From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #182 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 06 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Boots of Horoscope [Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com] [AVALON] Lover ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] the observer ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] for jocelyn` oops am I butting in? [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] Julie Burchill ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] The Top of the Pops scandal!! ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] TOTP2 Tickets & The Final Injustice [jmdillon@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? [KWil632057@aol.com] RE:[AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? [beauxb@cwctv.net] [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] The Top of the Pops scandal!! [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Sun shines in Montreux ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Roxy Music Tour 2001 ["David Squires " ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:44:20 +0100 From: Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com Subject: [AVALON] Boots of Horoscope Earlier posting referred to 'boots of Horoscope'. Can anyone tell me what's on this / how to get my hands on a copy? I'm thoroughly enjoying the banter. Getting into work these days is a pleasure. Just want our Indian Summer to last forever. Cheers and thanks to all, Len ******************************************************************************** The information contained in this message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. 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A little bit of tarting up and it would have been lovely on Avalon! BTW I've now had three dreams about the tour. What does it all mean? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:58:20 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] the observer I remember the good old Grauniad when it really was full of typographical howlers, but I strongly suspect that the stories you quote are just that... stories! Mind you, if true, I'd like to see the evidence!! :O) Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Nigel Hollis Sent: 15 May 2001 17:18 To: avalon digest Subject: [AVALON] the observer For those that have been reading the "Grauniad" over the years, the term is one of affection rather than reality. The typographical errors were legend and became the hallmark of the paper. (One memorable occasion was when they were reporting about a person Count so and so...... and they ommited the letter "o" from Count!) For trivia fans, the term was not an invention of Private Eye as is commonly believed, it was an error the paper made when refering to itself and the name stuck. From an artistic point of view, the paper has always, in my experience, covered Mr Ferry/Roxy Music widely and in a positive way, always concerned more with style and substance than stories about socks. Niki, a few years ago was circa 1985, time flies! Nigel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:58:26 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available A further point: anyone laying out money for a ticket that famously "doesn't guarentee entry" to the event would be more than a little foolish! If the tickets got on to e-bay, would this salient feature be mentioned? I might bid ten pee. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of diane whateley Sent: 15 May 2001 21:39 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available I must say that I couldn't believe Richard's posting to the list. Whilst I also realise that he was merely the messenger, I feel that his friend's intentions were/are completely morally reprehensible and inexcusable, however, unfortunately, by association,he has been tarred with the same brush, to a degree. I find the market forces argument, however reflective of 'real life', distasteful....how far will some people go to make a fast buck? What would the BBC make of someone doing this at their expense? What would their legal position be? I too, appreciate the benefits of Avalon and I wouldn't be where I am today without it(!!).This whole episode runs contrary to the spirit of the list and devalues its moral credibility, especially when scrupulous efforts are made not to profit from our in- house/list CD/Video trees. Knowing too that the list is perused on occasion by representatives of the BF/RM organisation, also reinforces my feeling that the moral integrity of the list should be maintained. (Not wanting to sound too sanctimonious, but probably failing!!) Diane - -- On Tue, 15 May 2001 10:14:49 j.collard wrote: >Chris - please don't let these actions put you off >passing on such information to the list. I was lucky >enough to get tickets and was extremely grateful for >your tip-off - one of the benefits of being part of the >Avalon "community". > >I share your total distaste that anyone could seek to >make personal gain from this, but in fairness to Richard >he is not the one "selling" - and at least he has made >list members aware of the availability of these tickets. >Whether anyone then chooses to participate in such an >auction is of course up to them. Personally I wouldn't >on principle - but then I've got tickets... :-) > >See you on 23rd > >Best wishes >Jane > >>How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for sale >something they >>received for nothing. I would not have passed on the >information about this >>gig if I thought people were merely going to exploit >that knowledge for >>their own personal gain. >> >>And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you >have spent here, you >>have learned so little about the community ethic that >operates here. >> >>Chris >_____________________________________________________ >______________ >>> The subliminable footer says: >>> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>> unsubscribe avalon >> >> >>____________________________________________________ >_______________________ >>The subliminable footer says: >>To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:38:36 +0100 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] barbara Ellen no,Hans,it's not Barbara Allen from the bride stripped bare cover,it's barbara Ellen journalist.but she could have been,she is very pretty,in fact,newspapers always seem to send good looking women to interview Bryan nowadays.maybe he insists on it,like colonel Gadaffy! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:12:59 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] for jocelyn` oops am I butting in? Well young Ernie, you're not wrong, a very astute summation. A Karmann Ghia is a poor man's Porche Speedster 356. I much prefer the coupe as the convertible's hood spoils the slick contours. Mine is a 1600cc and does actually go like the clappers (cleaned up version of what I was thinking of) It is a '72 - a pretty vintage year all round and I have often dreamed of driving down to Rio, but I only got as far as Brighton. Aaaahhh, I've almost persuaded myself no to sell. - -----Original Message----- From: anotherphotographer [mailto:anotherphotographer@cwcom.net] Sent: 15 May 2001 19:54 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] for jocelyn` oops am I butting in? Hi The Karmann Ghia is a beautiful sports car and was offered in soft top and hard top form It was built by Karmann (as were original convertible "Beetles") and was designed by Ghia (pre-Ford days) It looked as though it would "do" 120 MPH but alas it was only a VW Beetle in wolfs (or Porsche?) clothing. Very nice but no 356! Drive, sit in or just look at and play Virginia Pl...>>>MMMMMMMM regards young Ernie - ----- Original Message ----- From: Niki H To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: [AVALON] for jocelyn > jocelyn(nice name)I would love to help you go to New York and everywhere you > want,if only I knew what a karmann ghia is! > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:16:27 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] barbara Ellen >newspapers always seem to send good looking women to interview Bryan nowadays.maybe he insists on it,like colonel Gadaffy! When the NME sent Chrissie Hynde to interview Eno in the '70's she didn't come back for 3 days! _ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:46:11 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? > For crying out loud--everyone who wanted tickets from this list got tickets, right? Wrong. I was inundated by replies for the two I had going spare. There are still a lot of people out there (regular contributors and lurkers alike - it's all the same) who have been left empty handed. >Meg is not a member and she told me about TOPT2 before I read it here. Well bully for Meg. That gave her ample opportunity to inundate the BBC with bogus requests for tickets and make a nice fat profit. Tell her she has a great future as a tout/scalper. >I've seen more community ethic on the underside of a rock... What do you think AMA was about then? We certainly didn't do it for the good of our health or for profit (everyone was operating on nervous breakdowns and final warnings from our banks until the raffle just about broke us even). We did it because we believed it was about time we could all come together and share something special. Our only regret was that we couldn't do it somewhere that would make it more accessible to our friends across the Pond and in further flung continents. What are all the CD and video trees about? Piece of piss to handle all the orders and mail 'em out Richard. Perhaps you'd like to pick up the gauntlet and run with it next time. Stuff that is originated BY us is shared. Stuff that is originated elsewhere, then it's up to that individual with whom and if they want to share it - that is their choice. The majority on this list will endeavour to help each other out as often as we can - with NO PROFIT MAKING, unless, of course, you count the odd beer, then I hold my hands up as guilty. Personally, if I felt this was merely a mailing list and nothing to do with friendship, I wouldn't bother switching my PC on let alone spend time contributing - and I'm sure that would make certain people very happy, but tough! Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:09:15 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? I think I speak for the majority when I say that Jocelyn captures perfectly the spirit of the list. Jonathan In a message dated 16/05/01 12:03:01 GMT Daylight Time, Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com writes: > The majority on this list will endeavour to help each other out as often as > we can - with NO PROFIT MAKING, unless, of course, you count the odd beer, > then I hold my hands up as guilty. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:15:08 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? - -----Original Message----- From: KWil632057@aol.com [mailto:KWil632057@aol.com] Sent: 16 May 2001 12:09 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? I >think I speak for the majority..... Well thanks Jonathan but I smell a self elected moral police ticking off coming on!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:40:05 -0000 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: RE: [AVALON] barbara Ellen Hello there. I was pleased to see Barbara Ellen get the gig for interviewing BF in the Observer 'Life' section. If I remember correctly she was a writer for 'Smash Hits' when I was a teenager ( a mere few months ago obviously dahling!)and always wrote well. The 'Face to Face' interview is usually done by Lynn Barber who I like a lot, but I was pleased that it went to a former music journalist (I think Ellen also interviewed Charlie Watts last year). Barber was better suited for the hilarious interview with Shane McGowan which she did a month or so ago. It was less about music, sweeties, than sheer physical drinking exertions. Incidentally I think Ellen's ex-partner was quite a well-known drummer but I can't remember who he is. I'm glad that Ellen got the gig and not Julie Burchill, God only knows what might have befallen BF. I did read one of the old NME reviews on the Avalon site in which Burchill reviewed 'In Your Mind'. She said she could envision herself in a kimono swanning around being glamorous. Ah yes,but the world was a different place then and we were all beautiful (hiccup, dearie-me sweetie, this gin seems to have gone sour). Jeeves! Mmelle. T. >From: Jocelyn Fiske >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: RE: [AVALON] barbara Ellen >Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:16:27 +0100 > > >newspapers always seem to send good looking women to interview Bryan > >nowadays.maybe he insists on it,like colonel Gadaffy! > > > >When the NME sent Chrissie Hynde to interview Eno in the '70's she didn't >come back for 3 days! > >_ > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:00:36 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Julie Burchill >>> "Therese O'Donnell" 05/16 12:40 pm >>> > I'm glad that Ellen got the gig and not Julie Burchill, God only knows what > might have befallen BF. I did read one of the old NME reviews on the Avalon > site in which Burchill reviewed 'In Your Mind'. She said she could envision > herself in a kimono swanning around being glamorous. That is a positively repulsive thought. Infact, just the mere mention of JB's name is enough. Yack! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:15:05 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] The Top of the Pops scandal!! I am a little confused and quite concerned by the new outbreak of hostility on this list about the TOTP2 tickets. I very much doubt I have the power to change Richard's friend's mind and persuade her that she should give them away. She made the decision to make some money off them. And? I don't care for it, but neither do I care for the seemingly endless stream of people who completely surround Athens prior to every Bulldogs home game six hours before kickoff screaming "I got tickets." I'm not about to make them go away either. People are going to try to get something for nothing; it's in our nature, and I didn't come to this list for a spiritual reawakening or a moral uplifting to get me away from the capitalist blood in our veins. But I have the greatest concern for the "tarring with the same brush" argument espoused by Diane. Who in the world are we to pass judgement on Richard for his friend's action? I mean, what did Richard really do here? Looks like he just told us some tickets are available for a price. Surely he doesn't have an obligation to beg his friend to "see the light" and donate them to some unfortunate Ferry fan who missed out. As for the community spirit of free trading, well, yes, I hope very much that the productions, creations and compilations of Avalonians are distributed for free, and I've commented as much on the Strictly Confidential bootleg archive. If I ever, ever see "Boston Pop," with the artwork I made, sold for profit anywhere, as I no doubt one day will, I'll go just about apeshit over it. I'll only be moderately less annoyed should I see an "All Styles Served Here" or one of the videos at a record show dealer's booth, but annoyed nonetheless. I think that's as far as list outrage should go. Face it, folks, any- and everything else that we quietly trade amongst ourselves but did not create is currently being sold, every single day, at record shows, in good shops, online, on eBay, under-the-counter and by mail. Everything! I know of at least twelve stores in Athens and Atlanta alone that sell bootleg CDs, records and videos, and yes, Bryan Ferry products are among them. And compared, I am told, to Miami and to Chicago, Atlanta is a baby market for commercial boots. Compared to NY, London and LA, Atlanta doesn't even exist. When the day comes - and it invariably will - that one of us finds a commercial bootlegger selling (oooh, let's pick some controversial topics) table seats for the Atlanta show or, hey, how about Horoscope, should we **not** pass that information to the list for fear of reprisals? Hell, I don't have table seats for Atlanta (nobody has seats period), and I won't have the $300 that table seats will inevitably go for in the scalped ticket circuit. However, should I find some, I will **definitely** pass the information along to the list. Someone may want to know about it. Does that make me a bad person? At the end of the day, nobody on the Avalon mailing list created these tickets, the BBC producers did. The sole and lone people with an argument for moral outrage would be those employed by that entity. If you are really upset that Richard's friend is selling free BBC tickets, then don't denounce Richard, tell someone at the BBC! :) As far as I can see, Richard hasn't done anything wrong in letting this list know about it. Grant http://go.to/popocalypse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:33:04 -0400 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 Tickets & The Final Injustice "Free tickets for sale!" Well all this posturing is all well and good but I sincerely think we are all missing the bigger picture here . And.if no one else is willing to step forward and bring it up then I guess I will have to. Does this mean no cake? Because if I remember correctly, someone promised there would be cake. Tea too, with choice of milk and sugar would be nice. A place to sit as well perhaps, with a bit of a distinctive view. Resisting ) Because you know, as we all, I do like to have my "well, you know" and eat it too. Amazing how when distracted we can drift away from the really important things. Regards John Dillon Pass the sugar please. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:43:35 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: [AVALON] THE NO PROFIT POLICY - -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Fiske To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:00 AM Subject: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? >What are all the CD and video trees about? Piece of piss to handle all the >orders and mail 'em out Richard. Perhaps you'd like to pick up the gauntlet >and run with it next time. You can NOT force a list wide "no profit policy" based on the CD/Video Tree Guideline nor can you arbitrarily outlaw the practice without offering it to the list for a vote. When I wrote that CD/Video Tree Guideline it was presented to and voted on by the list and that "no profit policy" ended right there. Remember when Jay Stridinski(sp) was hawking his wares here? We may have made fun of him but because his items were Roxy related he was allowed to continue without anyone making a huge stink about it. No one loathes greedy exploitation more than I do but there comes a point where you just have to grit your teeth and bare it when it comes along. The tickets being offered was a Roxy related topic and while it`s your right to offer your opinion about it, your right ends right there. If you want to change it, draw up a guideline and present it to the list. Otherwise, leave these people alone! Mon. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:54:30 -0400 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 Tickets & The Final Injustice "Free tickets for sale!" Well all this posturing is all well and good but I sincerely think we are all missing the bigger picture here . And.if no one else is willing to step forward and bring it up then I guess I will have to. Does this mean no cake? Because if I remember correctly, someone promised there would be cake. Tea too, with choice of milk and sugar would be nice. A place to sit as well perhaps, with a bit of a distinctive view. resisting ) Because you know I do like to have my "well, you know" and eat it too. Amazing how when distracted we can drift away from the really important things. Regards John Dillon Pass the sugar please. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:55:55 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? In that case I know I speak for others..... ;0) Jonathan In a message dated 16/05/01 12:28:53 GMT Daylight Time, Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com writes: > I >think I speak for the majority..... > > Well thanks Jonathan but I smell a self elected moral police ticking off > coming on!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:48:03 +0100 From: beauxb@cwctv.net Subject: RE:[AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? From a Lurker/Shirker, I thought I might throw in my tuppence worth! So sombody got a couple of free tickets and decided to flog 'em. What's the big deal? My own opinion is that to sell an emotionally valuable freebie, when it's quite obvious that many Avalonians with very little or no money available would be eternally gratefull, is a great shame. As far as i'm concerned, the whole business should have been given a wide and dignified berth! I know, I know....I've joind the fray too, but only to try bring a little decorum to the proceedings, and, hopefully, draw a final line under this sordid little episode! The things you Avalonians write, and the topics you discuss, (this one notwithstanding), amuse, inform and often delight hardcore fans such as myself, and it sort of saddens me to see you engaging in verbal fisticuffs with this sort of thing. Business as usual?.....Please? BEAUX. Or contact my Mobile E-Mail at ; beaux@orange.net On Wed, 16 May 2001 11:46:11 +0100 Jocelyn Fiske wrote: Received: from smoe.org ([209.58.179.86]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Wed, 16 May 2001 11:55:22 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id GAA29659; Wed, 16 May 2001 06:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 16 May 2001 06:47:54 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id GAA29638 for avalon-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 06:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nt-ncs-exch2.greyeu.com ([193.133.7.2]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id GAA29633 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 06:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NT-NCS-EXCH2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 11:47:27 +0100 Message-ID: <0455EEC1BF24D411B9430008C733BD8E497FD6@NT-GPS-EXCH1> From: Jocelyn Fiske To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" Subject: [AVALON] So everyone has TOTP2 tickets? Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:46:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Return-Path: owner-avalon@smoe.org > For crying out loud--everyone who wanted tickets from this list got tickets, right? Wrong. I was inundated by replies for the two I had going spare. There are still a lot of people out there (regular contributors and lurkers alike - it's all the same) who have been left empty handed. >Meg is not a member and she told me about TOPT2 before I read it here. Well bully for Meg. That gave her ample opportunity to inundate the BBC with bogus requests for tickets and make a nice fat profit. Tell her she has a great future as a tout/scalper. >I've seen more community ethic on the underside of a rock... What do you think AMA was about then? We certainly didn't do it for the good of our health or for profit (everyone was operating on nervous breakdowns and final warnings from our banks until the raffle just about broke us even). We did it because we believed it was about time we could all come together and share something special. Our only regret was that we couldn't do it somewhere that would make it more accessible to our friends across the Pond and in further flung continents. What are all the CD and video trees about? Piece of piss to handle all the orders and mail 'em out Richard. Perhaps you'd like to pick up the gauntlet and run with it next time. Stuff that is originated BY us is shared. Stuff that is originated elsewhere, then it's up to that individual with whom and if they want to share it - that is their choice. The majority on this list will endeavour to help each other out as often as we can - with NO PROFIT MAKING, unless, of course, you count the odd beer, then I hold my hands up as guilty. Personally, if I felt this was merely a mailing list and nothing to do with friendship, I wouldn't bother switching my PC on let alone spend time contributing - and I'm sure that would make certain people very happy, but tough! Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:37:45 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos Honestly, sometimes I think Reecey, the wise-beyond-her-years Laura, and monquiboy are the only people here whose posts I can stand to read! I can't figure out why so many listmembers take every opportunity to prolong rather than curtail namecalling. Even members with so much to offer like Colleen, Martino, Kicki, even fair Jocelyn are so easily goaded. The flap about Richard's friend and her TOTP2 tickets is just the latest in this disgraceful series. I think it would have sufficed to have simply expressed disapproval of selling the tickets rather than lambasting Richard and his friend as "miserable money-grubbing swine." And of course the name-calling led to the inevitable retaliation, and it goes on and on and on... I've been mostly lurking for the better part of two years now, and have spent the last few weeks catching up on the posts I haven't read in that span, so I'm *very* up on the moment about Avalon! While I learned a lot, laughed a bit, and especially enjoyed my vicarious participation in Ferry's National Trust tour thanks to the descriptive powers of the attendees, the most lingering taste in my mouth is Avalonian bile. I belong to eight other music lists, and none approach the level of hubris and personal animosity that this list engages in on a near-daily basis. Many of you talk about some sort of Avalonian ethos, but even with the good the listmembers do for each other (procuring tickets, doing tape/CD-R/video trees, etc.), that ethos seems of dubious existence at best given the regularity with which this list's denizens abandon civility. As far as this alleged Avalonian ethos goes, I too will claim to take my example from the Cool Ruler: I'll keep hoping that common courtesy and sense will one day prevail here, even though I expect that goal will hang out of reach, very Holy Grail. :-) later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:48:56 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Top of the Pops scandal!! " People are going to try to get something for nothing; it's in our nature, and I didn't come to this list for a spiritual reawakening or a moral uplifting to get me away from the capitalist blood in our veins." I go one step further, Grant. Greed is a natural human characteristic, Capitalism is merely one of its many byproducts. "what did Richard really do here? Looks like he just told us some tickets are available for a price." I agree, his original post stated: "...I know there will be different views on this, but if anyone does want to go to the Roxy Music TOTP2 and has been unlucky with tickets,.." Richard properly acknowledged he recognizes there are "different views on this". His acknowledgment was understood by many readers to mean that further discussion on the topic was unnecessary. But then, Jocelyn, with her hindsight, observed: "...but I smell a self elected moral police ticking off coming on!! Hindsight, because Chris, then Jocelyn herself, stormed forward with fierce condemnation and invective toward Richard. Self elected moral policing, indeed. Chris wrote: "...And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you have spent here, you have learned so little about the community ethic that operates here. Jocelyn wrote: "I would just like to say how appalled I am that anyone would have the front to SELL tickets for TOTP2 here. You bunch of miserable money grabbing swine... So Richard, tell you cheapskate mate she doesn't deserve to be at The Riverside Studios with an attitude like that." Tell me was it the lack of discretion on Richard's part that provoked this newly found, high moral, self-appointed grandstanding? Please, do write Avalon List detailing what the "community ethic that operates here" is. As a final note on the issue, I quote Jocelyn once more as she tries to pre-empt any forth coming disagreement on the sensitive subject of "shared material" and "trades": "Stuff that is originated BY us is shared. Stuff that is originated elsewhere, then it's up to that individual with whom and if they want to share it - that is their choice." Yes, absolutely right there, Ms. Fiske. Their choice - since Meg's tickets originated elsewhere, it remains a personal choice should one wish to purchase them. Please, don't trod on Richard's right to post the information. Why was it so important to personally attack him? Best regards. K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:52:59 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] Sun shines in Montreux At the Montreux Jazz festival Jerry Lee Lewis, Robert Plant and Chris Spedding will share the stage for a tribute to Sun Records. Anyone who knows when the film and the cd will be released? Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:14:14 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ethos, schmeethos On 16 May 2001, at 10:37, Miles Goosens wrote: > I can't figure out why so many listmembers take every opportunity to > prolong rather than curtail namecalling. Fair enough... > Even members with so much to offer like Colleen, Martino, Kicki, > even fair Jocelyn are so easily goaded. The flap about Richard's > friend and her TOTP2 tickets is just the latest in this disgraceful > series. Ummm, isn't this prolonging the name-calling? A case of the pot calling the pot a pot? :-) Avalon - it's all too beautiful.... David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:25:24 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sun shines in Montreux I read a report that said it would be aired in the US in December. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han Snijders" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: [AVALON] Sun shines in Montreux > At the Montreux Jazz festival Jerry Lee Lewis, Robert Plant and Chris > Spedding will share > the stage for a tribute to Sun Records. > Anyone who knows when the film and the cd will be released? > > Han > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:52:02 +0100 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] for jocelyn sorry,jocelyn,now that I know what a karmann ghia is,thanks to young ernie the photographer,I have to tell you I can't drive.keep it,it sounds fantastic. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 990063561657.gif] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:57:49 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music Tour 2001 Just as an reminder and for the benefit of those new to the list, I have a simple web site that attempts to collate information about list members attending the various Roxy Music concerts around the world this year. It's an attempt to cut down messages on the list which will be of interest only to a very few Avalonians and so we can meet (or avoid!) other list members at those concerts we attend. It's in need of an update or two (and I really will respond to your message of about a month ago, Diane!) to reflect newly announced dates, which it will get asap. If you'd like to be included, here's how: 1. You email me off list at Roxy_Tour@squires.nildram.co.uk and let me know which date or dates you'll be at. 2. I will put information received up on: http://www.squires.nildram.co.uk/Avalon.html 3. Everybody will then know who's likely to be at each show and can then make contact _off list_ if they so wish. Details of a venue for a pre or post gig meeting can also be posted to the web page via the above address. Regards, David David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK See like who's where: http://www.squires.nildram.co.uk/Avalon.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #182 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest