From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #315 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 06 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] alt.music.bootlegs heads-up ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes [Miles Go] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] roxy and dali [Heather Buch ] [AVALON] Philadelphia Help ! [Bruce MacQueen ] Re: [AVALON] South Downs on tour [OBrienFerry@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes [Jads] [AVALON] Best of in the USA ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] concert lengths [Julie Long ] Re: [AVALON] The Price of Music? [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes [Will] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] alt.music.bootlegs heads-up ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes [Jads] Re: [AVALON] Best of in the USA ["Alan Carl" ] [AVALON] Cryptic Scenery's website ["James James" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins/Springsteen [Aleks Kocan ] [AVALON] and the hits keep coming .................... [Heather James ] [AVALON] New solo album info ["ncjones.lewis2" ] Re: [AVALON] Is anyone really sure that Roxy is in America? ["Victor Hast] [AVALON] Penthouse interview Dont look Niki !!! ["dark.images" Subject: [AVALON] alt.music.bootlegs heads-up Two separate people are posting on this newsgroup who videoed Roxy live in Toronto Monday night. Don't suppose we have any video traders on the list who could strike up a deal with them...? Grant Goggans comments welcome http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:41:34 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] South Downs on tour So, did anyone pay particular attention to which "version" of South Downs was being used? I reckon the backwards box set version, as I played the original b-side version the other day and it sounded completely different. It's obviously a serious issue worthy of some hot debate and investigation. ;-) SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:06:00 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes I myself chastised the early setlist grousers. Now I've become one. But keep in mind my actual comments, to wit: >It looks to me like Bryan & co. have put together a balanced set that gives >a lot of pleasure to both the casual fan and the completist, and is >constructed with a deep understanding of Roxy's importance and history. and >I'm all for changing the setlists around, as long as "Mother of Pearl" and >"Song for Europe" stay in through Atlanta. :-) So guess what's happened? Removing "Mother of Pearl" in favor of "Dance Away" upsets the delicate balance between crowd-pleasers and transcendence. "Mother of Pearl" is the keystone of the Roxy/Ferry catalog. As I've said on list many times, no other musical artist I can think of has ever distilled their raison d'etre more eloquently than Ferry does on "Mother of Pearl." Including it in the reunion setlist communicated to me that Roxy knows exactly what they're about. Of course I'm not selling my Atlanta tickets, and I'll still be happy to see Roxy Music. I don't hate "Dance Away," as I'm not a rabid 1-5'er. But my anticipation has diminished by more than half with the news that "Mother of Pearl" has been dropped. "Crestfallen" is probably the best word for how I feel right now. The European setlist, with or without "Dream Home," was almost a Scene from My Dreams. But "Mother of Pearl" was a necessary component of that dream. I would have paid $100 to see them do "Mother of Pearl" and nothing else. Sigh. In other matters: As usual, some of the other grousing on Avalon makes me wonder if the list's membership hails from an alternate dimension. Ninety minutes is, in my experience, an average length for a rock show headliner. And my experience is vast, hundreds of shows since I turned 18. Marathon shows a la Springsteen, P-Funk, and Guided by Voices are by far the exception. My guess is that the combination of high ticket prices and years of anticipation have people expecting more, but 90 minutes of well-done Roxy x 50 evenings seems like a better proposition than two hours of uneven Roxy and some cancelled/postponed dates when Ferry's voice collapses. Especially if I had tickets to one of the latter events. :-) Amen to what Peter Dewey said about Springsteen, who is about as far from a "hack" as you can possibly get. I can see where his style might not please Avalonians, particularly those far off the "prog" end of the spectrum, but I can assure you that there's no "hack" work or filler in his three-hour shows. In fact, after seeing six shows on the 1999-2000 Springsteen tour, I'm convinced that the show is really only about an hour, because it's always over way too soon! (On the other hand, really bad bands, especially really bad openers that you can't walk out on because you're there to see the headliner, are even more powerful, because they can make time nearly stand still. I've seen 40-minute opening sets that seemed longer than SHOAH.) Thanks to Alan Carl for his prompt review of the Boston show. His report of audience indifference and the guy saying "hey do you know if they are going to play any of their hits?" does leave me scratching my head. By my count, Roxy/Ferry have had exactly two U.S. hits, "Love Is the Drug" and "Dance Away." I might add "Avalon" to that absurdly short list because of its exposure via MTV and the sort of ex post facto cachet that some songs accumulate. Of course, all three songs in the current setlist configuration. Just what are these people expecting to hear? It ain't like Roxy ever dominated the U.S. charts and seeped into the popular consciousness here, ya know. The Bloody Tapes arrived Friday -- many thanks to Reecey for his good humor and diligent efforts on behalf of us all! We have been in the middle of an exceptionally busy stretch and haven't had time to watch them, but I bet we'll get to this weekend! later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:02:31 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:44:25 +0100 >From: "thom.wallace" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? >You might think that Springsteen is something special, that is your right. >In turn I think he is nothing more than an over hyped hack, as is my right. Man, I do not give a flying rat's ass what you think of Springsteen. My point holds; you are perfectly capable of making a point about the length of a Roxy Music show without going off on a tangent and calling completely unrelated artists "hacks." >I would rekon that my ticket for Glasgow cost me in thre region of $50 US. Around 36 pounds (sorry, no sterling sign on my keyboard)? Congrats, you've nailed the precise reason Americans have a right to complain. We're paying more money -- Atlanta's one of the least expensive US dates -- for less music. There is absolutely no reason why the concerts cannot be discussed in commercial terms. The band has reformed and are providing a commercial service. Having bought a ticket, I expect a performance of reasonable length. $68.50 is a fair price for 90 minutes in today's market, and I personally have not complained yet. (beyond a thing which I would call "grumbling" and you "bleating" that we are paying more money for less product) However, I do note that Crosby, Stills & Nash are playing the same venue soon for the same price, and Stevie Nicks for $90. I will be willing to wager that each act will perform for a minimum of two hours. If Roxy was playing any less than 90 minutes, I would have major complaints. This >may well account for higher US ticket prices, not forgetting that this is a >UK based act touring a continent that didn't exactly go wild for them in >the >past. Actually, I believe the ticket prices are set by the promoter in conjunction with the venue and really don't reflect an artist's sales popularity, but the standard market price for concerts by major label artists at such venues these days. (C,S&N's last radio hit was what?) American popularity, or the lack thereof, and what the band isn't doing about it, is probably worth devoting separate time to. What I am not seeing in the media does not please me. Grant Goggans comments welcome http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:07:48 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy and dali Great photo Shelly. For a second there I thought Phil was Dali. Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, S Clarke (mercury3@ozemail.com.au) wrote: > I don't know if this particular photo has hit the list before but it's > probably worth a revisit. > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0102/03/entertainment/entertain3.html > > Shelley > > > ________________________________________________________________ ___________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:13:36 -0400 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] Philadelphia Help ! What are the chances that you can get from the Tweeter Center back to 30th Street Station by 11:50 following the Roxy concert Thursday night? Dare I buy a return train ticket? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:52:55 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] South Downs on tour In a message dated 18/07/01 16:06:52 GMT Daylight Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: << So, did anyone pay particular attention to which "version" of South Downs was being used? I reckon the backwards box set version, as I played the original b-side version the other day and it sounded completely different. >> It was the backwards version, or maybe the speakers were just upside down John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:57:45 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes In a message dated 7/18/01 11:10:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: << I would have paid $100 to see them do "Mother of Pearl" and nothing else. >> Easy there-let's not get carried away ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:35:44 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Best of in the USA Does anyone know which US label has released The Best of Roxy Music? It's not Virgin America, is it? - --G. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:37:56 -0700 From: Julie Long Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths I saw Warren Zevon walk onstage, sit at down at the piano, fall off the bench, and that was it. I think he was escorted off. His face was really red (not through embarrassment, I think through alcohol). Julie S Clarke wrote: > I once saw Nico walk onto the stage, start an argument with a guy down the > front of the audience and then leave in a huff, never to return. > > My guesstimate of time on stage? About five minutes. > > I don't think she was very 'well'. > > Shelley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grant Goggans" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:48 AM > Subject: [AVALON] concert lengths > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: Aleks Kocan > > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] First north american show > > > > > >- --- Rod LeCloux wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > U.S. audience will be very disapointed with a 90 > > > > minute show. > > > > > >All things being equal the average length for a > > >concert would be approx 90 to 120 mins. > > > > > >I've seen Mark Knopfler/Terence Trent D'Arby play 2.5 > > >to 3 hour sets, and Morrisey play 60 minutes. > > > > Pah. I saw The Jesus and Mary Chain play for less than 10 minutes in > 1988. > > By the time we figured they weren't coming back out, they were halfway to > > Raleigh... > > > > --G. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:55:07 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Price of Music? At 08:23 AM 7/18/01 -0400, Heather James wrote: > For a relative grin ... I found some of my old concert ticket stubbs, > scanned them, and put them online last weekend. Go to > http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/index.html and scroll down. > I think the priciest from those early days was the during the Avalon > Tour - $12.50 ... Ah yes, a fine long tradition of Americans being soaked. :-) Avalon Tour, Germany -- DM24,00 (about US$9.00 at the time). -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:50:24 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes At 11:57 AM 7/18/01 -0400, Jads2@aol.com wrote: > << I would have paid $100 to see them do "Mother of > Pearl" and nothing else. >> > > Easy there-let's not get carried away What carried away? I'm completely with Miles on this. No offense to anybody with whom I am meeting up (parents included), but I have, in essence, already dropped several times that per show to catch this weekend's east coast dates just for this number. I could easily have made do with the 3 full sets out here in California... getting the other 17 songs a couple more times would merely have been gravy. Unfortunately, it seems they may now be the meat. I'm sure I'm not alone in stating I'd be ecstatic to pay more than twice the money for half the current stage time, if I could name the set. -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:07:40 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? > Man, I do not give a flying rat's ass what you think of Springsteen. My > point holds; you are perfectly capable of making a point about the length of > a Roxy Music show without going off on a tangent and calling completely > unrelated artists "hacks." I never really expected that you did, but then it was not I who originally brought Springsten into the frame in the first place. As someone brought his shows up in comparison to Roxy then I feel justified in expressing my view . You seem to have some very strong feelings on the Springsteen side of things and that is your right, but don't expect me to "give a flying rat's ass what you think of Springsteen" either. > Around 36 pounds (sorry, no sterling sign on my keyboard)? Congrats, you've > nailed the precise reason Americans have a right to complain. We're paying > more money -- Atlanta's one of the least expensive US dates -- for less > music. If the shows are costing more to stage then this will obviously be expressed in the cost of the ticket. If you can't accept that then that really is not my problem. > However, I do note that Crosby, Stills & Nash are playing the same > venue soon for the same price, and Stevie Nicks for $90. I will be willing > to wager that each act will perform for a minimum of two hours. If Roxy was > playing any less than 90 minutes, I would have major complaints. I don't really see where you can tie what length of set either of these acts perform to whatever length of set Roxy does. Perhaps you should consider who is going off in a tangent on this one. If you feel you are being ripped off then don't go to the show it's as simple as that. Enjoy the show or don't that's up to you. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:11:33 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] alt.music.bootlegs heads-up - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: [AVALON] alt.music.bootlegs heads-up > Two separate people are posting on this newsgroup who videoed Roxy live in > Toronto Monday night. > > Don't suppose we have any video traders on the list who could strike up a > deal with them...? That depends on what they are looking for in return. I'm interested, but only on a fair trade to both sides. If you want to tell them to conntact me off list that's fine and if you don't well that's no problem. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:21:48 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths - ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Long To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths > I saw Warren Zevon walk onstage, sit at down at the piano, fall off the bench, > and that was it. I think he was escorted off. His face was really red (not > through embarrassment, I think through alcohol). Either that or he had an encounter with the "Werewolves of London" Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:21:31 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] setlist, length, hack schmack, hits?, and bloody tapes In a message dated 7/18/01 1:04:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sommers@SFO.COM writes: << I have, in essence, already dropped several times that per show to catch this weekend's east coast dates just for this number. >> (I already know the answer that's coming) but isn't that a little odd. Maybe I just don't get it-but in all hundreds of shows I've seen in my lifetime-I have never gone to see a group for just one number and find it hard to believe that anyone would. I guess you'll defend your position and that's fine-but no matter what justification-it just doesn't make sense. I don't want this turning into anything so i'll just leave this email as saying my piece and moving on. john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:18:59 -0400 From: "Alan Carl" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of in the USA Correcto mundo..or as it says in the blurb on the back:This compilation Virgin Records Ltd.under exclusive license to Virgin Records America,Inc. Oh,and I think I was incorrect in a previous note on what's on the cover(and thus the T-shirt).It's not a black crow,it's a raven.They have that roman nose (crooked) beak. "well I've been up all night.." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Goggans" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: [AVALON] Best of in the USA > Does anyone know which US label has released The Best of Roxy Music? It's > not Virgin America, is it? > > --G. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:29:59 From: "James James" Subject: [AVALON] Cryptic Scenery's website Check it out. There's even some downloadable material http://www.cryptic-scenery.de/index.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:59:43 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] South Downs on tour Was it not the Eno mix that crept onto the Massive Attack singles box set? Cheers Richard OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 18/07/01 16:06:52 GMT Daylight Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com > writes: > > << So, did anyone pay particular attention to which "version" of South Downs > was being used? I reckon the backwards box set version, as I played the > original b-side version the other day and it sounded completely different. > >> > > It was the backwards version, or maybe the speakers were just upside down > > John O'Brien > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins/Springsteen I went to see Springsteen on his "solo acoustic tour", a couple of years ago. The tickets were priced #25 (Roxy this year #32). I might be wrong, but from what I recall Springsteen played maybe a 1.5 to 2 hour gig. When he came on stage he laid the "house rules" down - stuff like "No talking/cheering during the songs". I did feel ripped off with the ticket price, but not with the length of the set. It was Springsteens choice to charge #25/ticket, play an "average" set length and to "lay down the house rules". It was my choice to go to see Springsteen. It's Roxy's choice to play a 90 minute set. Sure we'd all like them to play a 3 hour set, but it's not going to happen. It was my choice to go to see Roxy. Would I go to see Springsteen and Roxy again (irrespective of set length)? - yes Aleks Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:21:58 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: [AVALON] and the hits keep coming .................... What - they aren't doing "Always Unknown" on the US leg of the tour? Bloody basta##ds!! - -- -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< Just two days now 'til Roxy Music plays Wash, DC! >--------------------------------------------------------------< William Sommers wrote: > At 11:57 AM 7/18/01 -0400, Jads2@aol.com wrote: > > > << I would have paid $100 to see them do "Mother of > > Pearl" and nothing else. >> > > > > Easy there-let's not get carried away > > What carried away? I'm completely with Miles on this. No offense to > anybody with whom I am meeting up (parents included), but I have, in > essence, already dropped several times that per show to catch this > weekend's east coast dates just for this number. I could easily have > made do with the 3 full sets out here in California... getting the other > 17 songs a couple more times would merely have been gravy. > Unfortunately, it seems they may now be the meat. > > I'm sure I'm not alone in stating I'd be ecstatic to pay more than twice > the money for half the current stage time, if I could name the set. > > > -wfs > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Boston Show Read on another newsgroup that apparently Ferry was having trouble in picking the set-list (The Boston Globe was alledgedly the newspaper). Did anyone read anything in the Boston Globe about this? Anyone know what was actually quoted by Ferry? Just wondering if he was having trouble in deciding to go for the 90 minute show or the full "3 hour hack version" (only joking....) Aleks, Manchester UK Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:37:10 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: [AVALON] New solo album info Just looking through the Toronto press reviews which have been reproduced on Manzanera.com and noticed a little teaser clipped on at the bottom. Basically it mentions Bryan's forthcoming (i.e. out within the next couple of years) solo work. The teaser being that... " After the tour ends, Ferry will go back to work on a new solo rock album, with half the songs except one written by Ferry, and the other half covers. The exception, incidentally, is by Brian Eno." I don't know how to feel about this, while chuffed that the new album is still on the agenda, I am slightly disappointed that half is another bout of covers (2 out of the last three albums were such.) And as for the Eno contribution...I hope it's a world apart from the appalling Wildcat Days, which was, for me, a great let down. Then again I remember groaning loudly when I first saw the UK TV campaign for ATGB, Ferry does Casablanca? So what do I know eh? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:49:20 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Is anyone really sure that Roxy is in America? Geez, here we go again. The cool ruler comes to the US and nobody but his subjects give a shit. Now, I can't absolutely blame the US media for ignoring Roxy. Much as I would like to see Roxy on the cover of Spin and all those mags, they haven't made the domestic sales across their career to warrant it. I'm convinced this is because whoever was booking them on tours in the 70s got their "promoter" certificate as a free prize in a box of Cracker Jacks. Instead of taking residency in New York and making pointed effort towards a culture suited to their style, Roxy was playing motor speedways with Ten Years After in bloody Wheeling West Virginia. So here we go again. A new chance for massive national media exposure... and once again the record companies and the promoters and yes, Bry himself, fail miserably to make a case for themselves. Oh, there's regional media interest certainly, from the local papers, and any press is good press, but let's look at what Roxy Music and their handlers/managers/promoters HAVEN'T done this time around. 1. In England, TV viewers got a preview of the tour with an appearance on a popular music show. In America, not one TV appearance has been announced. If we're lucky, we might get the band on Conan O'Brian again. Maybe, like when Bry showed up there in 1999, they'll do it when the tour is already finished and they're en route to another country. 2. If indeed the new compilation album is in stores anywhere, it has snuck into them without a shade of promotion. I have been under the impression that the album wasn't even coming out in North America! There are no magazine ads for the album and no reviews. I'm reminded of the way I found "Heart Still Beating" in the shops: I was bored in a CD store while a cohort was still shopping and bided my time by seeing whether the shop had an adequate stock of Roxy Music product and found it by accident. 3. VH-1 have all sorts of artist-specific specials, ranging from Storytellers to Behind the Music. Did anyone from Roxy's management contact the channel six months ago to get the band either on one of these shows, or at the very least in for some type of interview, or guest hosting job? 4. Co-ordinating an American radio attack is a precise and arcane science, but that doesn't mean you can't try. "Kiss and Tell" succeeded, not just because of its bass-driven radio-friendly thump, but also (and primarily) its presence on a successful young-skewing film called Bright Lights, Big City, with one of those obnoxious "movie soundtrack" videos that mix film clips in with the promotional video and gets played by MTV. Now, this reunion was being talked about late last year, which is more than enough time for the guys' management to get a Roxy Music song on some big summer movie soundtrack and cross-promote that with the Best Of album. Even if that wasn't possible, has anyone in any city heard anything about any radio station doing even a live interview with the band? Have any weird promo stuff shown up? Music directors in radio are, for the most part, big corporate weasels. Play to them and play their game and you win. "Why yes, Leslie Framm of WNNX Atlanta, Roxy Music are playing the Big Peach on a Thursday and they'd be happy to stop by for an interview that day. In fact, they have Friday off. Perhaps we can arrange some kind of contest. If you're willing to put "The Best of" on your playlist, then Roxy would love to perform a 30 minute Live X [99x's "live in concert" series, recorded for a small crowd at Purple Dragon Recording Studios] for your listeners. You can give away tickets for a couple of weeks before the show, broadcast the performance, and include one of the tracks on your year-end "best of" charity CD! And while we're at it, we'll send you thirty signed Best Of CDs!!" 5. A couple of months ago, my wife and I saw Placebo along with about 80 other folks. They played a free, public in-store at Tower Records and successfully sold several dozen copies of their new album. (It also brought a friend in; he bought a pricy Miles Davis import.) Is there some reason Roxy can't be bothered to follow this route? How about an in-store signing? I've never been one of those boring people who doesn't like it when their favorite artists suddenly break big. Well, okay, I'm still not fond of sharing Sarah McLachlan, whom I have loved since 1989, with a bunch of high school girls who heard "Angel" at their prom, but that's beside the point. I want folks to know about Roxy Music! These SFX Promotions people, and whoever the hell's managing Roxy, need to remove their heads from their posteriors and get to work **now** if they want the American leg of the tour to be a success. Those already converted cannot be expected to carry the load by ourselves. If there's something the promoters and the record company want us to do, some of us - like me - will try to do it, but we can't do it alone. Grant Goggans comments welcome http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion (PS: I was *going* to crosspost this to the official site's message board - shudder - in the hopes that Bry's people might have a better chance to see it. Turns out the message board is closed! Oh, that makes all KINDS of sense! Roxy Music's on tour and Bry's official site doesn't have any interactivity. Holy Moses on toast, this man needs new representation...) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:51:38 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] South Downs on tour I agree. South Downs is the greatest piece of music....EVER! Jonathan ps. Im serious. In a message dated 18/07/01 16:06:52 GMT Daylight Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: > It's obviously a serious issue worthy of some hot debate and investigation. > > ;-) > > SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:57:59 EDT From: AnnLeddy@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon]Tour dates Does anyone know where I can get a list of remaining tour dates and cities? (Bryan Ferry website not updated at all). Went to Boston show last night and it was great! Disappointed no one wore "Roxy" outfits and surprised to see such and older, subdued crowd sitting in their chairs for most of the night. I'll be back Saturday night for more! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:10:12 EDT From: AnnLeddy@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is anyone really sure that Roxy is in America? I totally agree! I have been flipping radio channels looking for thier music this week (since they are in town twice this week, after all), but found nothing. Couldn't even find a review in the Boston Globe today! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:12:02 From: "James James" Subject: [AVALON] Toronto Review #3 This, from Canadawide daily, The Globe and Mail.... http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?tf=tgam/common/FullStory.html&cf=tgam/common/FullStory.cfg&configFileLoc=tgam/config&vg=BigAdVariableGenerator&date=20010718&dateOffset=&hub=thearts&title=Arts&cache_key=theartsMusicHeadline¤t_row=2&start_row=2&num_rows=1 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:17:45 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is anyone really sure that Roxy is in America? (snip) Ironically, when I opened today's Orlando Sentinel, what did I see in the Living section but an article on the Roxy reunion, complete with the canned "tour" photo. And Roxy isn't coming close to Orlando. But you're right, there has not been a lot of tour promotion, which is surprising considering that SFX is part of Clear Channel Communications, a media monster. You would think that a corporate sponsor who owns a bunch of radio stations would get Bry and the boys onto one or two of them, don't you? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:34:19 +0100 From: "dark.images" Subject: [AVALON] Penthouse interview Dont look Niki !!! Penthouse:Coming back to these two girls? Ferry:Meanwhile back in...the thing is that every time you say that I get this - -not a mental block-a mental flashback-because I can always remember things very vividly,so it's like turning on the television set again,absolutely seeing this happening again.It's really weird. Penthouse:Can you describe it? Ferry:Well I could, but I'm not going to.(must be thinking of you Niki) Penthouse:Is it something you'd do again? Ferry:It was very ordinary actually.It's just like if you say to me,"well,can you remember the time you were with a black woman"? And I'd say,"Oh yes,that was so and so."Or "Can you remember the time you were with a blonde who was five feet nine and a half," or someone with an incredible figure and so on,you know. Penthouse:It was incredibly ordinary? Ferry:No,it wasn't incredibly ordinary.I wouldn't like to take it out of context and elevate it into anything that it wasn't,but it was very interesting.Anything that you do should be interesting,or why else should you be doing it?I mean you could do that all the time if you wanted to,with groupies and people,but I virtually never go with girls you'd call groupies because I'm not really interested them. Penthouse:Are you likely,if you're depressed,to have sex with anybody,without any other feelings coming into it. Ferry:No,because that's happend-to have sex with somebody who I wake up with at two in the morning and be really brought down by,I wouldn't.What i'm saying is that rock groups today,if they want to can make out incredibly well with a reasonably low standard of person-that's if you're going to try and distinguish between people.And so if you get all these women and groups in polaroid sessions.Thats quite a favoutite thing to do with groups.You get all these women together and get the cameras out.They all do that and you know ,thats to easy.It's just not worth it. Penthouse:Do you have many friends? Ferry:No.I suppose I'm a bit of a loner,but not particularly through choice.I don't really mean to be.It's that I don't lead a organised life.If your leading a nine till five life you can plan what you're doing in any given week and make sure you have an interesting variety of things to do in that week,but if you're living virtually from day to day,which is what I do more or less,you're obviously sometimes left without something to do.You lose contact with people very easily,you know.I have a circle of acquaintances but not a circle of close friends,more or less it's just because I see them at the same parties.But there again I haven't got old schoolfriends-strange that.From college I have-couple of people I see about twice a year.Generally I get on best with-well,most of the people I really know or see are in the fashion world,therefore they're attractive people and personality-wise attractive and hence not incredibly deep. Penthouse: Visual people? Ferry:Sort of fun people. Penthouse:Do you like the look of people rather than the sound of them? Ferry:Yes I suppose I do,I tend to take a general impression,a vague impression of them rather than a deep sort of view. Penthouse:If you Know people for a long time do you easily become bored with them? Ferry:Yes,because I always expect too much from people and people always are likely to disappoint you in the end.I still have those one or two friends from a long time agoI just never see them but i'm still aware of them existing andI'd like to see them when I get through the next couple of years.I going through a period of intensive work-it's not that I object to other people or anything like that.The couple of people I was close to in college are living a completely different life style and I just haven't got time to see them at all or phone or anything.I'm sure I'll see them in the future. Penthouse:Do you find you can't go back to people or places and have them as they used to be? Ferry:That's generally true.It's very sad that,especially-I find that with Newcastle.It's changed a hell of a lot in four years,all these big towns are changing,town planning and everything.It's about the only thing I feel strongly about.I'm very unpolitical.I'm more interested in personal things-things which affect me,but that's one thing which really upsets me.When your touring England you really see it.They screwing up the way the country looks.Penthouse:Can you see a waythat society is going to sort itself out? Ferry:No,It's something which is very worrying,I can't really see any way out of it,therefore I try not to think about it as much as possible because I hate thinking about things which I haven't any control over. Penthouse:Would you like to have control over things like that,if you could,through your music? Ferry:Not really,because I'd find it very boring to be involved in stuff like that because there other things which can do better which I'd rather to do. At this point the phone rings and ferry talks to an unidentified female calling long distance. Yeah,hello,ah hello,I'm ok,I've been trying to call you for ages but your phone seems to be out of order.Your in Cannes? You've just won twenty thousand francs gambling? What's twenty thousand francs in English? Oh I'm very pleased.Who have you been gambling with? Who are you with in Cannes?Yeah?Is Andy Brown still down there?Uh.Yes Hm.How long are ther for then? Oh well it's nice to hear you're still jet -setting .What, Haha.Well,I've been having several breakdowns in the last couple of months.Oh yes I'm very glad you called.Eh/No,just the pressure of everything.Yes the pressure,I said pressure.Yeah,It's just that I've nearly finished this album and...Iam.Oh yes.No,this is an album of other peoples songs.................... Sorry but that where it ended,continued on page 136,so check under your brothers bed or your dads wardrobe for those missing pages. Cheers Andy. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #315 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest