From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #86 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, March 3 2001 Volume 06 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent [ganymede.zeus@verizon.net] Re: [AVALON] Two Deadly Finns [David Neuhaus ] Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins ["David Firmin" On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 ganymede.zeus@verizon.net wrote: > > > hunting and for that reason thought vast tracts of wilderness should > > be preserved. What an odd combination for today's world. He would be > > both an NRA member and a tree hugger. He also voluntarily stepped > > down from office after one term b/c he didn't believe anyone should > > serve more than that. Finally, he waged war against what he called > > Actually, TR became president in 1901, following the assassination of > William McKinley. He stood for re-election in 1904, and won, and served a > full second term, leaving office in 1909. In 1912 he ran again (and lost) > for a third term as president on the Bull Moose ticket. TR held many > seemingly conflicting positions on issues. However, he was a politician > during a time when politicians (and popular entertainers, bringing this > back on topic) weren't coached extensively on only thinking thoughts that > would never offend anyone and would therefore have a negative effect on > sales, erm votes. > > Colleen (who, as the resident historian, I has to stick up for Theodore > Roosevelt, Man of Action, as the children's bio of him I have is titled) > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:46:27 -0500 From: David Neuhaus Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Deadly Finns Here's a Mental Note: Split Enz played in New York City at the Bottom Line in March 1977 as the support act for Henny Youngman (who was not very kind to them). I had an article with a photo of the original band members from Trouser Press Magazine, and met Tim Finn at the bar after their act. He was very pleasant and took the article/photo backstage and all the members signed it. I've still got it, tucked away in the album cover. Dave in Jersey ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:51:46 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins Andrew, I guess it's like comparing Yngwie Malmsteen to Jimi Hendrix? Technically accomplished or a master at coaxing all manner of unforeseen sonics from his instrument. I enjoy Andy for his style and the way his playing makes me feel. Thanks, David - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins > Making an assessment of technical ability for a rock musician is rather absurd and > pretentious. Take it from someone who exerted his efforts for years trying to be > the slickest and fastest rock guitarist in his area before he realized that rock and > pop aren't about that. It's primarily about song writing and sounds, creating > musical and sonic atmospheres. If you want virtuosity, listen to classical music. > There it has a rightful place, for the repertoire demands a minimum of technical > competence, and the standards are quite high. > > My guess is that Andy McKay contributed a lot more in terms of song writing, > production and engineering than we know (didn't he write an authoritative book on > electronic music?). If his only contribution had been his sax playing, he could > have easily been replaced. My experience suggests that people in any sort of > successful collaboration only survive if they are deemed indispensable. There are > many, many slick sax players out there. My guess is that he contributed far more > than his sax playing. His efforts may, however, have been eclipsed by any divas in > the band. Mind you, I don't mean to imply there were necessarily any divas in the > band, but you never know. > > Of course, cemeteries are full of indispensable people. > > But what do I know? > > Andrew > > stevesiren wrote: > > > Agreed David, I've always believed that AM's sax work has been sadly undervalued > > > > by the music press. Strangely though, I've always considered his best work to be > > on Mott the Hoople's "Mott" album. > > Mel Collins was certainly impressive live, but can he duckwalk? > > Steve > > > > David Firmin wrote: > > > > > Since we're back on the subject of RM/BF > > > > > > Who do you think was the more accomplished Sax player - Andy Mackay or Mel > > > Collins? > > > > > > Mel performed on Ferry's: In Your Mind, Let's Stick Together, Bride Stripped > > > Bare, Taxi > > > And these Manzo projects: Listen/Now, K Scope > > > > > > also, Some Girls by The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Alan Parsons Project. > > > > > > I was just curious. People have downplayed Andy's sax playing for years... > > > > > > -- > > > Andy Mackay, Roxy Music, Rock Follies, The Explorers > > > http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/roxymusic.html > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:18:36 -0500 From: Alan Simonelli Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent Colleen Matan wrote: > > > > Why should Mr. Ferry have to prove the depth of his convictions or offer > any rationale at all, impresseive or not, to any of us? He has every > right to support whatever cause he'd like for whatever reasons he likes, > and those reasons don't have to pass any sort of test of intellectual > and/or logical rigor. > Just one thought about this.... If an individual is coming out and issuing a public statement about a political, ethical or moral issue - openly presenting their view on a certain subject to whomever is listening - then it would seem logical to me that people would wish and deserve to know the reasoning behind the statement. If the individual in question did not want to defend their position then they would be wise to keep their opinions to themselves. Personally speaking I strongly believe a person has a right to whatever opinions they choose, however when one opens these issues up in a public forum they should be prepared to defend their views. That said, I will keep my opinions about fox hunting to myself and remain busy counting the days until the U.S. tour dates are announced. Cheers! Amy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:33:32 -0500 From: ganymede.zeus@verizon.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins Yeah well there is that Dave. It certainly seems appropriate for Roxy Music, but then they never had anyone else. Suffice it to say in some fashion or other Andy is integral to the sound. I've generally detested the sax, but I think Roxy is a good example of how it can be used effectively. Bruce Springsteen seems to have a good idea of how to use it in his songs as well. best wishes Andrew David Firmin wrote: > Andrew, > I guess it's like comparing Yngwie Malmsteen to Jimi Hendrix? Technically > accomplished or a master at coaxing all manner of unforeseen sonics from his > instrument. I enjoy Andy for his style and the way his playing makes me > feel. > Thanks, > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins > > > Making an assessment of technical ability for a rock musician is rather > absurd and > > pretentious. Take it from someone who exerted his efforts for years > trying to be > > the slickest and fastest rock guitarist in his area before he realized > that rock and > > pop aren't about that. It's primarily about song writing and sounds, > creating > > musical and sonic atmospheres. If you want virtuosity, listen to > classical music. > > There it has a rightful place, for the repertoire demands a minimum of > technical > > competence, and the standards are quite high. > > > > My guess is that Andy McKay contributed a lot more in terms of song > writing, > > production and engineering than we know (didn't he write an authoritative > book on > > electronic music?). If his only contribution had been his sax playing, he > could > > have easily been replaced. My experience suggests that people in any sort > of > > successful collaboration only survive if they are deemed indispensable. > There are > > many, many slick sax players out there. My guess is that he contributed > far more > > than his sax playing. His efforts may, however, have been eclipsed by any > divas in > > the band. Mind you, I don't mean to imply there were necessarily any > divas in the > > band, but you never know. > > > > Of course, cemeteries are full of indispensable people. > > > > But what do I know? > > > > Andrew > > > > stevesiren wrote: > > > > > Agreed David, I've always believed that AM's sax work has been sadly > undervalued > > > > > > by the music press. Strangely though, I've always considered his best > work to be > > > on Mott the Hoople's "Mott" album. > > > Mel Collins was certainly impressive live, but can he duckwalk? > > > Steve > > > > > > David Firmin wrote: > > > > > > > Since we're back on the subject of RM/BF > > > > > > > > Who do you think was the more accomplished Sax player - Andy Mackay or > Mel > > > > Collins? > > > > > > > > Mel performed on Ferry's: In Your Mind, Let's Stick Together, Bride > Stripped > > > > Bare, Taxi > > > > And these Manzo projects: Listen/Now, K Scope > > > > > > > > also, Some Girls by The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Alan Parsons > Project. > > > > > > > > I was just curious. People have downplayed Andy's sax playing for > years... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Andy Mackay, Roxy Music, Rock Follies, The Explorers > > > > http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/roxymusic.html > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:41:08 -0800 From: "Pete Kohut" Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon]Emperor has no clothes hmm er soul "War is over, If you want it." Not an elaborate position but a convincing one. Where is it said that you need an elaborate position or explanation to be convincing? I think it is amusing that people are so extremely critical of Ted Nugent and yet Ted and Bryan share the same views. They are intellectual equals, are they not? I'm sure they can get together some time and swap old hunting stories. I on the other hand disagree with both of them. I merely said Bryan doesn't share the same convictions. To think Bryan is not showing for safety reasons, gives the "Former frontman of the 70's glam rock outfit Roxy Music" more grandeur than befits his real stature. I love his music but I hate to break this to you, he is Bryan Who[?] to most people. Clearly promoters told him it was a bad idea for ticket sales, so he backed off. Finally, there was a Colleen, who spoke of disappointment over Bryan not attending rally as originally planned a few weeks ago, that must of been a different Colleen. running out of time.
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