From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #162 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 06 : Number 162 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Test ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Can we try to help? (Was: Re: [AVALON] Test) [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Le Grand Rex DVD - is it OUT yet?? [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: TV Show (now OT) ["R. Jackson" ] [AVALON] Fw: GOOD NEWS FOR UK ROXY MUSIC FANS ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: Eddie Van Halen [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] Ticket sales seem to be going well ["C. H. Soetemann" ] RE: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love [Jocelyn Fiske ] RE: [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] Re : Rhapsody DIVINE intervention ???? ["danilo" Subject: [AVALON] Test Oi! Delete it! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:01:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Can we try to help? (Was: Re: [AVALON] Test) On Wed, 2 May 2001, SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: > Oi! Delete it! I know from some off-list conversation that at least one list member can't post the to the list anymore, and Simon's test post makes me think all of the recent test posts are sparked by the same thing. The weird thing is that the test posts are fine, but subsequent attempts to follow up with content never show up. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions (the posts in question are formatted correctly, etc.)? Colleen (hoping this shows up) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:14:00 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: TV Show < Oh yeah they should also do Conan's show. I'm sure he is a fan. Jas > Yes, Ferry did the Conan show while on tour with As Time Goes By. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:34:30 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Le Grand Rex DVD - is it OUT yet?? < This whole saga is yet another two fingered salute for the fans. Jonathan > Speaking of which, this reckless regard (and possibly stupid marketing), is right in line with Mr. Ferry's denial of Avalon List's existence, and Roxy Music's denial of an existing tribute band, Re-make Re-model, and the nearly non-existent maintenance of and interactivity with fans on bryanferry.com. I wonder, does Ferry know the name of any of his fans who frequently attend his gigs? Does he acknowledge their existence? Jocelyn, John O'Brien,.....? Surely your attendance to the Moscow gig last year deserved at least a WARM hello from BF. Has he ever been anything other than "obligating polite"? Been anything more than 'out of reach is out of touch'? 'Beauty should be deeper than your skin', you know. Why are fans abused. And why do fans put up with this abuse? Jeepers, if his musical output hadn't been so good I'd have unloaded his work to the cut-out bin long ago! KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: TV Show On Wed, 2 May 2001, KB Porter wrote: > < Oh yeah they should also do Conan's show. I'm > sure he is a fan. > > Jas > > > Yes, Ferry did the Conan show while on tour with As Time Goes By. Except, as entertaining as he is, an appearance on Conan at 12:30 is a significant step down from being with the Big Boys at 11:30. Personally I detest Jay Leno--he's an ass and he steps all over his guest's stories since he thinks he is so much more interesting--and I would much prefer the no interview approach of the Letterman show. Colleen ("no interviews, please") ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 06:53:37 -0700 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: TV Show (now OT) When Carson retired the Tonight Show became unwatchable, IMO. I was never a huge Johnny Carson fan, but he had a certain grace that managed to make even his bad moments tolerable. I can take about 30 seconds of Leno before I run screaming from my home. What I can't understand is how Leno's managed to stay on the air for nearly a decade. - -Rob At 09:32 AM 05/02/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Personally I >detest Jay Leno--he's an ass and he steps all over his guest's stories >since he thinks he is so much more interesting--and I would much prefer >the no interview approach of the Letterman show. > >Colleen ("no interviews, please") ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:56:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love Allow me to indulge myself and advocate for the devil for a bit. On Wed, 2 May 2001, KB Porter wrote: > < This whole saga is yet another two fingered salute for the fans. > > Jonathan > > Speaking of which, this reckless regard (and possibly stupid > marketing), is right in line with Mr. Ferry's denial of Avalon List's > existence, and Roxy Music's denial of an existing tribute band, > Re-make Re-model, and the nearly non-existent maintenance of and > interactivity with fans on bryanferry.com. > > I wonder, does Ferry know the name of any of his fans who frequently > attend his gigs? Does he acknowledge their existence? Jocelyn, John > O'Brien,.....? Surely your attendance to the Moscow gig last year > deserved at least a WARM hello from BF. Has he ever been anything > other than "obligating polite"? Been anything more than 'out of reach > is out of touch'? > > 'Beauty should be deeper than your skin', you know. > > Why are fans abused. And why do fans put up with this abuse? > Jeepers, if his musical output hadn't been so good I'd have unloaded > his work to the cut-out bin long ago! First, there is an excellent chance that Mr. Ferry has absolutely .nothing. to do with the appearance or disappearance of secondary or tertiary materials such as DVDs. Second, there is even a good chance that his management had little control over production and/or distribution difficulties of said items. These may be a "two fingered salute" to fans, but I'm not sure it's coming from either Mr. Ferry or his management. Third, why does a website have to have interaction with fans? In this case it's clearly a promotional tool, strictly interested in putting out propaganda (which is reasonable enough). Fourth, what exactly does Mr. Ferry owe us? I am always very interested in this issue of entitlement that springs up on the various fan mailing lists I reside on. Leaving aside the issue of the list and the tribute band (for perhaps Mr. Ferry feels it's best for his own reasons, unknown to us, to feign ignorance on these issues at the risk of making himself look foolish), if one is not personally invited to attend a show, then why would you expect anything other than that performance? Or maybe it's just me. Whether I go to 1 show or 1000, I would never think my constant presence in the audience entitled me to some sort of audience or recognition from Mr. Ferry. Why should he have to be more than polite to people he has not extended invitations to? Neil Finn wrote a book about his last tour (_Once Removed_). In it he writes: > In the course of a tour I meet so many people - brief acquaintances > and fleeting exchanges - that it becomes really difficult to remember > names and even faces. Add to that the fact that many people come up to > say hello like old friends. They have listened to your music for > years, they feel as if they know you. I tend to assume I know them too > and gush accordingly, just to be on the safe side, but it leaves you > feeling a little insincere. [...] > I was brought up to be polite, but at times I would love to be able to > bluntly tell creeps to piss off. I've watched Iggy Pop abuse people > backstage and they lapped it up - that's quite a talent. Is this preferable to a polite "hello" and a handshake? Did Mr. Finn owe me something special because I turned up at his one-off show in London in February? Does Mr. Ferry owe anything more than a performance to people who turn up at his shows but who have not been issued invitations from him or his management? I like Mr. Ferry's music, and his aloofness doesn't deter me. In fact, I kind of admire him for it. As I wrote a while back to another list member, there's something wonderfully vulnerable and lost about Mr. Ferry (and dark and decadent too) which I think most people on the list Just Don't Get. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:09:04 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: GOOD NEWS FOR UK ROXY MUSIC FANS I just got this from the BBC Chris > I'm e-mailing to inform you of an event that may be of interest to your > site's UK visitors and what's more the tickets are free! > > The details are as follows: > > TOTP2 PRESENTS > ROXY MUSIC SPECIAL > FEATURING BRYAN FERRY ANDY MACKAY & PHIL MANZANERA > Wednesday May 23 2001 > Studio Doors Open 7.00 p.m. Studio Doors Close 7.30 p.m. > Venue: Riverside Studios > Crisp Road, London W6 9RL > Nearest Tube: Hammersmith > > For FREE tickets call 020 8576 1227 > or e-mail tv.ticket.unit@bbc.co.uk > > This is a unique opportunity to see the guys in their only TV performance > before their Reunion Tour begins in June. > > Please post up this info a s a p because we won't have these tickets for > long. > > All the best > Justine ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:19:00 +0100 From: Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com Subject: [AVALON] Hello Hello folks, I've just joined the Avalon mailing list, so I thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Len, I'm 40 years old, live near Edinburgh, and have been a Roxy/Ferry fanatic since my early teens. I remember tuning in to TOTP to see my then heroes, Gary Glitter and Slade, and catching this unfamiliar guy in a white suit, lying on a couch, singing a song called Smoke Gets In Your Eyes. My Dad said he was ruining a great song. Maybe it was teenage rebellion against my Father, but I was hooked. An older mate at school had all the albums up until then, and he introduced them to me gradually. That December my old man had to suffer the indignity of asking for a copy of Country Life in Woolies. On Christmas morning my new LP was in front of the fireplace, with a pair of woolly socks sellotaped over the girls. I first saw Bryan on the Lets Stick Together album tour in Edinburgh. My Mum asked me what I wanted for my birthday. I told her that I wanted to see Bryan Ferry. She got me ONE ticket. Still, I'd never been so happy in all my life that night. Though I did get a shock when I heard my very first live song. I thought Bryan would sound just like my LP's. He has got better and better over the years though - Castle Howard last Summer was the best I've heard him perform yet. And what a band. After the concert I thought that I didn't care any more if Roxy didn't do a farewell tour, They simply couldn't be as good as last years line-up. I saw them in Glasgow, and was so impressed I just had to catch them again. So my wife (who tolerates my obsession) and I went down to York for the weekend to see them at Castle Howard. I wasn't let down, especially by Lucy's Out Of The Blue solo - just incredible. The only thing that was wrong with that night was that I didn't really take much notice of the 'picnic concert' idea. We did take a couple of old deckchairs, but felt a right couple of halfwits sitting there with a can of coke and a packet of Opal Fruits between us. Of course, all through my 'pulling' years, I thought I was Bryan. I smoked his brand of cigarette, wore a white tux on Roxy nights in Edinburgh nightclubs, and charmed the ladies with some beautiful lines courtesy of Bryan. All of my old flames had to suffer my taste in music. Anyone out there agree that Windswept has the perfect rythm for after midnight activities? My fav tracks are, Just Like You, A Really Good Time, Serenade, Beauty Queen, Mother Of Pearl, Smoke Gets In Your Eyes and A Song For Europe. The only track I dislike is the single version of Angel Eyes - makes me cringe, and I've never sat down yet when I've heard Lets Stick Together, Also I thought that the Shakespeare Sonnet was very well done. Enough - Hope to hear from some of you if my drivel strikes a chord. PS - my wife conceived on the night of the Bryan Ferry concert at Castle Howard last year - she is due on 11th June - the night of the Roxy Music gig in Glasgow - guess where I'll be that night ? 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How would you like to be mobbed, groped, asked for autographs and be told some boring story about "I saw you when you played ___________ in 1975" when perhaps all you really want to do after playing an exhausting concert is to have a quiet meal, or a quiet drink or perhaps go for a solitary walk? You may also want to consider that perhaps Bryan is afraid of perfect strangers thrusting themselves at him. Remember John Lennon and what happened when he decided to be friendly to the wrong person. I truly believe that Bryan, and all other artists, owe nothing to their fans except to create good music and perhaps do an occasional live appearance. Abuse, indeed. I think you've got it backwards. Why don't you get a good therapist? PattyO (still pissed off, can't you tell?) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:52:18 -0000 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: [AVALON] Hello Dear All Just thought I'd drop an e-mail to commemorate the passing of one year today since I joined the list. I joined straight after the 2nd Dublin concert (I was so bowled over)and have never looked back. I lurked for a bit, I was even too shy to come up to fellow Avalonians at the Tatton Park stately home gig, however one vocal posting re tix for Blickling and I've never looked back. In the space of one year I've remembered song lines I forgot I'd ever known, engaged in debates over albums released when I was a nipper and spent too much money than I care to think on my magnficent obssession. Colleagues have despaired of 'that list you're on' and then quietly asked after it. Family have chauffeured me the length and breadth of the country to meet y'all and see some bloke in leather trousers who may be BF, or indeed may be someone who by profession pretends to be him. My work habits have been extremely disturbed and I now have a laptop superglued to my arm at all times. Crazy? Yeah Crazy Love (you knew it was coming) Here's to us all! Cheers Therese _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:52:57 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love Oh for heavens sake. Common kindness to fans should be compulsary. Bryan is VERY well off thanks to people who happen to like his music. The LEAST he could do is sign an autograph etc.... Put yourself in Bryans place, he knows who put him at the top.... Jonathan In a message dated 02/05/01 16:12:30 GMT Daylight Time, Popsmvp@aol.com writes: > > Right on, Colleen! I wonder if the so-called FANS of Bryan would take a > moment and put themselves in Bryan's place. How would you like to be > mobbed, > groped, asked for autographs and be told some boring story about "I saw you > when you played ___________ in 1975" when perhaps all you really want to do > after playing an exhausting concert is to have a quiet meal, or a > quiet drink or perhaps go for a solitary walk? You may also want to > consider > that perhaps Bryan is afraid of perfect strangers thrusting themselves at > him. Remember John Lennon and what happened when he decided to be friendly > to > the wrong person. > > I truly believe that Bryan, and all other artists, owe nothing to their > fans > except to create good music and perhaps do an occasional live appearance. > > Abuse, indeed. I think you've got it backwards. Why don't you get a good > therapist? > > PattyO (still pissed off, can't you tell?) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:11:51 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Eddie Van Halen Rumors had been flying about Halen , because he had been in Houston,Tx. seeing a speciaist about what was rumored at the time as tongue cancer. He now has made it public he does have cancer & is trying to beat the odds. As kind of cancer he's not saying. He & Valarie Bertinella married around 1984 & have a son Wolfgang.----------------------------------------------- For Jas I know you like Los Lobos like I do . On the Billboard of Latin Music Awards this past wk. they were given A lifetime achievement award . Well deserved ...................................... Saw where the UK. is checking into Country's CD pricing. France, Germany, Sweden & the USA. Finding that UK is the highest with Sweden # 2. A CD will cost in UK 19.00 American dollars, where the same in USA would be on the average 12.00 to 15.00 dollars. CD pricing in Uk have been under heavy scurtiny for a while. Maybe now you Brits will finally get a break. Marlana............................. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:12:19 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK Has anyone attempted to buy tickets for any of the US venues on their account on Ticketmaster.com from the UK and been successful? The reason I ask is I managed it from the States but am having no luck with anything coming up from this end. All help gratefully received. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:12:45 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love - -----Original Message----- From: Popsmvp@aol.com [mailto:Popsmvp@aol.com] Sent: 02 May 2001 15:46 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love Right on, Colleen! I wonder if the so-called FANS of Bryan would take a moment and put themselves in Bryan's place. How would you like to be mobbed, groped, asked for autographs and be told some boring story about "I saw you when you played ___________ in 1975" when perhaps all you really want to do after playing an exhausting concert is to have a quiet meal, or a quiet drink or perhaps go for a solitary walk? You may also want to consider that perhaps Bryan is afraid of perfect strangers thrusting themselves at him. Remember John Lennon and what happened when he decided to be friendly to the wrong person. I truly believe that Bryan, and all other artists, owe nothing to their fans except to create good music and perhaps do an occasional live appearance. Abuse, indeed. I think you've got it backwards. Why don't you get a good therapist? PattyO (still pissed off, can't you tell?) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:18:58 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] Mr Reece regrets... ....he's unable to post today. So I am doing it by proxy. He wishes to remind you good folk of Avalonia that the cut off point for ordering the magnificent collector's items of A Rhapsody Divine and Penthouse Perfection has now been extended by two weeks. Orders now in by May 28th please or there'll be hell to pay - oops sorry, turned into a Fiske e-mail for a moment there. Two more fabulous collections you are yet to see (except maybe Price and Westwood). cc. Reecey ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:22:09 +0100 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: [AVALON] Ticket sales seem to be going well Dear Avalonians, today, together with a friend, I bought my ticket for the show in Hamburg. I was extremely surprised to see that sales seem to be going very well, as the majority of seats (thus excluding the arena) has already been sold. And it's just a few weeks since the dates have been announced. Could it be that there is some interest in Roxy in this musically frequently so harassed country after all (good not having to fear a pro-Teutonic attack by another list member anymore...)? Does anybody know about the ticket sales in UK and USA? Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:25:33 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 Well I think we just scared the BBC Audience Unit half to death!! If any of us are successful in receiving tickets and there are any "spares" rest assured we will post to the list post haste offering them up. Shades of Golders Green? Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:28:57 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love Ooooh sorry, don't know how that got sent, I haven't even read it yet, let alone have an opinion on it. It's been a strange day here in the electronic ether. - -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Fiske [mailto:Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com] Sent: 02 May 2001 17:13 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love - -----Original Message----- From: Popsmvp@aol.com [mailto:Popsmvp@aol.com] Sent: 02 May 2001 15:46 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love Right on, Colleen! I wonder if the so-called FANS of Bryan would take a moment and put themselves in Bryan's place. How would you like to be mobbed, etc.... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:31:18 EDT From: AMCORPLTD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love I was walking through the bar-lobby of the Westin hotel in 1979 and spotted Bryan having a drink in the atrium. I didn't want to bother him but caught his eye and waved. He invited me over, bought me a drink and chatted about the up-coming show the next night in Detroit. Nice guy, class act. Brad. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:36:06 -0700 From: "Marcia Sexton" Subject: RE: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love OK, here are my two bits: My impression has been that most artists with celebrity status deny knowledge of groups such as this (even if they or their publicist or security people do monitor them) and being on the web for the simple reason that there may be nefarious types out there posing as them with all the wrong intentions, and they need to avoid being associated with this kind of activity and prevent fraud committed in their name. Let's face it; Tiger Woods' name was used to rip businesses off for over $17,000.00 over here recently, and the guy did not even look like Tiger; thank god no one was lured to some remote location and physically assaulted. As far as I am aware, traditional good manners discourage activity that involves over familiarity and insincerity, and this certainly seems in context with Mr. Ferry's impeccable behavior. Plus, many artists put a lot of "heart and soul" into their work; with such personal material in the public eye, they may not feel like analyzing and justifying it to strangers. I will go to the show feeling fortunate to merely have the opportunity to do so. I also hope to meet some of you before or after the show. If one or all of us decides to extend an invitation to members of the band to join us, and if I get the opportunity to meet any of the "Roxy"s, all I would hope to do is convey my respect and thanks for their work and what is means to me. This, despite the fact that Mr. Ferry's music inspires me to attempt to suck the fillings out of his teeth. I understand the difference between my internal world and his life; I will behave in a dignified manner, and perhaps hope I can get a snapshot as well as develop one of the favorite memories of my life. Marcia Sexton--hope to meet you at the Concord show. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:57 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] you owe me some kind of love Allow me to indulge myself and advocate for the devil for a bit. On Wed, 2 May 2001, KB Porter wrote: > < This whole saga is yet another two fingered salute for the fans. > > Jonathan > > Speaking of which, this reckless regard (and possibly stupid > marketing), is right in line with Mr. Ferry's denial of Avalon List's > existence, and Roxy Music's denial of an existing tribute band, > Re-make Re-model, and the nearly non-existent maintenance of and > interactivity with fans on bryanferry.com. > > I wonder, does Ferry know the name of any of his fans who frequently > attend his gigs? Does he acknowledge their existence? Jocelyn, John > O'Brien,.....? Surely your attendance to the Moscow gig last year > deserved at least a WARM hello from BF. Has he ever been anything > other than "obligating polite"? Been anything more than 'out of reach > is out of touch'? > > 'Beauty should be deeper than your skin', you know. > > Why are fans abused. And why do fans put up with this abuse? > Jeepers, if his musical output hadn't been so good I'd have unloaded > his work to the cut-out bin long ago! First, there is an excellent chance that Mr. Ferry has absolutely .nothing. to do with the appearance or disappearance of secondary or tertiary materials such as DVDs. Second, there is even a good chance that his management had little control over production and/or distribution difficulties of said items. These may be a "two fingered salute" to fans, but I'm not sure it's coming from either Mr. Ferry or his management. Third, why does a website have to have interaction with fans? In this case it's clearly a promotional tool, strictly interested in putting out propaganda (which is reasonable enough). Fourth, what exactly does Mr. Ferry owe us? I am always very interested in this issue of entitlement that springs up on the various fan mailing lists I reside on. Leaving aside the issue of the list and the tribute band (for perhaps Mr. Ferry feels it's best for his own reasons, unknown to us, to feign ignorance on these issues at the risk of making himself look foolish), if one is not personally invited to attend a show, then why would you expect anything other than that performance? Or maybe it's just me. Whether I go to 1 show or 1000, I would never think my constant presence in the audience entitled me to some sort of audience or recognition from Mr. Ferry. Why should he have to be more than polite to people he has not extended invitations to? Neil Finn wrote a book about his last tour (_Once Removed_). In it he writes: > In the course of a tour I meet so many people - brief acquaintances > and fleeting exchanges - that it becomes really difficult to remember > names and even faces. Add to that the fact that many people come up to > say hello like old friends. They have listened to your music for > years, they feel as if they know you. I tend to assume I know them too > and gush accordingly, just to be on the safe side, but it leaves you > feeling a little insincere. [...] > I was brought up to be polite, but at times I would love to be able to > bluntly tell creeps to piss off. I've watched Iggy Pop abuse people > backstage and they lapped it up - that's quite a talent. Is this preferable to a polite "hello" and a handshake? Did Mr. Finn owe me something special because I turned up at his one-off show in London in February? Does Mr. Ferry owe anything more than a performance to people who turn up at his shows but who have not been issued invitations from him or his management? I like Mr. Ferry's music, and his aloofness doesn't deter me. In fact, I kind of admire him for it. As I wrote a while back to another list member, there's something wonderfully vulnerable and lost about Mr. Ferry (and dark and decadent too) which I think most people on the list Just Don't Get. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:48:24 -0000 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK vanessa told me that to buy from ticketmaster.com you needed a US billing address. Might this explain matters? Sistah T. >From: Jocelyn Fiske >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK >Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:12:19 +0100 > >Has anyone attempted to buy tickets for any of the US venues on their >account on Ticketmaster.com from the UK and been successful? > >The reason I ask is I managed it from the States but am having no luck with >anything coming up from this end. > >All help gratefully received. > > > >Jocelyn > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:54:01 -0700 From: "Marcia Sexton" Subject: [AVALON] TicketMaster US The TicketMaster US system has a provision for non-US residents to buy tickets. Just buy the tickets without setting up an account. Here is the link: http://www.ticketmaster.com/ This appears to work from my end, hope it works for you too. Marcia Sexton ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:01:23 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK No, I have that, it might just be that Ticketmaster.com gets temperamental (know the feeling) I keep getting messages about servers being closed for overnight maintenance. As I say, strange day indeed. But thanks anyway T. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Therese O'Donnell [mailto:todsiren@hotmail.com] Sent: 02 May 2001 17:48 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK vanessa told me that to buy from ticketmaster.com you needed a US billing address. Might this explain matters? Sistah T. >From: Jocelyn Fiske >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: [AVALON] Buying tickets for the US from the UK >Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:12:19 +0100 > >Has anyone attempted to buy tickets for any of the US venues on their >account on Ticketmaster.com from the UK and been successful? > >The reason I ask is I managed it from the States but am having no luck with >anything coming up from this end. > >All help gratefully received. > > > >Jocelyn > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Louis Simone Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rhapsody etc Hi, Paulclevo from Ravenna, Ohio...I haven't called you with my credit # yet cause I am always at work, and can't make an international phone call from there...is there a way to fax it to you? Or is there a pre-arranged time that I would be able to call you with it that is earlier or later? paulclevo Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:37:43 +0200 From: "danilo" Subject: [AVALON] Re : Rhapsody DIVINE intervention ???? I cannot believe there is another Ravenna in Ohio!!!!!!!!!! danilo Ravenna ITALY - -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: "Louis Simone" A: Data invio: mercoledl 2 maggio 2001 19.14 Oggetto: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rhapsody etc > Hi, > > Paulclevo from Ravenna, Ohio...I haven't called you with my credit # yet cause I am always at work, and can't make an international phone call from there...is there a way to fax it to you? Or is there a pre-arranged time that I would be able to call you with it that is earlier or later? > > > > paulclevo ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ignacio "peyró" Subject: [AVALON] My first mail to the list...Best wishes Dear Roxy fans, I have just become a member of the mailing list, and I must say I am glad about it. I did not know wether I should write this first mail, but here I am. First of all, I hope you will excuse my english, which is certainly, not very brilliant. Second: in this small mail, I will say something about myself and about the way I met Roxy, etc.; so, if this thing bores you, you just have to eliminate this mail! My name is Ignacio (Nacho, it is the shortname) Peyrs, and I am a young spaniard -20 years old-. Here in Spain there are not many Roxy fans, and I wonder if I am the first spanish in the list. I study two careers and I work for a writer, which is not famous at all, not even in Spain. I was born in Madrid, and here is where I live. Well, I invite you all to my sunny country -not sunny today, sadly-; my town is full of museums and nice parks and bars :) I first knew about Bryan Ferry when I was thirteen, reading a music magazine. They interviewed him and I thought, "well, this man is surprisingly brilliant". After that, I was always surprised to see the Roxy albums in the stores -wondering what my mom would say if I tood COUNTRY LIFE home. At that time, I did not know there was a relation between Bryan and Roxy -I was too young, I said it. Finally, two years ago I bought MORE THAN THIS-THE BEST OF BRYAN FERRY AND ROXY MUSIC, and I was pleased by the quality and variety of his songs. So I started to buy every single record and today I am a complete Roxy fan. My friends and family have to bear it as a cross, though :), I am always talking about it. I never saw Bryan or Roxy on stage...simply because when they launched AVALON I was about two years old... I saw Mr. Ferry singing several times on spanish tv, and it was very funny and also I felt very moved. I hope Roxy will come to Spain. I mean, they would fill a theatre, there would be no problem; SLAVE TO LOVE-THE BEST OF THE BALLADS did very very well in unglamourous Spain. If they don't come (please do!), oh, I would have to spend so much money... I hope you realize what a luck it is for someone that never had the chance to see them performing that they have rejoined 18 years after. I do not have much more to say. I am triying to write a book about Roxy and Mr. Ferry, for I think I know a little bit of it :), but spanish editors seem to be shy. I hope you are doing fine. You know, it is great to have co-fans like you. Greetings from sunny Spain (Viva Espaqa! :) Yahoo! 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