From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #183 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, May 17 2001 Volume 06 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos [Miles Goosens ] [AVALON] Richard for President! [Rick ] Re: [AVALON] Julie Burchill [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Top of the Pops scandal!! ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: RE:[AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] Julie Burchill [stevesiren ] Re: [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] tour guides - quo vadis ["therese" ] Re: [AVALON] tour guides - quo vadis [=?iso-8859-1?q?Johnny=20Reece?= ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:15:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos Me, then David Squires: >> Even members with so much to offer like Colleen, Martino, Kicki, >> even fair Jocelyn are so easily goaded. The flap about Richard's >> friend and her TOTP2 tickets is just the latest in this disgraceful >> series. > >Ummm, isn't this prolonging the name-calling? A case of the pot >calling the pot a pot? :-) Let's see, I complimented them, and observed that when they succumb to engaging in verbal fisticuffs, they lessen their potential contribution to a rich, fulfilling list discourse. Yup, it's name-calling! But thanks for (unintentionally, I think) implying that I have a lot to offer the list. :-) As for the next message, my wife Melissa and I will attend the Atlanta show provided that tickets ever go on sale. Looking forward to seeing Gene there! later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:31:49 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Julie Burchill Hear hear Simon Richard Simon Galloway wrote: > >>> "Therese O'Donnell" 05/16 12:40 pm >>> > > I'm glad that Ellen got the gig and not Julie Burchill, God only knows what > > might have befallen BF. I did read one of the old NME reviews on the Avalon > > site in which Burchill reviewed 'In Your Mind'. She said she could envision > > herself in a kimono swanning around being glamorous. > > That is a positively repulsive thought. Infact, just the mere mention of JB's name is enough. Yack! > > SimonG > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:38:23 -0400 From: Rick Subject: [AVALON] Richard for President! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:03:41 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Julie Burchill In a message dated 05/16/2001 2:56:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evansr@cableinet.co.uk writes: > > I'm glad that Ellen got the gig and not Julie Burchill, God only knows what > > > might have befallen BF. I did read one of the old NME reviews on the > Avalon > > > site in which Burchill reviewed 'In Your Mind'. She said she could > envision > > > herself in a kimono swanning around being glamorous. > > > > That is a positively repulsive thought. Infact, just the mere mention of > JB's name is enough. Yack! > OER (Obscure English reference). For those of us on the west side of the Pond, who is Julie Burchill? Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:36:10 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Top of the Pops scandal!! to the list for fear of reprisals? Hell, I >don't have table seats for Atlanta (nobody has seats period), and I won't >have the $300 that table seats will inevitably go for in the scalped ticket >circuit And what, pray, is a table seat? A seat with a table? Not that simple, surely? Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:41:32 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 Tickets & The Final Injustice >Amazing how when distracted we can drift away from the really important >things. > >Regards >John Dillon > Yes, though all this abuse is actually a litle more fun than the announcements by nearly everyone of the arrival of their tour tickets, complete with specifications of venues and seat numbers, which has been the dominant and mind-bendingly boring thread of this list for, oh, three months now. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:52:42 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos >I can't figure out why so many listmembers take every opportunity to >prolong rather than curtail namecalling. Even members with so much to >offer like Colleen, Martino, Kicki, even fair Jocelyn are so easily >goaded You happen to have listed perhaps my four favourite people on this list - only I myself am more amusing, articulate and interesting - and I think their responses are less because they are easily goaded than because they are game for hilarious provocation. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:39:42 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: RE:[AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? - -----Original Message----- From: beauxb@cwctv.net To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: RE:[AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? > The things you Avalonians >write, and the topics you discuss, (this one notwithstanding), amuse, inform and often delight hardcore fans such as myself, and it sort of saddens me to see you engaging in verbal fisticuffs with this sort of thing. > Business as usual?.....Please? > Don`t be thrown off by it Beaux. It`s all part of being part of such a huge family. You won`t get total agreement on every issue and sometimes thing have to be sorted out. Some people are better at making a point than others, but in the end hot topics such as this is usually resolved, at the very least as an agreement to disagree. Mon. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:46:04 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sun shines in Montreux Here it is Han: http://www.mtv.com/sendme2.tin?page=/news/articles/1424691/20001003/aerosmit h.jhtml The Sun Records documentary is a joint effort by Shooting Gallery and Middle Fork Productions, and is tentatively set to air on PBS in December 2001 as part of the "American Masters" series produced by WNET in New York City. The production will take over three years to assemble in all. One of the contributors, the Ben Folds Five, has actually broken up since recording their song. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Turner" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sun shines in Montreux > I read a report that said it would be aired in the US in December. > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Han Snijders" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:52 PM > Subject: [AVALON] Sun shines in Montreux > > > > At the Montreux Jazz festival Jerry Lee Lewis, Robert Plant and Chris > > Spedding will share > > the stage for a tribute to Sun Records. > > Anyone who knows when the film and the cd will be released? > > > > Han > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:14:57 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: [AVALON] The Drawbacks of a "No Profit Policy" - -----Original Message----- From: KB Porter To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Top of the Pops scandal!! >As a final note on the issue, I quote Jocelyn once more as she tries to >pre-empt any forth coming disagreement on the sensitive subject of >"shared material" and "trades": "Stuff that is originated BY us is >shared. Stuff that is originated elsewhere, then it's up to that >individual with whom and if they want to share it - that is their >choice." Agreed. The problem I have with a general "No Profit Policy" for the list is this: Hypothetical Situation: Someone offers for sale copies of a video they shot in '76 of, say, Ferry and Jobson engaged in a drunken cat fight at a Texas motel pool side. This video does NOT fall under the CD/Video Tree Guidelines. Therefore, it should be fair game. The right to make the decision weather or not to buy a copy should be left up to people on the list, not a few nay-sayers who think profiting is immoral. Mon. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:18:20 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: [AVALON] THE CD / TAPE / VIDEO TREE GUIDELINE - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------ THE CD / TAPE / VIDEO TREE GUIDELINE INTRODUCTION: Welcome to the Avalon list. This mail list is devoted to Roxy Music and related artist and bands. If you give this list a chance, I think you`ll find that it has a lot to offer in the way of Roxy Music news and items of interest. There are many music related mail lists available on the Internet but I`m sure you`ll find the Avalon list is special and different. One thing that we offer that is of interest to many people is a selection of rare and unique material not available to the mainstream public (read into this bootlegs) by way of out "CD/Video trees." The Roxy Music bootlegs distributed via our "trees" are aimed at people who love listening to Roxy, want to hear interesting, good Roxy, and groan at the hint of another damn no-end-in-sight CD box set that seem to re-hash the same old studio cuts, "b- sides", and "special mixes" over and over. Bootlegs offer a unique glimpse of the band on their natural turf....the stage. In some cases, the material has been digitally cleaned up and remastered to the best of our ability. By offering these bootlegs to the list, we give everyone a chance to experience their favorite phase(s) of Roxy Music`s live performances that the record companies deny us and to spare everyone from the many awful quality Roxy CD boots circulating on the underground market. Best of all....they`re free! Please keep in mind that no one on the Avalon list is responsible for the existence of these bootlegs. We merely have access to them, enjoy them and wish to spread the music. I`ve met many people who were stunned by the brilliance of a certain song done live on a bootleg and reevaluated their whole attitude to them. But first and foremost, the Avalon list is NOT just about bootlegs and anyone focusing only on this subject is missing out on some often stimulating, sometimes hilarious and most interesting people. WHAT A "TREE" IS AND HOW IT`S DONE: A "tree", as in Tape/Video/Cd "tree", is unique material relating to Roxy Music which is compiled by a person(s) and offered to the list. If enough interest is generated, then list members capable of producing CD-R and tape copies (known as "Master Holders") will contact the person with the material. A number of "masters" are made and sent to a number of "Master Holders". When the "Master Holders" are ready, they will announce it to the list and anyone interested in a copy would simply post a request. Hence, "a tree." Typically, anyone wanting a copy will need to send the appropriate number of blank media (video tapes, audio cassette tapes or CD-R) and a stamped, self addressed bubble-lined shipping package. The "Master Holder" will make your copy and send it to you. That`s it. THE RULES: 1) A CD/Tape/Video (T/V/CD) Tree can only be initiated by a person(s) possessing enough Roxy related material to put (at least) a tape together. 2) NO ONE CAN VOLUNTEER ANOTHER`S MATERIAL. 3) In NO way is a profit to be made by anyone initiating or taking part as a master holder. They will always be done for the cost of the media and shipping only. What happens outside of the list is of course your business, but please keep any mention the mail list out of it. - ----------------------------------------------END--------------------------- - ------------------ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:58:32 +0100 From: stevesiren Subject: Re: [AVALON] Julie Burchill ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/16/2001 2:56:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > evansr@cableinet.co.uk writes: > > > > > > OER (Obscure English reference). For those of us on the west side of the > Pond, who is Julie Burchill? > > Arnie > Julie Burchill used to be a writer for the NME (UK's best music paper) & was > readable in her early days especially when she wrote with her then husband Tony > Parsons. In recent years however she's more famous for writing bile on any given > subject in her column in a british newspaper (which one she's at now, I don't > know) Just be glad you can't hear her voice! a bit like Tiny Tim reading out > bingo numbers. Steve > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:03:15 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos Tim - the list's answer to Jeremy Beadle? jonathan In a message dated 16/05/01 20:54:47 GMT Daylight Time, tim63@earthlink.net writes: > they are easily goaded than because they are > game for hilarious provocation. > > Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:47:14 -0400 From: "therese" Subject: [AVALON] tour guides - quo vadis Bon Soir all. (Hope my opening greeting shows how destined for stardom I really am) I was thinking of doing a little tour guide for Dublin and/or Glasgow re places to eat, drink etc. for all you Avalonians who will be attending these gigs. Now I now that it can't compare with official tourist guides but such assistance would have a number of advantages 1) it's free (and given the number of clams we're haemorraghing on this tour every clam counts) 2) it's an insider's guide (I know both cities quite well) 3) it's your opportunity to be as glamourama as me. Stop! Stop! The clamouring is embarrassing. You're making me feel like I'm losing my mind! Anyway, if people vote for this, then I'll do it, although there may be others who want to do it, or want to collaborate on it and I'm willing to defer/co-author as is required. BUT If you all think that there's no need for it then fine but quo vadis? Cheers Mmelle. T.- follow the Burberry umbrella! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:49:12 -0400 From: "therese" Subject: [AVALON] Julez B. Hello there. re Julie Burchill definition - she gets a lot of bad press and I think she does get carried away at times, but she does have the odd golden moment. The most recent one was her destruction of Eminem and the most negative aspects of rap music. She's polemic, provocative and sometimes a little bit 'broad brush' in her approach to serious topics. She's also pretty famous for her 'interesting' lovelife which she seems to lay out in a media spotlight. I'm not a massive fan as she is so over-poweringly self-referential. Anyway - there you go. Mmelle. T. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:57:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Johnny=20Reece?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] tour guides - quo vadis Sacre Bleu ! A fine, fine idea Mmelle T. Particularly as people keep asking me the best places to go in Glasgow - a tricky one to answer as I haven't lived there since, well, Manifesto. Furthermore, a Dublin guide would be tres gallas (eh ?)and very useful as I know many of us will be there a day or two before RM kick off. That way, we could all either 1) meet up, 2) deliberately avoid each other, or more likely 3) all have too much to drink and get involved in street fist fights over Avalonia policies. Your idea gets my vote, and I await your wise words with anticipation. Jean-Paul Reece - --- therese wrote: > Bon Soir all. (Hope my opening greeting shows how > destined for stardom I > really am) > > I was thinking of doing a little tour guide for > Dublin and/or Glasgow re > places to eat, drink etc. for all you Avalonians who > will be attending these > gigs. Now I now that it can't compare with official > tourist guides but such > assistance would have a number of advantages > 1) it's free (and given the number of clams we're > haemorraghing on this tour > every clam counts) > 2) it's an insider's guide (I know both cities quite > well) > 3) it's your opportunity to be as glamourama as me. > > Stop! Stop! The clamouring is embarrassing. You're > making me feel like I'm > losing my mind! > > Anyway, if people vote for this, then I'll do it, > although there may be > others who want to do it, or want to collaborate on > it and I'm willing to > defer/co-author as is required. > BUT > If you all think that there's no need for it then > fine but quo vadis? > > Cheers Mmelle. T.- follow the Burberry umbrella! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:22:50 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Julie Burchill In a message dated 05/16/2001 5:21:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stevesiren@netscapeonline.co.uk writes: > Julie Burchill used to be a writer for the NME (UK's best music paper) & was > > readable in her early days especially when she wrote with her then > husband Tony > > Parsons. In recent years however she's more famous for writing bile on > any given > > subject in her column in a british newspaper (which one she's at now, I > don't > > know) Just be glad you can't hear her voice! a bit like Tiny Tim reading > out > > bingo numbers. Thanks, Steve. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:28:18 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] a tempest in a teapot Colleen Matan wrote: > > Such moral outrage! Such righteous indignation! Such gnashing of teeth > and tearing of garments in Avalon! Where's Monquiboy when you really need > him? > Looks like Monquiboy is a little busy at the moment . . . http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/05/15/india.apeman/index.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:46:28 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Julez B. >From: "therese" > re Julie Burchill definition - she gets a lot of bad press and I think she > does get carried away at times, but she does have the odd golden moment. Yeah, when she shuts her big trap! > The most recent one was her destruction of Eminem and the most negative > aspects of rap music. She's polemic, provocative and sometimes a little bit > 'broad brush' in her approach to serious topics. What's this problem with Eminem? It's pure theatre, a character addressing a variety real issues instead of bragging about his ho's, gold chains, cars and whoopin' someone's ass! At least you can tell what he's saying. So, what about Tony Parsons then? Complacent in middle age or just a redifining of objectives...? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #183 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest