From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #330 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Sylvian/Davies [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Munich ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Munich ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] Re: [AVALON] Icehouse ["dark.images" ] [AVALON] Ferry interview in Record Collector ["sjaak" ] [AVALON] Re: Dancing ["Linda Epstein" ] Re: [AVALON] Dancing [Jads2@aol.com] [AVALON] Davies/Sylvian/Ferry thread ["Eman 97" ] Re: [AVALON] AVALON Re: More UK Concerts [LeeSullivn@aol.com] [AVALON] New Roxy Album? ["Eman 97" ] Re: [AVALON] Dancing [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. ["ncjones.lewis2" ] [AVALON] hi from Barcelona, HIGH ROAD ["Joan" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #326 [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] this post may be edited by cjem@his.com [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Dancing [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Dancing [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Davies/Sylvian/Ferry thread [Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Sylvian/Davies - --- Rickmond Wong wrote: >David Sylvian has matured into a > true musical visionary and remains to this day FAR > too underappreciated. (Insert shameless plug for all > his solo albums right about now.) Iva Davies, on the > other hand, is I think, just starting to come into > his own as a respected artist. I always thought of Icehouse as purely a "pop" band. To me Japan/Sylvian had more about them - it was more a complete product, not just the music but style and fashion sense. I didn't own any Sylvian solo material until recently. I acquired "Everything and Nothing", which I really rate (even down to the artistic packaging)... Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:23:09 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Munich having just returned from munich too - all i can say is amen, stephen! only thing i see different is that i don't think the show was too short actually; it was so packed and dense, fantastic. one particular highlight for me was FYP: after almost 30 years, this song still sounds pretty radical and new, doesn't it? and yes, the coolest exit was definitely andy's... looking forward to vienna now... enjoy this show, avalonians of this world! sebastian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Pepperrell To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Munich > Have just returned home after a 1600 KM car trip and > approx, 2 hours sleep inbetween. Was it worth it ? > A definite yes. > > Roxy Music took the Olympic Hall by storm last night. > About 6,000 fans were present - the hall was'nt quite > sold out - but still an excellent attendance. > > RM were in top form. BF showing no signs of voice > strain. He wore: first the back suit, then the white > smoking and finally a silver, glittering suit. > > AM was in top gear from start to finish. Impeccable. > PM - stunning. > > The backgound musicians were the real support though. > CS excelled especially on "My Only Love" - backgound > vocals to his solo was'nt the best of ideas. > > The Munich audience were surprised in the strength and > power of the performance. RM played confidently and > convictingly throughout. Even "Jealous Guy" was > played with great enthusiasm. > > Set list: Same 95 minute, 18 songs show as at Wembley - > they kept "In Every..." instead of playing "Avalon". > Both IFIS and MTS were deleted from the programme as well. > > The only disappointment was perhaps the length of the show. > And if Bryan Ferry has troubles with his throat again, it > will probably be due to the feathers on stage ! > > The crowd were surprised - I believe that most people > were expecting "Avalon" and "Flesh and Blood" to be played > completely. At the end during "For Your Pleasure" there > was an absolute silence in the crowd - I'm not sure if > anyone there (most people anyway) knew this song. > > The crowd cheered in particular: "My Only Love", "Oh Yeah" > "Jealous Guy", "Song for Europe", and were great in their > support for RM. RM seemed to enjoy themselves, especially > Lucy. Her dancing alone was a highlight - fantastically > sexy - if I may say so. > > AM's exit was "coolness - pure". > > A stunning performance from a stunning group of musicians. > It makes you wonder where they were or where they "went wrong" > the last 18 years. > > I'm checking my agenda - I have to see this concert again > somewhere. > > Thanks for listening, Stephen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:28:28 EDT From: CSOlive123@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] AVALON Re: More UK Concerts Hi everyone, just heard on the radio, more UK Roxy concerts to be announced very soon!! Watch this space and credit cards at the ready!!! Collette ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:19:45 +0100 From: stevesiren2 Subject: [AVALON] Dancing In a typical English way I can see all sides of the argument, Myself, I like to get up & dance during some numbers, & sit down during others (you have to feel it) But if the person in front of me wants to stand & dance to Jealous Guy , I don't mind,even if they block my view. It's a bit like going to watch an operation & complaining about all the blood! Steve np Damned,Damned,Damned (It's the later stuff thats crap) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:43:38 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Munich it wasn't me who took so long to get home - it was my mail.... 30 days after.... the feelings stay the same... sebastian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sebastian Fasthuber To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Munich > having just returned from munich too - > all i can say is amen, stephen! > > only thing i see different is that > i don't think the show was too short actually; > it was so packed and dense, fantastic. one > particular highlight for me was FYP: > after almost 30 years, this song still sounds > pretty radical and new, doesn't it? > and yes, the coolest exit was definitely andy's... > > looking forward to vienna now... > > enjoy this show, avalonians of this world! > > sebastian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Pepperrell > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:29 AM > Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Munich > > > > Have just returned home after a 1600 KM car trip and > > approx, 2 hours sleep inbetween. Was it worth it ? > > A definite yes. > > > > Roxy Music took the Olympic Hall by storm last night. > > About 6,000 fans were present - the hall was'nt quite > > sold out - but still an excellent attendance. > > > > RM were in top form. BF showing no signs of voice > > strain. He wore: first the back suit, then the white > > smoking and finally a silver, glittering suit. > > > > AM was in top gear from start to finish. Impeccable. > > PM - stunning. > > > > The backgound musicians were the real support though. > > CS excelled especially on "My Only Love" - backgound > > vocals to his solo was'nt the best of ideas. > > > > The Munich audience were surprised in the strength and > > power of the performance. RM played confidently and > > convictingly throughout. Even "Jealous Guy" was > > played with great enthusiasm. > > > > Set list: Same 95 minute, 18 songs show as at Wembley - > > they kept "In Every..." instead of playing "Avalon". > > Both IFIS and MTS were deleted from the programme as well. > > > > The only disappointment was perhaps the length of the show. > > And if Bryan Ferry has troubles with his throat again, it > > will probably be due to the feathers on stage ! > > > > The crowd were surprised - I believe that most people > > were expecting "Avalon" and "Flesh and Blood" to be played > > completely. At the end during "For Your Pleasure" there > > was an absolute silence in the crowd - I'm not sure if > > anyone there (most people anyway) knew this song. > > > > The crowd cheered in particular: "My Only Love", "Oh Yeah" > > "Jealous Guy", "Song for Europe", and were great in their > > support for RM. RM seemed to enjoy themselves, especially > > Lucy. Her dancing alone was a highlight - fantastically > > sexy - if I may say so. > > > > AM's exit was "coolness - pure". > > > > A stunning performance from a stunning group of musicians. > > It makes you wonder where they were or where they "went wrong" > > the last 18 years. > > > > I'm checking my agenda - I have to see this concert again > > somewhere. > > > > Thanks for listening, Stephen > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:29:27 -0400 From: "Strimples" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bittersweet boot I also have this if no one has replied. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: [AVALON] Bittersweet boot > Does anybody on the list know where I can get a copy of the boot "Bittersweet" ? It was recorded in Boston 1974. > > Thanks in advance > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ___ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:33:46 +0100 From: "dark.images" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Icehouse I agree with Chris & Jim,Icehouse's first album"ICEHOUSE" is one of my all time favourite albums,if you get the chance to listen to just one track make sure it's the brilliant, haunting title track "Icehouse" or if your feeling flushed I recommend you treat yourself to the first 2 album's "ICEHOUSE" & "PRIMITIVE MAN" ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Turner To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: [AVALON] Icehouse > I forgot to add. Although Icehouse have become even less productive than > Bryan recently, (I did spot Iva Davies at the Sydney Olympics though) they > have been recording their first album in eight years, in London, and > tentatively titled 'bi-polar poems,' although full release is in a state of > limbo, as you will see on the site. Some tracks are being made available in > mp3. > > Go to www.icehouse-iva.com > > to hear previews of the tracks use: > > User name: lazarus > Password: rise > > Chris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:42:04 +0200 From: "sjaak" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry interview in Record Collector On the Record Collector web-side I saw, that the August issue will contain an interview with BF. Yust to let you know. Sjaak ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:39:42 -0500 From: "Jeff Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Return of Mother? Hey, that is good news! Of course, they seem to vary the set almost from night to night, so I'm not holding my breath for any one song. But I am starting to get excited, and all my questions about this Roxy tour will be answered in just 5 days! Jeff Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:39:58 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The ever-shrinking setlist But Jeff, they added Mother of Pearl! Both New York shows were stupendous! It will be worth the drive, you can be sure of that! Eileen in Kew Gardens _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:08:41 -0400 From: "Linda Epstein" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Dancing Oh Bravo! bravo! Linda > From: KRNCHSE@aol.com > Give me a *#%#+*! break. Roxy Music are one of the most exciting bands to > have ever emerged.Different music I realise conjures up different emotions in > different people.What i don't get is how your geriatric ass can be glued to > the seat when a band that hasn't performed together for eighteen some years > come out on stage with a storming Re-Make Re-Model and apart from the > requisite clap/cheers at the end of each song ,get (To me) seemingly very > little back from the audience until they hear Jealous Guy?If these senior > citizens are up there giving it there all(?)do we now just sit back and > take,take,take all night ?I know New York is a tough town to crack,but the > reception Ferry got at the Beacon last time around seemed far more generous > than this show(imo)?Having had this rant,I must add that nearly everyone else > I have spoken to disagrees with me?What a wonderful thing,this freedom of > speech............. > > regards, > > DM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:11:49 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing In a message dated 7/25/2001 11:45:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KRNCHSE@AOL.COM writes: > Ferry got at the Beacon last time around seemed far more generous > than this show Which brings me to an opinion that is probably blasphemous on this list, certainly heretical. So calm down when you read this...as an event, a piece of history, a slice in time, a continuation of each of our roxy memories, the shows last night and monday were all that I had hoped for (as I said, except for the assholes standing during Avalon and Jealous Guy-ok-I'm talking about those 2 songs-not Re-Make/Re-Model, not The Strand-nothing else-those 2 songs JG and Avalo-got it for all those who can't read what they think is going to be a conflicting opinion without getting all puffy and indignant) So keeping in mind all those things that Roxy accomplished with this reunion tour, in retrospect and after the high adrenaline expectations of the show, the unbelievability of it actually happening, and all the praise on this site, I have to say that I feel Ferry's As Time Goes By tour last year was a better show. (I am an old school roxy fan from 1972-I travelled the world to see them when I was a teenage and early 20's (I couldn't do that now)-I know the difference between early and later roxy-ferry solo eras etc etc. I am not a johnny come lately US Avalon fan). ATGB, for me, was a better show. I have already talked to a few people who agreed (but were scared to admit it). OK-tie me at the stake now and set the fires john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:13:50 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] Davies/Sylvian/Ferry thread >>Regarding David Sylvian and Iva Davies... Icehouse, by their own admission, started out as a cover band, covering Bowie, Roxy, T-Rex etc. Japan/Sylvian atleast started out with originals (except for that god awful Michael Jackson tribute/cover of "Don't Rain on My Parade." On Sylvian's first two records with Japan, his voice sounds not unlike early Billy Idol. Gruff and snarly. Even more hilarious, is the Japan demo tapes, if you can get ahold of them, where he sings such hilarious fey Bowie-swish originals as "Diamonds, Make You Feel Like A Woman" and others. At this point, he couldn't sing, and would growl whenever he couldn't hit a note...a fairly common lounge singer/rookie technique. To be fair, when Japan signed their first deal they were like....15/16 years old. They truly grew up in public. On Quiet Life, they were as equally influenced by Moroder as Roxy/Ferry. But Japan/Sylvian absorbed their influences better than most. And they had a dedication to becoming top musicians. They kept practicing and learning, almost as if addicted. And became something unique in their own right. The Brit-music press went from hating them, castigating them, to a total turn around. They were vindicated. The only other band to have a turn around this big was the Tourists/Eurythmics, on they weren't as hated and became a true pop band on the world stage. Sylvian, at the height of his/their success decided he did not want to be a pop star, that he wanted to Eno and Fripp and Bill Nelson instead. Again, I think the greatest distinction, is that Ferry burries his voice in the mix, he's insecure about his voice, unsure much of the time. Sylvian damns the torpedos and mixes it up, let's it all hang out. Ferry seemed to do this in the early Roxy stage, to run with the odd uniqueness of his voice, as a feature, not an apology.... And I think he treats his voice with too much insecurity and apology from Manifesto on. That is why it was great to see the work he did to strengthen it on his last solo tour. But, the Sylvian's voice became an instrument unto itself. The NME referred to it as "the Voice." He has a limited range, but he was able to shift an octave on Rain Tree Crow at one point (if I am remembering my quotes right). I think the last Sylvian solo record/CD was the weakest, but still some nice tracks. Interesting to note that Sylvian is on tour soon as well. (The proposed US dates were recently cancelled, tho specifics were never annouced.) / _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:02:07 EDT From: LeeSullivn@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON Re: More UK Concerts In a message dated 7/25/01 10:43:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, CSOlive123@aol.com writes: > Hi everyone, > > just heard on the radio, more UK Roxy concerts to be announced very soon!! > > Watch this space and credit cards at the ready!!! > > Collette > > > Which radio where, please? Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: www.LeeSullivan.co.uk and definitely http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho won't help either . . . ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:26:52 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] New Roxy Album? I can't see it happening. The lyric machine would have to be real prolific to crank out a solo CD and then put together enough material, at the quality level he and they would all demand of a Roxy project. I think the odds are way against it... And unless it was a real splash, I think they wouldn't risk the let down or the damage. But... If they did something dynamic, creative, risky.... It might be worthy it. Do they have the juice at this point tho? It is one thing to get behind your old material, another to live in the studio a few months with all those past vibes.... e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 Jads2@aol.com wrote: > ATGB, for me, was a better show. I have already talked to a few > people who agreed (but were scared to admit it). I'm not scared to admit it--it's in the review I am working on for the Washington and Boston shows that I haven't yet finished. And I detest the _ATGB_ album. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:28:29 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. - ----- Original Message ----- From: C. H. Soetemann To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear. it's probably to do with musical knowledge. If > somebody came up to me and maintain the Sex Pistols had been more > experimental than Roxy, I'd send him to KBP's "experimental dentist" Neil > Jones (who happens to be on this list: hi Neil, get those drills out!) to > have a few teeth removed and... OK, OK, I'll stop it. > > Christian Look Christian, for the last time, I'm not...........oh never mind! Buzz Buzz Neil. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:35:01 +0200 From: "Joan" Subject: [AVALON] hi from Barcelona, HIGH ROAD > Perhaps what he means is that you have to be simple minded to have a Dire > Straits collection ...? have I to laugh? You don't know what you miss, that's for sure ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #326 On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Grant Goggans wrote: > Besides, your question seems inappropriate. I couldn't care less > whether a channel, any channel, wants a product, any product, and find > that an irrelevant concern. It's like asking whether "The Price is > Right" wants Turtle Wax or Rice-a-Roni when all that matters (from the > perspective of the people supporting the San Francisco Treat) is > making sure Rice-a-Roni is advertised on as many outlets as possible. I think you've misunderstood what I'm asking. "Why would VH-1 want Roxy?" is indeed entirely appropriate. What sort of ratings is it going to bring? How many advertisers? What relevance does Roxy have to the VH-1 demographic? In other words, why would VH-1 want Roxy? Besides Turtle Wax or Rice-A-Roni pay to be on "The Price Is Right," so it's apples and oranges. > SFX wants the shows to sell out and the guys (presumably) want > royalties from sale of the Best Of CD, therefore they find outlets to > sell it. Sure, it's very likely VH-1's people may have said "I'm > sorry, you aren't popular enough," but if you have a job to do, do it > right. How do you know the Roxy management team didn't ask? > You're overlooking the compilation. Just because it's a cheap way to > make money doesn't mean it shouldn't be pushed a little bit harder to > make more money. I don't think it's even charted in America. But > wouldn't another gold record look nice in Bryan's den, and I bet it'd > keep his kids in Eton another year. There are what? 194872 Roxy/Ferry compilations out there? This market is already too glutted. > Yes, and I admit I'm a dog crying selfishly out for bones, but Bry > supposedly has a new album coming out next year, and I imagine he > wants that to sell. Here's a great opportunity to begin the "good > vibes" with American radio, TV and all the rest of the commerical > tools since he'll be doing it next year anyway. When the new single > comes out, I'd rather the music directors say "Yeah, that guy from > that band with the huge summer tour last year with all the press" and > not "Yeah, some old Ainglish guy." Except I've been on this list for eons--since just after the Mamouna tour--and that fabled originals album that we bandied about on the list then that Dave Stewart was working on hasn't yet come out. And it's probably not going to. Already it's down to half working with Eno and half covers. And what of the stuff he did with Glenn Tillbrook? What about all the material we were told about that he did with Colin Good after the ATGB tour that was going to come out earlier this year? Where is all of that? How will it be played out? The sad thing is that it probably won't be. And Ferry's presence (or non-presence) on this tour does not bode well for his being willing to do leg work for his next solo album. The thing is, contrary to what y'all might be thinking, I absolutely and completely adore Mr. Ferry and his work and of course I want him to be successful. But the truth of the matter is that he is 55 years old. He is "quaint" as one of the New York reviews said. And he's never going to be Madonna. Or Sting. And thank God for that. I think it's terribly unfair to lay reasonable expectations on him like "His next album is going to be a huge hit if he goes out and does all the legwork now." And then if it doesn't it's all his fault (especially as he can't get a deal to release any of his original material). > Bob Woffinden, in _The Beatles Apart_, makes an interesting argument > about how the solo Beatles hurt their 1970s career by remaining so > aloof and distant from not just radio, but their own labels, > contrasting them with Mick Jagger. He tells an anecdote about how, > when the Stones signed to a new US label in the early 70s, Jagger went > to the company's New York offices and spent all day speaking to every > single person in the building he could find, down to the lowest-paid > copy boy or intern. He believed that when everyone in the company > knows how accessible and friendly and helluvaguy you are, they'll make > more of an effort to push your product. The same goes for radio and > TV. Yes, but Ferry had a decent enough career after Roxy, and can you actually imagine him now, not in 1970 but in 2001 going around desk to desk at the record company? Can you imagine Jagger doing it now? Of course not. Apples and oranges again (as is the comparison between the Beatles and the Stones when they were at very different stages of their careers). > Now admittedly, Bry's stuck on Virgin Records America, which is the > single worst label in the USA for promotion. Nevertheless, the other > media outlets are out there, and what an artist has to do if they want > their product to reach consumers is sell it, constantly, and that's > precisely what they didn't do. Again, the transactions re: the tour and the band and SFX have already been completed. And the possible sales from the compilation aren't enough to justify the costs of a huge publicity push--perhaps if it were the first one in a long time, but at this point, what is the point? > Maybe our desires are different, but Bry has stated many times that he's > been frustrated by his lack of US success. I'd like him to have it. Sure, I would too. And maybe 15 or 20 years ago it would have been feasible. But it's not going to happen now--just because he admits to the frustration doesn't mean he necessarily intends to do anything about it--and I don't think those impossible-to-meet expectations should be laid upon him because I don't think that shows him any respect. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] this post may be edited by cjem@his.com On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Colleen Matan wrote: > unfair to lay reasonable expectations on him like "His next album is going > to be a huge hit if he goes out and does all the legwork now." And then But she meant to write: > unfair to lay _un_reasonable expectations on him like "His next album is > going to be a huge hit if he goes out and does all the legwork now." Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:09:09 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC?? - Otis, Marvin and The Temptations ... Heather, I would also recommend the Smokey Robinson & The Miracles Anthology. Judy Simon Galloway: > How about "what Bryan listened to in 1967"... I'd go for Otis Blue, Marvin's What's Going On and the mid-90s best of (and seek out Trouble Man if you can find it), and The Temptations Anthology (2 cds). The Temptations from 1967 - 1971 were truly great. Heather James > Well, consider how much Bryan has been influenced by the likes of > Otis Redding, The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, etc - how about some tips on > must-have CDs by those artists for the Roxy/Ferry fan? Where to start and > what discs to to get for an extended collection? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:23:28 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. jimbo wrote: > If roxy would record a cover album . . . > Any other suggestions. I've Been Loving You Too Long - Otis Redding Judy (the scandal of South Garland High School for wearing mourning black for a week when Otis Redding died.) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing - --- Jads2@aol.com wrote: > ATGB, for me, was a better show. I have already > talked to a few people who > agreed (but were scared to admit it). > The fact that Roxy are playing huge Arena's doesn't help. I was hoping that thy'd play smaller venues.For me, the whole idea of seeing a band live is to have that intimate musical experience. Personally, the tour that I enjoyed least (musically) was ATGB, however, it was the tour that I enjoyed most from an intimacy point of view, as I'd managed to get tickets close to the stage. It also depends on the venue, I've heard that in the UK, the Glasgow crowd provides a great reception. Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:04:19 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing At 11.05 -0400 1-07-25, Colleen Matan wrote: >I am going to be good. >I am going to be good. >I am going to be good. Colleen proves the power of praying, or in this case a mantra, works. I saw a Danish documentary about dancing for dinner last night. Kinda regards not taking up as toddler. NP Tim Finn In Love With It All Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:15:43 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Davies/Sylvian/Ferry thread At 13.13 -0700 1-07-25, Eman 97 wrote: >Sylvian, at the height of his/their success decided he did not want to be a >pop star, that he wanted to Eno and Fripp and Bill Nelson instead. The last Japan albums on Virgin are great, as is their cover of "I second that emotion", but after Sylvian's first solo album the music stopped to move me. I think that Sylvian, in contrast with Ferry, threw away a promising career, and in the process alienated people including his brother. I read an interview with the remaining members of Japan some years ago that Sylvian's brother, who was in the group, did not speak to him anymore. It is intresting to note that Japan broke up because Sylvian and Mick Karn were rivals over the same woman. NP Tim Finn Funny Way Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:25:53 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reviews of NY shows At 17.00 +0000 1-07-25, M. Taylor wrote: >From the NY Post: >http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/35841.htm By DAN AQUILANTE "If this was Roxy Music after an 18-year hiatus, the band in its prime must have been exceptional." A pretty good review I would say. NP Tim Finn In Your Sway Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #330 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest