From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #328 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 328 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Godd article... ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Ferry/Sylvian/Davies [Rickmond Wong ] Re: [AVALON] Reasons to be grateful (part one) [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] hi from Barcelona, HIGH ROAD [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC?? - Otis, Marvin and The Temptations ... ["Simon G] Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC?? - Otis, Marvin and The Temptations ... [Daniel A] [AVALON] Roxy cover album. ["jimbo" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Sylvian/Davies ["jimbo" ] [AVALON] Re: Bootlegs/Tapes [George Robertson ] Re: [AVALON] Uh-oh! [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] New solo album info [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Icehouse ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] New solo album info ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Dancing ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Dancing [Jads2@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies [LeeSullivn@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] As The World Turns [Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Godd article... Possibly, but it wasn't my intention... SimonG >>> "Tracy Connell" 07/24 8:55 pm >>> Is there some 'divine intervention' involved here? Tracy >From: "Simon Galloway" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Godd article... >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:45:06 +0100 > >..from The Indepedent, 16 June, written by Barny Hoskins. It was probably >posted at the time, but I've only just read it... > >http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=78329 > >Dwells a bit on the Ferry/Eno dynamic with some interesting comments. > >SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Rickmond Wong Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Sylvian/Davies Regarding David Sylvian and Iva Davies, I think the comparisons to BF are a bit overblown. Okay, at least in Sylvian's case. Davies was a bit more shameless about it back in the day, managing to sound like both Ferry and Bowie, sometimes in the same song. But regardless, just because they all sing in a similar, "smooth and crooning" style really doesn't mean anything. Back in the '80s, everyone was influenced by Roxy. Since then, David Sylvian has matured into a true musical visionary and remains to this day FAR too underappreciated. (Insert shameless plug for all his solo albums right about now.) Iva Davies, on the other hand, is I think, just starting to come into his own as a respected artist. As much as I dug Icehouse, they've always been something of a guilty pleasure anyway, pure cheese. Overall, I think it's a case of BF singing in a "smoother" style that I wish more rock vocalists should attempt. Instead, everybody Stateside tries to sound like Billy Joe from Green Day, while all the Britpoppers increasingly ape Thom Yorke. FOUR vocalists most pleasing to my ears: Bryan Ferry, David Sylvian, Iva Davies, and (anybody with me on this one?) Marian Gold from Alphaville. Rickmond ===== "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:54:49 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reasons to be grateful (part one) At 21.45 +0100 1-07-24, stevesiren2 wrote: >10 musical reasons why this Brit is grateful to the USA among them >Tamla Motown I am very glad you did not add Grateful Dead, but I would like to add Bob Dylan. I like the Eagles and Steeley Dan too, but I admit they are not in the same league. NP The Temptations, The Way You Do the Things You Do Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:57:52 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is anyone really sure that Roxy is in America? At 19.45 -0400 1-07-24, Colleen Matan wrote: >Now you're all in trouble: I have some time to go through my inbox. Good to have you back, you old around-the-time-the-dinosaurs-began-dying-off you (could this have been before Bill Clinton was elected president that Boston radio played Ferry?). NP The Temptations My Girl Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:01 +0100 From: Rosalind Bull Subject: RE: [AVALON] hi from Barcelona, HIGH ROAD "You talk about my Simple Minds collection... what I have is Dire Straits, not Simple Minds!!! Joan" Perhaps what he means is that you have to be simple minded to have a Dire Straits collection ...? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:06:35 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is anyone really sure that Roxy is in America? At 20.02 -0400 1-07-24, Colleen Matan wrote: > But I'm also a realist. It's like asking why >they're not on _Antiques Roadshow_. Except, uh, nevermind. They would be great! The Antiques Roadshow is my realistic wife's favorite TV show. I thought I disliked it, but the Swedish version is great. >This is a nice tour, not requiring too much exertion, which pays well, >after which everyone will go their separate ways. We might have a livealbum, but no new studio album. Since Ferry has trouble writing and finishing new songs, why should we use them for Roxy Music? The only intresting possibility would be if Brian Eno got to produce Roxy Music. NP The Temptations Don't Look Back (which The Proclaimers covered) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:32:23 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Daily Mail Harrison:'Not Dying' Beatle 'Disgusted' By Reports "The original 'story' wa conjured up by the National Enquirer, the Globe and the Daily Mail." it says. I never believe a word that is written in the Daily Mail - Michael Foot once called it "The Forgers Gazette". I don`t think Mr Harrison is a very "happy chappie" and quite rightly so. Nigel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:26:05 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] hi from Barcelona, HIGH ROAD At 10.07 +0100 1-07-25, Rosalind Bull wrote: >Perhaps what he means is that you have to be simple minded to have a Dire >Straits collection ...? Not at all. My wife loves both bands. She was a diehard Simple Minds-fan as a teenager in the 80's and is jealous that I've met Jim Kerr. My wife plays Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms while driving. She also likes Bryan Ferry's voice enough to consider coming with me to see them. Now being older she's into a lot of bands, apart the Swedish ones she likes U2 and Madonna. Tastes in music are different for different people at different times. I did not like Marvin Gaye when he was alive. Now he's the artist I own the most CD's of. NP The Temptations, I Wish It Would Rain, one of America's masterpieces ever Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:48:51 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC?? - Otis, Marvin and The Temptations ... In a recent message, Daniel spoke these words: > Tastes in music are different for different people at different times. I > did not like Marvin Gaye when he was alive. Now he's the artist I own the > most CD's of. > > NP The Temptations, I Wish It Would Rain, one of America's masterpieces > NP The Temptations Don't Look Back (which The Proclaimers covered) Well, consider how much Bryan has been influenced by the likes of Otis Redding, The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, etc - how about some tips on must-have CDs by those artists for the Roxy/Ferry fan? Where to start and what discs to to get for an extended collection? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:03:44 +0000 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies Sylvian is a creative artist and in spite of the Ferry influence his voice is distinctive enough to stand on its own, though it's certainly stylized. I seem to remember that the vocal style changed after the first couple of Japan albums. In a Scott Walker biography, I once read first-rate pedal steel guitarist BJ Cole comment on the differences between Scott Walker and David Sylvian: "Scott is less affected than David who is reclusive because it's sort of fashion stance." I have a similar problem with Sylvian: sometimes I'm not sure whether Sylvian over-emphasizes the artist's image a bit. It could appear slightly pseud. But he has done great music, and that's what most important. Christian (who, back in the mid-80s mistook "Hey Little Girl" for Roxy, yes, but then I was probably 9 years old) - ---------- >Von: "Eman 97" >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: [AVALON] IVA Davies >Datum: Die, 24. Jul 2001 21:42 Uhr > >Hilarious that Iva Davies would diss Japan, and then go and record the most >perfect Ferry rip-off of all time (Hey Little Girl) and even more so, go and >enlist Sylvians brother and other members of Japan to record one of his >Icehouse LP's....Not to mention that he enlisted Eno as well. > >Gary Numan? Why is he a shit? He or his music, that is? Every inside word >I ever heard was that he was actually a nice, normal, genuine, >person....until he got fucked over a number of times. > >I am not a Numan fan. But his success was certainly something. > >As for Sylvian ripping off Ferry, there was definitely a resemblance. But I >was listening to Japan, laughing along, to the first two LP's. > >When asked in an interview about the similarities, Sylvian said something >like "what am I going to do, that is my voice." > >Some phrasing may have been the same, but I find his voice totally >different. > >I don't think Ferry could do "Ghosts" for instance. > >And Sylvian couldn't do "love me, leave me, do what you will..." > >Iva Davies was the biggest Ferry rip ever tho, "Hey Little Girl," people >actually thought that was a Ferry number when they first heard it. > >With Japan and Sylvian, you would have thought it was an imitator at best. > >Ahh, those were the days. > >Today, Sylvian sounds totally different to me. > >Ferry mixes/ed his voice deep in the music. > >Sylvian mixed his up in the music. > >Sylvian made his voice a feature....Ferry often tried to blend his. I think >Ferry was often insecure about his voice/range. > >Sylvian seemed to damn the torpedos and mix his voice up, warts and all. > > >e > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:08:04 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC?? - Otis, Marvin and The Temptations ... How about "what Bryan listened to in 1967"... I'd go for Otis Blue, Marvin's What's Going On and the mid-90s best of (and seek out Trouble Man if you can find it), and The Temptations Anthology (2 cds). The Temptations from 1967 - 1971 were truly great. SimonG >>> "Heather James" 07/25 10:48 am >>> Well, consider how much Bryan has been influenced by the likes of Otis Redding, The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, etc - how about some tips on must-have CDs by those artists for the Roxy/Ferry fan? Where to start and what discs to to get for an extended collection? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:14:52 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies >>> "C. H. Soetemann" 07/25 1:03 pm >>> > Christian > > (who, back in the mid-80s mistook "Hey Little Girl" for Roxy, yes, but then > I was probably 9 years old) I was 9 and did the same too! I was also convinced that song on the early 80s (UK) TV commercial for Scotties tissues was sung by Ferry "Woops! Scotties!" in a swooping Ferry-esque voice. Am I alone on this one? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:28:10 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC?? - Otis, Marvin and The Temptations ... Heather James asked: > In a recent message, Daniel spoke these words: >> Tastes in music are different for different people at different times. I >> did not like Marvin Gaye when he was alive. Now he's the artist I own the >> most CD's of. >> >> NP The Temptations, I Wish It Would Rain, one of America's masterpieces >> NP The Temptations Don't Look Back (which The Proclaimers covered) > > Well, consider how much Bryan has been influenced by the likes of >Otis Redding, The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, etc - how about some tips on >must-have CDs by those artists for the Roxy/Ferry fan? Where to start and >what discs to to get for an extended collection? I am not as much a fan of Otis Redding as Bryan Ferry is, but I like Motown. Motown in the 60's being more of a singles label then an album label, I would recomend the following: "Very Best of the 60's" is a starting point. If you want to get splashy, buy the two Hitsville CD boxes of four CD's each. Most of "Ultimate Collection of " are worthwhile. There you'll find Marvelettes, Smokey Robinson and Miracles, Supremes, Four Tops, Temptations, Jackson 5, Martha Reeves and The Vandellas, Mary Wells as well as Gladys Knight and The Pips. There is a Isley Brothers' "Greatest Motown Hits". For Stevie Wonder, check out "Song Review". But double CD "Songs in the Key of Life" is his masterpiece. That one and Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" (see below) are the two best Motown albums imho. As for Marvin Gaye, Being a journalist, I wrote and article about him in Swedish two years ago. Here is a select discography with highlights (I've edited out most the comments). That Stubborn Kinda' Fellow (1963). Highlights: "Stubborn Kinda' Fellow", "Pride and Joy" and "Wherever I Lay My Hat (That's My Home)". How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You (1965). Highlights: "How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You" and "Can I Get A Witness". I Heard It Through The Grapevine (1969). Highlights: "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" and "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever". Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell Greatest Hits (1970). Highlights: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough", "Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing", "If This World Were Mine" and "If I Could Build My Whole World Around You". What's Going On (1971). Highlights: The whole album, "What's Going On", "Save The Children", "Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)" and "Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler)" are classics and I like "God Is Love". But buy the 30th anniversary edition with the bonus live disc! Trouble Man (1972). Highlights: "Trouble Man" and the often sampled "T Plays It Cool". Let's Get It On (1973). Highlights: "Let's Get It On", "Please Stay (Once You Go Away)", "If I Should Die Tonight" and "Just To Keep You Satisfied". Diana & Marvin (1973). Duets with Diana Ross. Highlights: "You Are Every-thing" and "My Mistake (Was To Love You)". Live (1974). CD with bouns tracks is almost nine minutes longer, adding "Flyin' High (In The Friendly Sky)/Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)" and "Keep Gettin' It On". Highlights: "Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler), "Distant Lover", "Keep Gettin' It On" and "Can I Get A Witness". I Want You (1976). Highlight: "I Want You". Here My Dear (1978). Highlights: "Anger" and "When Did I Stop Loving You, When Did You Stop Loving Me?". In Our Lifetime (1981). Highlights: no, not really. Midnight Love (1982). Highlights: "Midnight Lady", "Sexual Healing" and "Joy". Love Starved Heart - Rare and Unreleased (1994). Highlights: "This Love Starved Heart of Mine (It's Killing Me)" and "Lucky Lucky Me". The Best of (1995). 47 of Marvins best songs on a double CD. Highlight: the USA no 1 "Got To Give It Up". The Master 1961-1984 (1995). Four CD-box with all the hits, some new songs and notes by Gayes biographer David Ritz. This is all the weekender needs. Highlights among the unreleased: "Checking Out", "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" (med Gladys Knight) and "The Star Spangled Banner". Vulnerable (1997). Postdeath release of the ballads Marvin wanted to release to be a black Frank Sinatra. Highlights: "Why Did I Choose You", "She Needs Me" and "The Shadow Of Your Smile". I hope that this is enough. :-) NP The Temptations, Ain't Too Proud To Beg Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:23:26 +0200 From: "jimbo" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. If roxy would record a cover album,here is a song that's definitive has to be on it. Mr Jones - Counting Crows. I think it could be fantastic when roxy is performing this song. Any other suggestions. Jim. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:33:46 +0200 From: "jimbo" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Sylvian/Davies please listen to the 1st album of icehouse it's from 1981 and iva wasn't influenced so much by bryan i think give it a listen its really great jim. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rickmond Wong To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Sylvian/Davies > Regarding David Sylvian and Iva Davies, I think the > comparisons to BF are a bit overblown. Okay, at least > in Sylvian's case. Davies was a bit more shameless > about it back in the day, managing to sound like both > Ferry and Bowie, sometimes in the same song. But > regardless, just because they all sing in a similar, > "smooth and crooning" style really doesn't mean > anything. Back in the '80s, everyone was influenced > by Roxy. Since then, David Sylvian has matured into a > true musical visionary and remains to this day FAR too > underappreciated. (Insert shameless plug for all his > solo albums right about now.) Iva Davies, on the > other hand, is I think, just starting to come into his > own as a respected artist. As much as I dug Icehouse, > they've always been something of a guilty pleasure > anyway, pure cheese. Overall, I think it's a case of > BF singing in a "smoother" style that I wish more rock > vocalists should attempt. Instead, everybody > Stateside tries to sound like Billy Joe from Green > Day, while all the Britpoppers increasingly ape Thom > Yorke. FOUR vocalists most pleasing to my ears: Bryan > Ferry, David Sylvian, Iva Davies, and (anybody with me > on this one?) Marian Gold from Alphaville. > > Rickmond > > ===== > "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:43:02 +0100 From: George Robertson Subject: [AVALON] Re: Bootlegs/Tapes Dear All, Some people have been kind enough to send me a list of their boots etc, and have requested I send them a list of my material. Rather than send a list to all interested parties, I am in the process of preparing a web page, which can be found at; http://www.ed.ac.uk/~gar/music/ As I stopped collection around 1984, the listings contain material which most of you probably have? Perhaps likeminded people can put their collection on the web? Cheers George fae Edinburgh ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Uh-oh! On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Gina wrote: > Well, I know the fellow pictured with Ms. 100th club. It's non-other > than John the Scotsman! > > --who joined us, ticketless, I might add, at the bar in Columbia, MD. > It had a happy ending--someone showed up at the bar with an extra > ticket, and John was in luck. I expect many of you will be running > into John (or already have) as he seems to be following Roxy around. Given the amount of travel that'd been undertaken in the previous 24 hours, it didn't feel as if we'd just showed up, but it was a happy coincidence to run into Mr. O'Brien. And here I was thinking it seemed he was following me around that weekend. A fuller account of the shows I attended will follow in the next day or so, but since I'm here, let me say how much fun it was to meet everyone in Washington and Boston. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] New solo album info On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, ncjones.lewis2 wrote: > years) solo work. The teaser being that... > > " After the tour ends, Ferry will go back to work on a new solo rock > album, with half the songs except one written by Ferry, and the other > half covers. The exception, incidentally, is by Brian Eno." > > I don't know how to feel about this, while chuffed that the new album > is still on the agenda, I am slightly disappointed that half is > another bout of covers (2 out of the last three albums were such.) > And as for the Eno contribution...I hope it's a world apart from the > appalling Wildcat Days, which was, for me, a great let down. I think it's A Very Bad Sign, for many reasons, that the much touted new originals album is now veering towards covers. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:26:59 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies I would commend Icehouse to any Roxy fan who enjoys the later material. Primitive Man (I think it was called Love In Motion in some places) is the best late-Roxy pastiche ever, with Hey Little Girl, Great Southern Land and especially the fragile and plaintive Trojan Blue real standout tracks. Iva really lays the copycat voice on thick though, especially on Mysterious Thing. This album, with Lexicon of Love by ABC, and Assemblage compilation by Japan help me through that 'difficult' post-Roxy, pre Boys and Girls period. You know?...when there used to be two years between releases instead of two decades....at this time, these guys were doing Roxy better than Roxy were themselves. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Galloway" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies > >>> "C. H. Soetemann" 07/25 1:03 pm >>> > > Christian > > > > (who, back in the mid-80s mistook "Hey Little Girl" for Roxy, yes, but then > > I was probably 9 years old) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:43:50 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Icehouse I forgot to add. Although Icehouse have become even less productive than Bryan recently, (I did spot Iva Davies at the Sydney Olympics though) they have been recording their first album in eight years, in London, and tentatively titled 'bi-polar poems,' although full release is in a state of limbo, as you will see on the site. Some tracks are being made available in mp3. Go to www.icehouse-iva.com to hear previews of the tracks use: User name: lazarus Password: rise Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:45:08 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New solo album info - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New solo album info > On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, ncjones.lewis2 wrote: > > > > " After the tour ends, Ferry will go back to work on a new solo rock > > album, with half the songs except one written by Ferry, and the other > > half covers. The exception, incidentally, is by Brian Eno." > > > > And as for the Eno contribution...I hope it's a world apart from the > > appalling Wildcat Days, which was, for me, a great let down. > > I think it's A Very Bad Sign, for many reasons, that the much touted new > originals album is now veering towards covers. I've never liked Wildcat Days, it was trully the weekest track on Mamouna. Having said that if the track that is to appear on BF's next album is the one that I've heard then I don't think many folk will be disappointed. Sadly I don't recall the tracks name, but it is an interesting mix of both Ferry and Eno style wise. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:02:07 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Atterbom To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is anyone really sure that Roxy is in America? > We might have a livealbum, but no new studio album. Since Ferry has trouble > writing and finishing new songs, why should we use them for Roxy Music? > > The only intresting possibility would be if Brian Eno got to produce Roxy > Music. Personally I don't think Roxy need Eno to produce a good album. The problem with his involvment for me is the way that the press would make out that if the album were a success that it was because of Eno. No doubt if the album were not commercially successful then the same people would blame Ferry. If Roxy were to consider doing a new studio album it would be handicapped by the weight of expectation from two totally different markets, the real Roxy fans and the people who only ever bothered with Avalon and perhaps Flesh & Blood. I can't imagine what is going on as to the working relationships between Ferry, Mamzanera and Mackay, but I would think that the risk they would be taking in putting a new album together may well be the deciding factor. Nobody would love to see a new album more than I, but with it would come a lot of baggage that I feel will make it an unlikely prospect, let's all hope that I'm wrong on this one. Tom ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:58:15 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Dancing "-and i don't buy "...it's rock and roll and i gots to dance..." It's Jealous Guy and Avalon for God's sake. Your lucky enough to get great seats-why ruin it for everyone behind you. There should be a section set aside for just this type of idiot" Quite agree......Why should people be forced to stand (if they want to see the band) just because some people think that they are twenty something again and wish to dance right in front of them. Also, these (dancing) people should understand that considering the average age of fans, there is a good chance that a high percentage of them are suffering from rheumatism, arthritis, lumbago, sciatica, calcium defficiency, back ache, brittle bones and the like, and find it difficult to stand at the best of times.............. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:54:04 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy album or no Roxy album. At 13.02 +0100 1-07-25, thom.wallace wrote: >Personally I don't think Roxy need Eno to produce a good album. The problem >with his involvment for me is the way that the press would make out that if >the album were a success that it was because of Eno. No doubt if the album >were not commercially successful then the same people would blame Ferry. Intresting point. Eno has had commercial success with U2 and Bowie, but not as much with James. The jury is out on this one, imho. >If Roxy were to consider doing a new studio album it would be handicapped by >the weight of expectation from two totally different markets, the real Roxy >fans and the people who only ever bothered with Avalon and perhaps Flesh & >Blood. I can't imagine what is going on as to the working relationships >between Ferry, Mamzanera and Mackay, but I would think that the risk they >would be taking in putting a new album together may well be the deciding >factor. I hope that they might come up with a new phase, Roxy mk III. >Nobody would love to see a new album more than I, but with it would come a >lot of baggage that I feel will make it an unlikely prospect, let's all hope >that I'm wrong on this one. I guess that time will be the judge on this one. A new Ferry or a new Roxy album does not matter much to me. What I would like is a new Manzanera album like 801 Live... :-) NP Robert Palmer. Mercy, Mercy Me, I Want You Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:04:30 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Re: [Avalon] Simple Minds Covers Album Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:25:17 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Simple Minds Covers Album No, It was written by Billy Idol's mentor and producer Keith Forsey and offered to Bryan Ferry around the time of the recording of Boys and Girls. Ferry rejected it, feeling that it didn't fit with the other material >>Thanks Chris, also I think Bryan said he was just Too Busy working on Boys and Girls. He was very determined to disprove doubters that he could make an artful and commercially viable album. I think he succeeded. Hindsight is always 20-20. Running out of time. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:22:41 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Robert Palmer? >>> Daniel Atterbom 07/25 1:54 pm >>> > NP Robert Palmer. Mercy, Mercy Me, I Want You I'm surprised that no one has brought up Robert Palmer in all this Sylvian/Icehouse/Joe Bloggs debate. He used to be referred to as the "poor man's Bryan Ferry", but this was mainly due to his smart image. I actually dug out the Riptide album the other day but gave up after a couple of tracks! Addicted To Love has been rather overplyed over the years. I do still like the Clues album though - Johnny And Mary, Looking For Clues and his version of The Beatles' Not A Second Time are all great tracks. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:29:42 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing Get back in your box Grandad - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Hollis To: avalon digest Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: [AVALON] Dancing > "-and i don't buy "...it's rock and roll and i gots > to dance..." > It's Jealous Guy and Avalon for God's sake. Your lucky enough to get great > seats-why ruin it for everyone behind you. There should be a section set > aside for just this type of idiot" > > Quite agree......Why should people be forced to stand (if they want to see the > band) just because some people think that they are twenty something again and > wish to dance right in front of them. Also, these (dancing) people should > understand that considering the average age of fans, there is a good chance > that a high percentage of them are suffering from rheumatism, arthritis, > lumbago, sciatica, calcium defficiency, back ache, brittle bones and the like, > and find it difficult to stand at the best of times.............. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:35:27 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. Roxy Music are NOT a Covers band, look at the three civers they have done. They are not even very original versions of the songs , just lazy MOR stuff. I would rather they did a covers album of Bryan Ferry songs fromhis solo albums than a set of VU & bowie covers! - ----- Original Message ----- From: jimbo To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: [AVALON] Roxy cover album. > If roxy would record a cover album,here is a song that's definitive has to be > on it. > > Mr Jones - Counting Crows. > I think it could be fantastic when roxy is performing this song. > Any other suggestions. > > Jim. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:02:44 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing Nigel wrote: "... considering the average age of fans, there is a good chance that a high percentage of them are suffering from rheumatism, arthritis, lumbago, sciatica, calcium defficiency, back ache, brittle bones and the like, and find it difficult to stand at the best of times..." Gee, Thanks Nigel. Now I feel REALLY bad!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:01:10 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dancing In a message dated 7/25/2001 9:44:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com writes: > Get back in your box Grandad > Fuck you. "....nurse!!! where's my medication!!!...!!!!!" john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:00:23 EDT From: LeeSullivn@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] IVA Davies In a message dated 7/25/01 11:23:46 AM GMT Daylight Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: > TV commercial for Scotties tissues was sung by Ferry "Woops! Scotties!" in a > swooping Ferry-esque voice. > > Am I alone on this one? > > You mean it wasn't?!?! Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: www.LeeSullivan.co.uk and definitely http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho won't help either . . . ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:06:13 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] As The World Turns At 12:55 AM 7/25/2001 -0400, Chandla911@aol.com wrote: >Chris wrote: >>Statements like this don't help: >>'Negotiations are on-going about more dates in Europe and elsewhere >>(although the 'elsewhere' won't be of interest to anyone in the UK, Europe >>or North America - or Australia and Japan for that matter).' >>Given the new UK dates, this is either ill-informed or disingenuous. > >Do I need to remind anyone that the UK is IN Europe, so the above statement >is neither ill-informed nor disingenuous... Since the UK and Europe (whether you consider them separate or a unit), North America, Australia, and Asia just got eliminated from the "elsewhere," that pretty much leaves, what, South America and Antarctica? Buenos Aires and Queen Maud Land, oh my! we are flying down to Rio, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #328 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest