From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #248 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, June 23 2001 Volume 06 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Live trades. [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re; Richard's review ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Live trades. ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] OT Kirby... (with Ferry refs!) ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] Roxy /Trower ["PeteK" ] Re: [AVALON] Jet Cover, Jack Kirby & DC [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree. [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree, no content [AMeyersLD@aol.com] [AVALON] Live trades. ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] cds and video tapes ["Rachel Smither" ] RE: [AVALON] Wembley 23/06/01 ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] Wow. [lorelei@zoom.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree. [jmdillon@mindspring.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:01:57 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades. I totally agree with Colleen. Specifically, since their existence has been publicly broadcast on our list, tree the recordings. The best audio on each number played during the tour, and the best audio/visual available would do nicely. KBP [[[[[[ On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, thom.wallace wrote: > If anyone has obtained audience recordings from the tour and wish to > arrange trades for recordings for other shows please e-mail me off > list. So far I have recordings from:> > Dublin (audio) > Glasgow (audio) > Newcastle (audio & Video) > Manchester (audio & Video) Now that many of us are so delighted to learn what is and what may be available out there, I think it'd be brilliant if these audio versions were also made available to the list via a CD tree. I don't presume to speak for others, but I suspect it'd be very welcome indeed, especially amongst the folks who won't be able to see one of the reunion shows. Obviously duplicating all of them isn't feasible, but certainly the ones worth treeing would distinguish themselves by the audio quality, setlist, and/or historic importance. And since it's not like copying material which has been commercially released as a discrete product, it falls within the guidelines Gene has so kindly drawn up. Others' thoughts? Colleen ]]]]] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:10:02 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re; Richard's review To Marlana, I was at both Birmingham dates last weekend, and very fine they were too. they lasted about 1hour 50mins (which I thought was a bit on the short side then). I do think that given there is no album proper to promote that they could have done a two part set each lasting about 1hour 10 mins, split into the two Roxy phases, this would have allowed Phil, Andy and the others to flex their musical muscles a bit more, ie: to perform ITIS as the version on VIVA!. Still it was fab and they have never sounded better live. - ----- Original Message ----- From: M.M.K. To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re; Richard's review > Richard, first let me thank you for an overall honest review of the > concert. So many leave out ( many empty seats ), Not every single > concert can always be a sell out. From sitting across the pond with > anticipation of what will go on here. I know, not every song will be > heard but it gets interesting as they go as what songs are dropped & > what is added. " Song For Europe" may be dropped for the US. which I > will regret. The reason I think this; I wanted to hear this live by > Ferry last time I saw him but it was not to be heard.( shame to ) > Another thing you pointed out -- people standing for the entire show. > Now , I know if you bought a ticket thinking you had a seat & had to > stand. There would be a lot of unhappy souls upset because they had to > stand.--- On the other hand if one wants to dance , dance when the need > is there. Not every number requires a dance. You can still move to the > beat from a seated position. There are places here for concerts ( arenas > ) where down on the floor, if you purchase a ticket for the floor it's a > guarantee for dancing. At least you get the choice to be there are in > seats back up a way. Too many times the floor is hot , & you have to > look up to the stage. So really those on the floor when One stands to > dance everyone does or the people back can't see. But all who purchase > seating there know what their in for. I think if you want to dance which > I like to do ,as long as you don't hinder someone's view, then by all > means dance. ---I was at a Ottmar Libert , a great guitarist concert. > Well someone did block my view by standing ( inappropriate ) & I tapped > them on the shoulder & asked them would they please sit down this was > not a Rock concert. They did with no remark whatsoever, this was like a > stage show where something on stage was happening all the time . I paid > big money to see it & sure as hell wanted to see it all. I believe > there's a time & place for everything & one hopes that discretion is > used. Everyone these days are paying big bucks to see a gig. > Marlana........................................................ > PS - Hoping no more songs will be dropped. I don't believe anyone has > said how long the Roxy concert lasts. 11/2 hrs. 2hrs. Would someone > give. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:22:29 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree. Then why the hell did you post the existence of these new boots on an internet mailing list? You've rocks for brains, Thom. Do your stuff OFF-LIST if it is meant to be private and not shared with list members. Your actions just add fuel to the on-list bickering that your 'friend' abhors. BTW, just who did you hope to attract with your public offer to trade, what will you accept in trade as return??? K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:23:42 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades. - ----- Original Message ----- From: A.L. Jepson To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades. > Which one has the best sound quality? Newcastle & Manchester cheers, tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:34:29 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] OT Kirby... (with Ferry refs!) >It's easy to win this argument. The Ducks comics sell more copies per week >in Scandinavia (with a population of 20 millions), 131,600 copies in Sweden >alone, then most monthly American comic books do in the States. That is 4 x >131,600 = 526,400 copies of the Donald Duck weekly a month in Sweden, a >country with less then 9 million people. Few American comic books outsell >that in a market that is about 30 times bugger. Few American comic books sell these days, period, but since I can use that same sales argument to "show" that the work of any member of the Spice Girls or Hear'Say has more merit than Bryan Ferry, I imagine that sales and sales alone can hardly be used as a criteria. Maybe in northern Europe, Barks has far more cultural sway than Kirby, but even if they've never read a comic book, any soul in north America could probably put the name to the face of quite a few of Kirby's characters just as easily as we can Scrooge McDuck. So what else sells in Sweden? Kirby inspired millions of Americans to draw. A lot of them work for companies that sell books today that move more units than Kirby reprints, which I think is a great thing. It means he's made a massive impact on our art. If Swedes are buying a half million reprints a month, which I admit is a staggering figure, then one hopes that your native talent is selling pretty damn well, too. > >Exibitions are being held, stamps are being issued, >their deaths are front-page news in Swedish newspapers and is on the >evening news. Is Kirby being held in high esteem in the US? Nope, but neither is Barks. > >When Seattle-based The Comics Journal published the "Top 100 Comics of the >Century" it reads like... (snip) Quoting something from that rag? Come on, that's like polling the readers of Kerrang! or Rock Power and expecting to find Bryan Ferry albums. People who read the Comics Journal hate science fiction. Their opinions do not reflect what's popular in American comics, nor what has had an impact on either people who work in the mainstream. I mean, if your evidence that Kirby isn't a genius falls down to "He doesn't sell well in Scandanavia and a bunch of disaffected underground snobs who don't like Marvel Comics anyway didn't vote for him," then I'll rest perfectly well knowing where I get my inspiration: from a *genius*. - --G. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:50:39 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Confessions of a Window Cleaner Richard wrote: "I have urged my 10-year-old daughter Charlotte to write down everything she can remember about last night. If she does, I'll transcribe as we might all learn something from a pretty informed younger pair of eyes. No?" Yes, Richard, I love to read a review from the perspective of a ten year old attendee! Please encourage her to write down her memories, thoughts, impressions, etc., and post them for us - or send them to me via private email. Thank you, and best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:58:36 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] OT Kirby... (with Ferry refs!) >>It's easy to win this argument. The Ducks comics sell more copies per week >>in Scandinavia (with a population of 20 millions), 131,600 copies in Sweden >>alone, then most monthly American comic books do in the States. That is 4 x >>131,600 = 526,400 copies of the Donald Duck weekly a month in Sweden, a >>country with less then 9 million people. Few American comic books outsell >>that in a market that is about 30 times bugger. Sorry it should read bigger. Grant Goggans wrote: >Few American comic books sell these days, period, but since I can use that >same sales argument to "show" that the work of any member of the Spice Girls >or Hear'Say has more merit than Bryan Ferry, I imagine that sales and sales >alone can hardly be used as a criteria. And I, living in a country with a social democratic gov't, thought that the US was a country were sales is a main instrument. :-) >Maybe in northern Europe, Barks has far more cultural sway than Kirby, but >even if they've never read a comic book, any soul in north America could >probably put the name to the face of quite a few of Kirby's characters just >as easily as we can Scrooge McDuck. This not being the case in Europe were Tintin and Asterix are more popular then Kirby's superheroes, the only American figures to compete are Disney's. >So what else sells in Sweden? Kirby inspired millions of Americans to draw. > A lot of them work for companies that sell books today that move more >units than Kirby reprints, which I think is a great thing. It means he's >made a massive impact on our art. If Swedes are buying a half million >reprints a month, which I admit is a staggering figure, then one hopes that >your native talent is selling pretty damn well, too. That Kirby inspired people to draw is like saying that Velvet Underground inspired people to play. It does not make them as relevant as other artists. I think that Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder, together with Bob Dylan, are the most intresting American artists to come out of the American 60's. I think that Roxy Music is one of the most relevant British bands from the 70's. Swedes are not buying reprints by the thosends. There are several fine current artists of Disney/duck comics, the American Don Rosa being one of the best. Rosa can not find an audience in his native country, despite picking up several awards for "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck". Barks and Rosa are collected into high-quality books. Another American comic that sells in Sweden is The Phantom, but it's sliding. >>Exibitions are being held, stamps are being issued, >>their deaths are front-page news in Swedish newspapers and is on the >>evening news. Is Kirby being held in high esteem in the US? > >Nope, but neither is Barks. But Barks is held in high esteem in Europe. As I wrote, his death was a top story in Swedish media. His visit to Stockholm in 1994 generated more press then a Ferry or Roxy Music concert. In Denmark they wrote, about Barks' visit, that it was if H C Andersen had returned from the dead. Barks created Scrooge McDuck, a better symbol for the US then Kirby's (and Simon's) Captain America. If you don't like Barks, take Hergi (Georges Remi) one of the most famous Belgians last century. His Tintin has inspired as many Europeans as Kirby has inspired Americans. The difference is that his work is in print and, unlike Kirby's, is read by adults. My view is that few of Kirby's stories are worthwhile re-reading as an adult. If there was money to make on Kirby, why isn't he reprinted like Carl Barks or Hergi? Kirby's comics are for juveniles. Superheroes is something I left behind when I discovered girls (and Roxy Music, which was about the same time). I can still read comics, Neil Gaiman's and Alan Moore's being two current writer that come to mind, but Kirby and the Comics Code censorship, left the American comic book market to kids. Then came the 60's underground comics and the 80's boom and suddenly adults coulds read intresting US comics. >>When Seattle-based The Comics Journal published the "Top 100 Comics of the >>Century" it reads like... > >(snip) > >Quoting something from that rag? Come on, that's like polling the readers >of Kerrang! or Rock Power and expecting to find Bryan Ferry albums. People >who read the Comics Journal hate science fiction. Their opinions do not >reflect what's popular in American comics, nor what has had an impact on >either people who work in the mainstream. The editor of The Comics Journal, Gary Groth, was the driving force behind the now cancelled Kirby awards. >I mean, if your evidence that Kirby isn't a genius falls down to "He doesn't >sell well in Scandanavia and a bunch of disaffected underground snobs who >don't like Marvel Comics anyway didn't vote for him," then I'll rest >perfectly well knowing where I get my inspiration: from a *genius*. To answer Grant Goggans' question: Well, how exactly do you qualify "genius"? That's a bit harder, me writing in a strange language and all. I would say that their work have been inventive and lasting. From my viewpoint Kirby does not qualify. Kirby's work has left little impact on Europe, apart from the UK. Not being American I can hardly be expected to have an American point of view -- I dislike capital punishment and not standing by the Kyoto protocol as well :-) The same can be said for Cliff Richards, or Roxy Music for that matter, they don't sell well in in the US, their UK success did not translate to the UK. Roxy Music, on the other hand, being more popular in Sweden then anywhere else but the UK. NP "Your application's failed". :-) It's midsummer in Sweden. Have a good weekend. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:27:06 EDT From: BPhilipson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] respect You are kidding, right? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:42:48 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] US/CA Tour "Update" At 09:12 PM 6/22/01 -0700, Ida M Miller wrote: > I thought that tix are still available for LA's Greek on August 7th. > >> I happened to notice today that the only tickets (through Ticketmaster >> anyway) left for any of the North American venues are Camden and Vancouver Sadly, I must retract the entire supposition (and concede that Rosemont is indeed larger than Camden while I'm at it, though I'm not sure about Vancouver). While this morning Ticketmaster.com now lists only Camden and Chastain Park as on-sale under an artist search, drilling down on the specific venues reveals tickets a-plenty. Not even the MSG shows are sold out. Yet. > I realized that I got screwed too, with the on-line ordering being by > Ticketmaster ... I should've mailed the form in directly to the Greek, Yup, as I learned yesterday. Greedy me, I thought using the online submission would shave the postal days off processing time. But no, that just sends it off into some Ticketmaster blackhole. > I'm in Section B, Row L. To truly rub salt into the wound, Section B Row D still turns up this morning. Half the distance to stage from what I've been assigned as a "series subscriber". > On the morning that tickets for the August 7th show went on sale, I got > up early & drove an hour to sit on the sidewalk for another two hours, > to buy a single ticket at the Greek box office. I guess it worked out > okay, because I'm in Section A, Row E for the second night. My 7th seating is entirely my fault... slipped my mind that noon was in the vicinity until 20-some minutes after the fact. -wfs (who would've taken this off-list if it weren't for the public retraction) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:47:20 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy /Trower I noticed that a proposed concert at LA's Greek theatre with Trower headlining and Bry's hunting buddy Ted Nugent and Deep Purple has mysteriously been cancelled. No explanation. Maybe lack of sales. Who knows? Any chance Robin can now fill in as support act for US leg of tour? Some speculation at Trower websites to that effect. Maybe just wishful thinking. Apparently RT did produce as yet released long awaited Ferry album. Finally, give us a break with this "mere mortal" stuff. He is just a singer in a Rock and Roll band, as another british band use to say. Just Flesh and Blood. 10 cents a dance. Running out of time. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jet Cover, Jack Kirby & DC The original Jet album cover can be seen here: http://www.geocities.com/martinjjgordon/Jettext.html Ignore the review. If you like Sparks and Roxy, you'll love this album. - --- Grant Goggans wrote: > Before my hackles get well and truly raised, does > anyone know a site where > this Jet album cover can be seen? *** Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:41:29 +0200 From: Peter Muthsam Subject: [AVALON] 2 Munich tickets for sale! Hello! I'm sad. Nobody's able to comfort me. I will miss it. - - Miss the concert I have been looking forward for so long. Due to my job I won't be in Munich next Tuesday (26.06.2001) and so I'll miss that concert. I just got to know about that damned business trip today... Now I have 2 tickets to sell: "Arena unbestuhlt" (field without seating). Face value is 93,50 DM; that's what I'd like to get for. Anybody who is interested please send me an email (peter.muthsam@gmx.net) or call me anytime (0170/8555063). Handing the tickets out won't be a problem. A friend of mine can meet you somewhere in Munich on Monday or Tuesday. Cheers, Peter ============================ peter@muthsam.de peter.muthsam@sap.com Tel: 089/89308184 oder 08296/834 Mob: 0170/8555063 Fax: 089/2443-31608 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree. On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, thom.wallace wrote: > Sorry Collen, but that is a non starter. The friend of mine who made > the recordings has made them available to me as long as I do the > following: > > a) That anything similar I obtain through trading is also made > available to him. > b) That I do my best to keep them out of the hands of people who will > then try and make a financial profit from them. > c) That they are not made part of an internet CD tree by myself or > anybody with whom I trade them. Tom, I'll let you in on a little secret: when I sent off my post, I already knew you would refuse to share these recordings with the rest of the list. Although I was very much hoping it wouldn't be true, I had to find out if you would dangle dainties in front of others and then refuse to share. You see, I was brought up by the good sisters and still remember their question as someone unwrapped a candy in class: "Do you have enough for everyone? No? Then please put it away and do not eat it in front of everyone." > As he took the time and risk to do these recordings I only think that > it is fair that I go along with him on this as I did with his > recordings from the ATGB tour. Perhaps if things go well over the > coming months with the possibility of obtaining recordings from the > other legs of the tour through trades he may be persuaded to go along > with Judy's idea of a cd featuring the best performance of each song And what exactly would constitute this "things go[ing] well," please? Does it mean that everyone here must sit on their hands and behave in a way which pleases you and then you will relay that information to him and then he may deign to offer his permission? Or what? Please let us know what "if things go well" means. Also, is the implication that the second item on the list of conditions is somehow being applied to the Avalon list? If so, that implication is offensive beyond words. Before you start clucking, please note that it would have been possible to simply responds "Sorry, the person who is giving me the material doesn't want it treed." In fact, that would have been reason enough, no? (although it would not mitigate the rudeness of asking in public when you had no intention of actually sharing the material with all comers. And come to think of it, it would have ben simpler, as KBP has suggested, to keep your inquiry off list if it came with so many restrictions). Ahhhh, but then you provide the reason: > from his own recordings, but I wouldn't put any money on it. There was > a time when he considered subscribing to the Avalon list, but was put > off by the amount arguing that frequently erupts on list, though he > has enjoyed meeting the odd Avalonian when we have attended gigs > together over the last couple of years. It now seems that there will Now how could he be put off by something that he has never experienced first-hand? Hmmmm? Could it be because he is allowing someone else's personal view to take precedence? Hmmmmm? All mailing lists have their spats, and Avalon is contentious, yes, but it's certainly in no way one of the worst ones out there. I have made many wonderful friends via this list, as have many others, and that certainly speaks louder than the silly disagreements which pop up. As your friend is an adult, perhaps he should be allowed to make his own judgement about this list? And it is very, uh, shall we say enlightening to see that while you aren't above slamming behavior on the list which doesn't please *you*, you are also not above taking the cream of the recordings from the list for your own *personal* enjoyment. I should not be surprised to see this, but I have to say that you have managed to shock even me with this cavalier attitude towards the list. It's fine for you to use the list to obtain recordings which you and your friend will not widely distribute so that their intrinsic value in the world of trading will not diminish (for why else the condition re: tape trees?), yet it's also fine for you to bad mouth this list to that same person after you have take advantage of any benefits that same list might be able to provide. If I have misunderstood anything you have written, I would welcome a clarification. In fact, I am sure that many of us would. Before you paint me as merely a disappointed trader, let me tell you that I'm not. I have nothing to trade, nor am I interested usually in pursuing any live shows unless they are ones I have attended (which isn't to say that I haven't appreciated the incredible generosity of folks on this list who have literally sent me small boxes of CDs without my asking or without my being able to repay them with any new live material). But I am a long time list member and, frankly, I am appalled at the sweeping rudeness and the arrogant attitude that the list can be denigrated repeatedly to someone (or perhaps even more than one person), but that that same list can be taken advantage of when one sees there is an advantage to be gained, and that those advantages will then be shared with someone who also has come, via your personal outlook, to look down upon this list. If one has a problem with the tone of the list, it might behoove that same person to examine his own behavior, _supra_. I very much resent the hypocrisy I see at work here, especially when I, and many others, suspect this source is someone who perhaps should be eschewing bootlegs at all cost (or at least should be presenting that particular facade to the world). How stupid do you think we all are?) Please also understand that a response which merely calls me names merely confirms my suspicions (and those of several others). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:52:46 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree, no content In a message dated 6/23/01 1:41:02 PM, cjem@his.com writes: << You see, I was brought up by the good sisters and still remember their question as someone unwrapped a candy in class: "Do you have enough for everyone? No? Then please put it away and do not eat it in front of everyone." >> My teachers were always extremely pissed when someone called their bluff, bringing enough for everybody... Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:23:14 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: [AVALON] Live trades. - -----Original Message----- From: Heather James [mailto:hjames@webtrek.com] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 6:22 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Live trades. I second Colleen's comments! I'd be delighted get involved with a CD Tree of these exciting new performances! From the show reviews, Roxy are in wonderful form and I'd imagine lots of people in the list would love to get a copy and hear these recordings. If you are up for it Thom, I'll volunteer to help with the Eastern USA part of the CD-tree for this material. I'll do this on a not-for-profit basis, of course, just the cost of material and shipping to the other fans. I think its a Wonderful idea! What do you say, Thom? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org on Behalf Of Colleen Matan > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades. > > Now that many of us are so delighted to learn what is and what may be > available out there, I think it'd be brilliant if these audio versions > were also made available to the list via a CD tree. I don't presume to > speak for others, but I suspect it'd be very welcome indeed, especially > amongst the folks who won't be able to see one of the reunion shows. > > Obviously duplicating all of them isn't feasible, but certainly the ones > worth treeing would distinguish themselves by the audio quality, setlist, > and/or historic importance. And since it's not like copying material > which has been commercially released as a discrete product, it falls > within the guidelines Gene has so kindly drawn up. > > Others' thoughts? > > Colleen > >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org on Behalf Of thom.wallace > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:31 PM > Subject: [AVALON] Live trades. > > > If anyone has obtained audience recordings from the tour and wish > to arrange > trades for recordings for other shows please e-mail me off list. So far I > have recordings from: > > > Dublin (audio) > Glasgow (audio) > Newcastle (audio & Video) > Manchester (audio & Video) > > These are either already in my hands or on the way over the next couple of > weeks. If anybody has a recording from any of the other shows get > in touch. > > cheers, > tom. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---< ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:05:09 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] cds and video tapes - -----Original Message----- From: To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 23 June 2001 19.57 Subject: Re: [AVALON] cds and video tapes >well this is just a short question. if certain members of this list have video and audio[cd in future]. tapes of the recent roxy music tour,and tells fellow avalon members that they have them,but do not wish to make boots for people on the avalon list why mention it? you are making it hard for new members who join the group who have little to trade get a copy? so please in future if you have stuff which will never see the light of day on the list, keep it to your self and the elite on the list. many thanks > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:53:05 +0100 From: "Bryan Richards" Subject: [AVALON] Wembley 23/06/01 Just to let you all know, I am currently having the worst Roxy night of my life. I am at present sat listening to the lads on Radio when I should have been at Wembley. Unfortunately, due to some pratt of a garage mechanic my car is knackered (this I discovered at approx 1.00pm today which didn't allow any time to arrange alternative transport!!!!) and I am missing the first live gig I would have seen in 18 lonnnnnggg years. For anyone who has seen them on this tour I hope you enjoyed and fro the rest of you yet to see them have a great time. Pob Hwyl. Bryan S. Richards ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:21:25 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Wembley 23/06/01 The BBC Internet radio is playing Joni Mitchell! Is the radio concert over already?? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Bryan Richards > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:53 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Wembley 23/06/01 > > > Just to let you all know, I am currently having the worst Roxy night of my > life. I am at present sat listening to the lads on Radio when I > should have > been at Wembley. Unfortunately, due to some pratt of a garage > mechanic my car > is knackered (this I discovered at approx 1.00pm today which > didn't allow any > time to arrange alternative transport!!!!) and I am missing the > first live gig > I would have seen in 18 lonnnnnggg years. > For anyone who has seen them on this tour I hope you enjoyed and > fro the rest > of you yet to see them have a great time. > Pob Hwyl. > Bryan S. Richards > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:54:53 +0100 (BST) From: lorelei@zoom.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] Wow. Quoting LeeSullivn@aol.com: > . . . so I guess you had a really good, really good, really good, REALLY > good > time? You could say that ;-) > Andy may have looked like a bursting tomato, but GOD how he blew! Used > his > WX(7?) wind controller on OOTB for the first time. OOTB was one of the highlights, definitely. Lucy's playing nearly brought a tear to my eye. > I'm glad you young'uns are getting a taste (a very strong taste) of what > they > were like in their heyday. And how nice for us old lags . . . Heh heh :-) I was surprised, actually, at how many young girls there were there. Most of them were in jeans, of course, unlike myself :-) - -- Laura Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 18:24:59 -0400 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree. Hello Mindspring, my ISP, had network problems this afternoon so I am not sure if I may have missed any mail. Since you last post there is currently 6 messages until 5:54PM EST. Regards John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live trades, no tree. > On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, thom.wallace wrote: > > > Sorry Collen, but that is a non starter. The friend of mine who made > > the recordings has made them available to me as long as I do the > > following: > > > > a) That anything similar I obtain through trading is also made > > available to him. > > b) That I do my best to keep them out of the hands of people who will > > then try and make a financial profit from them. > > c) That they are not made part of an internet CD tree by myself or > > anybody with whom I trade them. > > Tom, I'll let you in on a little secret: when I sent off my post, I > already knew you would refuse to share these recordings with the rest of > the list. Although I was very much hoping it wouldn't be true, I had to > find out if you would dangle dainties in front of others and then refuse > to share. You see, I was brought up by the good sisters and still > remember their question as someone unwrapped a candy in class: "Do you > have enough for everyone? No? Then please put it away and do not eat it > in front of everyone." > > > As he took the time and risk to do these recordings I only think that > > it is fair that I go along with him on this as I did with his > > recordings from the ATGB tour. Perhaps if things go well over the > > coming months with the possibility of obtaining recordings from the > > other legs of the tour through trades he may be persuaded to go along > > with Judy's idea of a cd featuring the best performance of each song > > And what exactly would constitute this "things go[ing] well," please? > Does it mean that everyone here must sit on their hands and behave in a > way which pleases you and then you will relay that information to him and > then he may deign to offer his permission? Or what? Please let us know > what "if things go well" means. Also, is the implication that the second > item on the list of conditions is somehow being applied to the Avalon > list? If so, that implication is offensive beyond words. > > Before you start clucking, please note that it would have been possible to > simply responds "Sorry, the person who is giving me the material doesn't > want it treed." In fact, that would have been reason enough, no? > (although it would not mitigate the rudeness of asking in public when you > had no intention of actually sharing the material with all comers. And > come to think of it, it would have ben simpler, as KBP has suggested, to > keep your inquiry off list if it came with so many restrictions). > > Ahhhh, but then you provide the reason: > > > from his own recordings, but I wouldn't put any money on it. There was > > a time when he considered subscribing to the Avalon list, but was put > > off by the amount arguing that frequently erupts on list, though he > > has enjoyed meeting the odd Avalonian when we have attended gigs > > together over the last couple of years. It now seems that there will > > Now how could he be put off by something that he has never experienced > first-hand? Hmmmm? Could it be because he is allowing someone else's > personal view to take precedence? Hmmmmm? All mailing lists have their > spats, and Avalon is contentious, yes, but it's certainly in no way one of > the worst ones out there. I have made many wonderful friends via this > list, as have many others, and that certainly speaks louder than the silly > disagreements which pop up. As your friend is an adult, perhaps he should > be allowed to make his own judgement about this list? > > And it is very, uh, shall we say enlightening to see that while you aren't > above slamming behavior on the list which doesn't please *you*, you are > also not above taking the cream of the recordings from the list for your > own *personal* enjoyment. > > I should not be surprised to see this, but I have to say that you have > managed to shock even me with this cavalier attitude towards the list. > It's fine for you to use the list to obtain recordings which you and your > friend will not widely distribute so that their intrinsic value in the > world of trading will not diminish (for why else the condition re: tape > trees?), yet it's also fine for you to bad mouth this list to that same > person after you have take advantage of any benefits that same list might > be able to provide. > > If I have misunderstood anything you have written, I would welcome a > clarification. In fact, I am sure that many of us would. > > Before you paint me as merely a disappointed trader, let me tell you that > I'm not. I have nothing to trade, nor am I interested usually in pursuing > any live shows unless they are ones I have attended (which isn't to say > that I haven't appreciated the incredible generosity of folks on this list > who have literally sent me small boxes of CDs without my asking or without > my being able to repay them with any new live material). But I am a long > time list member and, frankly, I am appalled at the sweeping rudeness and > the arrogant attitude that the list can be denigrated repeatedly to > someone (or perhaps even more than one person), but that that same list > can be taken advantage of when one sees there is an advantage to be > gained, and that those advantages will then be shared with someone who > also has come, via your personal outlook, to look down upon this list. > If one has a problem with the tone of the list, it might behoove that > same person to examine his own behavior, _supra_. > > I very much resent the hypocrisy I see at work here, especially when I, > and many others, suspect this source is someone who perhaps should be > eschewing bootlegs at all cost (or at least should be presenting that > particular facade to the world). How stupid do you think we all are?) > > Please also understand that a response which merely calls me names merely > confirms my suspicions (and those of several others). > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #248 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest