From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #199 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, May 28 2001 Volume 06 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC - Genesis equip on ebay ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] Players, producers etc. ["Peter Kohut" ] Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com ["ncjones.lewis2" ] Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] lovely avalonians [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Grant&Greg ["Niki H" ] [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet [David Firmin ] [AVALON] Jealous Guy is in the News (groups) ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet ["C. H. Soetemann" ] Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Re: TOTP Review 2 ["Ed Stobbelaar" ] Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet (yawnarama) ["Jane Collard" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:03:37 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OFFTOPIC - Genesis equip on ebay As I know there is some Genesis interest hereabouts (no, really !), I thought I would pass on this snippet of info - a lot of their old equipment is being auctioned during June-July, details are at: www2.kruseinternational.com/genesis/genesis_inv.htm with some photos at : www2.kruseinternational.com/genesis/genesis_index.html Some interesting stuff there including (if I'm not mistaken) Mike Rutherford's famous Shergold double-necked bass and 12 string (much in evidence in photos from the 'Second's Out' period) and the expander module (model 102) for a Roland System 100 synthesizer (fairly useless on its own, being pre-MIDI...) Sorry, after seeing that old VCS3 on TOTP2 I seem to be slipping into muso train-spotting mode S8^) Regards, Ivor. n.p. Brian Auger Search Party - 'Planet Earth Calling...' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:02:31 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! JF QC: > Hey Ivor, > do you think we should sue that wee bastard? he wouldn't miss it anyway. It > would just mean he wouldn't be able to send his wig to the dry cleaners for a > couple of weeks. Nah, if it went to court he'd only end up getting the sympathy vote from those other professional wig-wearers. Worse still, he might decide to sing his own defence. Hmm, actually that might work in our favour ... S8^) BTW, I hated EJ's music as a youth (although I've mellowed to *some* of it more recently). Of all his songs though, I particularly loathed 'Blue Eyes', not helped by a mate's elder brother who was a *huge* Elton fan. Driving us to the airport one day, he popped a cassette with the aforementioned ghastliness into the car stereo. Imagine our dawning horror as we slowly realised the sod had taped it NON-STOP over both sides of a C90 cassette !! Hanging's too good for these people ... S8^) Regards, Ivor (still shuddering with the awfulness of it all) n.p. Frank Zappa 'You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:39:30 -0700 From: "Peter Kohut" Subject: [AVALON] Players, producers etc. Does any one know who any of the players are on Bryan's album supposedly out next January (don't hold your breath) ? Will it be produced by Robin Trower ? Does 1 album of Original material in 13 years constitute semi-retirement ? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:57:37 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Players, producers etc. At 06.39 -0700 1-05-28, Peter Kohut wrote: >Does 1 album of Original material in 13 years constitute semi-retirement ? It's been seven years since the exellent "Mamouna" has it not? NP R.E.M. "The Lifting" Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:24:14 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy on TOTP 1981 spesh To sum up, then; the program was excrement and Roxy were very badly served by it. Agree totally about complete loss of any "atmosphere". The song was cut short, whereas Marc Almond was allowed to repeat and repeat and repeat the last line of his big 81 hit till the cows came home. The disgusting Theakston creature went so far as to claim that the program featured a "specially reformed Roxy Music" as if the band had only got back together so they could be on his horrid little show. And worst of all... I think I spotted the back of my head once, for about a millisecond!! What a disappointment all round! Anyway, I do think the Roxy Spesh will be a beast of a different stripe. Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:39:24 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! In a message dated 28/05/01 13:13:31 GMT Daylight Time, ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: > < as we slowly realised the sod had taped it NON-STOP over both sides of a C90 > cassette !!>> My God, what an experience, riots have been started for less! Glad to see you have recovered from it Ivor and now listening to excellent sounds, Zappa "Stage Vol. 2," (not my fav. from the "Stage" series, I think the fact it was all recorded at the same gig wasted the "continued continuity" of the set). Btw, I checked out the Genesis auction, what happened to the Slipperman costume? Dr. Dyper. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:55:24 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! At 11.39 -0400 1-05-28, JFROXY@aol.com wrote: >Btw, I checked out the Genesis auction, what happened to the Slipperman >costume? Maybe it slipped away. What a Revelation. :-) Are Genesis officially defunct now? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:24:28 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! >From: Daniel Atterbom > > Are Genesis officially defunct now? For the ake of all of us I sincerely hope so, they've been creatively defunct for at least 15 years now.... ;-) SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:23:26 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com I had noticed, and yes, he should have at least namechecked you. Should be interesting....all power to you Grant! Neil - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > If anyone else here in Avalon is a regular poster on that msg board, be > warned that I'm about to raise all kinds of hell on it since some little > idiot named Paul -- no, sorry it's "paul" with a li'l p -- took it upon > himself to rip a review (of the Slave to Love video) off my site with > neither permission, a link, or even a credit. > > So if you don't like aggro, stay off that board for a few days, because I > really cannot stand plagiarists. Especially when I'm the one being > plagiarized. > > And with that, I'll leave the naughty language for **that** forum. > > --G. > > Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:16:14 +0100 > From: "ncjones.lewis2" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > I have been a frequent visitor, and partial contributor (when I have > something to contribute - I posted elements of my Avalon mailinglist review > there as I wanted to share my experience with non-avalonian Roxy/Ferry > fans - I expect to have this ripped apart and be labelled a sycophant any > time now - also I was to lazy to write a new bugger!) and I must agree it > has become a bit of a slanging match between various egos. In fairness to > Mr. Mitchell I think most of his comments are meant to be provocative (if > constantly repeated - still banging on about foxhunting for instance!) and > it has provoked some interesting debate - before it ends up degenerating > into a slanging match and eventual "pigeon holing" of contributors. > > Any comment opposing this current attitude is met with the "we have a lot > more posts now then when the site first began!" argument, which may be true, > but I also feel that it is quality, not quantity that counts! > > Size does not matter (thank God!) > Neil Jones. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:08:26 +0100 From: "michael ferguson" Subject: [AVALON] Jealous Guy Hi John Jealous Guy from "Top of the pops 2001 is now available as a download from newsgroup"alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs. You can find this site through your internet explorer. Best of luck. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > On Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:15 PM > Jane Collard wrote: > > We may need you sooner than you think, JF! Avalonian-bashing has even > reached Paul Thompson's site. > > <><><><><><> > > Yes this seems to be time for the Bat-Signal from the Batman movies / comics > ! > To the Batcave! > > Regards > John D > > Atomic batteries to Speed! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "" > To: > Sent: Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > We may need you sooner than you think, JF! Avalonian-bashing has even > > reached Paul Thompson's site. Some contributors there (some familiar > > sounding suspects) seem to think that all Avalonians are under 30 (I > wish!) > > with no knowledge of pre-80s Roxy. I can think of a few on this list who > > might take issue with that...... > > > > Cheers > > Jane > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 8:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > > > > In a message dated 27/05/01 20:33:35 GMT Daylight Time, > > > snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: > > > > > > > > > > < > join we > > > > use our secret weapon: JF.>> > > > > > > LOL, you must have been reading my mind Han, I was going to offer my > > services > > > if things got out of hand, just say the word. > > > > > > JF. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:51:37 +0100 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] lovely avalonians after a few of you mentionned bryanferry.com,I went to have a look,it was really sad to see such unfriendliness and nastiness.I'm so glad my friend found this list for me to join,where everybody is kind ,helpful,sincere,enthousiastic,several are funny,knowledgable,generous.I'm not going back to that site it's too depressing,I wish I had never seen it.even Greg is a different person when he goes over there!I hope none of you lovely people ever change.... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:02:02 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy IE won't get you into newsgroups - you will need either Outlook Express or ideally a better newsreader like Forte's Free Agent . Newsgroups are not 'sites' per se, but subscr*bable groups. Once you have the software, you will need to know your ISP's news server to configure the settings. Try your ISP's home or help pages for newsgroups if you are unsure. Once you have downloaded the complete list of available groups. you can select alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs, although not all news servers will carry this high-traffic group. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael ferguson" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: [AVALON] Jealous Guy > Hi John > > Jealous Guy from "Top of the pops 2001 is now available as a download from > newsgroup"alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs. > You can find this site through your internet explorer. > Best of luck. > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > On Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:15 PM > > Jane Collard wrote: > > > > We may need you sooner than you think, JF! Avalonian-bashing has even > > reached Paul Thompson's site. > > > > <><><><><><> > > > > Yes this seems to be time for the Bat-Signal from the Batman movies / > comics > > ! > > To the Batcave! > > > > Regards > > John D > > > > Atomic batteries to Speed! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "" > > To: > > Sent: Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > > > > We may need you sooner than you think, JF! Avalonian-bashing has even > > > reached Paul Thompson's site. Some contributors there (some familiar > > > sounding suspects) seem to think that all Avalonians are under 30 (I > > wish!) > > > with no knowledge of pre-80s Roxy. I can think of a few on this list > who > > > might take issue with that...... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Jane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 8:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 27/05/01 20:33:35 GMT Daylight Time, > > > > snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > < do > > > join we > > > > > use our secret weapon: JF.>> > > > > > > > > LOL, you must have been reading my mind Han, I was going to offer my > > > services > > > > if things got out of hand, just say the word. > > > > > > > > JF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] lovely avalonians On Mon, 28 May 2001, Niki H wrote: > after a few of you mentionned bryanferry.com,I went to have a look,it > was really sad to see such unfriendliness and nastiness.I'm so glad my > friend found this list for me to join,where everybody is kind > ,helpful,sincere,enthousiastic,several are > funny,knowledgable,generous.I'm not going back to that site it's too > depressing,I wish I had never seen it.even Greg is a different person > when he goes over there!I hope none of you lovely people ever > change.... I dare say you are perhaps confusing Greg with his brother Dave who posts to the list? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:07:56 +0100 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] Grant&Greg sorry,he is a different person,his name is greg!(I was thinking of Grant)I meant Grant is a different person when he is over there. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet Avalon bashing isn't directed towards this group per se. So called, Roxy Music "purists" consider the first five albums to be Roxy's greatest achievement. In comparison, Flesh + Blood and Avalon appear weak and processed. I guess it's like comparing Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road to Blue Moves. I must admit, Avalon was better than anything else released at the time. It's just a difference of opinion. I respect all your opinions, that's why I remain a member to this list. Regards, David *** Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:34:54 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: [AVALON] Jealous Guy is in the News (groups) Woohoo! Got it! used Outlook Express to grab it from alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs - 23 parts and it sounds clean! Wow - they didn't let that performance go on long, did they? Sounds like as soon as it seemed near the end, they faded down Roxy's audience and went back to the Bradford live audience ... But its nice to hear and if they sound like that after 15 years of not playing together, I imagine they'll be well practiced by the time the US dates come around! If you think thats crass, remember, Washington DC was the first stop for the ATGB tour and that band definately sounded better as the tour went on ... Still - its VERY cool to hear new Roxy Music in 2001, even Jealous Guy! Thank you, Mike! Thank you, thank you, thank you! -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > michael ferguson > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:08 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Jealous Guy > > > Hi John > > Jealous Guy from "Top of the pops 2001 is now available as a download from > newsgroup"alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs. > You can find this site through your internet explorer. > Best of luck. > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > On Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:15 PM > > Jane Collard wrote: > > > > We may need you sooner than you think, JF! Avalonian-bashing has even > > reached Paul Thompson's site. > > > > <><><><><><> > > > > Yes this seems to be time for the Bat-Signal from the Batman movies / > comics > > ! > > To the Batcave! > > > > Regards > > John D > > > > Atomic batteries to Speed! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "" > > To: > > Sent: Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > > > > We may need you sooner than you think, JF! Avalonian-bashing has even > > > reached Paul Thompson's site. Some contributors there (some familiar > > > sounding suspects) seem to think that all Avalonians are under 30 (I > > wish!) > > > with no knowledge of pre-80s Roxy. I can think of a few on this list > who > > > might take issue with that...... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Jane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 8:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryanferry.com > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 27/05/01 20:33:35 GMT Daylight Time, > > > > snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > < do > > > join we > > > > > use our secret weapon: JF.>> > > > > > > > > LOL, you must have been reading my mind Han, I was going to offer my > > > services > > > > if things got out of hand, just say the word. > > > > > > > > JF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:48:30 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet (yawnarama) I think it is worth pointing out that this list serves people with a passion for Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry's solo work. Some, like yours truly, are at pains to suggest that since all of the lyrics, most of the music and virtually all of the style spring from somewhere behind that midnight-blue quiff, it is ludicrous to focus upon four years of admittedly exceptional material rather than nearly thirty years of consistently brilliant creativity. It is one body of work. To make definitive comments such as those copied below not only miss the point but stifle any discussion about preferences. On a similar thread .. in bryanferry.com and, sometimes, on Avalon I detect the unmistakabble stench of male bullying. I read John O'Brien's post about the yobbish chants directed towards Paul Thompson at TOTP2, and I too felt sad that fellow Avalonions were indulging in this embarassing and diversive spectacle. (And don't get me going on blank-faced middle-aged men thrusting a piece of paper at Bryan for his signature - what the hell's that about ?!) Looking back on last Wednesday, all the glamour, the colour, the brilliance, I am disheartened that the "early Roxy" mantra is still being recycled in these pages ; Ferryland : its a chain reaction, it never ends. Martin - ---------- >From: David Firmin >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet >Date: Mon, May 28, 2001, 6:55 pm > > Avalon bashing isn't directed towards this group per > se. So called, Roxy Music "purists" consider the first > five albums to be Roxy's greatest achievement. In > comparison, Flesh + Blood and Avalon appear weak and > processed. I guess it's like comparing Elton John's > Goodbye Yellow Brick Road to Blue Moves. > > I must admit, Avalon was better than anything else > released at the time. It's just a difference of > opinion. I respect all your opinions, that's why I > remain a member to this list. > > Regards, > David > > > *** > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:00:04 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nicked ! A reformed sniper writes: > Zappa "Stage Vol. 2," (not my fav. from the "Stage" series, I think > the fact it was all recorded at the same gig wasted the "continued > continuity" of the set). True - Volumes 1 and 3 are my particular favourites from this series. Still, it's nice to have alternative, faster (if not IMO better) versions of the 'Roxy and Elswewhere' band material though and isn't 'Approximate' just brilliant showing off from a band so tight you couldn't get a sheet of paper between them ? > Btw, I checked out the Genesis auction, what happened to the Slipperman > costume? I believe it got a puncture in a vital area and no-one was prepared to offer to blow it up again - ewwwww ! S;^} Regards, Ivor. n.p. Be Bop Deluxe 'Sunburst Finish' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:30:22 +0100 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet No slur, David, but for me, comparing any Elton album to any other Elton album could never suffice to differentiate between Roxy's albums, even by analogy. EJ might be a good pianist, but I don't like the voice and neither the music and that's quite a bit when it comes to listening to a song - although I have to confess to not having an Elton-in-depth-knowledge. If one listens to Dance With Life: no great composition that, but a great vocal which saves it. And there we get to the point: even some of the less stronger material from the later three albums is made singular by the voice. That should be recognized even by "purists" (I personally believe the first three albums are the best three successive albums ever made... but does that mean one has to pay disregard to all the excellent work that remains?). If somebody dislikes the voice, they simply *cannot* like Roxy Music, maybe except for Sultanesque, The Numberer, the lot. I have only had one brief glance at the comments on bryanferry.com and after one minute or so I have had enough. This has no style. (p.c. statement: of course, that's only what I think, others may hold different views, let them bash the Avalon list if they wish so, how do we know that the outside world really exists &c...) Regards Christian - ---------- >Von: David Firmin >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet >Datum: Mon, 28. Mai 2001 19:55 Uhr > >Avalon bashing isn't directed towards this group per >se. So called, Roxy Music "purists" consider the first >five albums to be Roxy's greatest achievement. In >comparison, Flesh + Blood and Avalon appear weak and >processed. I guess it's like comparing Elton John's >Goodbye Yellow Brick Road to Blue Moves. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet I can go beyond those four years. Bryan Ferry's crowning achievement was "In Your Mind". If you look at the line-up on IYM, it shares an uncanny resemblance to Roxy 2001. I think Ferry has wizened up and looked back over his career. His new solo will be similar to "Bride Stripped Bare". I think he's tired of rehashing that same early 80's format. And, I for one am excited about it! David - --- Martin Stockman wrote: > I think it is worth pointing out that this list > serves people with a passion > for Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry's solo work. Some, > like yours truly, are at > pains to suggest that since all of the lyrics, most > of the music and > virtually all of the style spring from somewhere > behind that midnight-blue > quiff, it is ludicrous to focus upon four years of > admittedly exceptional > material rather than nearly thirty years of > consistently brilliant > creativity. It is one body of work. To make > definitive comments such as > those copied below not only miss the point but > stifle any discussion about > preferences. > > On a similar thread .. in bryanferry.com and, > sometimes, on Avalon I detect > the unmistakabble stench of male bullying. I read > John O'Brien's post about > the yobbish chants directed towards Paul Thompson at > TOTP2, and I too felt > sad that fellow Avalonions were indulging in this > embarassing and diversive > spectacle. (And don't get me going on blank-faced > middle-aged men thrusting > a piece of paper at Bryan for his signature - what > the hell's that about ?!) > > Looking back on last Wednesday, all the glamour, the > colour, the brilliance, > I am disheartened that the "early Roxy" mantra is > still being recycled in > these pages ; Ferryland : its a chain reaction, it > never ends. > > Martin > > > ---------- > >From: David Firmin > >To: avalon@smoe.org > >Subject: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet > >Date: Mon, May 28, 2001, 6:55 pm > > > > > Avalon bashing isn't directed towards this group > per > > se. So called, Roxy Music "purists" consider the > first > > five albums to be Roxy's greatest achievement. In > > comparison, Flesh + Blood and Avalon appear weak > and > > processed. I guess it's like comparing Elton > John's > > Goodbye Yellow Brick Road to Blue Moves. > > > > I must admit, Avalon was better than anything else > > released at the time. It's just a difference of > > opinion. I respect all your opinions, that's why I > > remain a member to this list. > > > > Regards, > > David > > > > > > *** > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet Okay, maybe a bad comparison. So I'll say John Lennon's "John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band" to "Sometime in New York City". Great artist, some bad career choices. David - --- "C. H. Soetemann" wrote: > No slur, David, but for me, comparing any Elton > album to any other Elton > album could never suffice to differentiate between > Roxy's albums, even by > analogy. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:45:09 +0200 From: "Ed Stobbelaar" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: TOTP Review 2 From: Paul Bodine > Bryan Ferry says "of course" when asked for an autograph?? No "OK" or silent > forced smile but "of course"? > That's not just gracious, that's . . . cool. My girlfriend Renate asked last year, after the ATGB-gig in Amsterdam to Bryan: "May I kiss you"? And with a big smile he answered: "Well of course you may". I think that was very gracious and cool. I was not that cool, I forgot to take the picture. Ed ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:33:18 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet (yawnarama) Martin Stockman wrote: >Some, like yours truly, are at > pains to suggest that since all of the lyrics, most of the music and > virtually all of the style spring from somewhere behind that midnight-blue > quiff, it is ludicrous to focus upon four years of admittedly exceptional > material rather than nearly thirty years of consistently brilliant > creativity. It is one body of work. David Firmin wrote: >If you look at the line-up on IYM, it shares an uncanny >resemblance to Roxy 2001. I think Ferry has wizened up >and looked back over his career. His new solo will be >similar to "Bride Stripped Bare". I think he's tired >of rehashing that same early 80's format. And, I for >one am excited about it! I can only say "Hear, hear!" to both of you. Things move on - the development of Ferry's work, both solo and with Roxy, has been a constant delight to me since 1972. Varying styles, intelligent and innovative re-workings of classic songs, and above all originality. Let's all have fun this summer! Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Stockman To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet (yawnarama) > I think it is worth pointing out that this list serves people with a passion > for Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry's solo work. Some, like yours truly, are at > pains to suggest that since all of the lyrics, most of the music and > virtually all of the style spring from somewhere behind that midnight-blue > quiff, it is ludicrous to focus upon four years of admittedly exceptional > material rather than nearly thirty years of consistently brilliant > creativity. It is one body of work. To make definitive comments such as > those copied below not only miss the point but stifle any discussion about > preferences. > > On a similar thread .. in bryanferry.com and, sometimes, on Avalon I detect > the unmistakabble stench of male bullying. I read John O'Brien's post about > the yobbish chants directed towards Paul Thompson at TOTP2, and I too felt > sad that fellow Avalonions were indulging in this embarassing and diversive > spectacle. (And don't get me going on blank-faced middle-aged men thrusting > a piece of paper at Bryan for his signature - what the hell's that about ?!) > > Looking back on last Wednesday, all the glamour, the colour, the brilliance, > I am disheartened that the "early Roxy" mantra is still being recycled in > these pages ; Ferryland : its a chain reaction, it never ends. > > Martin > > > ---------- > >From: David Firmin > >To: avalon@smoe.org > >Subject: [AVALON] Let's bury the hatchet > >Date: Mon, May 28, 2001, 6:55 pm > > > > > Avalon bashing isn't directed towards this group per > > se. So called, Roxy Music "purists" consider the first > > five albums to be Roxy's greatest achievement. In > > comparison, Flesh + Blood and Avalon appear weak and > > processed. I guess it's like comparing Elton John's > > Goodbye Yellow Brick Road to Blue Moves. > > > > I must admit, Avalon was better than anything else > > released at the time. It's just a difference of > > opinion. I respect all your opinions, that's why I > > remain a member to this list. > > > > Regards, > > David > > > > > > *** > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 23:35:09 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Tokyo Go... Hi, Our Japanese contributors may be able to confirm, as my Japanese is poor to say the least, but I believe that three dates will be taking place in Tokyo on the 7th, 8th and 9th of September. Tickets appear to be on sale here: https://www.eleague.co.jp/syousai/04_02.html If this is the case, I make that 33 confirmed, plus 3 Japanese and 5 or possibly six Australian, leaving 8 or 9 European dates to be announced, (with Paris and Spain likely) if there are to be the projected 50 dates in all. Some supposition here of course. Sayonara, Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #199 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest