From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #332 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 332 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Sylvian vs Ferry ["Eman 97" ] Re: [AVALON] Robert Palmer? ["Bryan O Connor" ] [AVALON] Sylvian/Davies/Black....off-topic [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Bruce and Bryan [OBrienFerry@aol.com] [AVALON] I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death... [Colleen Mat] [AVALON] ...but I believe I would only waste my breath [Colleen Matan ] RE; [AVALON] I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death... [vhastin] [AVALON] Rick Astley... ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: [AVALON] Bruce and Bryan ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: RE; [AVALON] I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death... [AM] [AVALON] kind hearted NY'ers (OFFTOPIC) ["ncjones.lewis2" ] [AVALON] one last time, 2 tickets for monday's chicago show for sale [Rya] Re: [AVALON] Milan ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Sylvian vs Ferry ["R. Jackson" Subject: [AVALON] Sylvian vs Ferry >>The last Japan albums on Virgin are great, as is their cover of "I second that emotion", but after Sylvian's first solo album the music stopped to move me. I think that Sylvian, in contrast with Ferry, threw away a promising career, and in the process alienated people including his brother. I read an interview with the remaining members of Japan some years ago that Sylvian's brother, who was in the group, did not speak to him anymore. I think all the Sylvian solo recordings, except the last (Dead Bees on a Cake) were worthy. I didn't like the Sylvian/Fripp collaboration. Fripps technique wanking edge just seems to be souless and with out purpose to often. DBOAC was patchy, some nice tracks, but nothing transcendent. As for Jansen not talking to Sylvian, that was somewhat short lived. They speak now, in fact I believe SJ is set to tour with David. Similarly the Karn/Sylvian rift was temporarily healed and Japan reformed as Rain Tree Crow. But, due to a new rift over whether to call the new recording a Japan, or "new name" record, they split again. Sylvian had to use his own cash to finish the "lp" etc., which further pissed off the former members...and they remained pissed for a few years, probably about the time of the interview they read (they toured Japan together - Jansen - Barbieri - Karn. Who really knows what the trip is with Sylvian. He is now deep in some sort of Hindu/Buddhist/Guru sect., has admitted he underwent therapy for years. This was/is a guy who was deeply unhappy with some aspect of his life, even with the pretty face and flashy smile. He said in an interview that "childhood was extremely difficult" but did not cite a situation, or family troubles. In fact I have seen picture of him with his parents outside a concert hall after a sound check in London, with Ingrid and the first baby. I think for Sylvian there is an aspect that he got involved with music, and pop music as a reaction, at a young age, and later realized it wasn't really something he wanted to do. He did not want the fame. But ironically, he did want the money and expensive clothing (Ferry influence?). A number of years ago there was a rumour on the Sylvian list, that he was going to walk away from music entirely. This was heavily debated, and the source was doubted. During interviews for DBOAC, Sylvian revealed that he very nearly retired from the music business....but that he was later told by his guru, that music was what he did, and that he needed to do more. And he eventually agreed (or needed the money) and went back to it, this DBOAC, Everything and Nothing, a tour very soon, and a instrumental compilation. Another similarity to Ferry, Sylvians deal with Virgin expired in the last year. So they are both without label support. (I suspect the reasons that Ferry and company are not doing more promotion are that if they did promotion, all the get is the paltry royalties, they are no longer getting support from the label for future recordings, so no real motivation. And, this tour is not financed by themselves, they are hired help almost, so they are free to do the gigs and enjoy the little time they have off with family and friends. And a few fans, I suppose.) I would be really curious how much the members were paid for this tour. Was it an even split? Was it a set fee up front? A hefty percentage? I'd bet it was a set fee. And they are doing this as a straight gig...for the cash. Which I think is fine. After all this has been their career and their job/s for so long, what else would a band do it for. Even bands that are artistic etc., are working for $. So regardless of whether the tour makes a lot of money for the promoter, I hope that the boys and girls of this touring edition of Roxy, at least get paid handsomely. If the whole enterprise makes money for the promoter, all the better, more of a chance for another tour in a year or two, and if we are really lucky, and if they have the creative juice in them, one more studio "LP." e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:05:20 +0100 From: "Bryan O Connor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Robert Palmer? very true that Palmer has suffered at the hands of the man, Mr Ferry. Ferry, very simply, has the look to carry off the suave sophisticated musician...even if he is wearing a pair of jeans. Palmer needs the suits 100% of the time. his career never took off until the clothes were worn and the power station gave him the exposure. But it must be said that the output that Palmer is famed for, that of the post addicted to love era, is not his best. His 70's output is nothing less than exceptional in so far as he recorded brilliant hairdresser music years before Bob Clearmountain got his hands on Dance Away. although calling Palmers music "Hairdresser music" is a bit of a p*iss take, it was a hell of alot more commercially focused than Roxy eventhough, in the western world bar the states, Roxy were much more successful. With producer Steve Smith, Palmers First three albums had an RnB sound that he ditched when he decided to produce himself and although career wise it proved the right thing to do, the latter 80's rock stuff never lives up to these early works. Even his first two self produced albums, Double Fun and Secrets, are top class. For me the Clues album is a worthy experiment with synth pop and it worked but those songs (Johnny and Mary etc) would have worked with any instruments...wonderful set but not his best. By the time 1983 came he was loosing his way...hitting his mid thirties without much success but I believe him when he says that the Top 20 never bothered him as he persevered for so long up to then. Yes the power station came along at the right time and the rest is history...two grammys etc. Since the record companies stopped spending money on him, Palmer has faded. And that's the difference between these two...Ferry is an icon, a gifted musician who along with various other musicians over the years in Roxy and by himself, pushed the boundaries out, made history...and that's why he is an influence on so many today. Mr Palmer is vocally superior it must be said, but musical talent is not all about vocals! loads of Palmer info on my site www.robertpalmer.net Palmers a class apart in his own right but not in the same stratosphere as Mr Ferry. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tmoq" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Robert Palmer? > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: avalon@smoe.org > Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:36 AM > Subject: [AVALON] Robert Palmer? > > > >>>> Daniel Atterbom 07/25 1:54 pm >>> > >> NP Robert Palmer. Mercy, Mercy Me, I Want You > > > >I'm surprised that no one has brought up Robert Palmer in all this > >Sylvian/Icehouse/Joe Bloggs debate. He used to be referred to as the "poor > man's >Bryan Ferry", > > "Sneaking Sally Through the Alley" is one of my top 10 favorite albums. My > poor LP is really worn though and the CD version has been out of print for > years. Too bad. > > Gene > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Sylvian/Davies/Black....off-topic - --- Rosalind Bull wrote: > "But I feel there are a couple of absolute must's > missing. > Firstly Black/Colin Vearncombe, > Completely agree...Black has a great voice. Rick Astley also has a great voice, unfortunately he's usually just seen as a sort of "teenie-pop" type artist, however, his last album had a Gospel feel, which suited him. Wonder what he's doing now - he suddenly dissapeared as well Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Aleks Kocan wrote: > > aleks50@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > The fact that Roxy are playing huge Arena's > > doesn't > > > help. > > > Jads2@AOL.COM wrote: > > In NYC Roxy played at the Madison Square Garden > > Theater which is a smaller > > venue than the Beacon Theater where ferry played > > last year. > > Bizarre...I assumed that Roxy were doing large venues > in the States > > In the UK, Ferry played small venues say 3,000-4,000 > capacity last year. > > Roxy are playing Arena's this year in the UK, which > vary from say maybe 8,000 - 18,000 capacity. It depends on where you are. Ferry played at a club which holds ~1000 to open the ATGB tour in Washington, DC, but at a much larger place last week with Roxy (maybe 5000 in the pavilion? or maybe as many as 7000?). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:34:31 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bruce and Bryan In a message dated 24/07/01 10:31:35 GMT Daylight Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: << Great pictures Bruce! But why does Ferry always pull that silly face? He looks like he's just had a mouthful of freshly squeezed lemon juice! >> My father used to say ...."why does he always look as if somone is nipping his a*se?" John O'Brien P.S. Avalon mails look weird through jetlagged eyes. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:45:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death... [part 1] [warning: if you can't bear to read a negative word about the band, delete these messages now.] As a preface, I have to admit that I have approached writing the reviews of the shows I saw in Washington and Boston with a great sense of trepidation because I am afraid that my initial skepticism about the reunion might cause folks to respond by saying "oh, she was negative about it from the beginning," and to then completely discount what I have to say. But the people I was with, especially prior to the first show I saw on Friday in Washington, can attest to the fact that I was really looking forward to it. In fact, I'd just arrived home the evening before that show from the best vacation I've ever had, so my usual annoyance level had been reduced by a factor of about 100. Plus I'd spent an extremely enjoyable afternoon prior to the show and I was sure I was going to have a great time. In fact, even though I knew that Roxy's entrance was still some time away, I just had to make my way down to the front to my seat shortly after Rufus Wainwright left the stage. The lights dimmed, the curtains parted, and although it appeared "technical difficulties" swallowed the party sounds, the band appeared blazing "Re-Make/Re-Model." We were off. Although at that point I was about 600 message behind in my inbox, I did know about the setlist changes and although I was disappointed to learn about them (I don't need to hear "Jealous Guy" again. Ever. No, really.), who really cared? Here were Andy, Phil, and Paul alongside Bryan and even if the brushstroke of being an American tarred me with the punishment of not hearing "Mother of Pearl" there were plenty of other songs to assuage that pain. Like "Virginia Plain," right? Except there wasn't. And that's basically that show summed up. There was no excitement on stage. And the worst of it was that Ferry was merely going through the motions. Normally you can't take your eyes off him while he's on stage. You all know that. But as much as I disliked the ATGB material, he was mesmerizing at the show I saw on that tour, and there was real emotion on that stage. Obviously it was going to be different with the others who would literally share his spotlight, but could Ferry not rise to that challenge? Except that night there were times you weren't compelled to watch him at all. But the worst part of his performance was all the mugging he did with the crowd at the end of the show in lieu of a real, heartfelt performance. There was one interlude, during "A Song For Europe," when I watched him through the binoculars and said to William "Now I remember why I like him." But that was really the only moment. The changed setlist is a disaster. "Avalon" is disconcertingly truncated without the vocalese at the end. The effect is to underscore the perfunctory nature of the show. "Street Life" now omits the "it's pointless passing through Harvard or Yale" verse (disappointing in Boston where the irony would have been welcome). "Dance Away," which can be absolutely transcendent and has electrified crowds in the past, was terrible. Dull. This is what we had to give "Mother of Pearl" up for? "Jealous Guy"--well you all know how I feel about that. "Virginia Plain" cut. And the pointless and irrelevant dancers. Ugh ugh UGH. They're not sexy or funny or ironic. However they are misguided and embarrassing. In fact, the Washington show tempted me to post this haiku Hold the cell phone up The band might as well use it The dancers must go but I held off in order to see what Boston might bring. [cont'd] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:45:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] ...but I believe I would only waste my breath [part 2] Boston was the chance for the band to redeem themselves, and although I was unimpressed with the show the previous night, the prospect of being in my sorely missed stomping grounds, some excellent company, and another gorgeous night to be outdoors, as well as the fact that I'd seen Ferry redeem himself on back-to-back nights previously, fed my hopes. And for a while my higher hopes were not misplaced. Ironically enough, although our seats for Boston were much further back than our Washington seats, they provided a better experience. Perhaps it was due to it being a second night, albeit non-consecutive, in the same venue, but it was immediately evident that the show was tighter and more focused. Ferry had more energy and emotion instead of merely mugging for the crowd (at least for a while). I began to relax. This was more like what I had been expecting. "Both Ends Burning" almost redeemed the inclusion of those sad chorus girls. And even if "Virginia Plain" was still MIA, at least "In Every Dreamhome A Heartache," turned up on the setlist so at least the net loss was evened up. But the lackluster section of Avalon/Dance Away/Jealous Guy killed the momentum. I know the US hits have to be played, but they were not the songs which garnered the most enthusiasm either night from the crowd. In fact, in Washington they appeared to be received politely. I do understand the difficulty of drawing up a setlist and that some songs would sound better than others after all of these years. And the full sound with all of those extraneous people on stage (whose presence I remain extremely ambivalent about, save Chris Spedding) did really show off the later era stuff to its best advantage. But it's the earlier stuff which still sounds fresh and exciting and had everyone up out of their seats. The setlist for the ATGB tour was many times more original and daring. And that's kind of a sad thing to say. However, it's not like it was all bad. Please don't misunderstand me. It was a thrill to hear "Out of The Blue" and "My Only Love." And even if it garners me the comment that I am "so American" from certain quarters, I loved the chance to hear "Oh Yeah," and twice was icing on the cake. Seeing Phil Manzanera was a great thrill (not meaning to slight the other band members). And I was singing along and out of my seat. I'm not at all sorry I went to 2 shows. But I found myself en route back to Washington on Monday without the sense of envy that I thought I'd have towards my weekend companions who were seeing a number of additional shows. Speaking of my companions, one of the best parts of the weekend had to be meeting up with various the Avalonians in attendance, whether it was seeing old friends again or putting faces to (screen)names. Walking out after the Boston show was especially great as you were greeted with a large number of list members from both sides of the Atlantic (and the Pacific, too). And the rest of the weekend on Cape Cod was pretty damn fine, too. Thanks to everyone who made it such a great time. Roxy--and later, Ferry--to me was about seduction and humor, irony and love, lust and loss. About obsession and indulgence. About possibility. And about real emotion. I know people change. I might have even myself over the years. But if Roxy has changed so much as to lose so many of those things, then I retain my original questions and reservations about the reunion. Watching the great videos the list has put together you see Ferry really poured himself into these things. Even "It's My Party" is on some level more satisfying in the end than his theatrical hamming it up with the crowd during the encores at the shows. I mean, that's how Mr. Fake, David Bowie, acts at his shows. There is tremendous energy and good will coming off the crowd--at least at the shows I saw--but it's as if the band (save Paul Thompson and his beautiful smile) can't see it as all. Or can't be bothered to see it. I could forgive all of this if the atmosphere on stage were less contrived, less perfunctory. If I didn't feel like it was merely killing time until the minimum time required to be on stage had been reached. A loose, spontaneous evening, with a lot of energy, even with its shambolic moments and missed notes might have been far preferable to to a pre-negotiated contractual agreement. And it pains me to write these things. But someone has got to say that the emperor has no clothes. Would that those on this list who do have ears (and who listen in) would actually hear. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:05:40 -0700 From: "Beverly Sobelman" Subject: [AVALON] 2 tickets for August 3rd Vancouver show I've ended up with two extra tickets for the Vancouver show, in section 107, Row 12, Seats 105-106. You can find the seating chart for GM Place here: http://www.ticketmaster.ca/cgi/venues_ca.idc?vaxname=VAN&venuenum=5. I'm not sure which arrangement they're using - I know other Roxy shows on this tour have used the half-arena setup (which would make these seats reasonably good). Asking $55US apiece, which is roughly what I paid for them. Me, I'll be in the 4th row...and it looks like I've got backstage passes coming as well. Woo-hoo! - -BevS, hoping Dream Home will still be in the set list... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:15:56 +0000 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. Is he a man More sinned against than sinning? No - he's more experimenting than being experimented against. So watch out, KB, the diamond lady well she's not talking (anymore) - and the experimental dentist knows why--- "Drill drill drill - dugga dugga dugga" (Wire) Mamouna! Christian - ---------- >Von: KB Porter >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. >Datum: Don, 26. Jul 2001 13:33 Uhr > >[Look Christian, for the last time, I'm not...........oh never mind! >Buzz Buzz >Neil.] > >Sure, sure, sure. Me thinks the 'experimental dentist' doth protest too >much! >Christian, I gone into hiding again - you know the drill! ;-) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:48:50 US/Eastern From: vhastings@cfl.rr.com Subject: RE; [AVALON] I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death... > The changed setlist is a disaster. "Avalon" is disconcertingly truncated > without the vocalese at the end. The effect is to underscore the > perfunctory nature of the show. "Street Life" now omits the "it's > pointless passing through Harvard or Yale" verse (disappointing in Boston > where the irony would have been welcome). "Dance Away," which can be > absolutely transcendent and has electrified crowds in the past, was > terrible. Dull. This is what we had to give "Mother of Pearl" up for? > "Jealous Guy"--well you all know how I feel about that. "Virginia Plain" > cut. And the pointless and irrelevant dancers. Ugh ugh UGH. They're not > sexy or funny or ironic. However they are misguided and embarrassing. Did Ferry botch "Street Life" in Boston as well? At least that's what I assumed happened. He sang all the verses in Camden. And in Columbia, when he skipped over the verse beginning "Back to nature, boys....", I could see him glance at his bandmates as if to say, "Ooops." And they seemed to catch the error and recover just fine. I thought the Camden show had much more energy than Columbia, and Columbia suffered from the added indignity of dropping "Virginia Plain" from the setlist. But at both shows, I felt that Avalon, Jealous Guy and Dance Away were show-killers. Not "stoppers," killers. I was enjoying the hell out of both shows up till that point. Shoot, I even enjoyed "Oh Yeah," which I hate but have never heard live. But I would have given another $80 to hear "Thrill of it All," "Dream Home" and "Mother of Pearl" in place of those three dogs. After watching the dancers I decided that I should have shaved my legs, donned a padded bra and auditioned for one of those spots. Only at that point could I make an argument for the inclusion of same in the show. In general, the first half of the show was far superior to the second half. And encores "LITD" and "Strand" were surprisingly full of life. But for me, the shows' highest point was the intro, when "South Dows" faded and the curtain pulled aside to reveal Roxy pounding away at "Re-make." I loved how Ferry started at the piano, then sauntered to center stage during the instrumental james. Pure cool. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:44:20 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Rick Astley... - ---------- >From: Aleks Kocan > Rick Astley also has a great voice, unfortunately he's > usually just seen as a sort of "teenie-pop" type > artist, however, his last album had a Gospel feel, > which suited him. Wonder what he's doing now - he > suddenly dissapeared as well Last I heard he was running a hair salon in Chelsea. He was a reluctant superstar and vanished of his own accord. I think it would hve been interesting to see how he developed after the SAW years. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:46:19 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bruce and Bryan Hmm, that's a point, I'll have to check where Bruce's hand is! ;-) SimonG - ---------- >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bruce and Bryan >Date: Thu, Jul 26, 2001, 9:34 pm > > In a message dated 24/07/01 10:31:35 GMT Daylight Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com > writes: > > << Great pictures Bruce! But why does Ferry always pull that silly face? He > looks like he's just had a mouthful of freshly squeezed lemon juice! >> > > > My father used to say > ...."why does he always look as if somone is nipping his a*se?" > > John O'Brien > > P.S. > Avalon mails look weird through jetlagged eyes. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:45:40 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: RE; [AVALON] I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death... Some of you folks are FAR too serious about a fun evening. The dancers were tacky - and they were supposed to be - just look at some of the previous album covers, eh? ... Be glad the dancers were not singing ... be VERY glad. I am convinced some of the "backup singers" in the past were there more for the visual effect than for their vocal skills - but you had to listen to them anyway ... ugh! At least the dancers were not miked. It was a hoot - we knew about it up front from all the discussion here, which took the element of surprise away, but it was ok ... not grand, not high art statement, but it was ok. We were spared a long winded Avalon with (from previous discussions here) a vocalist whose range just didn't suit that song. Sarah wasn't Yannick - but "American Audiences want the hits". So we got a medly of the first part of Avalon which segued into Dance Away ... I'm with Colleen - I've heard Jealous Guy more than enough times for my lifetime - I'd have traded the three of those for more early hits ... If there is Something ... Mother of Pearl ...The Thrill of it all ... Amazona - or even Impossible Guitar like during the Avalon Tours .... I'd have traded the late era sleepers for just one of those - but I wasn't asked. None of us were ... sigh. But thats not new - the American fans have never had any input into what happens on the tours - thats the "great handlers" realm. Some of folks were cynical and complaining before they ever got to the venue ... before they heard a note played - its hard to change your mind with that kind of a mindset up front. So Bryan fluffed a line ... so Andy squonked a few off key notes (hey, thats not new!) ... I mean - its a TOUR - you want it perfect, you stay home and play yer CDs. It sure sounds to me like a lot of folks DID enjoy the show. -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:08:20 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Astley... On 26 Jul 2001, at 23:44, SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: > I think it would have been interesting to see how he developed after > the SAW years. I think he would have become a hairdresser. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:28:03 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: RE; [AVALON] I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death... In a message dated 7/26/01 6:07:25 PM, hjames@thewebgal.com writes: << It sure sounds to me like a lot of folks DID enjoy the show. >> I certainly did! And Avalon seemed to be cut short by technical difficulty. I was right behind the sound and lightboards, and the last half of that song was a time of panic..... Although the US hits are not what I wanted, I did find the show very energetic. And I know everybody hates "Jealous Guy"...I usually like it, but was very disappointed by the uptempo treatment it recieved. Andrew in Chicago (Four days 'til they're here!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:47:32 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: [AVALON] kind hearted NY'ers (OFFTOPIC) *** Off topic request*** Hello there, Just a quick plea to any kind hearted New Yorkers from a rather disgruntled Welsh dad. Last April on a visit (to get married BTW) to your fair city my good lady wife & I purchased an official Yankees strip for our 15-month year old son (yes, a rather pathetic attempt to soothe our consciences, we left our son-and-heir at home with the grandparents! - what bad parents eh?) Today, while enjoying a spell of good weather, we decided to take a family day out at a local beach. While running at top speed towards the sea with Fraser (my young'un) on my shoulders, giggling like a buffoon, I failed to notice his Yankees baseball cap come off his head until literally half a minute later. Unlike someone else who promptly whipped it before I could turn around. (I actually have a good idea who it was, the young "lady" in question was walking towards me at the time, and acted well suss when I politely asked her if she noticed his hat on the sand when she passed me - a sort of "I know that you know that I know" conversation, I think it may look quite fetching on her sons head.) Anyway, I spent the next hour looking along the beach to make sure I was not going mad. I would not have minded if it was my hat, but to steal the hat from a 15-month-old boy is a shitty thing to do..the big wheel will turn I suppose! To cut to the chase, if any kind hearted NY members on this list could get hold of an Official NY cap (with Yankees stitched on the back) and get it back to us in time for a family photo appointment in a couple of weeks I would be incredibly grateful, all expenses etc returned obviously. I know I could get one online or even locally, but the place of purchase has quite a sentimental attachment (if that makes any sense.) It was bought in a sports retailers on Times Square, opp. McDonalds, next door to Roxy's (see, there is a link!!!) If you are up to the task please mail me off list ect at. ncjones.lewis2@ntlworld.com Thanks for your time and patience Best Regards Neil Jones n.p. The Good Samaritan J ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:51:11 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Astley... > ---------- > >From: Aleks Kocan > > Rick Astley also has a great voice, unfortunately he's > > usually just seen as a sort of "teenie-pop" type > > artist, however, his last album had a Gospel feel, > > which suited him. Wonder what he's doing now - he > > suddenly dissapeared as well > > Last I heard he was running a hair salon in Chelsea. He was a reluctant > superstar and vanished of his own accord. I think it would hve been > interesting to see how he developed after the SAW years. > > SimonG > > Apparently he just opted out of the limelight at his (or certainly towards his) commercial peak, much to his managements amazement. Quite cool that. Made one more album later on then fineto! Neil ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:53:52 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Astley... He certianly had one of the better quiffs in pop history. Neil - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Squires To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Astley... > On 26 Jul 2001, at 23:44, SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: > > > I think it would have been interesting to see how he developed after > > the SAW years. > > I think he would have become a hairdresser. > > David > > > -- > David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:55:29 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. You are beginning to seriously frighten me!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: C. H. Soetemann To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. > Is he a man > More sinned against than sinning? > > No - he's more experimenting than being experimented against. > So watch out, KB, the diamond lady well she's not talking (anymore) - and > the experimental dentist knows why--- > > "Drill drill drill - dugga dugga dugga" (Wire) > > Mamouna! > > Christian > > > ---------- > >Von: KB Porter > >An: avalon@smoe.org > >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. > >Datum: Don, 26. Jul 2001 13:33 Uhr > > > > >[Look Christian, for the last time, I'm not...........oh never mind! > >Buzz Buzz > >Neil.] > > > >Sure, sure, sure. Me thinks the 'experimental dentist' doth protest too > >much! > >Christian, I gone into hiding again - you know the drill! ;-) > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:00:45 -0500 From: Ryan Mullen Subject: [AVALON] one last time, 2 tickets for monday's chicago show for sale I posted earlier about having two decent Chicago tickets I need to sell. However, I surprisingly got no responses. So one more time I will post about them, lol. The tickets are for Section 201 Row D Seats 26-27. They each cost $45 and came to be $110 after all of the surcharges (thanks Ticketmaster!!), but will take just $90 for the tickets (it being so close to the concert and all). If anyone is interested please let me know asap so I can send them out right away (which way would be fastest?). Thanks ryan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:39:00 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Milan Hi Mark, If your Italian is OK, you can order online here: http://www.ticketweb.it/evento.cfm?id=3139 You need to register as a member. Regards Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Heptinstall" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: [AVALON] Milan > Have any of the Italian list members had any success in obtaining tickets > for the Filaforum concert on 24 September? If so, could you please post > details to the list. > > The ticket agency mentioned on Filaforum's website has not even heard of the > concert and the link on Phil Manzanera's website seems to be to a directory > of record/ticket shops. > > Regards to all. > > Mark > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:43:28 -0700 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sylvian vs Ferry Oh goodness. I can't believe my eyes. I thought Sylvian would have made the perfect vocalist for King Crimson. I loved the Sylvian/Fripp album, but the songwriting was frequently a little less challenging than what I'm used to from KC albums. I'd really love to have heard Sylvian's vocals on a full-blown King Crimson album. FWIW, I'd love to hear Bryan and Fripp together. I think they're both capable of (vastly different types of) bittersweet emoting. - -Rob At 12:53 PM 07/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I didn't like the Sylvian/Fripp collaboration. Fripps technique wanking >edge just seems to be souless and with out purpose to often. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #332 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest