From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #126 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, March 30 2001 Volume 06 : Number 126 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Mick Ronson ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] test ["Donna Caskey" ] [AVALON] the right stuff ["Niki H" ] Re: [AVALON] Mick Ronson [Popsmvp@aol.com] R: [AVALON] Baddy Ferry Pics ["danilo" ] Re: [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Interesting tid bit [Bill Gillam ] Re: [AVALON] Delbert McClinton [Avalon887@aol.com] [AVALON] MUSIC [Bill Gillam ] Re: [AVALON] Delbert McClinton [Avalon887@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] MUSIC [Maggie Curran ] Re: [AVALON] ASFE, the end? [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic (various) ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] ASFE, the end? [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic (various) [William Sommers ] [AVALON] Paul Thompson ! [jmdillon@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson ! ["Peter Seely" ] [AVALON] O.T. Ollie Halsall / Rutles ["Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mick Ronson Indeed! The Ziggy Stardust video is a must have and I wish there was a video of Ian Hunter`s Welcome To The Club performance. Ronson is simply outstanding! I believe his last appearance was at the Freddy Mercury tribute where he joined Bowie and Ian Hunter for a few numbers. I have a cd of this performance somewhere but I find it too depressing to listen to. He passed away not long after with little mention....a great injustice, IMO. Bowie`s release of the '72 Santa Monica show was dedicated to Ronson. Gene - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Shockley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:41 PM Subject: [AVALON] Mick Ronson >Mick has always been one of my favorite guitarists. His work on Ziggy >Stardust's Moonage Daydream is unlike anything else I have ever heard. Ronson >appears briefly in Bowie's making of Black Tie, White Noise video. I was very >saddened by his passing. > >Keith > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:05:31 -0500 From: "Donna Caskey" Subject: [AVALON] test This is just a test. Thanks for your patience and understanding, everyone! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:23:03 +0100 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] the right stuff the right stuff video is so wonderful,with bryan and johnny marr and the girls laughing and dancing ,having such fun.it,s good to see bryan so happy. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:34:55 EST From: Popsmvp@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mick Ronson Now that we are on the subject of fabulously underrated guitarists, a la Ronson, I will throw out a name and hope for some feedback>>>>>> OLLIE HALSALL! I know that I am as you say "off subject", but it's so unusual to find a group of intellignent, knowledgeable music freaks such as all of you are. Besides, I don't think Bryan will mind.......he's already getting enough attention elsewhere. Also "off subject", I spent an afternoon talking to Andy Partridge in 1980. Aside from some really brilliant observations and comments, he more than once brought up the subject of Sting and how good-looking he is and how talented he is and how perfect he is. I had to laugh. Why is it that every man I know thinks Sting is good-looking, yet most women think he is geeky? I think Sting looks like an artichoke and sings like Alfalfa from Our Gang. Oh well. And speaking of Oh Well, what about Peter Green, another forgotten guitarist? And weren't Magazine incredible? Since Roxy is apparently not going to stop in Denver, where they have a HUGE alliance of fans, I'm not going to talk about them anyway................. PattyO ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:55:22 +0200 From: "danilo" Subject: R: [AVALON] Baddy Ferry Pics Good morning U can feel the Thrill of it FOLKS! .-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))9 sdan > Da: David Firmin > A: avalon@smoe.org > Data: mercoledl 28 marzo 2001 21.31 > Oggetto: [AVALON] Bad Ferry Pics ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:55:52 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame Cleveland rocks - OHIO! Drew's into it - he should know. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:13:52 +0200 From: "Ton Darly" Subject: [AVALON] ASFE, the end? Now the discussion on A Song For Europe seems to have come to an end - no more contributions since three weeks - I'd like to say thanks to all who contributed. This discussion showed how a community of 'cognoscenti' may share their ideas and produce more visions on the song than one alone ever could imagine. The interpretations were sometimes very different, but everyone contributed in a most sincere way, with full respect for other opinions. This is Avalon at its best! I think that the variety of interpretations demonstrates the multi-lateral nature of BF's works (at least of this song) and the literary depth of the lyrics. For me, the discussion has revealed several unexpected ideas in this song and now I appreciate it even more than before. So, I'd like to say Thank You! to: - --- KBP, for starting the discussion by mentioning the multi-lateral aspect of the lyrics, and for giving several to-the-point analyses about the themes in BF's works, about possible interpretations - "a hyperbole" - and about BF's view on the world, especially in the extensive posts of February 14th and March 7th; - --- Christian, for signalling BF's world-weariness, melancholy and loneliness: "a lonely alienated individual drifting restlessly through a world of luxury he could never really make his own...", and of course for providing us with the badly needed psychotherapeutic help!; - --- Colleen, for defending this sort of conversations, for signalling the dangerous element of decadence and the threatening force in BF's works (maybe we can get back to it some day?), and for her interpretation: "unbearably cheesy"; - --- Danny "dpg1313", for drawing our attention to the Bridge of Sighs; - --- Andrew "ganymede.zeus", for providing us with a link to the explanation of the Bridge of Sighs; - --- Cecilia, for making us aware of the change in scenery: from Paris to Venice; - --- Paul Bodine, for a surprising new interpretation: it's a song sung to Europe, a nostalgic farewell to a Romantic Europe that has vanished; - --- John Dillon, for the hilarious report on the movie A Little Romance; - --- Mark Shanahan, for quoting the box set: "it's a pun"; - --- and several others (Michael Hill, Victor Hastings, Pauline "o-keeffeo-k8s0", Kari Solberg, Tim Kendrick, and all who I may have forgotten), for their reactions. I really enjoyed your posts. Many thanks to you all! Ton PS. My previous post was 3 or 4 weeks ago, I guess. If I had more time, I would post more often to Avalon - I feel such a need for discussing all kinds of interesting subjects. But, nevertheless, my production rate is still higher than BF's! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:51:06 -0600 From: Bill Gillam Subject: [AVALON] Interesting tid bit "Corgan played covers by Bob Dylan, Roxy Music......" Former Smashing Pumpkins leader Billy Corgan performed onstage Thursday for the first time since the December break up his band. The gig was at the Metro in Chicago and for the Third Waltz, a benefit concert featuring Marianne Faithfull, Wilco's Jeff Tweedy, the Jayhawks' Gary Louris and others jamming with the Nicholas Tremulis Band, which has organized the annual event to raise money for homeless children. The Metro is also the club where the Pumpkins got their starts and played their final concert together. Corgan played covers by Bob Dylan, Roxy Music and Beatles alongside Faithfull and was joined by Cheap Trick drummer Bun E. Carlos. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:48:28 EST From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Delbert McClinton DELBERT was in rare form last night! It was a treat to see him and his band. One of the disadvantages of BB King's Blues Club is it's all tables and chairs. No dance floor and it's hard to stay down while listening to Delbert. He put on a great show! I'm hoping to see John Mayall in a few weeks. Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:52:55 -0600 From: Bill Gillam Subject: [AVALON] MUSIC "Music is the vernacular of the human soul." - --Geoffrey Latham "The pleasure we obtain from music comes from counting, but counting unconsciously. Music is nothing but unconscious arithmetic." - --Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:03:18 EST From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Delbert McClinton sorry for the diversion - just wanted to share with some folks who know who he is! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: Maggie Curran Subject: Re: [AVALON] MUSIC From Sweet Nothings: An Anthology of Rock & Roll in American Poetry-- Plato says: "The introduction of novel fashions in music is a thing to beware of as endangering the whole fabric of society whose most important conventions are unsettled by any revolution in that quarter." Little Richard says: "A wop bop a loo mop a lop bam boom!" Rock On! Maggie On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:52:55 -0600, avalon@smoe.org wrote: > "Music is the vernacular of the human soul." > --Geoffrey Latham > > "The pleasure we obtain from music comes from counting, but counting > unconsciously. Music is nothing but unconscious arithmetic." > --Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:34:55 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] ASFE, the end? On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Ton Darly wrote: > --- Colleen, for defending this sort of conversations, for signalling > the dangerous element of decadence and the threatening force in BF's > works (maybe we can get back to it some day?), and for her I'd love to discuss these issues with folks here (and it'd shed light on why it was Eno and not Ferry that all the girls were after). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:14:02 -0800 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic (various) 1) David warns of the dangers of slothfulness: > I'd be careful! I once got involved in this crazy get-rich-quick scheme > involving a sloth and some other odd-toed ungulate like a tapir. Ah, well, there was your first mistake - sloths are actually of the order Edentata, not Perissodactyla (the giveaway is that there is in fact a two-toed species of sloth). Spot on about the tapirs though... 2) Someone (Jeff ?) appears to be a priest of the Temple of Syrinx, probably at twelve minutes past nine: > n.p. Rush -Chronicles ( flame away) Not from me - unless you count the fact that it's *only* a compilation S;^) How can anyone criticise a band smart enough to employ Aimee Mann as backing vocalist on one of their albums ? (Note to Andrew 'Shades' Shearer - listen to 'Time Stand Still' off 'Hold Your Fire'...) 3) Fittingly, PattyO must be a Patto fan: > OLLIE HALSALL! Yes, indeedy ! His work with Patto is extraordinarily fluid and (oddly enough, for an Allan Holdsworth fan like me) I preferred the version of Tempest with him in it - possibly because I disliked Paul Williams' vocals. It's testament to Halsall that he managed to replace *both* Holdsworth and Williams - a shame he'll always be better remembered as a Rutle... > Andy Partridge I enjoyed 'Through The Hill' (with Harold Budd) and weren't the BBC XTC albums superb ? > I think Sting looks like an artichoke and sings like Alfalfa from Our Gang. Oh well. LOL ! I think Sting is a great (but limited) talent. IMO he's no jazzer, despite his apparent love for the form. Who are 'Our Gang' BTW ?? > And weren't Magazine incredible? I got the 3 CD box recently and thought the first disc was pretty average but the second and third (BBC sessions) were superb. Regards, Ivor. n.p. Snug ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:18:52 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] ASFE, the end? At 09:34 PM 3/29/01 -0500, Colleen Matan wrote: > I'd love to discuss these issues with folks here (and it'd shed light > on why it was Eno and not Ferry that all the girls were after). Not to oversimplify or distract from what would surely be a more interesting approach, but (having had the opportunity to observe the Domed One in social context) Eno is a heck of a lot more aggressive in that regard. Physical flirtatiousness, that is. I'm having a hard time imagining Bryan as the overt chaser type. So, which celebrity "gets more" -- the one constantly playing the game, or the one who waits for the game to come to him? -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:48:53 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic (various) At 04:14 AM 3/30/01 -0800, Ivor Canning wrote: >> OLLIE HALSALL! > > Yes, indeedy ! His work with Patto is extraordinarily fluid and (oddly > enough, for an Allan Holdsworth fan like me) I preferred the version of > Tempest with him in it - possibly because I disliked Paul Williams' vocals. > It's testament to Halsall that he managed to replace *both* Holdsworth and > Williams - a shame he'll always be better remembered as a Rutle... Uh, actually the first two associations that come to mind here are Kevin Ayers and Mike Oldfield. I'm not sure I've ever even heard The Rutles. -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:12:00 -0500 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] Paul Thompson ! Good evening. I sincerely hope all is well. OK. Well with the actuality looming of nothing solid or new to report I will pull something "out of the way", out of the corner. Paul Thompson. Whispers are continuing to bang about in regards to Paul Thompson and they do not seem to be going away. I guess it all started when the question of a possible "Paul Thompson" on drums was popped to seemingly surprised Bryan back at the official "Roxy Music World Tour 2001* Press Conference" kick off back in Feb. Now I am not rallying to Bryan's defense here but I think he was actually "taken aback" more by the deliberate strength of the question than the question itself. His then fringing humorous retort was taken out of turn and possibly out of context. I think it can now be easily said: Not courting the true possibility of "PT as band member" was an early promotional miscalculation. So what has happen since? There have been reported confirmations regarding our (T)GPT and actual tour auditions. Did you hear that? Now this might have been the plan all along .but.did you hear what I just typed? TGPT / an audition. Additional credence can be added to this scuttlebutt** if you have been following what Paul himself has been saying in the last few weeks. Much to his gentlemanly credit Paul himself has maintained more than a mannered station on this topic. All the same, the word "coy" is not lost here. It's as my grandfather would say, "..its like the cat that ate the canary." Quit personally I for one would love to see Paul as part of this band. But I also will not distract anything away from Mr. Newmark. As far as I am concerned he was "called in" and did what he was told to do. He also did so quite well. But back to Paul. The though of our "Roxy Boys" turning to the drum kit and giving Mr. PT that well deserved bow at the end of "Out of the Blue" is quite simply: "overwhelming". It "will" bring the house down. Attention: People who disagree with this premise should have their pulse checked before operating any type of machinery or auto motive vehicle. Regards John Dillon *A.P.T. ** Usage being as "gossip" and not "BS" slang. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:49:29 -0500 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson ! John, A very well written and thoughtful analysis of the drum situation1 Indicators are good that Mr. TGPT will indeed be manning the skins. Let's keep our fingers crossed! Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:12 AM Subject: [AVALON] Paul Thompson ! > Good evening. I sincerely hope all is well. > > OK. > Well with the actuality looming of nothing solid or new to report I will > pull something > "out of the way", out of the corner. > > Paul Thompson. > > Whispers are continuing to bang about in regards to Paul Thompson and they > do not seem to be going away. > > I guess it all started when the question of a possible "Paul Thompson" on > drums was popped to seemingly surprised Bryan back at the official "Roxy > Music World Tour 2001* Press Conference" kick off back in Feb. > > Now I am not rallying to Bryan's defense here but I think he was actually > "taken aback" more by the deliberate strength of the question than the > question itself. > His then fringing humorous retort was taken out of turn and possibly out of > context. > > I think it can now be easily said: > Not courting the true possibility of "PT as band member" was an early > promotional miscalculation. > > So what has happen since? > There have been reported confirmations regarding our (T)GPT and actual tour > auditions. > Did you hear that? > Now this might have been the plan all along .but.did you hear what I just > typed? > > TGPT / an audition. > > Additional credence can be added to this scuttlebutt** if you have been > following what Paul himself has been saying in the last few weeks. > > Much to his gentlemanly credit Paul himself has maintained more than a > mannered station on this topic. All the same, the word "coy" is not lost > here. > It's as my grandfather would say, "..its like the cat that ate the canary." > > Quit personally I for one would love to see Paul as part of this band. > But I also will not distract anything away from Mr. Newmark. > As far as I am concerned he was "called in" and did what he was told to do. > He also did so quite well. > > But back to Paul. The though of our "Roxy Boys" turning to the drum kit and > giving Mr. PT that well deserved bow at the end of "Out of the Blue" is > quite simply: "overwhelming". > It "will" bring the house down. > > Attention: > People who disagree with this premise should have their pulse checked before > operating any type of machinery or auto motive vehicle. > > Regards > John Dillon > *A.P.T. > ** Usage being as "gossip" and not "BS" slang. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:05:28 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] O.T. Ollie Halsall / Rutles >>> "Ivor Canning" 03/30 1:14 pm >>> > OLLIE HALSALL! > a shame he'll always be better remembered as a Rutle... Yes, but then again if you're only going to be remembered for one thing you can't really go far wrong with the Rutles. It'd suit me! Apparantly there's a new Rutles documentary being made about the lasting legacy of the prefab four. I've seen a shot of David Bowie holding up the album cover to The Rutles 1's. He was interviewed by Eric Idle, here's what Dame Dave wrote: > Eric Idle strides in next and the place falls apart with mirth, The > questions about the breakup of the Ruttles, what impact did > guru Arthur Sulton have on me, were the Ruttles responsible > for the fall of communism etc. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #126 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest