thank you. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:15:57 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Twilight in Atlanta... pt 2 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Grant Goggans Sent: 27 July 2001 22:24 The entire city forgets that Martin Fry ever existed. - ----------------------------------------------------------- If only the rest of could as well... Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:36:22 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A gay old time I'm pretty much with the great Gore Vidal on this one... his opinion, as many of you probably know, is along these lines: The word "homosexual" is an adjective, not a noun. There is homosexual behaviour, i.e. there are homosexual acts. Anyone could perform a homosexual act if the circumstances were right. Or, as Jocelyn reminded us, the difference between a straight man (or woman?) and a gay man is six pints of lager (or a couple of sweet sherries!). My own view: vive la difference! (But maybe I just haven't met the right man yet.) And I haven't read a word on this list yet to indicate anyone here is homophobic. A bit of cheap irony which made me smile, yes. but nothing negative. Guy PS: Did someone mention Velvet Goldmine? Many of us are old enough to say: I was *there*, baby. Make of that what you will! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Heather James Sent: 28 July 2001 15:25 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] A gay old time I think some of the folks here put an spin on our man Bryan that wasn't apparent in the original messages. Some emotional baggage no doubt. I was talking about why some folks might perceive that Bryan could be part of the Gay community. I never said bryan WAS a part of the community - but from some of the mail here, you'd think I'd called Bryan a leper. People, get a clue - there is nothing wrong with the Gay community. Bryan apparently doesn't think so either - Anthony Price and a number of folks in Bryan's circle seem to be a part of the gay community. That doesn't mean that Bryan is gay - but it does mean that Bryan is considerably more open minded about what other people do than some of the folks here are. Quite apparently, he isn't afraid to have gay friends. Gay is not an like a cold - you won't "catch it" if you are around people who are Gay. Homophobia is really out of place in a mail list with this much style and sensibility. If you are a fan of the man and his music you should follow his good example and not judge the folks around you. -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:36:24 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A gay old time 2 and car registration Right On, Andrew! And I think it's CPL593H (on the grounds that my parents' car used to be BKX581B) but wiser heads will have replied to that by the time you read this, I'm sure. What would be good to know is what part of Britain the CPL ties the car to. BKX was Buckinghamshire, I'm pretty sure. Get my drift? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of AMeyersLD@aol.com Sent: 28 July 2001 15:49 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time Roxy has always been percieved as a "gay-freindly" band. While I have never heard anything to suggest that any of them are/were gay, clearly they travelled in circles where it was not unusual for people to be Out. And in early seventies around the glitter being Gay or at least Bi was rather fashionable. Long ago some one explained it to me like this: "In the 50's, Rock was white people absorbing the aesthetic of black people; in the 70's it was straight people absorbing the aesthetic of gay people." Which is fine. Speaking for myself, as a straight man whose lifelong best freind is gay, I feel that I live in a community were sexual orientation is less important than height or eye colour or religeous belief. (Of course, as we approach 40, Weight is most important...) That Roxy Music was gay freindly back in the day speaks well of them. And if one or two members experimented on occassion... well, it is none of our business. Okay? Now for important stuff: Is it CPL 5938 or 593A or 593H? Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:46:32 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bry is French Oh, come on, Jocelyn! You made that up, admit it!!! OK, I'm kidding, I'm sure you told it straight (!) and it's a classic!! I hope Ferry gets to read that one! LOL Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Patricia Louie Sent: 28 July 2001 19:05 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Bry is French With J O'B on his comments re A Gay Old Time, however an overheard conversation in the Ladies restroom after the Camden concert might throw a little light on how these speculations start. Oh he is forever the dandy! Forever the dandy! Yea he really is And he's gay you know. No!! He has children. Oh! But he is forever the dandy doncha think? Oh sure. Sure. He's not from the States is he? No he's English. Oh, I thought he was French. French? I heard him speaking French. Oh, so he's French? But he's still a dandy. So there you have it folks, conclusive evidence that if you have an ounce of style you are either gay or French, or even better, both. Viva les dandies!! Jocelyn. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:46:34 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Off Topic JOHN FOXX Oh, this is good news! Is Your Dress the same as the 12" single mix? I had a copy of that which got warped - tragic! I loved it to death! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 28 July 2001 19:08 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Off Topic JOHN FOXX Metamatic Update 28.07.2001 Hello everyone, ***** CD Release details... All four of John's 'Virgin-era' solo albums ("Metamatic", "The Garden", "The Golden Section" and "In Mysterious Ways") are due to be released on CD on the Edsel label, which is a division of the Demon Music Group. Each disc will feature a selection of appropriate extra tracks together with a twelve page booklet. Full details are as follows... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 08:49:45 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Detroit Concert- A Fan's Notes Part 2 (Long Post) Great review, Arnie! Wish I had been there. In fact, thanks to all who have taken time to write about their latest Roxy Music experiences - whether good or not so good - I'm enjoying it all. Thanks. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:56:49 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A gay old time 3 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Judy Kaufman Sent: 29 July 2001 04:16 This whole discussion is so laughable I can't even work up a mad-on. The man has 4, yes FOUR, sons. Gay? I don't even see how anyone could give it a second thought. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear! This thing is really getting far too polarised! Why does it have to be "gay" or "not-gay"? I know at least one man with a 20-year marriage, going strong, 3 great kids to whom he's a great dad, and occasionally, when the mood takes him, a night-life spent cruising the gay bars and having all sorts of fun!! "Open up your eyes, then you'll see all that you should..." as a lyricist we all know and love once sang. Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:56:51 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Here's in idea!!!!! Brilliant indeed! But we're back in that fantasy world again, aren't we? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of terrypaulrigz8c Sent: 29 July 2001 15:35 OK, so there is just one show to be booked, how about this. They should book a London Theatre of 4 nights. Doing their final concert ( maybe ever) in 4 stages. Set Lists: 1st night: All songs from Roxy Music & FYP. Plus VP & Pyjamarama. 2nd night: Stranded & Country Life. 3rd night: Siren & Manifesto. including both versions of Angel Eyes. 4th night: Flesh & Blood & Avalon, plus Jealous Guy. Now before you all throw up your hands and say its crazy I KNOW. BUT some of the piano based numbers could be done very simply, IE: 2HB, Beauty Queen, Just Like You, Tryptich, End of the Line, etc. If Bryan needed to rest his voice the band could do the b-sides, anyone for a Hula Kula! There could be official live CDs & DVDs of each night available through Expression. Don't you all think this is a brilliant idea in theory? If not very practical. Terry. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:56:52 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON]To Be Or Not To Be Er, I think there might be a wee small chance that JF was being amusing there, KB. You know, wacky zany madcap British humour and all that. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KB Porter Sent: 29 July 2001 17:22 ["Well said Jock, and no way is he a poof, so fuckin' pack it in!" JF ] If he were a 'poof' would it matter? Just pack it in, Froxy. Either feign respect for the man's private life, or go share your life with Thom Wallace who'll no doubt tell you to 'get a life'! Whatever life you choose, remember it is yours alone. Could be, your best friend or spouse is a 'poof'. Could be your child or preacher is a 'poof'. Even perhaps that teacher whom you hold in high esteem because he was the only teacher you've ever had that demanded your best work effort - the only one who ever really taught you anything worth knowing - - the only one who genuinely cared about you, the student as a person, who gave you respect, too, is a 'poof'. Could be, anyone you care about is a 'poof'? Does it matter? Would it matter? Why? There already exists too much hatred. I wish you well. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 08:52:44 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] request to terry/request to Niki Guy, welcome back. I think Niki has left the list or, at most, is lurking. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:00:16 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bry is French "... however an overheard conversation in the Ladies restroom after the Camden concert might throw a little light on how these speculations start." Er, I heard that conversation took place in the Ladies restroom after one of the Wimbley gigs!!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:51:12 +0100 From: "o-keeffeo-k8s0" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music -First LP Question- Thanks! The LP I managed to get was on Island and does not include VP, Daniel. It's in good condition though, but the cover isn't as shiny as I'd like! A wee bit creased actually but I'm delighted with it. Small world is right Terry! Fancy that! I was literally in and out as I'd phoned beforehand but I did spy some interesting Bowie stuff. Oh if only I had the time! All the best, Pauline. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:07:04 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Censorship KB, sometimes you talk a lot of good sense! A manifesto indeed! This stuff ought to "go without saying" but sometimes it needs to be said. And do let's try to be polite. It's not that much fucking effort to keep it bloody polite is it? ;O) Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KB Porter Sent: 29 July 2001 17:29 Should one choose to lead a public life and then assume they have a right to privacy? Yes. But it is naive for any public figure to expect that their right to privacy will not be violated at times, since human decency does not always prevail. Given human nature, one must reasonably expect that people will think and do things that one deems inappropriate, not kind, or genteel. As part of the public domain, one should be careful not to be fooled - once a truth or lie concerning a figure publicly exists, that figure is not owed any courtesy of silence. (That is not to say the figure is not entitled to available legal remedy). It is one thing to discuss various available information, it is another to initiate and promulgate salacious or slanderous information or rumor. Each individual must decide what is expectable personal behavior - to gossip or not to gossip - - to spew forth obscenities or not - to perpetrate abuse and display prejudiced claims aimed to debase another person's inherent dignity or not. Do not be naive. The only control that may be effectively exerted is that of self-control. Guides to acceptable behavior may only be suggested. It is not reasonable to demand that a collective of various individuals, who freely congregate, adopt a request from external sources seeking to censor that group's discussion of any matter. It is totally reasonable that every individual has the responsibility to grasp the idea that what you read, what you say, what you do is at your own peril. If you pick up a smut-mag expecting it to be healthy and wholesome, you are naive. If you go to a children's show expecting graphic violence, sex and pornography, you are naive and stupid. Do not read Avalon List unless you are prepared to read a very diverse body of facts, fictions, opinions and ideas. Avalon List has but one responsibility to the persons who are the subjects of our discussions - a responsibility to not create lies, not to libel our subjects. A reader would hope each contributing member would be in command of their 'better' self and would not engage in the creation or dissemination of ignorant and harmful ideas about others. But to try and impose a code of conduct beyond one that requires each individual to self-censor is neither practical nor very desirable. If Bryan Ferry's camp want a sanitized fairyland they are free to try and create it somewhere other than Avalon List. It has been said before, Avalon List is a list by fans, for fans. It does not exist solely to bolster the egos of its subjects, it exists to discuss, to examine, and to postulate. Do no evil, is the only rule I see which may be applied across the collective world. Responsibility begins with each individual, is promulgated with love, and is spread through interaction with others. Those who hate are void of a sense of personal responsibility and they will engage in undesirable behavior. We might try to control others, but that is wrong and irrational. The best one may do is to 'proof' loved ones who may be at risk of finding personal offense in the things they hear, read, and see in the outside world. That is, educate those around you that things are not always what they appear to be, that truth and lies may be very unkind, that external influences are controllable only at a personal level - a matter of perspective. It is not prudent to force your value system and code of ethics upon an other's eyes and ears merely for your own gratification. And when you find the answer, bring it home to me. Best wishes. K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:17:28 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON]To Be Or Not To Be Er, I think there wasn't the slightest chance that Froxy was being amusing there, Guy. You know, based on the history of several comments he has made to the list he is ........ I doubt he's changed spots at all. KBP "Er, I think there might be a wee small chance that JF was being amusing there, KB. You know, wacky zany madcap British humour and all that." Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:17:38 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Detroit Concert- A Fan's Notes Part 2 (Long Post) At 07.53 -0400 1-08-04, ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: >Now here's my theory: We AVALONians would like Bryan acknowledged for the >masterful songwriter that he is and it rubs us wrong that one of Roxy's >biggest hits and a warhorse in the repertory is this cover. But isn't it >possible that this song lets us join in on the band's salute to John Lennon >and that some of what we're feeling is the emotion that we felt towards >Lennon. So the song is bigger than just Roxy's performance. Anyway, based on >the ovation I heard, this song will never be out of the Roxy/Ferry repertoire. I for one like Roxy Music's version of "Jealous Guy" better then Lennon's. I was blown away the first time I heard it, when they came out and did it as encore at a German TV show that was broadcasted live back in 1981. (20 years passes quickly, don't they?) Ferry and the boys have done some great songs, and I think that Arnie has a point. It's bit like Lennon's pal Harry Nilsson. The missed Nilsson was a good songwriter, but the late Fred Neil wrote Nilsson's most popular song "Everybody's Talking". NP Simon & Garfunkel, Fakin' It Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:27:32 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Concerto Yes, it's Denver April 12th 1979, MOP and Editions Of You are stuck on the end. And as someone else has pointed out, the sax outro to Stronger Through The Years which is really the intro to Ladytron gets split across the 2 discs in this version... bizarre! Since neither disc comes close to 72 minutes there seems no reason to do this... unless it was mastered for 2 vinyl discs, which I suspect was the case. Even so, the CD could have been different. This gig doesn't match up to the current tour, IMHO, but it's still a good value for money purchase for us die-hard fans. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Sent: 04 August 2001 12:01 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Concerto At 11.44 +0100 1-08-04, Guy Lawley wrote: >Concerto double CD thirten pounds ninety-nine at Tower Records London >Picadilly. Absolute bargain. Sounds better than the previous release to >me... my imagination or not? And certainly much better packaging. Guy, I hope that you had a good vacation. Concerto is, if I am not mistaken, the 1979 recording from Denver with new tracks like "Mother of Pearl". But they stuck them at the end, not in the order they were played at the concert, right? NP Re-Make/Re-Model, live BBC Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:27:37 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Sent: 04 August 2001 12:53 >>I guess that time will be the judge on this one. A new Ferry or a new Roxy >>album does not matter much to me. What I would like is a new Manzanera >>album like 801 Live... :-) > >I'm with you here too! But i don't think Manzanera can get Eno on stage again. Daniel - ----------------------------------- Probably true, Daniel, but you never know. And Manzanera, Mackay, Thompson and Spedding together in a band would be pretty cool. Guy _ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #353 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest