From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #181 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 06 : Number 181 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available [j.collard@btinternet.com] Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available [=?iso-8859-1?q?Johnny=20Reece?= ] Re: [AVALON] Another Death ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] tickets [nikifrance@hotmail.com] Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] Explorers/Thunderbirds [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Always Un/known [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] the observer ["Nigel Hollis" ] [AVALON] for jocelyn ["Niki H" ] Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On [Richard Evans ] [AVALON] a tempest in a teapot [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Altruism, my arse [Chandla911@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:14:49 00100 From: j.collard@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available Chris - please don't let these actions put you off passing on such information to the list. I was lucky enough to get tickets and was extremely grateful for your tip-off - one of the benefits of being part of the Avalon "community". I share your total distaste that anyone could seek to make personal gain from this, but in fairness to Richard he is not the one "selling" - and at least he has made list members aware of the availability of these tickets. Whether anyone then chooses to participate in such an auction is of course up to them. Personally I wouldn't on principle - but then I've got tickets... :-) See you on 23rd Best wishes Jane >How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for sale something they >received for nothing. I would not have passed on the information about this >gig if I thought people were merely going to exploit that knowledge for >their own personal gain. > >And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you have spent here, you >have learned so little about the community ethic that operates here. > >Chris _____________________________________________________ ______________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > >____________________________________________________ _______________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:58:43 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Johnny=20Reece?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available If anyone still needs freebie tickets for Roxy at TOTP, (and hopefully hasn't had to bid for them !) - after working out this morning who needs what, looks like I will still have a few tickets for this event available. So, any Avalonians still straining at the leash over this one, please contact me offlist asap, on the following address : reecey593@yahoo.co.uk No 'bidding', thanks (what a bloody cheek eh!) but the offer of a tube of Smarties (RED TOP ONLY) might just sway me, though it's not essential. Ta. Reecey... Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:48:58 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available Great to hear that Mrs Thatcher has decided not to attend the gig then Richard! Nigel. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:43:48 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available The two tickets went quicker than ice cream in The Sahara, so apologies to anyone who e-mailed me and was unsuccessful. I have a chronological list of replies so if I get my hands on any more tickets they will be forwarded on to the next person on the list. I would just like to say how appalled I am that anyone would have the front to SELL tickets for TOTP2 here. You bunch of miserable money grabbing swine. The reason I have a couple spare is that a few of us tried for tickets to cover off other Avalonians. I thought that's what this list was about (amongst other things). Being a community and helping eachother as much as we can. I personally will be forever in debt to a number of our US friends for all the offers of help during the tour Stateside. Come to think of it I will be forever in debt period. So Richard, tell you cheapskate mate she doesn't deserve to be at The Riverside Studios with an attitude like that. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Chandla911@aol.com [mailto:Chandla911@aol.com] Sent: 15 May 2001 04:03 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available I have a long-booked holiday starting this week, so TOTP2 was, sadly, never a possibility for me (I don't get back till June 1). But a friend of mine has a spare pair of tickets for the Roxy Music TOTP2 session and is thinking to sell them. She was thinking of offering them at eBay but I said I would post this to Avalon first so committed fans get first chance. I know there will be different views on this, but if anyone does want to go to the Roxy Music TOTP2 and has been unlucky with tickets, I can vouch for her honesty. If you make a deal with her, she WILL provide 2 tickets for the TV show recording. If you would be prepared to buy tickets for the Roxy Music recording of TOTP2 in London, please e-mail Meg at: RTAndrews12@aol.com Tell Meg how much you would be prepared to pay (your uppermost) for the tickets and any contact details for yourself. She will sell them to the highest bidder, making direct contact with the person. I would trust her to be fair in doing this. I'll also suggest to her she lets people know if they are not getting tickets. Please DON'T contact me on this. I really am going away in a couple of days (sick as the proverbial parrot not to be seeing the RoxyTOTP2 show - other than on TV - although 3 x Wembley should be nice) and this is NOT me working under a pseudonym. Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:59:07 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Can't Let Go: Second LA Show! - -----Original Message----- From: jmdillon@mindspring.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:15 PM Subject: [AVALON] Can't Let Go: Second LA Show! >Hello & Good Evening to All > >I have good news that I think will be well received in LA and the West Coast >in General >There will now be a SECOND LA ROXY MUSIC SHOW! >The second show for LA will be also at the Greek and will be on Tuesday >August 7th. *TWITCH*TWITCH* How the hell are they already adding second shows *WITH* ticket info for these locations but *STILL* can`t come up with anything for Atlanta? This crap is getting old! Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:06:25 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Another Death - -----Original Message----- From: Miles Goosens To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Another Death >At 05:20 PM 5/13/2001 -0400, Jads2@aol.com wrote: > >I guess there have been rumours that Lou Reed had died-but he wasw on > >Saturday Night Live last night just to say that he was indeed dead > >I like the idea! Lou may not, in fact, be dead, but he did kill the Velvet >Underground twice. :-) > And it`s a little known fact that if you play Set the Twlight Reeling backwards, you`ll here, "Hang it up, dead man, enough is enough." > >(SatNiteLive is going through another very unfunny phase) > >Since (choose one): C) 1980 Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:12:17 From: nikifrance@hotmail.com Subject: [AVALON] tickets o not buy from this creep,I would rather give my ticket away and not go myself. This email was sent from a BT Payphone. If you have any comments or queries on this service please feel free to mailto:product.help.payphones@bt.com or visit our web site at http://www.payphones.bt.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:20:17 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Turner To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available >How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for sale something they >received for nothing. I would not have passed on the information about this >gig if I thought people were merely going to exploit that knowledge for >their own personal gain. > >And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you have spent here, you >have learned so little about the community ethic that operates here. > >Chris Anything goes in a free market, Chris. You know that. Richard is merely passing on the info so instead of come down on him, at least give him credit for their being offered to the list first. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:38:19 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Explorers/Thunderbirds In a message dated 5/12/01 2:21:14 PM GMT Daylight Time, kbporte@attglobal.net writes: > Totally Diabolical, Lee! > > Wonderful review, KB, I think! Can I use that? :O) - ---------------------------------- Absolutely! And I eagerly await the next installment: Will TGPT beat his way out of impending doom, will Ferry coolly stand by relying upon his good looks for salvation? Just who is the man disguised as Manzo, will he succeed in blowing our troupe apart and what has he done with the rising son? Stay tuned! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:41:53 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Always Un/known Danny - I think you have summed up the Roxy Music albums fairly well! I particularly like your Clockwork Orange comparison. Best wishes, KBP - ------------------------------------------------- Well maybe someone will crucifix me but for me roxy music is first 2 albums like an original soundtrack for a futurible Clockwork Orange then is roxy music & bryan ferry last 3 albums is Bryan Ferry & roxy music no so futuristic sounds just dancin' dancin' and love as drug LOL nice smooth and cute but no more oblique terroristic intriguing experimental re/making re/modelling band of sappers of rock....... forgive ur silly italian pal boys&girls danny ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 04:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available Richard, don't let it get to you. The whole basis of this tour is about making a little dosh. Cheers and welcome to this dysfunctional family. David - --- Chris Turner wrote: > How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for > sale something they > received for nothing. I would not have passed on the > information about this > gig if I thought people were merely going to exploit > that knowledge for > their own personal gain. > > And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you > have spent here, you > have learned so little about the community ethic > that operates here. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:02 AM > Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available > > > > I have a long-booked holiday starting this week, > so TOTP2 was, sadly, > never a > > possibility for me (I don't get back till June 1). > > > > But a friend of mine has a spare pair of tickets > for the Roxy Music TOTP2 > > session and is thinking to sell them. She was > thinking of offering them at > > eBay but I said I would post this to Avalon first > so committed fans get > first > > chance. > > > > I know there will be different views on this, but > if anyone does want to > go > > to the Roxy Music TOTP2 and has been unlucky with > tickets, I can vouch for > > her honesty. If you make a deal with her, she WILL > provide 2 tickets for > the > > TV show recording. > > > > If you would be prepared to buy tickets for the > Roxy Music recording of > TOTP2 > > in London, please e-mail Meg at: > > RTAndrews12@aol.com > > > > Tell Meg how much you would be prepared to pay > (your uppermost) for the > > tickets and any contact details for yourself. She > will sell them to the > > highest bidder, making direct contact with the > person. I would trust her > to > > be fair in doing this. I'll also suggest to her > she lets people know if > they > > are not getting tickets. > > > > Please DON'T contact me on this. I really am going > away in a couple of > days > > (sick as the proverbial parrot not to be seeing > the RoxyTOTP2 show - other > > than on TV - although 3 x Wembley should be nice) > and this is NOT me > working > > under a pseudonym. > > > > Richard Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:50:32 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:15:04 +0100 >From: "Simon Galloway" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On > >Always Unknowing has always sounded unfinished to me, a little too >sparse... Just like my website of the same name. I know how to pick 'em. Grant (it's http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion/ferry.html) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:54:31 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] I'm joing you there in the great Wilds. Mary Tomlinson wrote: "I might just renounce AMERIKA and become CANADA.!!!" I'd really like to see you become CANADA - but you won't find a dress size large enough, Darling! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:57:35 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson/Manifesto era product < Ah, what does the "Mon." in front of Eddie Jobson refer to? > Assume it to be an abbreviation of the French title, Monsieur. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:17:32 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson is MORE than a Manifesto era product Does this mean Eddie Jobson is French ?? (shoulda known, with that pout!) ... perhaps it implies that WE are all French! ... perhaps the writer was french canadian? ... perhaps the writer was smoking something canadian? ... perhaps its just some bit of francophile pretensions ...? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com TheWebGal Domain: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------< KB Porter wrote: > < Ah, what does the "Mon." in front of Eddie Jobson refer to? > > > Assume it to be an abbreviation of the French title, Monsieur. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > Rod LeCloux wrote: > > >> >> From: Mary Tomlinson >> >>Mon. Eddie Jobson, vilolinist suberb had an excellent yet >> >> > Ah, what does the "Mon." in front of Eddie Jobson refer to? > It was repeated thru the entire post. > > Da Rod > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:48:17 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson is MORE than a Manifesto era product So, Ms. Tomlinson, what is the correct answer? :^] - ----------------------------------- Does this mean Eddie Jobson is French ?? (shoulda known, with that pout!) ... perhaps it implies that WE are all French! ... perhaps the writer was french canadian? ... perhaps the writer was smoking something canadian? ... perhaps its just some bit of francophile pretensions ...? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com TheWebGal Domain: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------< KB Porter wrote: > < Ah, what does the "Mon." in front of Eddie Jobson refer to? > > > Assume it to be an abbreviation of the French title, Monsieur. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:54:55 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson/Manifesto era product From: KB Porter > < Ah, what does the "Mon." in front of Eddie Jobson refer to? > > Assume it to be an abbreviation of the French title, Monsieur. Thanks KB, I think I get it now:) Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:57:51 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson is MORE than a Manifesto era product From: Heather James > Does this mean Eddie Jobson is French ?? > (shoulda known, with that pout!) My rock discography says Eddie was born April 28, 1955 in Billingham, Teeside, England. "Bloodly well right, then governor" :) Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:33:35 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On That's the winner of this week! Very funny > >Always Unknowing has always sounded unfinished to me, a little too > >sparse... > > Just like my website of the same name. I know how to pick 'em. > > Grant > (it's http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion/ferry.html) > _________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:35:21 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available > >How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for sale something they > >received for nothing. I would not have passed on the information about this > >gig if I thought people were merely going to exploit that knowledge for > >their own personal gain. > > > >And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you have spent here, you > >have learned so little about the community ethic that operates here. > > > >Chris gene wrote> > Anything goes in a free market, Chris. You know that. > Richard is merely passing on the info so instead of come down on him, at > least give him credit for their being offered to the list first. Give someone credit for that, isn't that a bit too much? BTW the free market is cynical and grasping so Chris was absolute right. But I prefer the way Jocelyn described it: "You bunch of miserable money grabbing swine". That was a good one, I can almost hear her saying it :-) Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:39:55 EDT From: Popsmvp@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Being a fan of bad television shows based on great cars (Crime Story, anyone?), I was watching a tape of the pilot for the tv series Viper (1994) last night and lo and behold, the credits listed the music as being written by Eddie Jobson! Not bad music, kind of dated but hey, consider that it's network tv. Listening to Country Life on the way to work this morning, how could Bryan NOT being a concert with either The Thrill Of It All or Out Of The Blue? Cheers, y'all! PattyO ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:42:57 -0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: [AVALON] S. Humphries; D. Squires; D. Martin;M. Hertinstall. Could you contact me off list please. Thanks. Regards, Andrew _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:43:10 -0500 From: "Mary Tomlinson" Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 Greetings, If the TOTP2 taping occurs after June 6, I will purchase the tickets. The Prairie Rose in her garden - maryjtomlinson@home.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:18:10 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] the observer For those that have been reading the "Grauniad" over the years, the term is one of affection rather than reality. The typographical errors were legend and became the hallmark of the paper. (One memorable occasion was when they were reporting about a person Count so and so...... and they ommited the letter "o" from Count!) For trivia fans, the term was not an invention of Private Eye as is commonly believed, it was an error the paper made when refering to itself and the name stuck. From an artistic point of view, the paper has always, in my experience, covered Mr Ferry/Roxy Music widely and in a positive way, always concerned more with style and substance than stories about socks. Niki, a few years ago was circa 1985, time flies! Nigel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:41:58 +0100 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] for jocelyn jocelyn(nice name)I would love to help you go to New York and everywhere you want,if only I knew what a karmann ghia is! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:40:12 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On Thanks for all the comments about TTYO/AU I agree that TTYO is one of Ferry's best and my guess was it was recorded at the same time as Jealous Guy. If it was too good to leave of Avalon, why not re-record it with messers Mackay, Manzaners, Newmark, Hubbard et al and keep up that smoothest of smooth sounds. Cheers Richard ( not THE richard who was at least letting us know some tix were available) Simon Galloway wrote: > Always Unkowing has always sounded unfinished to me, a little too sparse. A bit working on it and it would have been ideal for the album. TTYO is a strange one, very obviously started during the BSB sessions, maybe worked on for Maniesto and originally turning up on the b side of Jealous Guy, in a very different mix aswell. It always reminded me of A Really Good Time. > > With that suggestion, I'd keep TTYO, take off True To Life and replace it with AU. > > There. Sorted. > > SimonG > > >>> Richard Evans 05/14 10:58 am >>> > I have always been puzzled by the presence of TTYO on Avalon rather than > AU. I love TTYO as a song but its a Ferry performance and the sound is > so un Avalon. > > With AU the album relly would have been seemless. > > Cheers > > Richard > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:54:01 +0100 From: "anotherphotographer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] for jocelyn` oops am I butting in? Hi The Karmann Ghia is a beautiful sports car and was offered in soft top and hard top form It was built by Karmann (as were original convertible "Beetles") and was designed by Ghia (pre-Ford days) It looked as though it would "do" 120 MPH but alas it was only a VW Beetle in wolfs (or Porsche?) clothing. Very nice but no 356! Drive, sit in or just look at and play Virginia Pl...>>>MMMMMMMM regards young Ernie - ----- Original Message ----- From: Niki H To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: [AVALON] for jocelyn > jocelyn(nice name)I would love to help you go to New York and everywhere you > want,if only I knew what a karmann ghia is! > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:01:29 +0100 From: "Steve Humphries" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On What about "Lover"? A truly great B-side and, IMHO, even better than TTYO or AU. It wouldn't have fitted on F&B, and was more like an Avalon warm-up. - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 15 May 2001 19:48 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Always Unknowing/To Turn You On >Thanks for all the comments about TTYO/AU > >I agree that TTYO is one of Ferry's best and my guess was it was recorded at the same time as Jealous Guy. > >If it was too good to leave of Avalon, why not re-record it with messers Mackay, Manzaners, Newmark, Hubbard et al and keep up that smoothest of smooth sounds. > >Cheers > >Richard ( not THE richard who was at least letting us know some tix were available) > >Simon Galloway wrote: > >> Always Unkowing has always sounded unfinished to me, a little too sparse. A bit working on it and it would have been ideal for the album. TTYO is a strange one, very obviously started during the BSB sessions, maybe worked on for Maniesto and originally turning up on the b side of Jealous Guy, in a very different mix aswell. It always reminded me of A Really Good Time. >> >> With that suggestion, I'd keep TTYO, take off True To Life and replace it with AU. >> >> There. Sorted. >> >> SimonG >> >> >>> Richard Evans 05/14 10:58 am >>> >> I have always been puzzled by the presence of TTYO on Avalon rather than >> AU. I love TTYO as a song but its a Ferry performance and the sound is >> so un Avalon. >> >> With AU the album relly would have been seemless. >> >> Cheers >> >> Richard >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:39:05 0000 From: "diane whateley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 tickets available I must say that I couldn't believe Richard's posting to the list. Whilst I also realise that he was merely the messenger, I feel that his friend's intentions were/are completely morally reprehensible and inexcusable, however, unfortunately, by association,he has been tarred with the same brush, to a degree. I find the market forces argument, however reflective of 'real life', distasteful....how far will some people go to make a fast buck? What would the BBC make of someone doing this at their expense? What would their legal position be? I too, appreciate the benefits of Avalon and I wouldn't be where I am today without it(!!).This whole episode runs contrary to the spirit of the list and devalues its moral credibility, especially when scrupulous efforts are made not to profit from our in- house/list CD/Video trees. Knowing too that the list is perused on occasion by representatives of the BF/RM organisation, also reinforces my feeling that the moral integrity of the list should be maintained. (Not wanting to sound too sanctimonious, but probably failing!!) Diane - -- On Tue, 15 May 2001 10:14:49 j.collard wrote: >Chris - please don't let these actions put you off >passing on such information to the list. I was lucky >enough to get tickets and was extremely grateful for >your tip-off - one of the benefits of being part of the >Avalon "community". > >I share your total distaste that anyone could seek to >make personal gain from this, but in fairness to Richard >he is not the one "selling" - and at least he has made >list members aware of the availability of these tickets. >Whether anyone then chooses to participate in such an >auction is of course up to them. Personally I wouldn't >on principle - but then I've got tickets... :-) > >See you on 23rd > >Best wishes >Jane > >>How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for sale >something they >>received for nothing. I would not have passed on the >information about this >>gig if I thought people were merely going to exploit >that knowledge for >>their own personal gain. >> >>And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you >have spent here, you >>have learned so little about the community ethic that >operates here. >> >>Chris >_____________________________________________________ >______________ >>> The subliminable footer says: >>> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>> unsubscribe avalon >> >> >>____________________________________________________ >_______________________ >>The subliminable footer says: >>To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:44:19 -0700 From: "Peter Kohut" Subject: [AVALON] Tickets Chris wrote: >How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for sale something they received for nothing. Here Here. Thanks for the sentiments. I know your never afraid to speak your mind. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] a tempest in a teapot Such moral outrage! Such righteous indignation! Such gnashing of teeth and tearing of garments in Avalon! Where's Monquiboy when you really need him? On Tue, 15 May 2001, diane whateley wrote: [...] > I too, appreciate the benefits of Avalon and I wouldn't be where I am > today without it(!!).This whole episode runs contrary to the spirit of > the list and devalues its moral credibility, especially when > scrupulous efforts are made not to profit from our in- house/list > CD/Video trees. Oh please, it's just a mailing list. How did it suddenly become this beacon of "moral credibility?" And anyway, trust me, you'd be shocked and saddened if you learned what disappointing behavior has gone on under the guise of trading here previously. > Knowing too that the list is perused on occasion by representatives of > the BF/RM organisation, also reinforces my feeling that the moral > integrity of the list should be maintained. Why? Has this list suddenly been sanctioned by The Vatican? Do I need to go to Confession before posting the list? Please remember that you do not speak for anyone but yourself. Your idea[l]s of this mailing list as having some sort of "moral integrity" as well as your belief that such perusal by these alleged representatives is desirable or wanted are not shared by everyone here. I wasn't thrilled to read the message in question because it's not the spirit of list membership that I personally subscribe to, but to tar and feather Richard and to engage in such moral caterwauling over this is really over-reacting. For crying out loud--everyone who wanted tickets from this list got tickets, right? And no one is forcing anyone to buy these tickets, right? It's not like Richard named names or anything. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:38:06 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Altruism, my arse >From: "Chris Turner" > >How cynical and grasping of someone to offer for sale something they >received for nothing. Couldn't agree more. Welcome to the real world. >I would not have passed on the information about this gig if I thought people were >merely going to exploit that knowledge for their own personal gain. Sweet of you to think yourself the font of all knowledge. But while I glean and contribute information via Avalon, Meg is not a member and she told me about TOPT2 before I read it here. >And how disappointing Richard, that in the time you have spent here, you have >learned so little about the community ethic that operates here. Pur-leeze...community ethic? Tell that to people leaving and unsending messages to the Manzo board, those ripping each other's throats out over bloodsports or just those who get to redress society's imbalance by bitching about each other (just who did mass-produce boots of Horsocope?). For every regular contributor, for every genuinely positive force (Reecey, SimonG et al - - they'll know who they are), there's 50 lurkers who never make themselves known. I've seen more community ethic on the underside of a rock... >Spare me the piety. You can't smugly remove yourself from something that is > ethically and legally wrong. Piety. Interesting you should bring that up. Legally wrong? Sorry Rumpole, which law did she break? >Altruism, my arse. Sorry if my post upset anyone, but I never suggested we oblige people to sign up, force them to offer payment for something they do not want. There's no dandy highwayman, no "Money or Your Life" - we're all dancing in the freedom of the Western world and we can come and go as we please. In the midst of all the election psycho-babble, we all have the choice of voting with our feet... Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #181 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest