From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #313 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 06 : Number 313 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Artist on the Avalon-list!!!! ["David Squires " ] Re: [AVALON] for Andy "dark images" ["Judy Kaufman" ] [AVALON] concert lengths ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? [Avalon887@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] concert lengths ["M. Taylor" ] Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) ["Peter Seely" ] [AVALON] concert lengths ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] the North American setlist--Dance Away????? ["Jeff Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? ["Rod LeCloux" ] [AVALON] Re: 90 mins.? [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] [AVALON] Re: Timing is everything [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine ["PeteK" ] [AVALON] Roxy Music comes to Boston ["Alan Carl" ] Re: [AVALON] concert lengths [Etherealana@cs.com] Re: [AVALON] concert lengths ["S Clarke" ] Re: [AVALON] concert lengths [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan and religion ["Les Belikian" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? [Aleks Kocan ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:57:13 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Artist on the Avalon-list!!!! On 17 Jul 2001, at 7:58, Heather James wrote: > it took me a while to find the two Blue Nile albums that were > recommended here last winter! (But it was worth it!) Get the third too, Heather. Peace At Last is a wonderful album, which I'll be listening to as I address padded envelopes in the morning... David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:06:20 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [AVALON] Concord Ticket Is anyone looking for just one good ticket for Roxy for the Concord Pavilion? Section 103, Row S. Robert ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:06:38 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 Grant wrote: > Had the gatefolds, with their > glam pics of the band all prettied up in their costumes, been there, I might > have been prepared for the ungodly wailing noise that emnated when I put > the needle down for "Re-make/Re-model." I first heard Roxy in 1972 when a friend loaned me his import of the first album. At the time I was listening to Bowie, Lou Reed/VU, Bowie, Mott and more Bowie. Looking at the photos on the inside, I though RM looked a bit silly but then Bowie could look funny at times too. My attitude changed by the time I listened to side one; I was hooked and my passion has never abated. There are of course, songs and albums and I prefer over others but I don't think I will ever hear music by anyone that will have the long-lasting impact on me that Roxy Music has had. I probably listen to CL, Siren, Manifesto,TBSB and IYM the most. I have often played them all, in release order and enjoyed every note. With the introduction of CDs, I began to purchase extra copies of all the RM/BF on vinyl knowing that having endured so many years, the format would remain stable. I now have 5 or more copies of all the releases except ATGB. I still have that loaner of the first RM. I must return that someday . . . maybe in the next life. Living here in the hinterlands in younger years, I was a real *Roxy-tramp* going wherever to see them live. When I lived in New York, they came to me. Now, I remain Roxy-less and heartsick, Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:12:18 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] Grant Goggans >>>"If There is Something," it simply can't move me emotionally the way side two of "Boys and Girls" does, because it was the latter stuff that I fell in love with first. Grant, thanks for that perspective, this is the first time I have heard someone's take that got in at that period. Unique. I find it fascinating that you were able to go back and grow an appreciation for the "first 5." My first exposure to BF was when Smoke Gets in Your Eyes was played on KSOL in the SF Bay area in 74ish. How I missed Roxy while surfing all those Bay Area stations is beyond me, but I guess their total lack of chart success until LITD accounts. Caught Siren when it came out and my local college station played it a lot, thank god. Cos music sucked in '75. (Sorry Doobie Brothers). So, my backwards tracking only went from Siren for the first two. The ironic thing, was that I was already a Eno fan, with his first two, and the Fripp stuff...but hadn't made the BF connection. I am sure it was part due to student finances, couldn't afford much, and it wasn't easy to find an NME or a MM in those days stateside. By Spring 76 I was awash in Roxy's first five, BF solo stuff, and all the other solo offshoots. So, tho it was nice that they reformed, Manifesto was a change, gone was the gangly, jagged, experimental compositions that were so fresh. I can't say I've liked anything as well, since Siren, as the stuff before. e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:14:41 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] for Andy "dark images" From: "dark.images" > No offence taken Niki,the Penthouse interview gets no prettier I'm afraid,so > I'll skip the last part,but don't forget never judge a book by it's cover > including Mr Ferry. Andy, Please send it on. Many of us want to read it and Niki can delete it. BF, despite what some believe *is* human - not a god. It's nice to read the more human side rather than the *stylish gentleman* we are presented with. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:31:58 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] The Great Paul Thompson Ok, showing my lack of knowledge here, what is the origin of calling Paul Thompson "the Great Paul Thompson" ? Was that just how BF introduced him, and it stuck? And also, why did PT leave the band...I always thought he wasn't invited back...? e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:48:47 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] concert lengths >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0700 (PDT) >From: Aleks Kocan >Subject: Re: [AVALON] First north american show > >- --- Rod LeCloux wrote: > > > > > U.S. audience will be very disapointed with a 90 > > minute show. > >All things being equal the average length for a >concert would be approx 90 to 120 mins. > >I've seen Mark Knopfler/Terence Trent D'Arby play 2.5 >to 3 hour sets, and Morrisey play 60 minutes. Pah. I saw The Jesus and Mary Chain play for less than 10 minutes in 1988. By the time we figured they weren't coming back out, they were halfway to Raleigh... - --G. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:42:07 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? I certainly hope they play more than 90 minutes... how can they get so much money per ticket in MSG and then give us only 90 minutes? Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Eileen :-) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:52:36 -0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths >>I've seen Mark Knopfler/Terence Trent D'Arby play 2.5 >>to 3 hour sets, and Morrisey play 60 minutes. I've seen Moz a few times. I once tried to get a friend to go with me but she said that she would rather see the circus than pay $$ to see Moz perform a short set. >Pah. I saw The Jesus and Mary Chain play for less than 10 minutes Why did that happen?!? M _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:37:48 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) I'm right there with you. For all the criticism Avalon gets, I still think it's stronger than Siren. Don't get me wong, there's a lot of good tunes on Siren, and it's still better than what most people put out, but it sounds to me like they're running out of gas. By the way, someone made a comment about opinions of Roxy albums being formed AFTER they came out. I'm not quite sure what that has to do with anything, except that a person who does so might be able to listen a bit more dispassionately. My first NEW Roxy album was Manifesto, and I liked 5 of their first 6 albums better, albums which I heard after the fact. Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Atterbom" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) > John, Siren was the first Roxy Music album I bought, the previous four came > after. My favorite is still Viva!, but I very seldom play Siren. It's not a > bad album, but I think that the first four plus Avalon are better. Viva of > course being the best, but I like live albums. I'd better pull out Siren > again and have a spinn. > > NP India, Avalon > > > Daniel > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:39:33 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 Well put! Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 > I believe, regardless of the album which brought the listener to Roxy > Music and/or Bryan Ferry, that the more open one is to accepting a > natural evolution of another's artistic expression, the greater the > chance is that all phases of that artist will become equivocally > appreciated albeit for varying reasons. Roxy Music - Bryan Ferry - spin > them anytime, anyplace, any order - It is all good - even "Cry, Cry, > Cry! > > Best wishes. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:31:59 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: [AVALON] concert lengths After waiting all day in the hot sun, I saw a Rolling Stones concert that lasted under an hour ... July 4th, 1972. They were all real toasted .. drunk ... or something ... I enjoyed the warmup act much more ... some young guy with a vocal synth effect that got used a lot later by Peter Frampton ... but on that day it was premiered by Stevie Wonder (some warmup act, huh?). I shouldn't complain .. the tickets were $5.50 general admission -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:53 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths > > > >>I've seen Mark Knopfler/Terence Trent D'Arby play 2.5 > >>to 3 hour sets, and Morrisey play 60 minutes. > > I've seen Moz a few times. I once tried to get a friend to go with me but > she said that she would rather see the circus than pay $$ to see > Moz perform > a short set. > > >Pah. I saw The Jesus and Mary Chain play for less than 10 minutes > > Why did that happen?!? > > M > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:29:23 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? Roxy are all about quality rather than quantity, if you want quantity stick to the hacks like Springsteen. I don't see where the current bout of dismay stems from, after all there have been gig by gig reviews posted on the list since the start of the tour with full set lists. Why would there suddenly be an extenson to the set time just because they're in the US? Why not stop bleating and just enjoy the shows, after all it isn't as if you didn't have any prior warning. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:46:41 -0500 From: "Jeff Turner" Subject: [AVALON] the North American setlist--Dance Away????? I can't believe they ditched "Mother of Pearl" for "Dance Away"!!! "Dance Away" is an OK song, but MOP is an all-time Roxy classic, easily in their top 5 best. I'm glad to see "Avalon" back, but that's the only change I'd have welcomed. And as for 90 minutes, I think that after 18 years and for $75 it should have been at least 2 hours. Personally I think 3 hours would have been in order, but I am realistic. In any case, for those of us on the west side of the Atlantic, drooling over those European set list reports is proving not to have been a good thing (just as I feared). Of course, they may still tweak it some more, like they did after the first few UK dates. Oh and by the way, in my previous post about Ferry's comment about getting stoned if they didn't play "Avalon," I meant to say taking buckets of ROCKS into the venue, not ROCKETS. Everybody probably figured that one out. Strange how what you type always looks like what it's supposed to, until you actually see it again later. Regards, Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:50:44 -0700 From: "The Numberer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 Different people have different tastes. Roxy's later work pales in comparison to the Thompson years. If you can't top your previous efforts, why bother?The Beatles got better with each album! Roxy was on the right track, until they broke up in '75. Everything after that is adequate at best. >From: "Peter Seely" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:39:33 -0400 > >Well put! > >Pete >----- Original Message ----- >From: "KB Porter" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:50 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #311 > > > > I believe, regardless of the album which brought the listener to Roxy > > Music and/or Bryan Ferry, that the more open one is to accepting a > > natural evolution of another's artistic expression, the greater the > > chance is that all phases of that artist will become equivocally > > appreciated albeit for varying reasons. Roxy Music - Bryan Ferry - spin > > them anytime, anyplace, any order - It is all good - even "Cry, Cry, > > Cry! > > > > Best wishes. KBP > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:32:46 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? At 01:29 AM 7/18/01 +0100, thom.wallace wrote: > I don't see where the current bout of dismay stems from, after all > there have been gig by gig reviews posted on the list since the start > of the tour with full set lists. Why would there suddenly be an > extenson to the set time just because they're in the US? T(h)om -- While I can't presume to speak for all, I think it's more that we *have* been watching the set lists and are a bit dismayed to see, what, 20-25 minutes dropped over the last several shows. Wanting to see it stretched back out to the nearly two hours that it already was is quite a bit different from throwing a tantrum expecting some sort of special treatment. And stopwatches aside, I doubt there's a person on this list (well, you never know...) who could defend Dance Away replacing MOP using an argument of quality over quantity. Not with a straight face. > Why not stop bleating and just enjoy the shows, after all it isn't > as if you didn't have any prior warning. Jocelyn certainly has the right attitude. But then she's already seen, time and again over the past 5 weeks, a number of things performed which some of us have only dreamed of seeing the majority of our lives, briefly expected to, and may never. As have you. Sure it's going to be great. Yet on a personal level how much greater might the farewell be were it not now down from two to ZERO of the five songs I'd most like to have (and never have before) seen live. It not hard to see where the "bout" is coming from, just requires a little empathy. -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:11:56 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? From: M.M.K. > You are so right Rod, Americans are use to a long concert. At least 21/2 > hrs. are the norm. The Boys better get busy, there will be > pandemonium.--- Paying out the rat's arse for tickets for a 90 min. > show, will be a big let down. > Marlana............................................. Yeah, you would think that for a band that has not toured in years would be just dying to roll-out as much from the back catalogue as they could. I pray they play "In Every Dream Home A Heartache" in Minneapolis. I have to drive 6 hours to see them and take 3 days vacation just to pull it off. It gets a little complicated when you have a 7 month old baby in tow. Anyways, I would think they could play it least 2 hours without over staying their welcome;) Like I said before maybe Bryan could take a breather while Phil cranks out "Diamond Head". TGPT already knows the song and I'm sure Lucy could figure out the stuff Eddie did on Fender piano. Maybe there would be some contractual problems? It's just seems kinda odd that with all the nice theaters that they will be playing that there are not stretching this out a bit.... Bye, Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:16:05 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: 90 mins.? Thom say's,----" Why would there suddenly be an extension to the set time just because they're in the US?"-------Extension,Extension,you say? A 90 min. gig is by no means an extension. We've had to wait quite a while to see & hear what has been a dream for many, to have Roxy here. We have to travel quite a distant when the band is not even coming to some areas, just to see this dream come true. I don't think it's asking to much to just make the show's as long as they were in the Uk & other places. The ATGB tour was the last time Ferry was here. Is it any wonder we American's are just a little bit hyped up, the waiting has been far to long. Marlana........................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:37:16 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Timing is everything I'll be anxious to get a view of some of the Avalonion's thoughts who came over here to see some of the shows. It want be just a quick train ride to each gig. Everything for us has to be thought out carefully in advance to even get to the said destination. We'd at least like to have a show that's two hrs. long enjoying hearing our favorite tunes the way they should be heard,LIVE BY ROXY IN THE USA. Marlana..................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:12:06 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] You Are My Sunshine I hope this doesn't sound blasphemous, but I can't warm up to Bry's version of "You Are My Sunshine". Dreary is the only word that comes to mind. Also I think "My Only Love" from Flesh and Blood is one of Roxy's best songs. Same for "Same Old Scene". There are at least a couple stand out tracks on every release. I've noticed quite a varying degree of tastes. There doesn't seem to be a consensus. We don't see eye to eye always We can but only try in small ways......Alan Hull ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:06:14 -0400 From: "Alan Carl" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music comes to Boston Near the end of the set,Bryan pointed out that it had been 18 years since Roxy Music had been in the US.Yes,the first stop on their tour in the US occurred tonight in Boston,and here are some notes on it. The showtime on the ticket was 8:30,and it appeared as though they were going to wait until then to even let the people in. So we mingled and listened to a sound check,and at 7:55,the gates opened,and it became real. Just at 8:30,Rufus Wainwright came on.His first song was in French,and was decent, but at 7 minutes went on too long..His sister,Martha,took turns singing,and she is the better singer.But baah,do you really want to know about him? His set ran to 9:10 Anyway..9:30.and where is the crowd?..I was sitting in section 3,row L--fairly close,and in the row in front of me,only one person was sitting.Where is everyone? 9:35 and the lights dim...sounds of South Downs(?) start-then stop-then resume,then stop.And there's a bum's rush for the still open seats.Curtain opens,it's Re-Make/Re-Model.and damn,but the way the curtain has been drawn, it almost obscures my view of Bryan on the keyboards..but hey,there's still open seats to my right,so I join the still moving crowd and grab a better seat. Cut to the chase,the set list is the same as Toronto's,so it's then Street Life,then Ladytron,and the crowd doesn't seem to be in it.But it's like high school again for me--I'm enjoying it..so who cares what they think? Then While My heart Is Still Beating. Finally,Out of the Blue snaps the crowd into attention.But some still don't get it.I think I am annoying some woman next to me by my screaming(after a song ends) and singing along to the music.I am trying to write down the songs on a sheet of paper that also has set lists I've gotten from the internet and a guy in front(a bum rusher) sees this and says,"hey do you know if they are going to play any of their hits?" I hear A Song for Europe start up and tell him what it is,he is not satisfied. My Only Love,and the crowd is out of it.. people are fleeing to "rent" beer and then pee.Sarah gets a nice hand,though. Oh Yeah..and yeah,I know what many on the list think of this song,but I have to say that this is the song that seemed to get the crowd into the concert for good.From this point on,I felt I could stay standing. Both Ends Burning..what's that on the video screen,wait,those are live dancing girls!Whether it was my perspective,or the way the set was deliberately set up,it looked like they were IN the backround screen.But they were live! Tara..there was some glitch and Andy's sound seemed to go,but Lucy came in strong,and Andy came back. Avalon--yes,yes,I know..but at least the mike was good,when Bryan last sang this in Boston (ATGB tour) his mike cut out & ruined the song.And the audience loves it. Dance Away--maybe they figure an American audience won't know when Mother Of Pearl really ends,and will applaud too early..I don't know,but everyone is still up and swaying. Jealous Guy- I can appreciate why they need to do this-it's a homage to a great man who died too young. Editions of You-- I decide to clap on the beat the whole song thru-my hands get sore.and we all do the "WOOOO" and then Virginia Plain-we sing that too.The song ends,it's 10:50.As Zev leaves,he points to his watch..encore time. Love Is the Drug..EVERYONE sings this one. Do the Strand-2 of the girls come 'off the screen' and dance on the sides of the stage.Cool.More fun than all of Moulin Rouge. For Your Pleasure-I know this is the end,so I try to burn the image of what I am seeing into my mind.Its 11:10 They had been on for @ 95 minutes.But I am happy.. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:12:03 EDT From: Etherealana@cs.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths In a message dated 7/17/01 5:13:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lebonster@hotmail.com writes: > I've seen Moz a few times. I once tried to get a friend to go with me but > she said that she would rather see the circus than pay $$ to see Moz > perform > a short set. > > Lucky, I would gladly pay to see Moz perform if only for a short set!!! It's not often one gets to see genius in action--even if it is short. Ana ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:15:14 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths I once saw Nico walk onto the stage, start an argument with a guy down the front of the audience and then leave in a huff, never to return. My guesstimate of time on stage? About five minutes. I don't think she was very 'well'. Shelley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Goggans" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [AVALON] concert lengths > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Aleks Kocan > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] First north american show > > > >- --- Rod LeCloux wrote: > > > > > > > > U.S. audience will be very disapointed with a 90 > > > minute show. > > > >All things being equal the average length for a > >concert would be approx 90 to 120 mins. > > > >I've seen Mark Knopfler/Terence Trent D'Arby play 2.5 > >to 3 hour sets, and Morrisey play 60 minutes. > > Pah. I saw The Jesus and Mary Chain play for less than 10 minutes in 1988. > By the time we figured they weren't coming back out, they were halfway to > Raleigh... > > --G. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] concert lengths > Lucky, I would gladly pay to see Moz perform if only > for a short set!!! It's > not often one gets to see genius in action--even if > it is short. > > > > Ana True, every time I've seen him I grumble about the length of set, but when he does another gig I still end up going to see him again.....strange... Aleks Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:58:31 -0700 From: "Les Belikian" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan and religion Cecilia in Venice writes: >Oh, but I may be wrong... Oh, but you're right: lots of Bryan Ferry's songs associate (maybe even conflate) religious love or faith with romantic love or desire. Sometimes there's a spiritualized yet eroticized quest motif (the phrases "divine intervention" and "just out of reach glowing, very Holy Grail" from "Mother of Pearl" come to mind) that shows up in those Ferry songs which offer an optimistic, even cavalier view of love. There's also the flipside, the quasi-religious love lyric of sheer despair, as in "The Name of the Game" (really one of my favorite tracks ever), which opens with the lines "Out of control, and as far as I can see / No religion can save me now, though I'm trying to believe." And it gets worse (better); the whole song's packed with cheery little phrases like that. There's even a line about being "Out in the cold, in the wilderness again" (and you can't get much more Biblical than a reference to THE wilderness). Sartre suggests that hell is other people, Ferry that both salvation and damnation are, um, er . . . female. Les (eavesdropping via the digest) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 90mins.? - --- "thom.wallace" wrote: > Roxy are all about quality rather than quantity, if > you want quantity stick > to the hacks like Springsteen. Why not stop > bleating and just enjoy the shows, after all it > isn't as if you didn't have > any prior warning. > > Tom. > Sorry Folks, got to agree with Tom here, most of us have seen Roxy/Ferry before - we've got a fair idea of the length of set played. Got to say that dropping songs like Mother Of Peral, If There Is Something and Dreamhome in favour of Avalon and Dance Away is a tough call though Aleks Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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