From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #154 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, April 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Eno's rap! ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Eno's rap! [Jocelyn Fiske ] RE: [AVALON] "Ageing Rockers" in The Times (UK) today ["Andrew Shearer" <] Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Tour Guides [beauxb@cwctv.net] RE: [AVALON] "Ageing Rockers" in The Times (UK) today [Jocelyn Fiske ] RE:[AVALON] Opening Song [beauxb@cwctv.net] [AVALON] opening song... ["Gary Sanders" ] RE: [AVALON] Le Grand Rex DVD - is it OUT yet?? ["James James" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! [jas2347@speedsite.com] Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! ["Rod LeCloux" ] [AVALON] TESTER ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:04:33 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Eno's rap! >>> "Guy Lawley" 04/24 8:40 am >>> > The intro stressed Eno's role as innovator ("It's in your mind and blood/I > watch it simmer"!) and said he'd helped to invent rap by using samples. They > seemed to be putting up My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts as a precursor of rap. > This point they obviously did put to Eno, because he modestly said that he > couldn't really claim to have had anything to do with originating rap, but > he would like to be able to claim a bit of credit because it's one of the > really "living" areas of music, or somesuch. They probably meant hip-hop rather than rap, and the influence it had on sampling "culture" and as an "art form". But I doubt it had much impact on "the street" and on rap itself. The Sugarhill Gang, Afrika Bambaata and Grandmaster Flash probably had a more direct influence and were all doing their thing at around the same time Eno and Byrne were mucking about with "found sounds" on funk/world music backdrops. His new album is great though. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:08:25 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Eno's rap! > The Sugarhill Gang, Afrika Bambaata and Grandmaster Flash probably had a more direct influence and were all doing their thing at around the same time Eno and Byrne were mucking about with "found sounds" on funk/world music backdrops. And they always seem to drag up on those "history of" music programmes that Blondie invented rap when they released Rapture, which amuses the life out of Debbie and crew, bless 'em. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:33:26 -0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: RE: [AVALON] "Ageing Rockers" in The Times (UK) today Large picture from the press pack inside, small quote from BF about groupies etc. Andrew _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:03:07 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 4:33 AM Subject: [AVALON] Eno's rap! >>>> "Guy Lawley" 04/24 8:40 am >>> >> The intro stressed Eno's role as innovator ("It's in your mind and blood/I >> watch it simmer"!) and said he'd helped to invent rap by using samples. They >> seemed to be putting up My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts as a precursor of rap. >They probably meant hip-hop rather than rap, and the influence it had on sampling >"culture" and as an "art form". You can even find a touch of rap/hip-hop on Dead Finks Don`t Talk. This song is included on a compilation CD I made for work and many of the young rap/hip-hop fans I work with thought it was something recently released. Then I told them it was 28 years old and they freaked. Gene...Some of Us are Old! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:21:09 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! >>> "tmoq" 04/24 1:03 pm >>> > You can even find a touch of rap/hip-hop on Dead Finks Don`t Talk. This song > is included on a compilation CD I made for work and many of the young > rap/hip-hop fans I work with thought it was something recently released. > Then I told them it was 28 years old and they freaked. And that beat gave Paul Thompson his writing credit! So, that must mean TGPT invented hip-hop....! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:26:17 +0100 From: beauxb@cwctv.net Subject: RE: [AVALON] Tour Guides What's wrong with starting at the begining, and ending at the end? We'll provide the 'bar chat cressendo', Colin Good can provide the pounding piano, TGPT the machine gun drum, and we're away with "Re-Make, Re-Model"? Then, when the dreams have all been made crystal glitter real, they can make the cognesentti (I can't spell!!) think, with "Bitters End" IS there a better way? BEAUX. Or contact my Mobile E-Mail at ; beaux@orange.net On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:01:18 +0100 Jocelyn Fiske wrote: Received: from smoe.org ([209.58.179.86]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:57:32 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id HAA08374; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:02:40 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id HAA08353 for avalon-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nt-ncs-exch2.greyeu.com ([193.133.7.2]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id HAA08348 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NT-NCS-EXCH2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:01:54 +0100 Message-ID: <0455EEC1BF24D411B9430008C733BD8E497F35@NT-GPS-EXCH1> From: Jocelyn Fiske To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Tour Guides Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:01:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Return-Path: owner-avalon@smoe.org - -----Original Message----- From: o-keeffeo-k8s0 [mailto:o-keeffeo-k8s0@supanet.com] Sent: 23 April 2001 11:07 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour Guides >I am inclined to agree with Jocelyn on this. Way back in Feb she suggested 'The Main Thing'. Much as I'd love it to be The Main Thing I'm inclined now to think it's going to be Virginia Plain. Intro whirring out of the pitch blackness then blam! lights up and straight in. Only fair in the light of Roxy equality that no-one gets to slope on! >What do you get if you win? A bag of Fandangoes? I missed out on them last time. Believe me, you had a lucky escape. BTW Ms Wetters has also been seen backing those Sugarbabes on their newie. Busy lady. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:44:50 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] "Ageing Rockers" in The Times (UK) today - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer [mailto:shearerandrew@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 April 2001 10:33 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] "Ageing Rockers" in The Times (UK today >Large picture from the press pack inside, small quote from BF about groupies etc. Bryan also says he believes audiences are now too sensible to loiter for a post-show glimpse of a star "I guess as they got older they have better things to do than stand around waiting to see someone. They prefer to go for a drink". Who says he's out of touch with his public?! Jocelyn _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:56:52 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Opening Song I've been reading the suggestions on this list and let's face it-there's really no song they would use that anyone would have a problem with. But..that said.. we all have our favorites. I think of all the times I saw Roxy throughout the years and their opener was always used as a long band intro building up to ferry slinking out-doing his lounge lizard-coolest guy on the planet-swaywalk-droopy eyelids-turning into croon-act. For me one of the best ones was Sentimental Fool. The synthesizer-heavy bass lines-tinkling piano-and ferry breaking into the lyrics. It always gave me chills. There's something to be said for ReMake/ReModel-if only because it is starting at the Beginning-and it gives each of the instrumentals a little solo as intro. I think However that I will just be in such shock, that so many memories will just be flooding into me at that point, that the first song won't matter. I'll just have a BIG smile on my face (and I'm man enough to admit-maybe a tear in my eye) (Am I being too dramatic??) Jads ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:18:49 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Opening Song >>> 04/24 3:56 pm >>> > I think However that I will just be in such shock, that so many memories will > just be flooding into me at that point, that the first song won't matter. > I'll just have a BIG smile on my face (and I'm man enough to admit-maybe a > tear in my eye) (Am I being too dramatic??) MAYBE just ONE TEAR in yuor eye? You're not being dramatic enough! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:24:17 +0100 From: beauxb@cwctv.net Subject: RE:[AVALON] Opening Song No man, you're NOT being over dramatic! I'll be tearfull in m'cocktail too! They could start with "Ba Ba Foot'n Mouth Sheep" for all the dissapointment it would cause me! TONIGHT, LIVE ON STAGE, ROXY MUSIC! Can't ya just shiver it? BEAUX. Or contact my Mobile E-Mail at ; beaux@orange.net On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:56:52 EDT Jads2@aol.com wrote: Received: from smoe.org ([209.58.179.86]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:58:22 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id KAA19059; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:57:55 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id KAA19028 for avalon-outgoing; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id KAA19022 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jads2@aol.com Received: from Jads2@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.9.) id p.b0.13b30f23 (17381) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:56:52 EDT Subject: [AVALON] Opening Song To: avalon@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Return-Path: owner-avalon@smoe.org I've been reading the suggestions on this list and let's face it-there's really no song they would use that anyone would have a problem with. But..that said.. we all have our favorites. I think of all the times I saw Roxy throughout the years and their opener was always used as a long band intro building up to ferry slinking out-doing his lounge lizard-coolest guy on the planet-swaywalk-droopy eyelids-turning into croon-act. For me one of the best ones was Sentimental Fool. The synthesizer-heavy bass lines-tinkling piano-and ferry breaking into the lyrics. It always gave me chills. There's something to be said for ReMake/ReModel-if only because it is starting at the Beginning-and it gives each of the instrumentals a little solo as intro. I think However that I will just be in such shock, that so many memories will just be flooding into me at that point, that the first song won't matter. I'll just have a BIG smile on my face (and I'm man enough to admit-maybe a tear in my eye) (Am I being too dramatic??) Jads ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:41:18 +0100 From: "Gary Sanders" Subject: [AVALON] opening song... I recall the rescheduled gig at Leicester (early '81??), the stage was fronted with a huge closed venitian blind, the drums and extended atmospheric build up of 'The Bogus Man' with the blinds slowly opening. Magnificent!! Gary Sanders gary@procare.uk.net ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:05:28 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] re; Tour Guides Out of The Blue for me as well Cheers Richard Philip Adams wrote: > Why did I call that post tour guides? We'll never know. > > Philip > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:12:17 From: "James James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Le Grand Rex DVD - is it OUT yet?? Heather, it's on the shelves here in Toronto, Canada and online at www.hmv.ca , with favorable U.S. exchange. James >From: "Heather James" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: RE: [AVALON] Le Grand Rex DVD - is it OUT yet?? >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:41:26 -0400 > > I just got some Marketing SPAM from CD-NOW and I looked up my pending order >on >Bryan's Paris DVD - which was due to ship mid-April ... but look what they >say: > >Bryan Ferry - Live In Paris At Le Grand Rex - 1 DVD 13.99 B Coming Soon >06/19/01 > > JUNE 19th ??????????? What happened to the April release date ...? > > > > > -= )-(eather =- > >--------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > > TheWebGal Domain: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ > My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ > >-------------------------------------------------------< > > > - -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > Ida M Miller > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:43 PM > > To: AVALON mailing list > > Subject: [AVALON] Camden & Concord > > > > > > Profuse thanks to whoever posted the news about the KFOG pre-sale for > > Concord. I hopped right on it, and have Section 101, Row B, Seat 8. > > > > And then, egged on by several Brits who are making the trek over to > > catch some east coast shows, I went for it and bought a ticket for > > Camden on July 26th: I'll be sitting in Section 104, Row C, Seat > > 17. (Now I need to start planning the biz trip to New Jersey for that > > week!) > > > > > > Ida > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > _________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:21:33 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! Jocelyn Fiske wrote: And they always seem to drag up on those "history of" music programmes that Blondie invented rap when they released Rapture. . . Hmmmmm. . . I thought John Lennon invented rap with "Give Peace A Chance". Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:16:34 -0500 From: jas2347@speedsite.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! Simon Galloway wrote: > > >>> "tmoq" 04/24 1:03 pm >>> > > You can even find a touch of rap/hip-hop on Dead Finks Don`t Talk. This song > > is included on a compilation CD I made for work and many of the young > > rap/hip-hop fans I work with thought it was something recently released. > > Then I told them it was 28 years old and they freaked. > > And that beat gave Paul Thompson his writing credit! So, that must mean TGPT invented hip-hop....! > > SimonG > > Oh PLEASE. Let's get a little historical here. You want some of the REAL origins of rap? Listen to James Brown. He was rap even before it had a name. How about the Last Poets,Gill Scott Heron,Nicki Giovanni??? Rap Hip/Hop on Dead Finks Don't Dance? Whaaa??? That's stretching it a bit. Jas I'M BACK!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:50:31 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno's rap! > Oh PLEASE. Let's get a little historical here. You want some of the > REAL origins of rap? Listen to James Brown. He was rap even before it > had a name. How about the Last Poets,Gill Scott Heron,Nicki Giovanni??? > Rap Hip/Hop on Dead Finks Don't Dance? Whaaa??? That's stretching it a > bit. > > Jas If you are going to consider jazz percussive music from Gill Scott Heron and The Last Poets you may also want to include Jayne Cortez! Ro-Ro-Ro, Ro-Ro, Ro-Ro-Ro, Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:36:46 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] TESTER This is not a message, this is a tester! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #154 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest