From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #293 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, July 8 2001 Volume 06 : Number 293 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] testing testing [Avalon887@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Re : The Sirens ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Spanish article now translated ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] students ["A.L. Jepson" ] RE: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme ["Guy Lawley"] REPLY-REMODEL: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme & Jack Kirby again ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! [roxylia@freemail.it ()] Re: [AVALON] bryanferryroxymusic.com [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry, move over! [roxylia@freemail.it ()] Re: [AVALON] bryanferryroxymusic.com ["Bryan O Connor" ] Re: [AVALON] NY Meet-ups [Avalon887@aol.com] [AVALON] thank you! [Heather Buch ] [AVALON] the modern sound, another delay [Heather Buch Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re : The Sirens Your memory does serve, Mr R. I too owned a copy of First Flight (some time back!). All I can remember about their version of Dudes is the lines My brother stays home With his Beatles and his Stones.... being changed to: ...his Bowie and his Stones... which amused self and pals at the time! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Johnny Reece Sent: 07 July 2001 12:27 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re : The Sirens Somewhere, in the darkest reaches of the cellar at home, I've got The Chanter Sisters 'First Flight' Album. As well as the mini-hit 'Sideshow', it contains a rather bizarre version of 'All The Young Dudes', if memory serves. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:10:28 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Spanish article now translated Thanks for that, Ignacio. It just struck me that Santiago de Compostela used to be a big (as in massive!) pilgrimage destination; it was the basis of the wealth of the city and the reason for thge cathedral's magnificence. And now the city attracts Roxy Music pilgrims from all across Spain! The secular humanist in me finds that amusing. The cathedral *is* pretty amazing, even to a cynical old atheist like me! I saw it last summer. My favourite part, though, is the rude medieval statuary! Sinners in hell suffering the torments of the flesh for all eternity. Wicked! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ignacio Peyrs Sent: 07 July 2001 13:49 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: Spanish article now translated I have translated the article, as Miss Whateley asked for.... ROXY MUSIC SAVOURED THE TASTE OF SANTIAGO NIGHT IN THE ONLY GIG THEY OFFERED IN SPAIN "It is the most beautiful cathedral I have seen in my life". That was said by Bryan Ferry, leaderman of Roxy Music, about Roxy's visit to Santiago, where they performed their only concert scheduled for Spain in their reunion after 18 years of silence. etc. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:08:16 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re; Soap opera Yes, Coleen did see Ferry in the French soap , but as we all know that wasn't acting! But he could learn. Marlana........................................ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:20:16 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Spanish Picture & Article Wow! Thanks for that, Theresa! "...un espectaculo de luz y sonido ticnicamente impecable." Sounds complimentary. But doesn't "Brian" look grumpy at the airport. Probably anticipating another mispelling of his name in the media! Ignacio, enlighten us... what does hemeroteca mean? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Theresa Fagan another one from La Voz de Galicia http://www.lavozdegalicia.com/hemeroteca/noticia.jsp?AT=106&TEXTO=637811&txt Dia=29&txtMes=6&txtAnho=2001 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:30:02 +0200 From: "sjaak" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] testing testing Received your mail. Sjaak (from Holland/The Netherlands) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:33:01 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! Tickets for the Ulan Baatar show now on sale at: http://www.GKhan-onmylifeguvtheyrekosher-possessionofticketdoenotguaranteene try-abranchofTicketmeister/htm/Roxy I have four front row seats for sale at original price due to unforeseen circumstances. Mail me off-list. Cash only please. Guy PS: is this strictly PC? PPS: or can Mac users join in? - -----Original Message----- The new tour dates: 23rd of September: Nuuk, Greenland 24th of September: Ulan Baatar, Mongolia 25th of September: Penguin Cafe, Antarctica Anybody going??? Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:31:56 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] students No thanks. I hardly ever got involved with any studenty things. Alan Rachel Smither wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: > To: avalon digest > Date: 06 July 2001 21.32 > Subject: [AVALON] students > > does the student want any jokes for the rag mag???????????? > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:01:04 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme Peutetre. But it remains possible that Ferry's talk of "ready-mades" (aka cover versions) is something of a smokescreen... possibly a conceptual joke in its own right. It doesn't really compute if one tries to take it seriously... for starters, a "ready-made" cover would actually be the original recording with Ferry's (or R.Mutt's) name on it. Not a new version. And BF has also admitted that he did covers partly to learn how conventional songwriters structured their work, his own style being so unconventional (and uncommercial, maybe?). Also an album of covers has a chance of selling to fans of the originals as well as one's own fans. No-one's in the pop music business solely to gratify their own artistic impulses, n'est ce pas? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Heather Buch Bryan Ferry, conceptualist or covers artist? I was thinking about one of Ferry's choices of album titles - The Bride Stripped Bare, in relation to Ferry's choice to do cover songs throughout his solo career, and his relationship with Richard Hamilton. Marcel Duchamp was one of the great modern artists of the 20th century. He was believed to be the "inventor" of conceptualism, creating works that were intended to be perceived both visually and as concepts, as early as the turn of the century.... .....The ready-mades were a good example, a snow shovel or a toilet (fountain) picked from a store window and signed by Duchamp, symbolized the arbitraryness of the art object as an invention... I just wonder how much Ferry's choice to do covers, was a conscious decision, influenced by Duchamp, to challenge the idea of the artist as a creator of originals - a delay in sound. Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:03:17 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: REPLY-REMODEL: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme & Jack Kirby again Reply no.2: a delay in text Just realised, thinking of Richard Hamilton and his masterpiece "Just What Is It That Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing?"... there is a Jack Kirby connection here, via that picture, to Roxy/Ferry. The picture on the wall of the Dreamhome in "Just What Is...?" shows the cover of a Young Romance comic. Kirby co-created Young Romance in 1947 (and in doing so launched a huge boom in this completely new type of comic, spawning scores of imitators, many lasting through to the 70s). The pic in "Just What Is It....?" doesn't actually look like a Kirby to me; lots of artists worked on the comic. But it's in the Kirby house style. I rest my case. And/or valise. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Heather Buch Sent: 06 July 2001 21:38 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme Bryan Ferry, conceptualist or covers artist? I was thinking about one of Ferry's choices of album titles - The Bride Stripped Bare, in relation to Ferry's choice to do cover songs throughout his solo career, and his relationship with Richard Hamilton. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:08:39 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] students On 8 Jul 2001, at 12:31, A.L. Jepson wrote: > I hardly ever got involved with any studenty things. Apart from being a student, presumably? David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:35:22 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! At 12.33 +0100 1-07-08, Guy Lawley wrote: >http://www.GKhan-onmylifeguvtheyrekosher-possessionofticketdoenotguaranteene >try-abranchofTicketmeister/htm/Roxy Sorry that URl is not working. Strictly no sale. :-) NP Wilson Philips Daniel (yes it's a favorite of mine) Daniel "Almost two decades after they kissed their past goodnight, Roxy Music are still, effortlessly, the sound of the future." Sarah Dempster, NME June 2001. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:39:05 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: REPLY-REMODEL: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme & Jack Kirby again At 13.03 +0100 1-07-08, Guy Lawley wrote: >Just realised, thinking of Richard Hamilton and his masterpiece "Just What >Is It That Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing?"... there is a >Jack Kirby connection here, via that picture, to Roxy/Ferry. > >The picture on the wall of the Dreamhome in "Just What Is...?" shows the >cover of a Young Romance comic. Kirby co-created Young Romance in 1947 (and >in doing so launched a huge boom in this completely new type of comic, >spawning scores of imitators, many lasting through to the 70s). > >The pic in "Just What Is It....?" doesn't actually look like a Kirby to me; >lots of artists worked on the comic. But it's in the Kirby house style. > >I rest my case. And/or valise. Guy, Grant et al, from a Ferry/Roxy perspective Kirby is the tops, the cat's pyjamarama. Carl Barks is merely the bogus man, sorry duck man. NP Joe Cocker, Sorry seems to be the hardest word (really) Daniel "Almost two decades after they kissed their past goodnight, Roxy Music are still, effortlessly, the sound of the future." Sarah Dempster, NME June 2001. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:43:23 +0100 From: "anotherphotographer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] testing testing BOO!! VIVA ROXY - -- - --- Original Message ----- From: Heather Buch To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:47 AM Subject: [AVALON] testing testing > I'm sorry to do this to you, but could someone just reply to let > me know that this got to the list? I've been having problems for > a couple of weeks now, and I still don't know if I'm being > heard. > > Thanks, > > Heather > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:25:23 EDT From: Artman1@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry, move over! Hi all, Yesterday, my neighborhood was having little barbecue and part of the entertainment included good ol' karaoke. Naturally, when I'm anywhere where karaoke is available, the first thing I do is check the book for Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music tunes since, at least in my car or at home, I feel I can sing them reasonably well. Not totally expecting to actually see any I checked the book and lo and behold! Virginia Plain and Love is the Drug! I decided for my debut at the barbecue I would do Virginia Plain. All I needed was a few beers and enough time to find the kahones to actually do it! Since I hadn't listened to Virginia Plain in a while, I decided to sneak back home to listen to the CD once just for good measure. After all, since BF and RM have given me a lot of listening pleasure over the years, I thought I owed it to them to the best I could to do their song justice! Finally, after about an hour (maybe more), I went up to the mic for my shot at neighborhood stardom. VP is one of those songs I've always sung along with but never really studied the lyrics for so I didn't have all of the lyrics memorized. Because I was following the monitor, the phrasing got screwed up on a couple of occasions. Also, because I was very nervous, my voice wasn't as relaxed as it would be if were by myself! But, apparently, it didn't go that bad. I guess that one good thing about going with VP was that no one except me had ever heard it! Everyone said that I sounded good, but I would've needed some of you there to validate that claim! Anyway, I was convinced that I sounded like crap. You know what your recorded voice sounds like, after all! Lacking any self-confidence, I kept asking peoples opinions and no one had anything bad to say (hopefully not out of politeness). So I said what the hell, and a few beers later did Love is the Drug! That one I felt a lot better about, probably because all those beers help put me in the zone! People, of course, were more familiar with LITD, and said I sounded just like the song! Although the karaoke man was out of BF\RM tunes at that point, my self-confidence had risen a little more by then so I ended up doing the Doors' LA Woman and the Beatles' Here Comes the Sun, both of which I got more compliments for! In karaoke's heyday, back in the early 90's, I did Jealous Guy once at a bar, so maybe that will resurface one of these days! In the meantime, if Bryan Ferry needs someone to fill in for him....IT SURE AS HELL WON'T BE ME!!! Art ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:35:22 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] re: NY concerts Anyone who will be going to concert on 7/23 and is interested in meeting pre-show email me off -list. I'm uncertain as to whether or not I will be going on the 24th . :-) Eileen in Kew Gardens, NY email me at Avalon887@aol.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:53:32 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] students Yes, apart from being a student of course. I can't help that for the moment. Alan David Squires wrote: > > On 8 Jul 2001, at 12:31, A.L. Jepson wrote: > > > I hardly ever got involved with any studenty things. > > Apart from being a student, presumably? > > David > -- > David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 2001 16:46:30 -0000 From: roxylia@freemail.it () Subject: Re: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! Hey Christian!!! 24th September is a date a lot of italian are waiting for - ALSO BITTE!!! I think you got your dates mixed up. Ulan Bataar must be on the 27th of September, as I've heard they will play in Vladivostok, which is very close, on the 28th. I'm going to both. There's a seat free in my car, so that I could offer a Mitfahrtsgelegenheit from Venice. ;-) Cecilia in Venice Christian wrote: >The new tour dates: >23rd of September: Nuuk, Greenland >24th of September: Ulan Baatar, Mongolia >25th of September: Penguin Cafe, Antarctica > >Anybody going??? > >Christian - ----------------------------------------------------- messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva http://www.supereva.it - ----------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:52:28 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferryroxymusic.com Bryan, Two thumbs up. Your hard work has paid off. New RM sites are always welcome. I'd like to add your site to the links section of my Roxy site at http://clik.to/roxy if you don't mind. Cheers, David (patiently waiting for August) *** - --- Bryan O Connor wrote: > Avalonians, > > After months of messing around with pc's, vhs & > other software > www.bryanferryroxymusic.com is able to bring you the > beginnings of what I hope > will be an in depth Roxy/ferry audio visual archive. > > through snippets from live shows, tv performances > and videos, I will attempt > to chronicle the career of Roxy/ferry through the > years. Hopefully this will > give great pleasure to fans who may be able to see > footage they never thought > they would. Although this footage will be of an > inferior quality to vhs/dvd > and for copyright reasons, short in duration, it > will go beyond words in > describing some magical moments. > > I have started with some music laden (German Grey > Whistle test from 1970's) > footage from the early 70's together with a > fascinating interview from 1994 > where Ferry discusses Mamouna. I also have an > interview and two tracks > recorded live at the bbc on the later with Jools > Holland show in 1999. > > There are many tremendous sites with Roxy info now, > unlike a few years back. > And I have found out that my roxy knowledge wouldn't > touch that of some on > this list, so why preach my inferior knowledge to a > superior bunch? > > But what I do know is that since I was in my teens I > have been staying up to > the early hours, scanning the web and building up a > sizable quantity of audio > visual material. I am sure there will be something > on the site that the most > avid of fans have missed particularly the US fanbase > who have been deprived to > say the least. > > So heres to my little idea. hope you like it. Mail > me with any questions/ > ideas and heres a snippet of whats coming in the > near future: > > YOU WILL NEED REAL PLAYER TO VIEW THE SITE. THIS > CAN BE DOWNLOADED FREE AT > www.realnetworks.com > > Also, it may take a while for non isdn browsers to > view the videos but its > worth the wait. > > The Top Of The Pops Special 2001 > > More Music Laden footage from the early 70's > > Snippets from the 1978 manifesto tour at the > Manchester Apollo. > > Snippets from the great Total Recall Video > > regards > Bryan > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 2001 16:53:59 -0000 From: roxylia@freemail.it () Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry, move over! This actually reminds me af a similar experience made by John O'BrienFerry, which though didn't turn out the same way, if I remember correctly! At 09.25 08/07/01 EDT, Artman1@aol.com wrote: >Yesterday, my neighborhood was having little barbecue and part of the >entertainment included good ol' karaoke. [...] >I decided for my debut at the barbecue I would do Virginia Plain. Cecilia in Venice, Italy - ----------------------------------------------------- messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva http://www.supereva.it - ----------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:11:27 +0100 From: "Bryan O Connor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferryroxymusic.com No problem David...Thanks regards Bryan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Firmin" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferryroxymusic.com > Bryan, > Two thumbs up. Your hard work has paid off. New RM > sites are always welcome. > > I'd like to add your site to the links section of my > Roxy site at http://clik.to/roxy if you don't mind. > > Cheers, > David (patiently waiting for August) > > *** > > --- Bryan O Connor wrote: > > Avalonians, > > > > After months of messing around with pc's, vhs & > > other software > > www.bryanferryroxymusic.com is able to bring you the > > beginnings of what I hope > > will be an in depth Roxy/ferry audio visual archive. > > > > through snippets from live shows, tv performances > > and videos, I will attempt > > to chronicle the career of Roxy/ferry through the > > years. Hopefully this will > > give great pleasure to fans who may be able to see > > footage they never thought > > they would. Although this footage will be of an > > inferior quality to vhs/dvd > > and for copyright reasons, short in duration, it > > will go beyond words in > > describing some magical moments. > > > > I have started with some music laden (German Grey > > Whistle test from 1970's) > > footage from the early 70's together with a > > fascinating interview from 1994 > > where Ferry discusses Mamouna. I also have an > > interview and two tracks > > recorded live at the bbc on the later with Jools > > Holland show in 1999. > > > > There are many tremendous sites with Roxy info now, > > unlike a few years back. > > And I have found out that my roxy knowledge wouldn't > > touch that of some on > > this list, so why preach my inferior knowledge to a > > superior bunch? > > > > But what I do know is that since I was in my teens I > > have been staying up to > > the early hours, scanning the web and building up a > > sizable quantity of audio > > visual material. I am sure there will be something > > on the site that the most > > avid of fans have missed particularly the US fanbase > > who have been deprived to > > say the least. > > > > So heres to my little idea. hope you like it. Mail > > me with any questions/ > > ideas and heres a snippet of whats coming in the > > near future: > > > > YOU WILL NEED REAL PLAYER TO VIEW THE SITE. THIS > > CAN BE DOWNLOADED FREE AT > > www.realnetworks.com > > > > Also, it may take a while for non isdn browsers to > > view the videos but its > > worth the wait. > > > > The Top Of The Pops Special 2001 > > > > More Music Laden footage from the early 70's > > > > Snippets from the 1978 manifesto tour at the > > Manchester Apollo. > > > > Snippets from the great Total Recall Video > > > > regards > > Bryan > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:25:48 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dance With Life video... Who is the model embracing Bryan at the end of the video and does her mother know shes out with an ageing rock star? Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:50:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] La Mariee Mise A Nu Par Ses Celibataires, Meme Heather wrote: > .....The ready-mades were a good example, a snow shovel or a toilet > (fountain) picked from a store window and signed by Duchamp, > symbolized the arbitraryness of the art object as an invention... > > I just wonder how much Ferry's choice to do covers, was a conscious > decision, influenced by Duchamp, to challenge the idea of the artist > as a creator of originals - a delay in sound. In response, Guy wrote: > Peutetre. But it remains possible that Ferry's talk of "ready-mades" > (aka cover versions) is something of a smokescreen... possibly a > conceptual joke in its own right. It doesn't really compute if one > tries to take it seriously... for starters, a "ready-made" cover would > actually be the original recording with Ferry's (or R.Mutt's) name on > it. Not a new version. And BF has also admitted that he did covers > partly to learn how conventional songwriters structured their work, > his own style being so unconventional (and uncommercial, maybe?). Also > an album of covers has a chance of selling to fans of the originals as > well as one's own fans. No-one's in the pop music business solely to > gratify their own artistic impulses, n'est ce pas? I think it's an interesting comparison, but not necessarily one that can be carried too far. Ferry's certainly versed in art and art history, but I don't see him as doing what he does with those concepts as his driving force. It's more like they're there in the background, mixing up with everything else that influences and shapes his work. I think it's easy to over-emphasize his training with Richard Hamilton, especially as it moves away from "In Every Dreamhome..." Second, by signing those "ready-mades" and selling them, Duchamp was deliberately making a provocative political and artistic statement, for because of his fame and desirability amongst collectors, it was his signature which made those items suddenly valuable--his handwritten name as signifier. He had to be laughing at, and not necessarily with, the people who paid those huge amounts of money for the end result. Ferry cannot imprint the same sort of signature on the song, nor even if he could would it have quite these intrinsic value as Duchamp's did. Furthermore, Ferry has never had any intention whatsoever of biting the hand that feeds him, and that opens doors to country homes, private dinners, and parties (including the one the night before Diana's wedding). For what it's worth I think a close correlation could be made between the chance music of John Cage (and others) and William Burroughs, particularly the way that _Naked Lunch_ was assembled. Third, there is a long standing tradition in popular music of covering other people's songs. Ferry, unlike Duchamp, didn't invent this. The idea of the singer/*songwriter* had limited currency (which isn't to say that it didn't exist in folk, bluegrass, country, rockabilly) until the 1960s, most notably in the public's mind with Bob Dylan. Prior to that, and even going forward, many singers were making their bread and butter not only singing songs that other people wrote, but increasingly in the 60s and 70s (with some hilarious results), covering relatively recent songs. Ferry was tapping into a very mainstream current (although I certainly admit that what he does to most of his covers is quite spectacular and original. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:16:57 +0100 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! I have the heads of the four people sitting in the front row. For "souvenirs" ("And look at the astonished expression in his face; he probably believed he was going to get to see that Roxy show, hahar"), mail me off-list. Thrash only please. Yours truly, Gengis - ---------- >Von: "Guy Lawley" >An: >Betreff: RE: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! >Datum: Son, 8. Jul 2001 12:33 Uhr > >Tickets for the Ulan Baatar show now on sale at: > >http://www.GKhan-onmylifeguvtheyrekosher-possessionofticketdoenotguaranteene >try-abranchofTicketmeister/htm/Roxy > >I have four front row seats for sale at original price due to unforeseen >circumstances. Mail me off-list. Cash only please. > >Guy > >PS: is this strictly PC? >PPS: or can Mac users join in? > >-----Original Message----- > >The new tour dates: >23rd of September: Nuuk, Greenland >24th of September: Ulan Baatar, Mongolia >25th of September: Penguin Cafe, Antarctica > >Anybody going??? > >Christian > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:17:42 +0100 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! Oh Entschuldigung Cecilia, I really got it mixed up. Are you sure about the Vladivostok date though? According to reports I have overheard that due to the immense public demand the Vladivostok show will be moved to an open air venue in Petrapavlovsk-Kamchatskiy near the Bering Sea. A good omen is that the new Roxy "best of" went platinum there - it sold four copies, one to beat the fish dead. If the seat is still free, I'd be happy to join you for the journey. Don't forget the coat! All the best, Christian - ---------- >Von: roxylia@freemail.it () >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Achtung Stuttgart! >Datum: Son, 8. Jul 2001 17:46 Uhr > >Hey Christian!!! >24th September is a date a lot of italian are waiting for - ALSO BITTE!!! >I think you got your dates mixed up. Ulan Bataar must be on the 27th of >September, as I've heard they will play in Vladivostok, which is very >close, on the 28th. >I'm going to both. There's a seat free in my car, so that I could offer a >Mitfahrtsgelegenheit from Venice. >;-) > >Cecilia in Venice > >Christian wrote: >>The new tour dates: >>23rd of September: Nuuk, Greenland >>24th of September: Ulan Baatar, Mongolia >>25th of September: Penguin Cafe, Antarctica >> >>Anybody going??? >> >>Christian > >----------------------------------------------------- > >messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva >http://www.supereva.it > >----------------------------------------------------- > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:52:19 -0700 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] Eman Just saying "hi" to those who remember me. I took a break from the list for a while, while cutting back various email accounts etc. Roxy Rule! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:38:26 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] NY Meet-ups In a message dated 7/7/01 3:58:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lebonster@hotmail.com writes: > What type of food? > > M <---- vegetarian > I really don't know but my guess is it's continental cuisine - I think you can get anything. Eileen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:54:45 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: [AVALON] thank you! A hearty handshake and a HI-HO SILVER to all who answered my test. I rejoined via webmail, but still wasn't sure if my messages were getting through because of the way the addressing is done in my new program. But it seems fine. THANKS AGAIN!! Heather (who now knows she's not calling into the darkness) ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:09:39 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: [AVALON] the modern sound, another delay And here's one more on art. Sorry if it's a bit out of context. I actually tried to send this a couple of weeks ago, in response to a posting asking for examples of fine arts movements in RM's work, and before all my email trouble. Thanks! ____________________________________________ Yes, Ferry's bond to the arts is as strong as the bond between the dried Cheerio-and-banana splatter collage that my son creates daily on our hardwood floor... Virginia Plain is a song about the American pop experience. It is, as the liner notes in my "The Thrill of it All" box set quote Ferry - "It was a sort of throwaway watercolour. It reflects the feeling of that time...an American dream type of thing. Dreaming of going to New York and living in a loft and painting...The face of the girl in the painting was based on one of Warhol's superstars at the time - Baby Jane Holzer - who used to have this amazing huge hairdo. It's about driving down the freeway, passing cigarette ads on vast billboards. And Las Vegas casinos... Lyrically the song is the best thing I've ever done, but not the easiest to follow because there are lots of little ideas and bits of ideas that link up for me, but maybe not for anyone else..I used to have a Studebaker...and the first verse is about our lawyer...I'd have liked to re-do the painting as a cover for our single, but I didn't have the time" It sounds like a lyrical version of a Warhol or a Rauschenberg (please forgive my spelling errors. I'm doing this from memory and I should have gone to bed a long time ago) To me, Roxy has always represented the "Shock" of modernism. I don't mean the art of today, I mean old, outdated passe modernism, turn of the century to about the 60's. I don't see estoteric conceptualism in Roxy Music. There are no Bruce Nauman plaster casts, nor are there Lawrence Weiner spray-painted dots or Baldessari words on canvas. No antiquated traditionalism or post-modern questioning of originality. For better or for worse, I see Ferry and company celebrating bold, brash, shocking and glitzy modernism and mass culture, the crest of the wave of high capitalism, co-opting 1000's of years of western culture, either in parody or admiration. Aside from Virginia Plain, I see so many aspects of the first half of 20th century culture in Roxy Music: "The Strand", a musical journey through western history with many obscure cultural references. Could this be a European sister to Virginia Plain? Their name - Roxy Music - which for me evokes movie palaces with all of their "filigree fancy" splendor, and the feeling of anticipation for the future, as well as longing that must have come with those big ornate shells, aping as opera houses and inappropriately housing non-performances that could just as well have taken place in dark caves. Also, other Roxy songs such as "Three and Nine" or "If it Takes All Night," refer to "a trip to the movies," a chance to get away from it all and dream on the silver screen, the quintessential experience of escapism that defined the modern era. The album covers, from the first to Manifesto, each one a scene of surreal, plastic glamour. No images, aside from those of photographer Helmut Newton, who must have inspired these covers, have ever given me such a feeling for what life amongst the idle classes of Europe during the 70's must have been. "Manifesto" - the album inspired by Claes Oldenberg's treatise on pop art (Oldenberg's text can be found in an old archived message from me, I don't have time to go looking for it now), "I am for an art." Also, the general feeling of "the new man" of Russian revolutions that is produced by Manifesto, the naive optimistic futurism of Kandinsky and Vladimir Tatlin, combined with the sadness of loss of old, classical culture. Country Life/"Bittersweet" - yes, cabaret, Kurt Weill and Weimar Republic. The bitter song and dance of a corrupt and decadent history. The Bride Stripped Bare - the name says it all, a tribute (or at least a reference) to Duchamp, the turn of the century grandfather of all things modern. Duchamp, the all-time shocker who brought New York to it's knees when they wanted a nude descending a staircase and got a toilet seat. The connection between Roxy Music and Richard Hamilton is interesting, as Hamilton was the one who translated much of Duchamp's writing into English. And yet, even with all of this heady modernism and mass culture, all of this modernist ennui for the old cultural guard, I sometimes hear about Roxy Music in the context of Arthurian legend. This I don't understand at all. What in the world is neo-Arthurian about Roxy Music? I understand that there were other 70's bands that played off a sort of fantasy, medieval image - maybe Jethro Tull or Iron Maiden, but Roxy Music? C'EST MODERNE! As Guillaume Apollinaire said in 1912: E "The modern school of painting seems to me the most audacious that has ever appeared. It has posed the question of what is beautiful in itself" Heather Marie Buch hmbuch@mit.edu ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #293 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest