From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #113 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 22 2001 Volume 06 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] rara avis ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Clone ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Re: The Clear Channel Menace & Cleveland ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Explanations? [Bill Gillam ] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #112 ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] rara avis [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Explanations? [Avalon887@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Explanations? [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Explanations? [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date [Helchat@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Clone [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Live Wetton ["David Squires " ] [AVALON] Re: Ticket Pricing opinion [sueray@davidbowie.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: Ticket Pricing opinion ["Tim Kendrick" ] RE: [AVALON] rara avis [Marcia Sexton ] Re: [AVALON] Live Wetton ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date [Helchat@aol.com] [AVALON] Veg clone ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] laissez-faire capitalist venue names ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Live Wetton ["David Squires " ] RE: [AVALON] Veg clone [Marcia Sexton ] [AVALON] [Avalon] Minneapolis Internet On-Sale [ByrneHead1@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] laissez-faire capitalist venue names ["David Squires " ] [AVALON] Minneapolis update [ByrneHead1@aol.com] [AVALON] The Blue Nile [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] The Blue Nile [Bill Gillam ] Re: [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame ["tmoq" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:19:03 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rara avis I downloaded that from Napster. Coool! ;-) SimonG >>> Colleen Matan 03/21 6:23 pm >>> I have the telephonic recording of an obscene phone call Ferry mistakenly left on my answering machine the last time he was in DC. What do *you* have? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:32:37 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Clone That experiment was actually a cross DNA trial. Martyn Fry had elements of a sample from Dave Bowie, and Dr. Robert was concocted using a very rare sample of Marc Bolan, but due to bad hygeine practice in the lab it was discovered (at the final stages) that some Bowie had got mixed up in there too. The problem with these clones is that they're only capable of producing one good album, from then on in, it is found that the gene for creativity is seriously impaired. So far no treatment has been found for this disorder, so they are being kept on small record labels and performing their hits in shabby local clubs. Such a shame. SimonG >>> "ncjones.lewis2" 03/22 1:26 am >>> You are all sick, SICK! However, the DNA thread is a good one. Previous attempts to clone Bryan in the 80's resulted in abomination, these unfortunate creatures were allowed to live free lives, and both resorted to mimicking their generic donors life under the guises of Dr. Robert of the Blow Monkeys, and Martyn Fry of ABC fame (notice how Martyn even spelled his name with a "y," sad...sad.) Cheers Neil. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:46:02 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Re: The Clear Channel Menace & Cleveland Well, that was nice to find out about the company who also own 31% of Jazz FM... SimonG >>> 03/21 4:35 pm >>> I was dismayed to see that this tour is being run by SFX, another octopoidal arm of the Clear Channel/Cox right wing mega-glomerate. This corporate entity has consolidated its hold on a truly mind-boggling array of media outlets. They own a HUGE chunk of radio and television bandwidth in Orlando, where I live. They have a "Pro-Family" stance for what that's worth. They can gobble up bandwidth thanks to Ronald Reagan's gutting of the FCC back in the 80s. They are in fact, the Microsoft of entertainment. And you thought Ticketmaster was a problem! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:46:54 +0100 From: "Annalisa Bellodi" Subject: R: [AVALON] rara avis I'd like to book a clone for a month ............who is the person I can ask for? Lisa - -----Messaggio originale----- Da: KB Porter A: avalon@smoe.org Data: giovedl 22 marzo 2001 0.33 Oggetto: Re: [AVALON] rara avis >Gees, Neil. What, you didn't get a used tube of DentaGrip? No Brill >Cream? > >OK. I guess since you have a used tissue, thus maybe his DNA, it might >be possible to clone BF. Imagine, each Avalonian could own an exact >copy of Ferry, then - hum, yes, I can see it now - who was it on the >list wanting a >private bedroom performance or something like that? To each his own! > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 06:16:03 -0600 From: Bill Gillam Subject: Re: [AVALON] Explanations? Chris gives it a PERFECT analysis!!!! Chris Turner wrote: > The US ticket prices are high because none of the things that usually > subsidise tours, e.g. a coincident release, such as when The Eagles released > Hell Freezes Over to support their reformation. There has been no > sponsorship announced, such as when Harp supported Ferry's Tour in 1989. It > is unclear whether there will be a support act, who normally pay for their > place on the tour. Finally the venues are not particularly large, less that > half the size of the UK venues for example. > > There is some suggestion that it will be an expensive show to produce, with > some mention of a special lighting design and set. I've no doubt that the > artists, particularly Ferry, had to be made specific financial guarantees, > and that the tour simply wouldn't take place without that. It's economics. > If you want to go, you've got to pay, it's a once-in-20-years opportunity > after all. > > I don't pretend to like it either, but lets face it, if Roxy were playing > only one gig, at the North Pole, many of us would be getting measured for > snow shoes right now. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Le Bonster > Sent: 22 March 2001 02:02 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Explanations? > > >$ 128.00 Reserved : $ 78.00 Reserved : $ 53.00 > > Highway robbery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Instead of continuing to complain, how's this: > > (a) How are these prices in relation to other reunion tours? > > (b) I've never seen RM or BF live before so I don't know if there's an > elaborate production. Is there? Could there be? Sure it has to be > profitable for them but $128 is insane. I'm just trying to see if there are > additional reasons for the high prices. > > (c) Are the prices sensitive to the geographic area? Broadway shows here > cost a small fortune as well so maybe $128 won't seem so bad?!? > > (d) Who sets tickets prices anyway or how are they set? > > Anyway...... > M > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:41:50 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #112 >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:38:22 -0500 >From: "ppavlock" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Wetton > >John Wetton has many very good cd's available. A lot of live ones show up. >Chasing the Dragon and Live in Tokyo are outstanding to say nothing of his >work with Steve Hackett on Tokyo Taoes and Genesis Revisited...absolutely >fantastic.....jeff >n.p. King Crimson Absent Lovers I got a weird King Crimson pirate called "The Best of the John Wetton Years" from a friend for my birthday. Another friend, who didn't know Wetton was ever in Crimson, but who did go through a lengthy and unfortunate Yes/Asia/ELP phase when he was a young lad before he discovered punk, confessed later that the title frightened him. ObRoxy: Any live tapes/discs from the Roxy tour with Wetton making the rounds? Grant http://go.to/popocalypse -- my new comic's available! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:44:41 -0000 From: "Le Bonster" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Explanations? >Chris gives it a PERFECT analysis!!!! > >Chris Turner wrote: Thanks Chris! Helps me to deal with the high ticket prices better. =) M _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:48:56 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:48:26 -0800 (PST) >From: Louis Simone >Subject: Re: [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame >Before ripping Cleveland for anything the Rock Hall does, you should know >that Cleveland has absolutely NOTHING to do with the selection >committee!...if you want to blame someone blame Jann Wenner, Ahmet Ertegun, >and the rest of the 1000 committe members who vote for Mamas and Papas, and >Young Rascals, but leave out Black Sabbath, Grand Funk, The New York Dolls, >etc, etc.... True, but on the other hand, Clevelanders are in the best position to storm the building in protest for the committee's oversights. Demand Roxy be given a place in the hall, or else you detonate a series of carefully planned explosions, creating a very long, deep trench and diverting the Cuyohoga through the building. - --Grant http://go.to/popocalypse -- my new comic's available! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:20:20 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Live Wetton >>> "Grant Goggans" 03/22 12:41 pm >>> > ObRoxy: Any live tapes/discs from the Roxy tour with Wetton making the > rounds? When did he tour with them? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:37:13 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] rara avis < Previous attempts to clone Bryan in the 80's resulted in abomination, these unfortunate creatures were allowed to live free lives, > Yes, some of us were not so easily corralled. ;o} ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:38:40 EST From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Explanations? it's all about priorities in life... I used to go to a lot of concerts in the summer time, especially out at Jones Beach. Since prices have increased, I have to be much more selective. I have certain faves I try not to pass up, like Dylan, who I see almost every time he comes around. And Ringo Starr's All Star Band which is always a delight because of the musicians he gathers for each tour (especially Jack Bruce- now that shows my age!) and Ringo just being Ringo!!! Now Roxy Music reforms after 20 years!!! I've been following Bryan and RM since summer of 73 when some wonderful British guys (if any of you are out there reading this would love to hear from you!) turned me on to them while hanging out on a barge in Amsterdam! So unless I was desolate and couldn't find money to pay my next month's rent or car payment, I will be paying $128 + for tix to see Roxy Music - 2001. Hope I get to meet some other Avalonians this time around! Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:07:06 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Explanations? [ >Chris gives it a PERFECT analysis!!!! > >Chris Turner wrote: Thanks Chris! Helps me to deal with the high ticket prices better. =) M ] Not obvious in Chris's post is the fact that while ticket prices are high in the US because of the reasons he stated, of great importance is the expense factor. SFX owns the venues, they are the in-house promoters, they have an exclusive contract with Ticket Master for the distribution of tickets. They own the media outlets that will be advertising the tour. They have in house media creation facilities. And they do this for thousands of events annually. In short, SFX is comprehensively running the show from start to finish in North America. The economy of scale means overall lower costs. Therefore, this tour will be profitable because higher ticket prices coupled with lower (than what used to be conventional) costs translates into higher profit margins. Period. That is why Roxy can play in some smaller venues. But don't forget, many of the venues where they are to play actually have larger capacity than indicated by seating diagrams - lawns and floors hold much capacity. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:30:39 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Explanations? Ah! But the question remains: Will you be able to purchase the $128 ticket for 128 dollars? Eileen, you are correct in stating that it is a matter of priorities. My upset is with the gray resale market which seems to be accepted as a permanent fixture within the chain of distribution of concert tickets. It's sad when tickets for good seats (or any seat at all) appear to be unavailable or limited for purchase at advertised box office prices. Maybe this is sacrilege, I will not pay scalpers/ticket resellers more than ticket price plus nominal postage and handling. Obviously there is a thriving market for overly inflated prices but I refuse to support it. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:20:57 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date Hi, I called and spoke with a gal at the Chronicle Pavilion last week, and she said just keep checking their website for information. How long before a show do tickets normally go on sale, anyone? Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:22:53 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Clone In a message dated 3/22/01 4:02:19 AM, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: << The problem with these clones is that they're only capable of producing one good album, from then on in, it is found that the gene for creativity is seriously impaired. >> I think this has something to do with 'telomeers". I hope I've spelled it right. Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:37:30 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live Wetton On 22 Mar 2001, at 13:20, Simon Galloway wrote: > When did he (JW) tour with them? Country Life tour, 1974/75. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:45:43 -0500 (EST) From: sueray@davidbowie.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Ticket Pricing opinion It's been interesting to see all the hoopla about the stratospheric ticket pricing. When I was attacking the SFX promotion of this tour, price really didn't enter into it for me. Pound for pound, I think the ticket prices are in line with what I see listed in the papers for other, lesser shows. The audience for these wheezing rockers [Roxy excepted, of course!] are extracting what their middle-aged, financially-secure fans are willing to pay. Traditionally, bands that play to "the kids" commensurately charge less for their shows - though this is changing! A year or so ago, Ricky [one-hit at the time] Martin was charging $75.00 for top seats in my city's arena. 10 years earlier he would have been lucky to get a 30 minute opening set to a Expose show or some such. This is probably related to the deep changes the music industry has undergone in the 90s where artists are not viewed with any sort of longevity to their careers and are milked for all they're worth before they're quickly discarded. This is a symptom of the ever increasing focus of short-sighted business on the immediate bottom line. I, me, mine, RIGHT NOW! Alternatively, Kiss can charge $35.00 for decent arena tickets [I think their top price here was $50 or so] and get away with it because they have a TON of fans. How do they do it...VOLUME! Roxy have a much smaller audience so I can't find much fault with the pricing. We all know Ferry's bitter they never sold respectably over here. Heck, Paul Thompson only got his first Gold Record with Concrete Blonde! Even this tour, a shadow of the scope of their arena-filling UK dates, must be annoying to him, even as he's taking his best shot at the Big Brass Ring, dollar-wise. Fortunately all of the angst this generates within him will no doubt be great grist for his creative mill! Maybe we'll get a follow- up to Mamouna [hey, I loved it!] in less than a decade. Of course, the consolidation of the promotions industry by a just a few power players has a lot to add to the high ticket price mix. Lassiez-faire capitalism is perfectly sound in theory, but you need to keep your eye on the house and see which dealers are dealing from the bottom of the deck. Those who play fair don't last very long in the game. The high cost of tickets is a symptom that's painful to many but there are many causes at the root of it that are very hard to address. If Roxy were demanding less money, it is not out of the question that SFX wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole - why bother with small change? That might see them schlepping across North America playing more, even smaller dates at lower prices. Fine for fans but these guys are in their 50s with family. It's hardly the time or place for that sort of activity in their lives. It's not an easy ball of string to unknot once you start looking at it. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:22:12 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ticket Pricing opinion >. Lassiez-faire capitalism is >perfectly sound in theory, No it isn't! Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:36:05 -0800 From: Marcia Sexton Subject: RE: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date I called the toll-free phone number listed on the Chronicle Pavilion website (800-XXX-BASS), and was told that they do not handle Pavilion tickets. They gave me this phone number for information: 925.67music. I have not had a chance to call it yet, but on the pavilion website, the events don't go much more than a month out, so I wonder If tickets will be available closer to show time. This being an SFX facility, I wonder if season holders get first whack. I have a brother in-law in the San Jose area, maybe I'll check with them. My husband may still go with me, but we could meet up anyway. We could even get tickets together. Marcia Sexton - -----Original Message----- From: Helchat@aol.com [SMTP:Helchat@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 7:21 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date Hi, I called and spoke with a gal at the Chronicle Pavilion last week, and she said just keep checking their website for information. How long before a show do tickets normally go on sale, anyone? Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:53:45 -0800 From: Marcia Sexton Subject: RE: [AVALON] rara avis I cloned carrots in high school, anyone with experience out there in the mammalian arena? Yes, I know I'm sick. I was a biology major in college. I'm usually OK as long as I continue to take my medication, though. One can't help wondering, though, if with more Bryans, we would get more new material and fewer anthology releases. Marcia Sexton - -----Original Message----- From: ncjones.lewis2 [SMTP:ncjones.lewis2@ntlworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] rara avis You are all sick, SICK! However, the DNA thread is a good one. Previous attempts to clone Bryan in the 80's resulted in abomination, these unfortunate creatures were allowed to live free lives, and both resorted to mimicking their generic donors life under the guises of Dr. Robert of the Blow Monkeys, and Martyn Fry of ABC fame (notice how Martyn even spelled his name with a "y," sad...sad.) Cheers Neil. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Sexton To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:45 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] rara avis > OOOOOOOH! Where do I sign up, and do I need a special US format? > > Marcia Sexton > > -----Original Message----- > From: KB Porter [SMTP:kbporte@attglobal.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:31 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] rara avis > > Gees, Neil. What, you didn't get a used tube of DentaGrip? No Brill > Cream? > > OK. I guess since you have a used tissue, thus maybe his DNA, it might > be possible to clone BF. Imagine, each Avalonian could own an exact > copy of Ferry, then - hum, yes, I can see it now - who was it on the > list wanting a > private bedroom performance or something like that? To each his own! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:56:16 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live Wetton Did he do the whole Country Life tour? And when did Johnny Gustafson play live with them? Looking at the back of Viva it only lists three shows - Glasgow, Newcastle and Wembley, but there are 4 bass players named... Mmmm.... SimonG >>> "David Squires " 03/22 3:37 pm >>> On 22 Mar 2001, at 13:20, Simon Galloway wrote: > When did he (JW) tour with them? Country Life tour, 1974/75. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:22:21 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date Marcia, sounds great! I have a friend that was able to get us 4th row on ATGB at the Paramount in Oakland, so hopefully he can do the same again. Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:28:40 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Veg clone How did you get on with brocolli? SimonG >>> Marcia Sexton 03/22 4:53 pm >>> I cloned carrots in high school, anyone with experience out there in the mammalian arena? Yes, I know I'm sick. I was a biology major in college. I'm usually OK as long as I continue to take my medication, though. One can't help wondering, though, if with more Bryans, we would get more new material and fewer anthology releases. Marcia Sexton ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:50:21 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] laissez-faire capitalist venue names just a bit of trivia that's somewhat sickening (to the stomach) and was curious if any of you have noticed (that is, here in the states): that, more and more, almost to the point of extreme exclusivity, venues in the u.s. - whether baseball stadiums, arenas, etc. - are being named after corporate companies. witness DTE (edison/electric/energy), "allstate" arena, etc. we've got comerica (bank) park here in detroit. isn't there a qualcom park in sf? i mean - isn't enough that we have to deal w/the economics of it all? now, we have to haggle mentally with the rather un-aesthetic idea of going to see someone like roxy at some of these unimaginatively named holes in the earth (or thereabouts). just an observation. when should we start the revolution, prey tell? or maybe the laissez-faire revolution, n'est-ce pas? peaces/ms _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:57:31 -0800 From: Marcia Sexton Subject: RE: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date Spiffy! Let me know about how to work the payment thing. Marcia Sexton Office Assistant Grubb & Ellis/Northland Real Estate marcias@genorth.com Office: 541.345.2361 Fax: 541.345.5461 - -----Original Message----- From: Helchat@aol.com [SMTP:Helchat@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:22 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chronicle Pavilion date Marcia, sounds great! I have a friend that was able to get us 4th row on ATGB at the Paramount in Oakland, so hopefully he can do the same again. Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:56:30 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live Wetton On 22 Mar 2001, at 16:56, Simon Galloway wrote: > Did he do the whole Country Life tour? I think so, though someone will probably correct me... > And when did Johnny Gustafson play live with them? Certainly the UK leg of the Siren tour... > Looking at the back of Viva it only lists three shows - Glasgow, > Newcastle and Wembley, but there are 4 bass players named... Rick Wills (ex Humble Pie and "star" of LST promo) over-dubbed in the studio during mixing on some tracks IIRC. He played on later dates in the Siren tour, I think... David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:58:33 -0800 From: Marcia Sexton Subject: RE: [AVALON] Veg clone I like Broccoli too; or were you wondering about getting yourself cloned? Marcia Sexton - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:29 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Veg clone How did you get on with brocolli? SimonG >>> Marcia Sexton 03/22 4:53 pm >>> I cloned carrots in high school, anyone with experience out there in the mammalian arena? Yes, I know I'm sick. I was a biology major in college. I'm usually OK as long as I continue to take my medication, though. One can't help wondering, though, if with more Bryans, we would get more new material and fewer anthology releases. Marcia Sexton ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:07:08 EST From: ByrneHead1@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon] Minneapolis Internet On-Sale Ticketmaster.com lists the Minneapolis date as having an Internet Onsale of Monday March 26! This is a full two days after tickets are supposed to go on sale. Did they get the date wrong, or do we poor fools really have to wait 2 days to buy tickets online for this show?? Hello balcony... Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:00:22 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] laissez-faire capitalist venue names On 22 Mar 2001, at 17:50, mark shanahan wrote: > when should we start the revolution, prey tell? I thought you'd already had one, mate! But corporations rule the world under global totalitarian capitalism, don't they? David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:28:33 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Clear Channel Menace & Cleveland I don't think discussing the state of the music/promotion business is either a political discussion or something which doesn't belong on the list--it's directly related to what is going on, isn't it? I take it from the almost exclusive US content of this discussion that these issues simply don't exist in the UK. Lucky you. On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 sueray@davidbowie.com wrote: [...] > But will this consolidation of the marketplace result in further ease > as a consumer? Making choices represents a difficulty to some and with > a single, centralized supplier of entertainment, won't that make for a > far easier entertainment consumption experience? Well, you could go > to Atlanta's Chastain Park Ampitheatre webpage and have a look at the > truly labyrinthian gordian knot of venue policies that I still can't > figure out to judge that call. Read what's allowed or not allowed and Yes, but all that does is divert any questions to may have or any critical energy into asking if you may bring a picnic basket instead of other questions like why isn't there more choice in the offerings or why do I have to pay parking on top of the "service charges" or the like. So yes, it does make things easier and more centralized. And it keeps you from asking questions. > under which conditions at that facility. Or how about how to buy > tickets? It reads like a software license!! [ Actually what I find even more distressing is under "Services" they brag: > Starbucks Coffee - need we say more? (Yeah, OK, I have been known to drink it myself.) > For those who think I have nothing to do but complain at the result of > an actual tour of ROXY MUSIC [!], my hat is off to Phil Manzanera's > website for providing extremely current information on a very timely > basis! If it's a rumor in Avalon, then it's a fact on Phil's updated > daily website! They take their website and it's purpose far more > seriously than Ferry's, which is largely an exercise in branding. Is this, do you think, a function of the fact that people tend to come to Ferry, fawn over him, etc. and that he is a brand name, and that Phil has had to be more active, if not proactive, with respect to his own career. And perhaps that has given him a stake in his website? Actually I find the fact that it is manzanera.com which seems to share our collective enthusiasm for the tour rather heartening. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:48:30 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] laissez-faire capitalist venue names - -----Original Message----- From: mark shanahan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: [AVALON] laissez-faire capitalist venue names >just a bit of trivia that's somewhat sickening (to the stomach) and was >curious if any of you have noticed (that is, here in the states): > >that, more and more, almost to the point of extreme exclusivity, venues in >the u.s. - whether baseball stadiums, arenas, etc. - are being named after >corporate companies. witness DTE (edison/electric/energy), "allstate" arena, >etc. we've got comerica (bank) park here in detroit. isn't there a qualcom >park in sf? Yes, and the New York theatre company Roundabout use a venue recently remaned the American Airlines Theatre! Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:24:48 -0500 From: "Strimples" Subject: [AVALON] N.Y.C. Pre-Sale Anyone have the password yet or know where to go to get it. I have tried unsuccessfully to locate information. If it becomes available just before tix go on sale e-mail me off-list. Thanks for your help. Steve PS I will keep trying ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:32:29 EST From: ByrneHead1@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Minneapolis update I called Ticketmaster and it appears that the Minny on-sale is pushed back to Monday Mar 26 at 10:00. Not sure if anyone cares about the Minny date 'cept myself, but I thought I'd pass it along anyway! Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:34:08 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] The Blue Nile I was wondering if any Roxy fans liked this Scottish band? They are the only band I really got into in the last two decades. Bryan Ferry said they were a long time favourite. I saw them at the Roxy (of all places) and met Paul Buchanan. Sadly, they only put an album out every 8 years. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:53:40 -0600 From: Bill Gillam Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Blue Nile I will need to learn more and check them out! THANKS David Firmin wrote: > I was wondering if any Roxy fans liked this Scottish band? They are the only > band I really got into in the last two decades. Bryan Ferry said they were a > long time favourite. I saw them at the Roxy (of all places) and met Paul > Buchanan. Sadly, they only put an album out every 8 years. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:05:41 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame - -----Original Message----- From: Grant Goggans To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: [AVALON] the @!#* r-n-r hall of shame >True, but on the other hand, Clevelanders are in the best position to storm >the building in protest for the committee's oversights. Demand Roxy be >given a place in the hall, or else you detonate a series of carefully >planned explosions, creating a very long, deep trench and diverting the >Cuyohoga through the building. > Serious music fans regard the Hall as little more than a Hard Rock Cafe without the crappy food. So it`s not worth the waste of good explosives. ;-) BTW, the Hard Rock here in Gatlinburg will have the Beatles' Magic Mystery Tour bus on display this week. They`re holding a drawing in the hopes of unloading the damn thing on some rube. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #113 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest