From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #337 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, July 28 2001 Volume 06 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Atlanta show ["Keith Shockley" ] Re: [AVALON] Milan [roxylia@freemail.it ()] [AVALON] Twilight in Atlanta... pt 1.5 ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry v. Sylvian [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] to Niki [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Twilight in Atlanta... pt 2 ["C. H. Soetemann" ] Re: [AVALON] A gay old time [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] Public apology ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold [Aleks Kocan ] [AVALON] Gutterpress/Offensive Items [Aleks Kocan ] [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) [Aleks Kocan ] [AVALON] C'era una volta in America part 2 ["danilo zalambani" ] Re: [AVALON] C'era una volta in America part 2 ["Peter Seely" ] [AVALON] C'era una volta il west ["danilo zalambani" Subject: [AVALON] Atlanta show First a shout-out to my homey Grant for hosting the pre-show Avalonian meeting. Enjoyed meeting everyone else...a quality group of usual suspects if ever there was one. It's over 24 hours later and I am still wired. Great seats...stunning performance...and a prety respectable crowd at least where I was sitting. Of course I wanted to hear Mother of Pearl (their magnus opus in my book) and those damn jet airplanes flying overhead made sure that at least three songs from this show won't make it on the dvd. But the show was everything I could ask for and more. So TGMC (The Great Maggie Curran) says they are staying at the Ritz-Carlton. We decide to head there after the show and after about a half-hour here they come...straggling in alone and in small groups. I cut to the chase: we talk to them at the bar..... Bryan, Paul, Phil, and Andy sign my cd copy of the self-titled debut, and I am in Avalon. God you can take me now...I will die a happy man. Still wouldn't trade the personal encounter for the show though. Even though they had a 3 hour flight delay from NYC and practically had to go straight to chastain, they played their hearts out. I saw no going-through-the-motions here. These people love what their doing and they do it as well as anybody.....but of course I'm biased. Keith (who would gladly listen to Ferry whistle Jealous Guy a hundred more times) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 2001 08:19:37 -0000 From: roxylia@freemail.it () Subject: Re: [AVALON] Milan An Avalonian from Rome has contacted the organizators, and they said they have some delay in printing the tickets. That means, I guess, for the time being the only possible choice is to book them, and then wait and see. I think I'll make a trip to Milan one of these days, as it seems to be the only place in Italy where they have an idea of this concert. Ticketmasters of whole Italy can't help. Anyway, I don't think there will be the risk of missing the tickets. RM are not that popular here. Dear Avalonians, please feel free to contact me, if you're interested in the tickets or anythink else about this concert. I cannot guarantee a quick answer but I'll answer when I can. Cecilia At 08.41 28/07/01 +0100, Mark wrote: >Chris, > >Thanks for the web address - which fortunately is bilingual Italian/English. >I have booked a couple of standing tickets which (hopefully) will arrive in >double-quick time. They don't post the tickets to you by ordinary mail but >you can either collect on the day of the concert from the Filaforum or spend >a fortune having the tickets couriered to you by TNT - in view of Cecilia's >posting I thought that I should do the latter. I'll let the list know >when/if they arrive. > >Regards to all. > >Mark - ----------------------------------------------------- messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva http://www.supereva.it - ----------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 04:54:01 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Twilight in Atlanta... pt 1.5 An hour later, or was it minutes?, the venue's lights were cut. I stopped looking at the sky and paid attention to the stage. "South Downs" got the locals shouting. The curtain drops and "Re-make/Re-model," the best song ever written, begins. The locals are dimwitted; nobody knows where Bryan is. When he rises from his piano, he gets a thunderous ovation. They are being filmed and immediately projected in black-and-white solarised close-up onto the backdrop, and themselves, and the front rows of the audience. It looks a lot like the song's promotional film. Julia, in a sleeveless blue top, has chosen black VU-shades, which look very odd blown up and solarised. There's instantly no questioning the band's commitment; they're all giving 110%. Bry remains a gracious master of ceremonies, frequently moving to the side and letting Phil, Chris and Andy (who, for the first time in 30 years, is better dressed than Bry) all the room they need to make their thunderous noise. This is expanded during the finale of "Ladytron," when everyone on stage, and half the audience, seem to shrink back in fear of what Manzanera does to his guitar. I don't know what the instrument did, but it must have really ticked Phil off. As he plays it, the guitar keeps making a desperate bid for freedom, but Phil's fingers remain angrily locked, and all that escapes is the harshest, loudest, most beautiful roar that has ever been heard. People around me are wide-eyed and stunned as Phil moves with firey grace. The strings never leave his fingers, so the guitar must be defying gravity. Years ago, Jack Bruce described a guitarist who hurled his instrument across the stage while it was still playing. Now I know it wasn't hyperbole, and that the only reason Phil wasn't declared God in 1972 was because Eric Clapton was still alive and nobody wanted to prove Nietzsche right. (cont'd in pt 2) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 04:55:03 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Twilight in Atlanta... pt 2 The audience goes nuts for "While My Heart is Still Beating." It has more energy than any previous live performance. Oh yes, of course, Paul Thompson's drumming it. That's why. Likewise, "My Only Love" and "Jealous Guy" have a more powerful and confident backbeat. I know Bry's a proud fellow, but I hope he's spoken to the Great man and admitted his error in firing him all those years ago. "My Only Love" has one of the evening's most unusual moments: two-thirds in, Bry chooses to speak, rather than sing the line "Let me tell you something." There is no way that hoary bit of schmaltz could have possibly worked. Yet it does, such is Bry's honesty and vunerability. The magic of the second lasts for hours. There are two other such moments, the sort of which Chris Roberts once described as being worth eating Wembley Arena to witness. The first comes during "A Song for Europe," when Ferry has finished his quiet French passage and begins to sing that part loudly. He fixes the arena with an unblinking stare as he sings, conveying absolute, thrilling confidence. He is the Cool Ruler. We are but his subjects. Something catches in my throat. The other comes a bit later on when Bry emerges in his silver lame suit, pulling it off without even a backwards glance. The entire city forgets that Martin Fry ever existed. I haven't mentioned Lucy Wilkins, so let me do so, at length. I've heard the not-very original maxim that a good violinist uses the bow as an extension of his soul. Lucy's bow is plugged not just into her soul, but her spine as well. "Out of the Blue" was played with such fire, and with such clenched passion in her face, that I feared she was about to collapse with paralysis at any second. How in the world is it possible to invoke the spirits of both Eno and Jobson so successfully all night long and yet maintain, or rather insist, your individual persona? It simply doesn't make sense, and yet Lucy did it. If Roxy should happen to remain together, then Lucy proved here, with her raw, primal power on "Out of the Blue" and her freakish contribution to "In Every Dream Home a Heartache," that she deserves to be an integral part. Bry introduced the band after "Tara." What he didn't tell us was that Yanick Ettiene came down the coast with them, in order that she might thrill the audience with her contributions to "Avalon" and "Dance Away." Now, I don't have a bad thing at all to say about Sarah Brown, whose voice, while mixed low, was strong and effective and gave "Dream Home" and "Both Ends Burning," especially, incredible depth and atmosphere. If our English friends disliked "Avalon" on this tour, it is because they were without Yanick, who owns that song. There was more, some of which was not so good. The moron behind us who kept shouting the lyrics to "Eight Miles High." The moron behind the Avalon table below who decided to yammer at the group and generally give Georgia a bad name. The low-flying jet that roared over during Colin's lengthy intro to "A Song for Europe." But you'll notice none of these were the band's fault. When they came back for "Love is the Drug," every single person in Chastain was up and dancing, excepting Debi, who does not dance. "Do the Strand" kept most of us on our feet. "For Your Pleasure" knocked us on our collective backsides. What an ending. Triumphant, graceful and perfect in every possible way. Rain? Not a drop. Karma held. Come back soon, guys. In case you didn't notice up there on stage, Atlanta loved you. set list: Re-make/Re-model, Street Life, Ladytron, While My Heart is Still Beating, Out of the Blue, A Song for Europe, My Only Love, In Every Dream Home a Heartache, Oh Yeah, Both Ends Burning, Tara, Avalon, Dance Away, Jealous Guy, Editions of You, Love is the Drug, Do the Strand, For Your Pleasure Grant Goggans comments welcome http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:15:08 -0400 From: "Patricia Louie" Subject: [AVALON] A Brief Interlude Still Stateside but now able to read the digest at least. A mere couple of pointers before heading back into Manhattan on a shopping frenzy (it's presently @ 4.30am and I'm just back from another Retro New York jaunt for me, this time into the heart of Brooklyn for one of the infamous Bang the Party nights) 1)Lucy W informs us that Yanick is booked to appear 'til LA. 2)Re the Ferry gay thang, we ALL know the difference between a straight man and a gay man is 6 pints of lager ( or a couple of sweet sherries in some peoples' cases-you know who you are!) 3) God, how I love this city. Jocelyn Still chewing up the Big Apple. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:17:40 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry v. Sylvian At 12.43 -0700 1-07-27, Eman 97 wrote: >I think Ferry would have been a dreadful KC lead singer, and what's more it >would have robbed us of the birth of Roxy Music perhaps. Elton John also wanted the job as lead singer for King Crimson, prior to Your Song (and Bad side of the Moon I think it's called?). NP Four Tops Reach Out I'll Be There Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:22:29 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] to Niki At 15.48 -0400 1-07-27, Colleen Matan wrote: >That may be true, and I'm flattered, but I would like to think that I also >always stand up for the right of everyone to speak freely. It's not >possible--nor is it desirable, in my opinion--to police the list and weed >out topics that are distasteful to you. If something is truly over the >line, the list members generally make short work of that topic. If you do not want to read posts they can easily be deleted and, if one is so inclined, filtered away. NP Four Tops Ask the Lonely Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:36:03 +0000 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Twilight in Atlanta... pt 2 A very interesting detail, Grant - I don't know if he did it throughout the whole batch of shows so far, but in Munich I first wondered whether he had missed the moment when to restart singing after his keyboard playing, but then I thought that spoken phrases within the singing (sometimes neither of it), the Sprechgesang aspect had often played an important role in Roxy's and Ferry's work (especially early on). Christian - ---------- >Von: "Grant Goggans" >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: [AVALON] Twilight in Atlanta... pt 2 >Datum: Fre, 27. Jul 2001 21:23 Uhr > >"My Only Love" has one of the evening's >most unusual moments: two-thirds in, Bry chooses to speak, rather than sing >the line "Let me tell you something." There is no way that hoary bit of >schmaltz could have possibly worked. Yet it does, such is Bry's honesty and >vunerability. The magic of the second lasts for hours. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:58:31 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time In a message dated 27/07/01 19:00:25 GMT Daylight Time, davdmock@excite.com writes: << Anyway- I think if Bryan was gay then somebody on this list would have heard about it by now. >> I think we forget on this list sometimes that Bryan Ferry the icon of the records we buy and the concerts we watch, is also a human being. We buy his CDs and have a right to dicuss the contents of that CD and we pay to see him perform that music at shows. It is also our right to discuss our opinions of what we paid to see. We forget that Bryan is also a father, a husband, a brother & friend to many. We should have the common decency to respect this and not speculate about parts of his private life that should have no concern to us. We don't know who reads these mails, anyone can! As I said, Bryan is also a father, a husband, a brother & friend to many, so there are a few people in his life who are not there primarily because of his music. I would imagine some of the sh*t written on this list could be offensive and disturbing if read by certain members of his family. Give these people a bit of respect and remeber Bryan is a human being and not just an artefact that is the face of the music we love. John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:09:12 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] more protests against terry At 20.59 +0100 1-07-27, Niki H wrote: >I find the language you use to talk about gays very offensive,there are much >nicer ways to discuss Bryan'sexuality without sounding disaproving or >mocking.like Michael Stipe until recently,,he has chosen not to reveal to >the public whether he is bisexual,so as his admirers,we should respect his >wishes.of course in the early days,we all thought he was gay but he never >discussed it. There is a difference betweem being gay and being bisexual. Up until the 17th or 18th century, a bit depending on where one lived, there were only two sexes. Then it became four or five sexes. Relations between the same sex were, up until then, socially accepted, ancient Greece being the most famous example. Of course religion played a part in this change in moral values. Children produced within a marriage become as social norm in the Western world. Michael Stipe has a male partner these days and he is very open about it. He said in Q Magazine as few years back, like "I am bisexueal, bilingual, bi everything". NP Four Tops, Standing in the shadows of love. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:32:07 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time > In a message dated 27/07/01 19:00:25 GMT Daylight Time, davdmock@excite.com > writes: > > I think we forget on this list sometimes that Bryan Ferry the icon of the > records we buy and the concerts we watch, is also a human being. > > We buy his CDs and have a right to dicuss the contents of that CD and we pay > to see him perform that music at shows. It is also our right to discuss our > opinions of what we paid to see. > > I would imagine some of the > sh*t written on this list could be offensive and disturbing if read by > certain members of his family. Give these people a bit of respect and remeber > Bryan is a human being and not just an artefact that is the face of the music > we love. Well put John. I get the feeling that there are some on this list who must lead very empty and unimportant lives if this is the sort of crap that they feel the need to discuss. Personally I don't buy the gutter press so I do find it offensive to have this sort of cheap nonsense mailed to me via the mailing list. Get a life folks. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 06:34:45 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time In a message dated 28/07/01 11:23:36 GMT Daylight Time, OBrienFerry@aol.com writes: > < Bryan is a human being and not just an artefact that is the face of the > music > we love.>> Well said Jock, and no way is he a poof, so fuckin' pack it in! JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:37:02 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Public apology Can I just say in my defence that this story originated from an extract of Jerry Halls biography, which I do not own, but read the extract on a ROXY MUSIC WEBSITE!. The rest by my own admission was speculation. Apologies to anyone offended, excluding the person who referred to gay people as "poofs", you should get back in your cave. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 04:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold Came across an item on e-bay - a gatefold cover version of the Country Life LP. According to the seller, it's very rare (rare minimum bid as well $100) I've never seen this type of gatefold cover for Country Life, anyone know anything about this? Is it a UK release? Anyone seen it before? Is it an initial run (ala "Siren" aqua/yellow cover)? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1450404037 Just curious Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Gutterpress/Offensive Items - --- Colleen Matan wrote: > I also always stand up for the right of everyone to > speak freely. If something is truly over the > line, the list members generally make short work of > that topic. > > Personally I very much like the different opinions on > this list, even if I don't always agree with them. > Completely agree with Colleen. I think people have a right to free speech, and others have a right to challenge their views. I tend to read every e-mail on this list, some are more relevant/interesting than others. Some people might find my views/postings interesting and others may think they're dross. Certain posts end up going off on a tangent, but if there's enough interest, they continue. Otherwise as Colleen says, the list makes short work of them. Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) Came across an item on e-bay - a gatefold cover version of the Country Life LP. According to the seller, it's very rare (rare minimum bid as well $100) I've never seen this type of gatefold cover for Country Life, anyone know anything about this? Is it a UK release? Anyone seen it before? Is it an initial run (ala "Siren" aqua/yellow cover)? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1450404037 Just curious Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:29:23 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) It was released in France as a gatefold. I bought a mint-condition copy in a Paris record store for 8 UKP. I don't think they realised what they had. The Record Collector suggested price is 50 UKP. Not VERY rare, but unusual, and a nice piece. Now These Foolish Things as a gatefold IS rare...like 500 UKP rare... Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleks Kocan" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) > Came across an item on e-bay - a gatefold cover > version of the Country Life LP. > > According to the seller, it's very rare (rare minimum > bid as well $100) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:32:19 +0100 From: "Bryan S. Richards" Subject: [none] To all who replied to my lists, sincere apologies. Due to technical problems have been off line for the pasts two weeks. Please be patient, I will reply as soon as these new emails stop arriving (890 and counting at the moment). Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:54:23 +0100 From: "danilo zalambani" Subject: [AVALON] C'era una volta in America part 2 >Now These Foolish Things as a gatefold IS >rare...like . >500 UKP >rare... JEZZZZZES Harsh life for collectors then!!!! :)))) Well I'm just trying to enjoy the concert... I'll fly down Chicago today ....miss u all kids.... danitaly PS ( some nice records collectors shop near chicago or indianapolis by the way ? LOL) Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:56:03 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time Well said John O!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 06:56:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) - --- Chris Turner wrote: > It was released in France as a gatefold. I bought a > mint-condition copy in a > Paris record store for 8 UKP. I don't think they > realised what they had. The > Record Collector suggested price is 50 UKP. Not VERY > rare, but unusual, and > a nice piece. Now These Foolish Things as a gatefold > IS rare...like 500 UKP > rare... Thanks Chris, I didn't even know that there was a gatefold "These Foolish Things" - why the 500 UKP price tag? (do only say 10 copies exist or what?). And theres me thinking that "For Eli and Li" was mega-rare Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 15:26:44 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) These Foolish Things was never released as a gatefold. Only a handful of unreleased copies exist. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleks Kocan" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) > I didn't even know that there was a gatefold "These > Foolish Things" - why the 500 UKP price tag? (do only > say 10 copies exist or what?). ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:25:12 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A gay old time I think some of the folks here put an spin on our man Bryan that wasn't apparent in the original messages. Some emotional baggage no doubt. I was talking about why some folks might perceive that Bryan could be part of the Gay community. I never said bryan WAS a part of the community - but from some of the mail here, you'd think I'd called Bryan a leper. People, get a clue - there is nothing wrong with the Gay community. Bryan apparently doesn't think so either - Anthony Price and a number of folks in Bryan's circle seem to be a part of the gay community. That doesn't mean that Bryan is gay - but it does mean that Bryan is considerably more open minded about what other people do than some of the folks here are. Quite apparently, he isn't afraid to have gay friends. Gay is not an like a cold - you won't "catch it" if you are around people who are Gay. Homophobia is really out of place in a mail list with this much style and sensibility. If you are a fan of the man and his music you should follow his good example and not judge the folks around you. -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > thom.wallace > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 6:32 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time > > > > In a message dated 27/07/01 19:00:25 GMT Daylight Time, > davdmock@excite.com > > writes: > > > > I think we forget on this list sometimes that Bryan Ferry the > icon of the > > records we buy and the concerts we watch, is also a human being. > > > > We buy his CDs and have a right to dicuss the contents of that CD and we > pay > > to see him perform that music at shows. It is also our right to discuss > our > > opinions of what we paid to see. > > > > I would imagine some of the > > sh*t written on this list could be offensive and disturbing if read by > > certain members of his family. Give these people a bit of respect and > remeber > > Bryan is a human being and not just an artefact that is the face of the > music > > we love. > > Well put John. I get the feeling that there are some on this list who must > lead very empty and unimportant lives if this is the sort of crap > that they > feel the need to discuss. Personally I don't buy the gutter press so I do > find it offensive to have this sort of cheap nonsense mailed to me via the > mailing list. Get a life folks. > > Tom. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Heather James > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:27 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [AVALON] A gay old time > > > Well, after using Amanda Lear on the cover of For Your Pleasure, > (and we all know the rumours and stories about HER), and then the presence > of Jerry Hall in Bryan's life, who more than one wag has remarked has the > airs and presence of a Southern Drag queen, is it any wonder that such > questions have followed our man Bryan around. After all he has more culture and > style than most straight males you'd ever meet. With his early singing style and > sometimes awkward mannerisms, its just natural that folks might have thought he'd > be a part of the gay community ... > > Of course, those wild and tawdry 70s WERE a different time > > -= )-(eather =- > >--------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ > My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------< > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > David Southern > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:46 PM > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time > > > > > > Bryan has expressed in several interviews over the years his > > love of camp humour and stated that most of his best friends were gay. > > The only problem with this theory is that if you replace the women > > in his songs with men, the lyrics simply don't work anymore. > > A friend of mine in England once told me that Americans > > (and pretty much everyone else outside of the UK) needed to > > learn the difference between camp and gay. I told him that in the > > US at least they seemed pretty much interchangeable. He replied that > > all cats were NOT necessarily grey in the dark. Anyway- I think if > > Bryan was gay then somebody on this list would have heard about it by now. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:59:58 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] C'era una volta in America part 2 Oh, yes, Danilo, be prepared to part with your lire in Chicago's record stores. Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "danilo zalambani" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: [AVALON] C'era una volta in America part 2 > >Now These Foolish Things as a gatefold IS >rare...like . > >500 UKP > >rare... > > JEZZZZZES Harsh life for collectors then!!!! :)))) > Well I'm just trying to enjoy the concert... I'll fly down Chicago today ....miss u all kids.... > > danitaly > > PS > ( some nice records collectors shop near chicago or indianapolis by the way ? LOL) > > > > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:00:47 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) As long as we're collecting, anybody know if a gatefold of "Another Time, Anither Place" is worth anything? Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleks Kocan" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Country Life - Gatefold (2nd try) > --- Chris Turner wrote: > > It was released in France as a gatefold. I bought a > > mint-condition copy in a > > Paris record store for 8 UKP. I don't think they > > realised what they had. The > > Record Collector suggested price is 50 UKP. Not VERY > > rare, but unusual, and > > a nice piece. Now These Foolish Things as a gatefold > > IS rare...like 500 UKP > > rare... > > Thanks Chris, > > I didn't even know that there was a gatefold "These > Foolish Things" - why the 500 UKP price tag? (do only > say 10 copies exist or what?). > > And theres me thinking that "For Eli and Li" was > mega-rare > > Aleks > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:49:03 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time Roxy has always been percieved as a "gay-freindly" band. While I have never heard anything to suggest that any of them are/were gay, clearly they travelled in circles where it was not unusual for people to be Out. And in early seventies around the glitter being Gay or at least Bi was rather fashionable. Long ago some one explained it to me like this: "In the 50's, Rock was white people absorbing the aesthetic of black people; in the 70's it was straight people absorbing the aesthetic of gay people." Which is fine. Speaking for myself, as a straight man whose lifelong best freind is gay, I feel that I live in a community were sexual orientation is less important than height or eye colour or religeous belief. (Of course, as we approach 40, Weight is most important...) That Roxy Music was gay freindly back in the day speaks well of them. And if one or two members experimented on occassion... well, it is none of our business. Okay? Now for important stuff: Is it CPL 5938 or 593A or 593H? Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:14:29 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time It's 593H. On WXRT the other night, they kept saying "8." Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] A gay old time > Roxy has always been percieved as a "gay-freindly" band. While I have never > heard anything to suggest that any of them are/were gay, clearly they > travelled in circles where it was not unusual for people to be Out. And in > early seventies around the glitter being Gay or at least Bi was rather > fashionable. > Long ago some one explained it to me like this: "In the 50's, Rock was white > people absorbing the aesthetic of black people; in the 70's it was straight > people absorbing the aesthetic of gay people." > Which is fine. > Speaking for myself, as a straight man whose lifelong best freind is gay, I > feel that I live in a community were sexual orientation is less important > than height or eye colour or religeous belief. (Of course, as we approach 40, > Weight is most important...) > That Roxy Music was gay freindly back in the day speaks well of them. And if > one or two members experimented on occassion... well, it is none of our > business. > Okay? > Now for important stuff: > Is it CPL 5938 or 593A or 593H? > Andrew in Chicago > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:32:56 +0100 From: "danilo zalambani" Subject: [AVALON] C'era una volta il west HI Pete! How R u? Meet U soon guy.... can u give me ur phone number (PRIVATE E MAIL pyjamarama@angelfire.com ) and where are the damn'd records shops ? :)))))))) greeding for spending money danilo CIAOOOOOOO KIDS - -- On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:59:58 Peter Seely wrote: >Oh, yes, Danilo, be prepared to part with your lire in Chicago's record >stores. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #337 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest