From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #94 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, March 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] psalm ["Niki H" ] Re: [AVALON] Promo videos [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Promo videos ["Andrew Shearer" ] [AVALON] Rhino [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Rhino ["Mike Leigh" ] Re: [AVALON] Rhino [David Neuhaus ] Re: [AVALON] AMA pics ["Ed Stobbelaar" ] Re: [AVALON] If there is something/ Sentimental Fool [Adrew Howard ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon "I could show you in a word" [jmdillon@mindspring] Re: [AVALON] Re : I could show you in a word... ["Martin Stockman" Subject: [AVALON] psalm much more baffling than song for europe is psalm.he wrote it,did he mean it? is he a religious man?he looks very serious on the video cd of a german concert in 1975. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:41:29 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Promo videos Does anyone have any idea whether Ridley Scott directed the 'Avalon' video? Has anybody compiled a sheet of Video directors for Roxy/Ferry. Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:23:41 -0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Promo videos Don't know about Avalon but did Ridley Scott direct Is Your Love Strong Enough? (As he directed Legend, didn't he?) Don't know if anyone has noticed but there's a classic cameo of Antony Price as the butler in Avalon, I think Nick de Ville is in it too but I may be mistaken. I think Mondino directed Slave to Love (also did Boys of Summer - Don Henley) Andrew PS Is there any chance of Avalon and More than This being on the forthcoming videos? I was really surprised they were left off the Video Collection. >From: KWil632057@aol.com >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Promo videos >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:41:29 EST > >Does anyone have any idea whether Ridley Scott directed the 'Avalon' video? >Has anybody compiled a sheet of Video directors for Roxy/Ferry. > >Jonathan > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:06:25 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Rhino This was a question on the Rhino Musical Aptitude test. What's Brian Eno's full name? a) Brian Henry Eno b) Brian Benjamin Disraeli Eno c) Brian David Lloyd George Eno d) Brian Peter George St. John le Baptiste de la Salle Eno e) Brian Cougar Mellencamp Eno They have some fun little tests. http://www.rhino.com/RMAT/ Americans will recognize the infamous Pee-Chee folder. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:44:10 -0000 From: "Mike Leigh" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rhino It's d) Brian Peter George St. John le Baptiste de la Salle Eno Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Firmin To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: [AVALON] Rhino > This was a question on the Rhino Musical Aptitude test. > > What's Brian Eno's full name? > a) Brian Henry Eno > b) Brian Benjamin Disraeli Eno > c) Brian David Lloyd George Eno > d) Brian Peter George St. John le Baptiste de la Salle Eno > e) Brian Cougar Mellencamp Eno > > They have some fun little tests. > http://www.rhino.com/RMAT/ > > Americans will recognize the infamous Pee-Chee folder. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:45:12 -0500 From: David Neuhaus Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rhino D ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:12:38 +0100 From: "Ed Stobbelaar" Subject: Re: [AVALON] AMA pics The Richard E. Grant (who?) lookalike is Ron Snelderweert, the singer of RM/RM. The BF-wannabe is Dick Verseput, a Dutch Avalonian. Cheers, Ed - ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Shadbolt To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: [AVALON] AMA pics > These pics are great, everybody :-) However I would like to know the identities > of the people in the picture labelled "Organisers and band". I know who Reecey > and Jocelyn are (duh!) but I would especially like to know who the Richard E. > Grant lookalike on the left and the apparent BF wannabe (er, aren't you all > ;-) ) standing up are. Ho hum. > > Bye. > > Laura, mmm, Richard E. Grant . . . > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: Adrew Howard Subject: Re: [AVALON] If there is something/ Sentimental Fool > I have always found that to be a really moving song, the closer it gets to > the end. I always think it's so reflective and yearning is the right word. > It might seem strange but in sentiment it reminds me of 'September Song'. > It's fascinating to see how some of Ferry's early gems were possibly/ probably influenced by songs that he later covered. I always draw the comparison between If There Is Something and That's How Strong My Love Is. The yearning in these songs reach obsessive heights and the analogies are totally over the top but the sentiments are still charming and heart rending. I also agree that Sentimental Fool is a great song but isn't it being sung from the point of view of the betrayer and the betrayed. Sometimes I think it would be more effective if Ferry sang this as a duet - perhaps on the next tour with Kate Bush. Ok, I'm dreaming now. Drew _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:11:36 +0000 From: beauxb@cwctv.net Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Video Tell me. Is the best Roxy video that wasn`t, "Don`t Want To Know" ? Every nuance is so Roxy/Ferry it beggars belief!! This is surely a ROXY VIDEO! Discuss if you dare! ? BEAUX. Or contact my Mobile E-Mail at ; beaux@orange.net ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: blue Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon "I could show you in a word" New to this list, but not to Roxy. Unfortunately, I was born a bit late, but began to catch up by the time I was four ('79), full Roxy lover by '81. (Gratitude goes to older sister). Recently rediscovering passions for Roxy because I introduced a friend to the music, and, happily, he has gone mad for it. As far as lines go... we were discussing the "leading on" line not a week ago, how perfect it is: you feel something's coming, and the music IS leading you on, and you are waiting for that swing into "sen-ti-men talfool!" and the horns and ohohh ohh. Perfect. And I've been a bit cynical lately, but even when I try to see a bad/warped/without hope view in anything off Stranded, it's impossible. But the fave (at the moment) is the entire list in If There is Something. . . "growing potatoes by the score?" A person willing to suffer this dirt-scrabbling, mundane existence and says so is more exciting than someone who only claims thay'll climb mountains-- it makes the promises believable. (That plus the mindshaking, gasping intensity of his voice.) And I'd like to know who is the band whose tour "conflicts with RM's," as someone said. If they are worth considering over Roxy, I'd REALLY like to know who they are. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:19:03 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] Re : I could show you in a word... Roxy Music : "Well I really blew my cool, and you, you just blew out the candle" "Boo-hoo willows weep around you still" "Your swimming-pool eyes, in sea breezes they flutter, the coconut tears, heavy lidded they shed"... Bryan Ferry : "And should we meet again, Uncertain, out of reach, on the other side of time"... "Don't talk to me, your perfume sighs I'm lost inside, babe, your painted smile" (and the entire lyrics to 'This Island Earth') - --------------------------------------------- Sorry - couldn't choose just one ! Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:32:17 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] faves Probably done to death I know, on this list long, long before I was here, but I don't think I've really 'noted' the faves, so I'm attempting a 'Top 10' of both Roxy and Ferry (in no particular order). Might be a nice thing to 'poll' again with everyone of us, after the tour... Roxy Music : Sentimental Fool Out Of The Blue Grey Lagoons Beauty Queen Serenade Lover True To Life The Thrill Of It All More Than This If There Is Something Bryan Ferry : This Island Earth Your Painted Smile Boys And Girls Windswept Another Time, Another Place Love Me Madly Again 2.H.B. (yep, much prefer the solo version !) You Go To My Head Bete Noire The Only Face ('Live' - yes, I know it's cheating !) Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:48:26 -0500 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon "I could show you in a word" Friday, March 09, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon "I could show you in a word" Blue wrote "And I'd like to know who is the band whose tour "conflicts with RM's," as someone said. If they are worth considering over Roxy, I'd REALLY like to know who they are" <><><><><><> Me too. John D ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:38:03 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : I could show you in a word... I thought Bryan Ferry wrote all the lyrics. Why differentiate ? - ---------- >From: "Reecey" >To: >Subject: [AVALON] Re : I could show you in a word... >Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001, 2:19 am > > Roxy Music : > > "Well I really blew my cool, and you, > you just blew out the candle" > > "Boo-hoo willows weep around you still" > > "Your swimming-pool eyes, in sea breezes they flutter, > the coconut tears, heavy lidded they shed"... > > Bryan Ferry : > > "And should we meet again, > Uncertain, out of reach, on the other side of time"... > > "Don't talk to me, your perfume sighs > I'm lost inside, babe, your painted smile" > > (and the entire lyrics to 'This Island Earth') > > --------------------------------------------- > > Sorry - couldn't choose just one ! > > Reecey... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:58:47 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Evening Standard article discussing "riders" Found this piece avout the Reunion press conference. Some interesting stuff about riders... Written by Pete Clark (who I've never forgiven for slating Mamouna) These press conferences used to be commonplace, now they are rare. It is true that no information of interest has been gathered at such an event, but I am nostalgic for them all the same. After most of the Press had melted away, I was awarded my 15 minutes of vicarious fame. Ferry, together with Phil Manzanera and Andy Mackay, had retreated to a room behind the ballroom's stage where they were holding court in a corner, which was closed off by black curtains. Ah, the mystery! I was greeted by three tall men, immaculately suited and booted, two of them sporting correctly knotted ties. They looked as relaxed as could be expected given the extraordinarily artificial manner of the encounter. The first question suggested itself immediately, even though they had probably heard it 100 times that afternoon: why have you decided to get back together after all this time? Ferry sucked reflectively on a throat sweet before giving his considered reply. "Well, the cynics would say it was for the money, of course." The three of them seemed to find this idea amusing. "Actually, somebody did come up to us and make us an offer, and it was the first time anyone had done it in a properly organised manner," he continues. "When they put it like that, we couldn't think of any reason not to do it." It seems that the idea may have taken root in Ferry's mind a while ago. Last year he played around 70 gigs as a solo performer, and decided to include some old Roxy Music numbers in the set. "The resonance from the audience, the warmth that came over from them for these songs - not only the hits, but some of the more obscure stuff - made me aware at first-hand of how much public interest there still was," he recalls. "Another factor was that this year seemed to be the right time - it is 30 years since we got together." Phil Manzanera agrees that there is a lot of goodwill out there waiting to be tapped. "We suddenly thought that there were all these Roxy songs and many of them would never be heard live again, which seemed such a waste. There's lots of great songs on the albums apart from the famous ones, and the majority of younger people probably wouldn't be familiar with them. There's a lot of curiosity simply because we've been mentioned as an influence by so many groups over the years - people like Radiohead, Pulp and Moby." The mechanics of touring, needless to say, do not fill them with enthusiasm. Ferry mentions the problems of touring when families are involved and Mackay trumps him by mentioning that his youngest child is three. Manzanera views the prospect philosophically: "I don't think you could indulge in the silliness you did before, because you can't physically do it." Knowing them to be veterans of the touring game, I ask them if they will have any special requests for backstage treats, a phenomenon known as the "rider". Mackay laughs and confesses that he can never think of anything in the way of an exotic titbit or special bottle. "The problem with riders," he confides, "is that one night you might feel like a bacon sandwich and note that down. After that, for every night of the rest of the tour, a bacon sandwich appears before every show." "Perhaps we could have 50 different riders for 50 different shows," suggests Ferry. He pauses to think about it. "I think I'll settle for a bottle of mineral water." The three rockers don't know who else will be with them on stage, to play the bass and drums. But they are confident that this will not be a series of tired retro-shows performed by men going through the motions. "The songs are there," insists Manzanera. "If we play them well and get the right textures and atmospheres, the magic will be created. Once you get on stage, you can't hold back, it's all or nothing. We are not going out there to try and conserve our energies. We are all committed musicians. This is what we do." One final question which demands to be asked of such a bunch of committed sartorialists is this: what are you going to be wearing, what is to be the look? "Well, what about this?" laughs Ferry, motioning towards his smart shirt, jacket and tie. "Oh, I don't know. We'll think of something." ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:05:23 -0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Evening Standard article discussing "riders" Thanks for that Martin. Andrew >From: "Martin Stockman" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Evening Standard article discussing "riders" >Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:58:47 +0000 > >Found this piece avout the Reunion press conference. Some interesting stuff >about riders... > >Written by Pete Clark (who I've never forgiven for slating Mamouna) > >These press conferences used to be commonplace, now they are rare. It is >true that no information of interest has been gathered at such an event, >but >I am nostalgic for them all the same. >After most of the Press had melted away, I was awarded my 15 minutes of >vicarious fame. Ferry, together with Phil Manzanera and Andy Mackay, had >retreated to a room behind the ballroom's stage where they were holding >court in a corner, which was closed off by black curtains. Ah, the mystery! >I was greeted by three tall men, immaculately suited and booted, two of >them >sporting correctly knotted ties. They looked as relaxed as could be >expected >given the extraordinarily artificial manner of the encounter. >The first question suggested itself immediately, even though they had >probably heard it 100 times that afternoon: why have you decided to get >back >together after all this time? Ferry sucked reflectively on a throat sweet >before giving his considered reply. "Well, the cynics would say it was for >the money, of course." The three of them seemed to find this idea amusing. >"Actually, somebody did come up to us and make us an offer, and it was the >first time anyone had done it in a properly organised manner," he >continues. >"When they put it like that, we couldn't think of any reason not to do it." >It seems that the idea may have taken root in Ferry's mind a while ago. >Last >year he played around 70 gigs as a solo performer, and decided to include >some old Roxy Music numbers in the set. "The resonance from the audience, >the warmth that came over from them for these songs - not only the hits, >but >some of the more obscure stuff - made me aware at first-hand of how much >public interest there still was," he recalls. "Another factor was that this >year seemed to be the right time - it is 30 years since we got together." >Phil Manzanera agrees that there is a lot of goodwill out there waiting to >be tapped. "We suddenly thought that there were all these Roxy songs and >many of them would never be heard live again, which seemed such a waste. >There's lots of great songs on the albums apart from the famous ones, and >the majority of younger people probably wouldn't be familiar with them. >There's a lot of curiosity simply because we've been mentioned as an >influence by so many groups over the years - people like Radiohead, Pulp >and >Moby." >The mechanics of touring, needless to say, do not fill them with >enthusiasm. >Ferry mentions the problems of touring when families are involved and >Mackay >trumps him by mentioning that his youngest child is three. Manzanera views >the prospect philosophically: "I don't think you could indulge in the >silliness you did before, because you can't physically do it." Knowing them >to be veterans of the touring game, I ask them if they will have any >special >requests for backstage treats, a phenomenon known as the "rider". Mackay >laughs and confesses that he can never think of anything in the way of an >exotic titbit or special bottle. "The problem with riders," he confides, >"is >that one night you might feel like a bacon sandwich and note that down. >After that, for every night of the rest of the tour, a bacon sandwich >appears before every show." >"Perhaps we could have 50 different riders for 50 different shows," >suggests >Ferry. He pauses to think about it. "I think I'll settle for a bottle of >mineral water." >The three rockers don't know who else will be with them on stage, to play >the bass and drums. But they are confident that this will not be a series >of >tired retro-shows performed by men going through the motions. >"The songs are there," insists Manzanera. "If we play them well and get the >right textures and atmospheres, the magic will be created. Once you get on >stage, you can't hold back, it's all or nothing. We are not going out there >to try and conserve our energies. We are all committed musicians. This is >what we do." One final question which demands to be asked of such a bunch >of >committed sartorialists is this: what are you going to be wearing, what is >to be the look? >"Well, what about this?" laughs Ferry, motioning towards his smart shirt, >jacket and tie. "Oh, I don't know. We'll think of something." > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #94 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest