From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #296 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, July 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: RE: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme [Heather ] Re: Fw: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt III) [Heather Buc] Re: [AVALON] OT: DM ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] TIX FOR MILAN ON SALE [jmdillon@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt 1) ["S Clarke" ] [AVALON] Camden ticket [Ida M Miller ] [AVALON] Re; Beat goes on [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] [AVALON] Colleen ["Eman 97" ] [AVALON] Melody Maker 1977-78 [Daniel Atterbom ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:55:44 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme - ---- On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Colleen Matan (cjem@his.com) wrote: > I think it's an interesting comparison, but not necessarily one that can > be carried too far. Ferry's certainly versed in art and art history, > but > I don't see him as doing what he does with those concepts as his driving > force. It's more like they're there in the background, mixing up with > everything else that influences and shapes his work. I think it's easy > to > over-emphasize his training with Richard Hamilton, especially as it > moves > away from "In Every Dreamhome..." > I definitely agree that art wasn't the driving force for Ferry. If it were, he'd be more of a John Cage or a Yoko Ono. Thank god he's more pop than that. I think of them as very modern, but they're certainly about more than just form. > Second, by signing those "ready-mades" and selling them, Duchamp was > deliberately making a provocative political and artistic statement....He had to be laughing at, and not necessarily with, the > people who paid those huge amounts of money for the end result.....Ferry has never had any intention whatsoever of biting the > hand that feeds him, and that opens doors to country homes, private > dinners, and parties (including the one the night before Diana's > wedding). > For what it's worth I think a close correlation could be made between > the > chance music of John Cage (and others) and William Burroughs, > particularly > the way that _Naked Lunch_ was assembled. This is certainly true. Duchamp was on the fringes of culture and didn't really care whether or not he was let "in." Of course, in avant-garde style, his fringe became dead center. I didn't experience RM in the 70's when they were more fringe, so I don't know if they were as unconventional as Duchamp was in the 10's. I have a feeling that they weren't, that they weren't any more shocking than was apporpriate for a pop band. They were also too late for the shocking moment in music (hell, I guess that would make Elvis more Duchampian than RM). >Third, there is a long standing tradition in popular music of >covering > other people's songs. Ferry, unlike Duchamp, didn't invent >this. The > idea of the singer/*songwriter* had limited currency (which >isn't to say > that it didn't exist in folk, bluegrass, country, rockabilly) >until the >1960s, most notably in the public's mind with Bob Dylan. >Prior to that, > and even going forward, many singers were making their bread >and butter > not only singing songs that other people wrote, but >increasingly in the > 60s and 70s (with some hilarious results), covering relatively >recent > songs. Ferry was tapping into a very mainstream current >(although I > certainly admit that what he does to most of his covers is >quite > spectacular and original. Of course, Ferry in his "covers" period was certainly too mainstream for any aspirations to the Duchampian avant-garde. I mean, if his intention to do covers during the 80's was to make an artsy statement, he could have covered something really out of context, like "Gunfight as the OK Corral" with industrial clanging in the background (sorry, I was just listening to that). But Ferry was too subtle and mature by then. He wasn't Blixa. He wasn't Johnny. I think that his Duchampian influence was there, exerting itself in subtlest of ways, as an arts cognoscente hinting about his taste for his rare and cultured tastes. Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:58:40 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt III) Thanks for this Han! Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:59:57 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OT: DM Looks like DM only did 2 songs from their first SIX albums. Imagine if Roxy had that policy... Was it really almost 20 years ago that I heard DM (with Vince Clarke) cover 'The Price Of Love' on their first proper UK tour... Chris Does Hotmail ever work properly BTW? It seems to have a kind of Russian Roulette policy with me... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: [AVALON] OT: DM > >Walking in My SHoes > >Personal Jesus > >Black Celebration > >Never Let Me Down > >In My ARms > >Clean > >In My Room > >Plus (not in any particular order): >The Bottom Line (which Martin switched for Dressed in Black and some other >song at other shows) >Home >Breathe >Dead of Night >When the Body Speaks >Free Love >I Feel Loved >Easy Tiger >It's No Good >Halo >Enjoy the Silence (AWESOME version - the best part of the shows!!!) >I Feel You >Dream On >Sweetest Condition >Waiting for the Night _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:22:24 -0400 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] TIX FOR MILAN ON SALE Cecilia I just reasd your post below.....seems you found out before I did! Were you able to get very good seats / tickets? Regards John Dillon - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: [AVALON] TIX FOR MILAN ON SALE > I've just checked the concerts' site and it seems tickets for the italian gig (september 24th) are already on sale. See page http://www.rockolive.com/info.asp?idc=39055 > Manzanera's site isn't updated yet. > > Price: 55.000 itl (28.405 euro) - 70.000 itl (36.152 euro) plus sale rights. > Anyone wanting to join, please write me privately. > > Do the strand! > > Cecilia in Venice, Italy > ----------------------------------------------------- > > messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva > http://www.supereva.it > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:26:05 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: Re: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt 1) Thanks Han (and Heather) Seems the people on this list sometimes share more than an interest in Roxy/Ferry. I am a voluntary art gallery guide at the National Gallery of Australia and I admire Oldenburg's brilliant vinyl 'Leopard Chair' (1963) whenever I am on duty. Shelley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han Snijders" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Fw: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt 1) > I am for saving interesting mail and delete the others > > > Han > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > Van: Heather Marie Propes > Aan: Avalon > Verzonden: donderdag 20 mei 1999 14:16 > Onderwerp: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt 1) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:55:56 +0300 From: "kari solberg" Subject: [AVALON] Videos received Norway, Monday: Got my vids too! Hurraaaaaaaa!!! Kari ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:45:18 -0700 From: Ida M Miller Subject: [AVALON] Camden ticket I have an extra ticket for the Tweeter Center show in Camden, New Jersey on July 19th. Section 104 Row C Seat 17 $70.75 or thereabouts E-mail me off-list, if interested. Ida ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:09:24 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re; Beat goes on Thanks Heather,(webgal) This is Roxy Music, arrived today. Job well done. Like Christmas in July when pkgs, arrive with good things in them. Bless all who help make these nice gifts available by doing the extra work that we all may have a little bit more to add to our personal Ferry-Roxy archive. Hat's off for your endeavor. Marlana............................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:54:10 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] Colleen Gee, Colleen, quite Roxy of you... ...If It Takes All Night. >Oh here it comes again >That old ennui >I hope it won4t stay long Well it4s every-man to his own thing And every singer to his song If you4re feeling low And all upset Nothing's going right You just make a wish Like in a fairy tale >And I4ll bewitch you >If it takes all night >There are many things >That I could say >To try and comfort you But I know the words you4d like to hear Are simply "I love you" >Sometimes I4m up >Sometimes I4m down A topsy-turvy life But only searching For the truth And I4ll find it If it takes all night long Well I myself May main concern Is what I can afford So if music be my mistress Then at least she4s Madame Claude...d4accord Ah - more champagne! To lose this pain Would be very nice So I4ll help myself to one more drink >And I4ll find myself >If it takes all night long E.G. Music Ltd ) 1974 Hmmm. An ennui over comes the singer. One he hopes won't stay long. He'll "bewitch" her, if it takes all night. "Bewitch," it is a love song, no? "I know the words you4d like to hear Are simply "I love you." The singer is comforting a woman he is trying to bewitch and failing, due to an ennui that has over come him.* A woman he's attained by making a wish? Hmmmm. Sometimes he's up, sometimes he's down. Hmmmm. Failing to "bewitch," he must be "down..." Hmmm. Needing to comfort the woman for an ennui that has overcome him, for not being able to find himself, for "sometimes being up, sometimes being down..." Hmmmm. He'll keep trying to find himself....if it takes all night? Hmmmm. What would he be trying to find for this woman he is failing to bewitch??? For this woman whom he is sometimes up and sometimes down? More champagne? I think not. A movie? I think not. It is all very tongue in cheek. Multi entendre. Lyric machine failing to find his muse? A Love song? Romeo failing to find himself? Depression lament? Party time induced impotence, lament? Certainly not the cinema imagery of a 2HB or Three And Nine. There's also a slant that the female is a prostitute...make a wish...afford/Madame Claude...noted madame to luminaries story). Yes there were movies made on Madame Claude, the song was done in 74, the movie in 77, don't know the origin of the Madame Claude saga, off hand and ain't gonna hunt for it, anyone - ? Ferry loved to write lyrics that meant different things on different levels and could have multiple interpetations. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:03:32 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Melody Maker 1977-78 I spent the year 1977-78 as an exchange student in the US. Almost every Saturday I took the bus down to Portland's centre from suburbs to buy Melody Maker. When I went home I unfortunatly had to leave my copies behind. Do any of you have Melody Maker 1977-78 and can scan Brian Eno's Eight Days a Week column and the interview with Manzanera och MacCormick re Listen Now, I would be grateful to re-read them 20 years later. Regards Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #296 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest