From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #314 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 06 : Number 314 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] The Stuff We Love to Consume ["Alan Carl" ] [AVALON] Oz PR ["S Clarke" ] [AVALON] some more cool photos ["S Clarke" ] R: [AVALON] for Andy "dark images" ["Annalisa Bellodi" ] Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Roxy in the Bay Area ["Eman 97" ] Re: [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] Apologies if someone else sent this first [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Concert Lengths,or What Brian Eno Doesn't Get ["Alan Carl" ] Re: [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] New vs old this vs that [Jads2@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] concert lengths ["Grant Goggans" ] RE: [AVALON] Chris Spedding ["David Squires " ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? [Jads2@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] [Doll819@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? [Jads2@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] [AVALON] The Price of Music? [Heather James ] [AVALON] Videos/Rufus Wainright [AMeyersLD@aol.com] [AVALON] Toronto review #1 ["James James" ] Re: [AVALON] Videos/Rufus Wainright ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Toronto Review #2 ["James James" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan and religion [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Re: Avalon [Avalon887@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) ["M. Taylor" Subject: [AVALON] The Stuff We Love to Consume OK,materialist girls(and boys),artists want to make it in the US because we buy stuff.And lots of it.And there's lots of stuff for sale at the Roxy Music concerts.And they have XTRA LARGE for all of us calorically challenged.Here's a partial list. Tshirts:all $30: a pink one with the cover from their first album,and am I the only one who always thought she looked like a desperate,aging whore? Well besides,it's pink.What is this,a Pet Shop Boys concert? Tshirt with the cover from For Your Pleasure-I scoop one up. Tshirt with the cover from their most recent Best of Roxy Music with the song list on the back of the shirt. Hey,I like that black crow,makes it look kind of goth--I buy one. Tshirt with the cover from Siren-It's blue. Hey I am seeing them at least 2 more times,maybe I will buy one then. Tshirt(polo shirt? I think it had some buttons) with that double eagle thing. One little halter top kind of shirt with the logo "Love is The Drug" ,another with that eagle thingy.Cute ..but not on me. Tour Book - $20 has that goth crow again on the cover, I had to buy it.Besides,it has lots of pictures inside.It will be fun to look at when I'm 80 and in that old age home. Has that freshly printed smell,too.INHALE.... Hats..$30(?) maybe next time... 5 Badge set...$8..ok,they are buttons(badges?) .Hey, cheap,I buy a set.Even if the "Do the Strand" button IS pink. Sincerely, American (US) consumer who spent $88 bucks real fast. Others may have blown the Virginia Plain line at the Boston show tonight,but not me.And I buy stuff,too!We will make this is a successful tour regardless of what others do! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:11:32 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: [AVALON] roxy and dali I don't know if this particular photo has hit the list before but it's probably worth a revisit. http://www.smh.com.au/news/0102/03/entertainment/entertain3.html Shelley ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:17:17 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: [AVALON] Oz PR Roxy Music aficionados recognise two distinct eras in the band's original, 12-year life. The explosive glam rock of the early '70s and the mum-pleasing crooning of Avalon remain worlds apart, but the unifying factors - Bryan Ferry, Andy Mackay (sax) and Phil Manzanera (guitar) - are doing their best to stick them back together. Borrowing from Warhol's factory, old Hollywood and psychedelic pop, Roxy's art-rock hybrid spawned some of the most adventurous and influential albums of the '70s before their experimental zest was derailed by the more conventional aspirations of their singer. After 18 years in hiatus, the band's core trio announced this reunion tour in February. Subsequent shows have revisited their first glitter-strewn single of 1972, Virginia Plain, and their schmaltzy John Lennon cover, Jealous Guy, a monster hit immediately after their last Australian tour, back in 1981. With original drummer Paul Thompson a late addition, Roxy's only challenge is a set list that balances the youthful thrill of Pyjamarama with the '80s FM fodder of More Than This. Either way, it's already an event. Michael Dwyer, CitySearch ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:24:21 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: [AVALON] some more cool photos http://smh.com.au/news/0106/09/entertainment/entertain3.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:22:37 +0200 From: "Annalisa Bellodi" Subject: R: [AVALON] for Andy "dark images" >No offence taken Niki,the Penthouse interview gets no prettier I'm afraid,so >I'll skip the last part,but don't forget never judge a book by it's cover >including Mr Ferry. Hi Andy, I'm very thakful that you shared the interview with us Avalon members. I'm waiting for the last part, so please send it!! Ciao Annalisa ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:43:02 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) >>> Aleks Kocan 07/17 8:19 pm >>> > Because of my age at the time (seven) I didn't buy the > 1st album on release. Yes, I had that problem too with the first album. I was about minus 14 months! ;-) SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:40:54 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Length... >>> Aleks Kocan 07/17 8:08 pm >>> > I've seen Mark Knopfler/Terence Trent D'Arby play 2.5 > to 3 hour sets, and Morrisey play 60 minutes. I've seen Pete Townshend do a three hour set and it just dragged, every song went on for ages and it just became boring. I saw the Posies do a 60 minute set and it was the best gig I've ever been to in my life. I was quite happy with my 100 mins from Roxy (well, that's what it was at Sheffield), just the right length, any longer and I would have become bored. So there! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:46:26 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy in the Bay Area What may seem a very strange request.... Is there anyone in the South SF Bay Area that might have and be willing to take a friend of mine to the Roxy Show at the Concord??? I already emailed Robert Cambra, re: a ticket. Here is the deal, a life long friend of mine, who was once a world class athlete, and a fashion model (male) in Paris, hit upon hard times a few years ago due to a brain injury. He is a HUGE Roxy fan. However, he his still progressing from walker to cane, to two feet. So he cannot drive. And his world has narrowed down to living with is old mum while he recovers. For the last few years, Ida and I, and some of you tree people have been perking up his day to day with sundry Ferry/Roxy items.... Any sweet hearted Bay Area fans that might consider shuttling him to and fro the Concord gig if I sent $'s???? I can't fly in to do it, myself or I would. So, if anyone wants to contact me off list.... Thanks much, just a shot.... e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:00:28 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine - -----Original Message----- From: PeteK To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:27 AM Subject: [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine >I hope this doesn't sound blasphemous, but I can't warm up to Bry's version of >"You Are My Sunshine". Dreary is the only word that comes to mind. Bryan`s recording of his song will always remain one of those unexplained mysteries for me as well. Being from Louisiana I grew up hearing countless versions of this dreg and I`ve never been able to warm up to *any* version of it. It was originally written by Jimmy Davis who used it successfully to win Louisiana`s govenorship in 1940 then again in 1960. Davis passed away at the end of last year. He was 98. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:01:59 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Apologies if someone else sent this first ROXY MUSIC FANS IN 'SHEER HEAVEN' AT TORONTO TOUR KICK-OFF Time stood still at Air Canada Centre Monday (July 16) night for Roxy Music's North American tour kick-off in Toronto. FULL STORY: http://cdw01.cdnow.com/Click?q=0f-RMGlIqjO98s0D7suUKRxS9pA ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:12:04 -0400 From: "Alan Carl" Subject: [AVALON] Concert Lengths,or What Brian Eno Doesn't Get OK,so I'd like to hear Dream Home too,and more,more,more(I am a mass American consumer-see separate email),and I have been to concerts where I've felt cheated by the length.But I have to say that having just gotten back from the Boston show,I really feel that this concert can stand as a unique,completely satisfying event.The act of touring,of designing a set,(with showgirls),with various participants having their own parts,with a certain flow to how the songs run together is an artistically creative act.It's obviously secondary to writing songs,but I still think it has merit and if we respect the artists,we should respect what they are trying to do in the concert as they have constructed it. Hell,if they just want to make it longer,they could have Lucy turn Out of the Blue into a 15 minute violin orgy. I'd compare it to the way various theater companies put on a play.It might be the same words,but there is a difference in every version of a play.Certain things are emphasized,or not;or scenes are moved quicker. From what I've read,I don't think Eno gets this..or believes it is possible,or worthy to put artistry into a concert.So he didn't join the tour. But most of us have stereo systems good enough to create a technically better listening experience than that which is found at any rock concert hall. And we can make that as long a listen as we want.So why bother going to any concert? Well,it's getting late....I will stop jabbering.But they are doing a second Boston show,and then 2 New York shows,and I will be interested if they play them exactly the same,or if they make changes in the different nights. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:10:38 +0100 From: "Peter Dewey" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? The 90 minutes is not really an issue, except that the show has been shortened by 15 mins or so from the early sets, presumably because of the strain on the voice. What I do take issue with is the reference the Springsteen as a "hack". We all have our own opinions and preferences, but have you, T(h)om actually seen a Springsteen show? I have seen Ferry/Roxy and Springsteen both about the same number of times live, and there is NO hackwork involved in either show. Springsteen's voice is obviously more robust, which enables him to sing in his style for shows which last for up to 4 hours. Even on the solo acoustic Tom Joad tour he was on stage for 2 1/2 hours, which would approximately equate to the longer electric set allowing for solos and narratives. Also, from one night to the next the set list will vary by a significant percentage (6 songs or so) and in his 1999/2000 tour some 100 different songs were performed. If quantity (not quality) is a measure of hackwork, fair enough but if quality is the measure, you're wrong! NP nothing, I'm in the office! Peter Dewey ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:23:40 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine We used to sing it at school in music lessons when I was about 6 or 7. Around about the same time I was given a copy of ATAP (along with TFT, Stranded and the Bohemian Rhapsody 7") and thought it was cool that we were singing a song that Bryan Ferry had sung! However, I didn't like the song and preferred The In Crowd (the end spooked me out as I was used to the single version with the fade) and the title track itself, and couldn't stand Smoke as it was completely different to the Platters version (still the best version of that song). And more than that, I preferred Stranded! SimonG >>> "tmoq" 07/18 10:00 am >>> - -----Original Message----- From: PeteK To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:27 AM Subject: [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine >I hope this doesn't sound blasphemous, but I can't warm up to Bry's version of >"You Are My Sunshine". Dreary is the only word that comes to mind. Bryan`s recording of his song will always remain one of those unexplained mysteries for me as well. Being from Louisiana I grew up hearing countless versions of this dreg and I`ve never been able to warm up to *any* version of it. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:09:48 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New vs old this vs that In a message dated 7/17/01 9:08:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stranded73@hotmail.com writes: << Roxy was on the right track, until they broke up in '75. Everything after that is adequate at best. >> I agree up to a point-I don't think there was anything after the first breakup that matches up to their initial run. That said-I can also see people coming to Roxy in their later period and loving that more. KB said that if you listen and are open to an artist's output with open ears that it shouldn't matter when you came in-that your listening ability should get you into all phases in that artist's career. I agree to a point-what I was saying though is that when you come into the party has everything to do with what meaning each album has in your life. There is no way the first Roxy album could hit a person the same way hearing it for the first time in 1980 as it did to a teenager in 1972. By that time a person might be a little older-has already heard all the music that came after-and just can't get shocked. I love jazz and particularly bebop. I fully understand the revolution that bebop meant. That moment when the genre went from big band and swing into the more personal artistic bebop-the moment when Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Parker and Miles Davis broke away from their past and started something genuinely new. I understand it-I hear it-but I could never ever get the same feeling as being there. Everyone knows that Dylan got booed by the folkies when he went electric at Newport for this radical change (and some said sell-out). I could appreciate both those phases and can plainly hear the diufference when going back to his old albums-but don't have the same emotions attached to that change. I firmly believe that the music that hits you hard as a teen (13 to 22 maybe?) becomes the soundtrack to your adolescence-with all that entails. At that age if your a music fanatic (as people on this list absolutely are) music becomes a very personal thing and your favorite bands mean a lot to you. They are a part of forming who you are and set you apart from others. In my high school there were 2 major cliques-those that were fans of Roxy Music-glam-etc and those that were more on the Grateful Dead/Allman Brothers track. You could tell us apart immediately-one group wore platform shoes, glittery clothes, appropriate haircuts-the other wore jeans and denim and long hair. It was also a time where when you met someone new one of the first questions was 'what music are you into". The answer was crucial. So after wandering and rambling (sorry) bottom line is that I don't say that anybody who prefers late to early or this album to that is right or wrong (of course there is the elitist view that if you don't consider the first 2 albums the cream and prefer Avalon then you don't know what you're talking about). Just that It matters where you came in. I'm sure that latecomers can appreciate For Your Pleasure and even prefer it to all the others-it's just that it's impossible to get that same feeling as being there. I like to think that my initial dislike of Manifesto and Flesh & Blood had a lot to do with the times. I was into punk and ignored all older bands as a result-even my favorites (this elitist view didn't last too long-probably as long as the real punk phase did). john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:21:37 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:52:36 -0000 >From: "M. Taylor" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths > I originally said... > >Pah. I saw The Jesus and Mary Chain play for less than 10 minutes > >Why did that happen?!? You mean, why was I there in the first place, or why we didn't string their Scottish butts from the ceiling? Honestly, they came out, heads hung low. Their drummer sat behind his kit and did not lift his drumsticks. The Reids picked up their guitars. One of them mumbled something into his mic. They then turned their backs to the audience and began slowly playing into their amps, making a big, loud, fuzzy racket. After ten minutes of feedback, they walked off stage. My crowd and I left about 45 minutes later. Grant Goggans comments welcome http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:25:09 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: RE: [AVALON] Chris Spedding Sorry it's taken me a while to respond to this, but on 5 Jul 2001, at 12:58, Jocelyn Fiske wrote: > I remember seeing Phil at the London and Glasgow gigs but not on the > rest of the tour. And he certainly wasn't on stage at the Amsterdam > concert which I reviewed in the Summer 77 Roxy Music fan club > newsletter... from which I quote "'Hard Rain' came next with Phil mouthing the wrong words but playing like his life depended on it." And "Chris Spedding and Phil won on the clapometer..." Memory's a funny thing... Inspector Morse - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:25:53 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? In a message dated 7/18/01 5:26:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, peter@dewey.demon.co.uk writes: << What I do take issue with is the reference the Springsteen as a "hack". We all have our own opinions and preferences, but have you, T(h)om actually seen a Springsteen show? I have seen Ferry/Roxy and Springsteen both >> I have to agree-I too saw Springsteen a bunch of times and his shows are events. But let's face it-no one does live shows like springsteen. I am not a big springsteen fan and haven't bought one of his albums since The River-but I certainly would never think of him as a "hack" and fully appreciate what he means to his fans and to music in general. Look at it this way- I meet someone beautiful but they're not my type. That doesn't make them any less beautiful. john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:30:33 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:29:23 +0100 >From: "thom.wallace" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? > >Roxy are all about quality rather than quantity, if you want quantity stick >to the hacks like Springsteen. You know, you can make your point without dissing other artists, especially someone who can pull off the longest and most entertaining rock shows on Earth. A typical Springsteen gig is more than twice as long as Roxy's Toronto show and probably not that much less thrilling. I don't see where the current bout of dismay >stems from, after all there have been gig by gig reviews posted on the list >since the start of the tour with full set lists. Why would there suddenly >be >an extenson to the set time just because they're in the US? Would these be the set lists that contain a couple more songs per show than they're playing in North America, including "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" and "If There is Something," which are the big long epic ones? Out of curiosity, what were ticket prices in England? Atlanta is $68.50, which is about 51 pounds. Grant Goggans comments welcome http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:41:09 EDT From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is there any word yet on the Paris show??? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:40:26 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? In a message dated 7/18/01 7:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gmslegion@hotmail.com writes: << Out of curiosity, what were ticket prices in England? Atlanta is $68.50, which is about 51 pounds. >> and new york is $125.00. john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:59:53 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 Now your being silly. - ----- Original Message ----- From: KB Porter To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 > I believe, regardless of the album which brought the listener to Roxy > Music and/or Bryan Ferry, that the more open one is to accepting a > natural evolution of another's artistic expression, the greater the > chance is that all phases of that artist will become equivocally > appreciated albeit for varying reasons. Roxy Music - Bryan Ferry - spin > them anytime, anyplace, any order - It is all good - even "Cry, Cry, > Cry! > > Best wishes. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:18:18 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the North American setlist--Dance Away????? Jeff, your not being unrealistic expecting a longer set, I saw Tina Tuner do a near 3 hour set last year!, I was lucky enough to see the early shows in the UK including ITIS & MTT and I was dissapointed in the lenth of show then! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Turner To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:46 AM Subject: [AVALON] the North American setlist--Dance Away????? > I can't believe they ditched "Mother of Pearl" for "Dance Away"!!! "Dance > Away" is an OK song, but MOP is an all-time Roxy classic, easily in their > top 5 best. I'm glad to see "Avalon" back, but that's the only change I'd > have welcomed. And as for 90 minutes, I think that after 18 years and for > $75 it should have been at least 2 hours. Personally I think 3 hours would > have been in order, but I am realistic. > > In any case, for those of us on the west side of the Atlantic, drooling over > those European set list reports is proving not to have been a good thing > (just as I feared). Of course, they may still tweak it some more, like they > did after the first few UK dates. > > Oh and by the way, in my previous post about Ferry's comment about getting > stoned if they didn't play "Avalon," I meant to say taking buckets of ROCKS > into the venue, not ROCKETS. Everybody probably figured that one out. > Strange how what you type always looks like what it's supposed to, until you > actually see it again later. > > Regards, > Jeff > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:16:50 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? Erm, probably best we don't tell! ;-) SimonG >>> 07/18 12:40 pm >>> In a message dated 7/18/01 7:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gmslegion@hotmail.com writes: << Out of curiosity, what were ticket prices in England? Atlanta is $68.50, which is about 51 pounds. >> and new york is $125.00. john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:23:11 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: [AVALON] The Price of Music? And The maryland show is $80 each ... tho it IS a small, somewhat intimate outdoor space. (compared to the mega halls that are too common these days) For a relative grin ... I found some of my old concert ticket stubbs, scanned them, and put them online last weekend. Go to http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/index.html and scroll down. I think the priciest from those early days was the during the Avalon Tour - $12.50 ... -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< Jads2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/18/01 7:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gmslegion@hotmail.com writes: > > << Out of curiosity, what were ticket prices in England? Atlanta is $68.50, > which is about 51 pounds. > >> > and new york is $125.00. > > john > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - -- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:29:54 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Videos/Rufus Wainright Hey All! At long last the Strandpower Videos have arrived, and they are glorious! Thanks to Reecey and all concerned. Also, a copy of Rufus Wainright's highly touted CD came my way yesterday...I must say that I am highly impressed with his somgwriting and with the depth of his material. He is highly thought of on the Richard Thompson list (no surprise there) where they make a big deal of his pedigree and the occasional Nick Drake-ish strain in his singing. All in all, I am impressed, I think the boy has a bright future singing gloomy songs. That said, I am not sure he was the best choice for an opening act for Roxy Music. I am looking forward to seeing him perform, but would prefer it in another context. Andrew in Chicago (four days til Boston!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:38:39 From: "James James" Subject: [AVALON] Toronto review #1 Here's the Toronto Star's review... http://www.torontostar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=995320897938&call_page=TS_Music&call_pageid=968867496921&call_pagepath=Entertainment/Music&col=969048868981 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:38:36 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Videos/Rufus Wainright >>> 07/18 1:29 pm >>> > Hey All! > At long last the Strandpower Videos have arrived, and they are glorious! > Thanks to Reecey and all concerned. Come on! I was expecting a big review! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:40:56 From: "James James" Subject: [AVALON] Toronto Review #2 This is the review from the Toronto Sun.... http://www.canoe.ca/JamConcertsR2Z/roxymusic_071601-sun.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:28:27 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? Once again Thom Wallace stumbles about: "Why not stop bleating and just enjoy the shows, after all it isn't as if you didn't have any prior warning." Thom: I speak for myself when I say I am disappointed in the selection of songs that were substituted in Toronto versus what has been played thus far on tour. Do you think it is possible that the North American audience would love to hear, possibly want to hear those rarely heard pieces, that were dropped, done live? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:39:14 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 These statements made by 'The Numberer' are contradictory: "Different people have different tastes." "If you can't top your previous efforts, why bother?" The first statement is an observation about reality. The second statement is a fatal value judgment based on the 'personal perspective' of the individual who made the statement. This incongruity misconstrues the premise and skews the argument that I originally put forth. I find no validity in your rebuttal. KBP, Still feeling very, very edgy. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:44:25 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? > You know, you can make your point without dissing other artists, especially > someone who can pull off the longest and most entertaining rock shows on > Earth. A typical Springsteen gig is more than twice as long as Roxy's > Toronto show and probably not that much less thrilling. You might think that Springsteen is something special, that is your right. In turn I think he is nothing more than an over hyped hack, as is my right. I would never dream of going to see Springsteen becuse I've never liked any of his records or live performances that I've seen on video. The only intersesting thing I've found about him is his working with Nils Lofgren who I think is a fine player and have in the past paid money to see, though I think his talent is wastred working with Springsteen. > Would these be the set lists that contain a couple more songs per show than > they're playing in North America, including "In Every Dream Home a > Heartache" and "If There is Something," which are the big long epic ones? I would have been disapointed to have had "Dance Away" instead of "Dream Home", but then I had "Avalon" which was replaced by "Dream Home" in later UK shows. Did I moan about this no, I was just glad that others got to hear it. Had the original postings made the point of reintroducing songs that had previously been dropped then I wouldn't have chipped in on this one. However they didn't, but they did seem to convey a chain of thought that because some folk play for over 2 hrs in the US then so must Roxy even if they didn't in the UK or anywhere else. > Out of curiosity, what were ticket prices in England? Atlanta is $68.50, > which is about 51 pounds. I would rekon that my ticket for Glasgow cost me in thre region of $50 US. The venues in the UK were between 8 - 10 thousand seaters, I'm not familiar with the North American venues, but I presume that on the whole they may well be slightly smaller, with a slightly smaller turn out expected. This may well account for higher US ticket prices, not forgetting that this is a UK based act touring a continent that didn't exactly go wild for them in the past. Enjoy the shows, that is really what it's all about, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:53:16 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan and religion I agree! Well said Les!! [[ Cecilia in Venice writes: >Oh, but I may be wrong... Oh, but you're right: lots of Bryan Ferry's songs associate (maybe even conflate) religious love or faith with romantic love or desire. Sometimes there's a spiritualized yet eroticized quest motif (the phrases "divine intervention" and "just out of reach glowing, very Holy Grail" from "Mother of Pearl" come to mind) that shows up in those Ferry songs which offer an optimistic, even cavalier view of love. There's also the flipside, the quasi-religious love lyric of sheer despair, as in "The Name of the Game" (really one of my favorite tracks ever), which opens with the lines "Out of control, and as far as I can see / No religion can save me now, though I'm trying to believe." And it gets worse (better); the whole song's packed with cheery little phrases like that. There's even a line about being "Out in the cold, in the wilderness again" (and you can't get much more Biblical than a reference to THE wilderness). Sartre suggests that hell is other people, Ferry that both salvation and damnation are, um, er . . . female. Les (eavesdropping via the digest) ]] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:57:03 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Avalon It's apparent that they brought back "Avalon" for fans stateside. I'm happy because it's one of my favorite songs. I guess the boys have worked on it since the early shows overseas. We'll know soon enough. Boston in 3 days!!!!!!! New York in 5 days!!!!! And I have to admit I love when he sings Jealous Guy - especially his whistling... remembering Lennon anytime and anywhere, especially hearing Bryan sing his music, is fine with me! Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:04:37 -0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) > >>> Aleks Kocan 07/17 8:19 pm >>> > > Because of my age at the time (seven) I didn't buy the > > 1st album on release. > >Yes, I had that problem too with the first album. I was about minus 14 >months! ;-) > As my boyfriend puts it, I was a glimmer in my dad's eye. M _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #314 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest