From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #307 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, July 15 2001 Volume 06 : Number 307 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD HE'S GONNA MAKE ME FEEL SOOOOOOOOOO ["the bogus man" ] [AVALON] Bryan on TV/Manzanera.com ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] mail, reece and other things ["Philip Adams" ] Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 [KB Porter ] [AVALON] penthouse erection part2 school days ["dark.images" ] Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 [Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD HE'S GONNA MAKE ME FEEL SOOOOOOOOOO I'm a country boy and believe me I don't thank God LOL danilone MY GOD and WHAT ABOUT Jethro tull? > > .....anyone else......? > > > Thank God I'm A Country Boy - John Denver > > > Judy (NOT a John Denver fan!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:00:24 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Psalm and performances Kari, I never said he did want to be blasphemous. "If you are in need of help, you are allowed to have hope...if there is something!" Well put. Which is probably why Ferry thought it was worth trying out a song from the point of view of a true believer. After all, it does start out with the word "try"; try on your love; try out your God. The song is as written by a true believer, but the writer might be trying out that position to see how well it fits. This not a blasphemous idea. After the first few lines, Psalm is not at all tentative. It's not someone who thinks there *might* be something in the faith thing, who's *hoping* there might be "something". It's full-on Christian belief. Which is not the personal position of BF, at least not the 1994 BF as indicated by the quote you found. The song could be seen as a committed Christian believer talking to Bryan Ferry. "Bryan, you try on the idea of Jesus as your personal saviour. This is how I see it." Which would not be a surprising thing for a waverer to write. It could also be seen as someone whose belief starts off uncertain, but firms up through time, especially as they find themself "nearing death's vale." Either way, Psalm is less of a mystery to me now than it used to be. And I still like it very much. It's a rich brew, like the Latin mass and all the ritual that is part of both High Anglicanism and Catholicism (not to mention the Orthodox Church). It can be enjoyed form the outside as well as enhancing the experience of a believer "on the inside". Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of kari solberg Sent: 15 July 2001 05:02 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Psalm and performances # 305 - Guy Lawley wrote: ...his mind may have been ticking over something like this: "Admit to not being a Christian... album sales among Mail readers down a good 30 per cent..." Hi Guy, If you are in need of help, you are allowed to have hope...if there is something! BF, in Febr. 1993: "I'm not Mr. Together at all; I'm totally the opposite. I need to be helped getting through the day, for God's sake..." ........so there:-) ...and I still don't think Bryan ever wanted to be blasphemous........! Kari ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:26:23 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) At 17.32 -0400 1-07-14, Peter Seely wrote: >Oh yes, I'm a Roxy fan. The first four albums and Viva are nearly flawless. > >I highly doubt I'm the only one who thinks that Siren was a bit of a dropoff >from those other records. I got into Roxy through Siren, but I must say I stand with Peter here. Siren has it's moments, but I've played Avalon much more then Siren. The first four albums are better, but I enjoy Viva!, and some other 70's recordings, very much. NP Avalon, Avalon version. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:35:16 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD now !!!! At 22.24 -0400 1-07-14, tmoq wrote: >I also like Psalm, particularly the '73 Air Studios version. I don`t think >it was at all out of place and when viewed in the context of it`s time, >there were many blues/gospel/spiritual type/based songs that came out of the >time. Just to name a few: >Bad Company- Don`t Let Me Down >Jesus Is Just Alright- Doobie Brothers >Burn Down The Mission- Elton John >Spirit In the Sky- Norman Greenblaum(sp) >Somebody Up There (Likes Me)- David Bowie > >.....anyone else......? Jesus is just alright My Sweet Lord What is the Eric Clapton one called? Larry Norman did a great album spoofing some of them in the 70's. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:50:45 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Check it out I wote: >>Was it not released in 1973, or am I forgetfull? >> >>Great review of a great album. > Gene replied: >It was recorded in September of '73, probably hit the shelves in early '74. I think we have a UK release year, 1973, and a US release year, 1974. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/interviews/creem74a.html "I've had Here Come the Warm Jets in import copy since early spring, and the best of it still stuns and fries me every time I slap it on." Creem, October 1974, by Lester Bangs http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/be-hctwj.html gives US 1973 as release, http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1381/eno_warm-jets.html gives 1973 NP True to Life. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:31:03 -0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Bryan on TV/Manzanera.com Hi all, Bryan was on TV in the UK on BBC2 last night for a few seconds on a programme called 'I Love 1981'. They were talking about John Lennon and then showed Bryan singing 'Jealous Guy'. Then it showed you Bryan sitting next to a piano saying how they decided to record the song and release the single. He said it was their best selling single. Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to tape it. Did anyone catch it? Also, have you been to Manzanera.com lately. He's got a new section which shows clips of the band from each song. If you go to Out of The Blue you'll see lots of pictures of Lucy Wilkins. I know all you male Roxy fans like Lucy. There's photographs for most of the songs on the concert list. Well, I hope all you US fans will enjoy Roxy. Wish I could be there. Take care, Tracy. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:35:46 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] mail, reece and other things John said: > > > ferry was the true drama queen in the beginning. but he was so beautiful in > 1972 and looks just as good if not better in later years-this guy doesn't get > older. > the striking thing for me was how young he looked then (seen from today, circa 1973), when of course at the time he was nearly thirty. Watching Ferry grow older through the course of the videos made me realise how long the guy has been in my life. As a teaser to Avalon I'd say he looked his very best around the time of Bete Noire, with Mamouna as a close second (that long hair). Philip ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:52:51 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan on TV/Manzanera.com I had taped it in the likelyhood that Roxy would get a mention. What was more surprising was catching a glimpse of Gary Tibbs during the Adam and the Ants part. No longer the blond clean-cut pseudo-punk we remember I can tell you... Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Connell" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: [AVALON] Bryan on TV/Manzanera.com > Hi all, > > Bryan was on TV in the UK on BBC2 last night for a few seconds on a > programme called 'I Love 1981'. They were talking about John Lennon and > then showed Bryan singing 'Jealous Guy'. Then it showed you Bryan sitting > next to a piano saying how they decided to record the song and release the > single. He said it was their best selling single. Unfortunately I didn't > get the chance to tape it. Did anyone catch it? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:29:12 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan on TV/Manzanera.com At 13.52 +0100 1-07-15, Chris Turner wrote: >I had taped it in the likelyhood that Roxy would get a mention. What was >more surprising was catching a glimpse of Gary Tibbs during the Adam and the >Ants part. No longer the blond clean-cut pseudo-punk we remember I can tell >you... An addition to the next bunch of video collections no doubt. NP Hey Jude, The Beatles. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:48:43 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD now !!!! Funkadelic - Maggot Brain (sort of) Bowie - Word on a Wing Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Kaufman" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD now !!!! > Gene writes: > > there were many blues/gospel/spiritual type/based songs that came out of the > > time. Just to name a few: > > Bad Company- Don`t Let Me Down > > Jesus Is Just Alright- Doobie Brothers > > Burn Down The Mission- Elton John > > Spirit In the Sky- Norman Greenblaum(sp) > > Somebody Up There (Likes Me)- David Bowie > > > > .....anyone else......? > > > Thank God I'm A Country Boy - John Denver > > > Judy (NOT a John Denver fan!) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:47:53 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] People Magazine Calls Rufus' Album "Exquisite" gina, maybe you should ask manzanera to play "wild weekend" in your honor. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina" To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] People Magazine Calls Rufus' Album "Exquisite" > > In a message dated 7/14/01 3:11:02 PM, lagrand@excite.com writes: > > > > << Today I read a review by People Mag of > > Rufus Wainwright's new album, Poses. They rate it as "exquisite." >> > > > > NPR did a review of it on "All Things Considered" last week, and they loved > > it. It is also thought highly of on the Richard Thompson list, for what it's > > worth. > > Andrew in Chicago > > Let us not forget to tell the good Avalon folk that Richard's own > progeny is likely to be playing along with Rufus. > > The weekend of the 20th is going to be memorable for me: > > On Friday, I'm supposed to: > > 1) Get Married > 2) See Roxy Music > 3) with Rufus Wainwright opening the show > 4) with Teddy Thompson in his band > > and then on Sunday: > > Eliza Carthy will be playing at the IOTA club in Arlington. > > I'm so glad I'm employed. > > --gina > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:17:12 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] People Magazine Calls Rufus' Album "Exquisite" In a message dated 7/14/01 11:01:11 PM, vinyljunkshoppe@erols.com writes: << On Friday, I'm supposed to: 1) Get Married 2) See Roxy Music 3) with Rufus Wainwright opening the show 4) with Teddy Thompson in his band >> Congrats! I think I speak for the entire Chicago Avalonian Martini Club when I say that we will drink a toast to you today. Mazel Tov! Andrew In Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:21:01 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD now !!!! << there were many blues/gospel/spiritual type/based songs that came out of the > time. Just to name a few: > Bad Company- Don`t Let Me Down > Jesus Is Just Alright- Doobie Brothers > Burn Down The Mission- Elton John > Spirit In the Sky- Norman Greenblaum(sp) > Somebody Up There (Likes Me)- David Bowie >> Remember, this was also the era when Richard and Linda Thompson joined an Islamic Cult in, I think, Norwich. (RT is a mainstream muslim now, 'cult' is his word for that particular organization, btw.) Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:32:45 +0200 From: "the bogus man" Subject: [AVALON] What's the name vir GINA plain? OH GOSH! that kind of marriage? maybe my ladyelectron translator is getting silly! :-))) matrimonio? tanti auguri Gina danitaly XXX > > The weekend of the 20th is going to be memorable for me: > > On Friday, I'm supposed to: > > 1) Get Married > 2) See Roxy Music > 3) with Rufus Wainwright opening the show > 4) with Teddy Thompson in his band > > and then on Sunday: > > Eliza Carthy will be playing at the IOTA club in Arlington. > > I'm so glad I'm employed. > > --gina ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:44:23 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD now !!!! On 15 Jul 2001, at 10:21, AMeyersLD@aol.com wrote: > Remember, this was also the era when Richard and Linda Thompson joined > an Islamic Cult in, I think, Norwich. Can I just add that I've joined a carrot-crunching cult in C21 Norfolk? David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:41:37 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD now !!!! Bowies "The Cygnet Committee" always reminded me of "Psalm", in the way it's strutured and builds and although does not directly come across as a religeous song, it has many religeous references. Anyone up to a bit of throat slitting!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Atterbom To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] no more "Psalm" please !!!! i can see the LORD now !!!! > At 22.24 -0400 1-07-14, tmoq wrote: > >I also like Psalm, particularly the '73 Air Studios version. I don`t think > >it was at all out of place and when viewed in the context of it`s time, > >there were many blues/gospel/spiritual type/based songs that came out of the > >time. Just to name a few: > >Bad Company- Don`t Let Me Down > >Jesus Is Just Alright- Doobie Brothers > >Burn Down The Mission- Elton John > >Spirit In the Sky- Norman Greenblaum(sp) > >Somebody Up There (Likes Me)- David Bowie > > > >.....anyone else......? > > Jesus is just alright > My Sweet Lord > > What is the Eric Clapton one called? > > Larry Norman did a great album spoofing some of them in the 70's. > > Daniel > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan on TV/Manzanera.com I also saw this program - am I correct in saying that "Andrew Newmark" (as he was introduced) was the "Andy Newmark" (Poodle haircut)that had previously played with Roxy. I couldn't quite work it out as he had short hair... Aleks P.S Also liked the fact that Eddie Tempole (Tempole Tudor) was introduced as "Punk Aristocrat" - --- Chris Turner wrote: > I had taped it in the likelyhood that Roxy would get > a mention. > > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tracy Connell" > > Bryan was on TV in the UK on BBC2 last night for a > few seconds on a > > programme called 'I Love 1981'. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Siren (was Serenade/Psalm/bum tracks) - --- Peter Seely wrote: > I guess I'll get some people mad again, but I've > always considered Siren to > be Roxy's most uneven album by far. Suppose we'll have to "agree to disagree" - I think most of the Roxy albums have some sort of "weaker track" Even though I don't rate "Flesh + Blood" and "Avalon" that much now, I'd play them constantly when they we're released and in a daft way they actually flow quite well from start to finish, but somewhat "MOR". Still think that Siren is pretty seamless - not many albums do go well from start to finish - I think Siren does. As does "Lexicon of Love" by ABC.... but I suppose thats another discussion... Aleks Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:25:11 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 I am interested to read of all the weakest track here and weakest track there, but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist whose first FIVE albums, recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were all very nearly perfect. I think not!. Not to mention Four solo albums, ( I might have to be corrected on that one ). ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:21 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: [AVALON] flash photograph Have I developed Roxy Music monomania, or does the American July issue of Vogue look like a cross between Stranded and Country Life? Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:15:29 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 HEAR, HERE! Terry wrote: "I am interested to read of all the weakest track here and weakest track there, but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist whose first FIVE albums, recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were all very nearly perfect. I think not!. Not to mention Four solo albums, ( I might have to be corrected on that one )." ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:26:42 +0100 From: "dark.images" Subject: [AVALON] penthouse erection part2 school days Penthouse:Did you enjoy school? Ferry:Very much,I was offered the role of head boy at one stage on a sort of bribery basis-that was if I got my hair cut.But I valued my hair much more then.It was very long then.It was one of the happiest times ever when I think back,although there was lots of pressures put upon you which I hated at the time-exams coming up and things to work on.Since then I've found much worse things to worry about than that and not so many carefree times.Especially in the sixth form I had a good time because I was doing exactly what I wanted to do.You chose your subjects and I'd chosen art and it was great because I was living in a world of my own.I was very much into what I was into and nobody else to bother me,you know.I'd just sit and read all those romantic poetry books all day with my long hair wafting all around the school.I was just in a world of my own. Penthouse:Was it a mixed school? Ferry:Yes. Penthouse:Is that good? Ferry:I think it's very good personally.It sort of livened things up a bit.There were some very good looking girls in our school,incredible.But they tend to fall off as they get older.Their looks seem to go. Penthouse:Did you lose your viginity at school? Ferry:No.I didn't actually.It was after I left. Penthouse:But you did play doctors and nurses? Ferry:I guess so,I think everybody probaly does,I dont do it now! Penthouse:Has there been a noticeable improvement in the quality of women available to since you started singing? Ferry:Lets put it this way-they're probably more readily available. Penthouse:A different sort of women? Ferry:It's difficult to say because I haven't really gone for one particular type of women anyway ,you see. Penthouse:There's nothing that appeals outright to you,that you must have? Ferry:Usually,yes,it's not such a physical type as a kind of mental type or a personality type if you see what I mean.It's usually a kind of chemical thing,strange as it may seem.I'am very influenced by the way people look.I'am quite a typical Libran in some ways and I like attractive things and I would intrested in say,a girl who was very beautiful but who wasn't a particularly nice person.I haven't that sort of personality at all but I'm very often attracted to Scorpio women .It's that sort of magnetism from them.They're very strong,independent.It'sthe sexiest sort of sign I think or it's reckoned to be.It's just something I've noticed.I'm not an astrology freak,point that out. Penthouse:Do you find you can almost recognise Scorpio women? Ferry:Yes,I can ,exactly, that's what I mean.But I'm obviously attracted to other women as well.I've just noticed that as you do take interest in what your tastes are you try and patronise them. Penthouse:Have you ever been in love? Ferry:Sort of.Well,a couple of times I think.Once when I was at school.This silly schoolboy crush that lasted a year or so and then just a few years ago,just after the time I graduated,and that,must of lasted a couple of years. Penthouse:Did you find it difficult to get over afterwards? Ferry:It's difficult to talk about that one because I still see the person now but on different terms.Obviously time does heal old wounds. Penthouse:Can you have a very passionate affair and then go on and be friends afterwards? Ferry:I find it a very difficult situation.But in this case.obviously it was very difficult because we were so incredibly close.you see,because it was a relationship on lots of different levels and I was very broken up,but I generally prefer that.That's my attitude.Once a love affair is over it's over forever and I'd rather not see that person again. Penthouse:Do you find that when something like that is breaking up,you want to mould the person and change them and force them to love you? Ferry:Well,I'm very much a Svengali character anyway and anybody who I'm with for a long time I always subconsciously try to do it anyway,you know,I usually do it to a point and try and change their character to suit my idea of what I want them to be. Penthouse:Does it work? Ferry:I think so.It has worked.I think people do change anyway,so if you can help them to change into what you want them to be-it's just a way of influencing their tastes I suppose. Penthouse:Have you ever suffered from jealousy? Ferry:I'm a very jealous person but I mean as you get older that does become less important-it really does.I mean,like,I remember being very violently possessive which is very weird masculine trait and when you sit back and rationalise it,it seems totally stupid,because inevitably,one can be in a position of going round screwing-say,you can have a relationship with a girl and you can be going round with lots of other girls at the same time and you can quite happily dismiss them as having fun or just something that's necessary for you,essential for you mental wellbeing or something,and then if you see the girl that that you're having this so called relationship with just talking to another guy or something you can go beserk,and thats always interested me because I use to be like that and I dont think I'm mow so much.Over the last few years I've gradually-perhaps through past experiance-I've consciously made myself really immune to emotion. Penthouse:Perhaps as time goes on you're less likely to get away with it,with more women coming into this Women's lib attitude? Ferry:No,I dont find that so much.I think on the outside it's true but I don't believe that women have changed that much in the last ten years.I can understand that kind of basic attitude because I come from a very basic area,the North East.It's the industrial working class background that I've come out with.I dont really think that it's that different. Penthouse:Now a girl will leave a man more readily because there are more alternatives available? Ferry:She has more opporttunities open to her to exist without a man .But I still think they get very emotionally involved and the man has to really work quite hard at her to get her to leave him. Penthouse: Is it valid to be cruel to a woman to keep her? Ferry:Well,it's a strange sort of contradiction,even the other way round,that if a girl is hard to get or something ,she'll be that much more appealing to you-as anything is.anything which is difficult to get-there's a kind of challenge involved,so if the man is sort of different he's going to be that much interesting when she gets him. PenthouseGirls would rather have a mean guy? Ferry:I think they like to have some kind of mysterious animal ,some mysterious elememt in a man. They don't like to know them to easily,too completly,they don't want you to nice all the time. Next in part 3 Two women? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:57:38 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 At 06:25 PM 7/15/01 +0100, terrypaulrigz8c wrote: > I am interested to read of all the weakest track here and weakest > track there, but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist whose > first FIVE albums, recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were > all very nearly perfect. I think not!. But it's all open to interpretation and/or taste, is it not? Just off the top of my head: The Beatles and The Who certainly had the output, and some big chunk of people would call it nearly perfect from the get go. Bob Dylan did 6 in 4 and hadn't yet slowed down. In similar genre, Phil Ochs did 4 in 4 and simply had his fingers in too many pies to formally release more vinyl. If you omit the first solo "just feeling my way" release, Neil Young solo and with Crazy Horse did it. Or start back with Buffalo Springfield and CSNY, and he still did it. Barely known outside of Germany, but Wolfgang Niedecken and BAP make the grade in my book. John Cale certainly rivaled the amount and quality of output over the same 4 years, though technically wouldn't qualify due to the one 1970 release. And a number of close contenders: David Bowie (5 in 5 1969-73, then another 5 in 4 1974-77) Kate Bush (4 + EP in 5) R.E.M. (5 in 5) The Ramones (4 + Live in 4) Talking Heads (4 in 4) U2 (4 + Live in 5) I've probably only scratched the surface. Was there a point? :-) -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:21:18 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 At 11:57 AM 7/15/01 -0700, William Sommers wrote: [a bunch of stuff, but accidentally hit 'send' before adding...] And don't even think about entering a Frank Zappa fan base with that challenge. -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:29:36 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 At 18.25 +0100 1-07-15, terrypaulrigz8c wrote: >but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist whose first FIVE albums, >recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were all very nearly perfect. I >think not!. The Beatles, Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder after the got the production rights circa 1970 (a bit cheating I know), Miles Davis, Curtis Mayfield, Talking Heads, 10cc, Peter Gabriel, The Eagles, Jackson Browne -- Buffalo Springfield did not release four albums but include Neil Young's first solo albums -- and, to stay on topic, Brian Eno and Phil Manzanera. One might add other acts like Beach Boys, The Who, U2 etc but I am not up familiar enough with them to include them. If you, like William Sommers, take a period of five year we can include several others, David Bowie being the best example, few bad albums between 1970 and 1980 and Simple Minds and Japan after moving to Virgin. The first four Dire Straits were not so bad either come to think of it. I could also add a few Swedish artists but I don't. NP The Bogus Man, Viva! Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:28:27 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 OOPS, Thats put me in my place, I won't even begin to question your MUCH superior knowledge to mine except to take one comparison. The first thing Roxy Music recorded was their first album, the first thing Bowie recorded I am a Bowie fan ), was the Decca stuff, Mr Gravedigger/Laughing Gnome etc, which takes the edge off 1-5 great albums, I think. And now I'm getting cocky, BOY and OCTOBER by U2 are not, I think generally considered Great. All the best in a cowardly way. Terry. - ----- Original Message ----- From: William Sommers To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 > At 06:25 PM 7/15/01 +0100, terrypaulrigz8c wrote: > > > I am interested to read of all the weakest track here and weakest > > track there, but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist whose > > first FIVE albums, recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were > > all very nearly perfect. I think not!. > > But it's all open to interpretation and/or taste, is it not? Just off the > top of my head: > > The Beatles and The Who certainly had the output, and some big chunk of > people would call it nearly perfect from the get go. > > Bob Dylan did 6 in 4 and hadn't yet slowed down. In similar genre, Phil > Ochs did 4 in 4 and simply had his fingers in too many pies to formally > release more vinyl. > > If you omit the first solo "just feeling my way" release, Neil Young solo > and with Crazy Horse did it. Or start back with Buffalo Springfield and > CSNY, and he still did it. > > Barely known outside of Germany, but Wolfgang Niedecken and BAP make the > grade in my book. > > John Cale certainly rivaled the amount and quality of output over the same > 4 years, though technically wouldn't qualify due to the one 1970 release. > > And a number of close contenders: > > David Bowie (5 in 5 1969-73, then another 5 in 4 1974-77) > Kate Bush (4 + EP in 5) > R.E.M. (5 in 5) > The Ramones (4 + Live in 4) > Talking Heads (4 in 4) > U2 (4 + Live in 5) > > I've probably only scratched the surface. Was there a point? :-) > > > -wfs > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:29:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Louis Simone Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 terrypaulrigz8c wrote: I am interested to read of all the weakest track here and weakest track there, but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist whose first FIVE albums, recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were all very nearly perfect. I think not!. Not to mention Four solo albums, ( I might have to be corrected on that one ). I nominate the first 5 Siouxsie and the Banshees albums...I know, the "Lords Prayer" is lame, but hey, it was their first DIY moment!! Nostalgia you know... paulclevo Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 - --- terrypaulrigz8c wrote: > I am interested to read of all the weakest track > here and weakest track there, > but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist > whose first FIVE albums, > recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were > all very nearly perfect. Well it's not a competition.... Anyway - I'd rather listen to Roxy's first FIVE albums (even with all the weak tracks) than any other artist's... although like they say "save the best till last" and we know what the Fifth Roxy album is... Aleks Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:50:12 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 At 20.28 +0100 1-07-15, terrypaulrigz8c wrote: >And now I'm getting cocky, BOY and OCTOBER by U2 are not, I think generally >considered Great. There are people that think that all Oasis' albums are great. I am not on of them. NP In Every Dreamhome an Heartache (my fav Roxy track) from Viva! Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:38:47 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 The point was to point out to the "I don't like (insert your own song title)" on whatever album is as a whole they are great albums. - ----- Original Message ----- From: William Sommers To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 > At 11:57 AM 7/15/01 -0700, William Sommers wrote: > > [a bunch of stuff, but accidentally hit 'send' before adding...] > > And don't even think about entering a Frank Zappa fan base with that challenge. > > > -wfs > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:01:55 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 is what? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Aleks Kocan To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1-5 Give me a Better 1-5 > --- terrypaulrigz8c > wrote: > > I am interested to read of all the weakest track > > here and weakest track there, > > but can ANYONE give me the name of a band/artist > > whose first FIVE albums, > > recorded in FOUR years (take note MR FERRY), were > > all very nearly perfect. > > Well it's not a competition.... > > Anyway - I'd rather listen to Roxy's first FIVE albums > (even with all the weak tracks) than any other > artist's... although like they say "save the best till > last" and we know what the Fifth Roxy album is... > > Aleks > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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