From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #85 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, March 2 2001 Volume 06 : Number 085 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] New thread in town ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] kicki ["Niki H" ] Re: [AVALON] A Song For Europe [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] A Song For Europe [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Outstanding [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] A Song For Europe [David Firmin ] [AVALON] Abandon hope all ye who enter here... ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Abandon hope all ye who enter here... ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Uncut in the UK ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] AMA pictures [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins [stevesiren ] Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Two Deadly Finns ["S Clarke" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:29:23 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] New thread in town >>> 03/01 11:00 pm >>> > What song--word for word-- note for note---gets under your skin??? Let's see now, what song will it be....mmmm.......how about: > All those lies can be so unkind, > They can make you feel like you4re losing your mind > Street Life It's the whole experience really, but that's probably a key moment especially the seething "losing your mind" that meshes with the first "Street Life" and all that scraping from Edwin. Personally, I like lyrics that work as a whole, something like Pyjamarama, The Thrill Of It All, Out Of The Blue... it's hard to single out particular lines, but here's another: > Why are you sad - do you disapprove? > How we4ve wasted our time It's the timing/phrasing of the "why are you sad - do you disapprove" and the note he hits on "our time". One of those reflective eye moistening moments on the ATGB tour for sure! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:37:48 -0000 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] kicki where is kicki?there has not been any sign of her for a while. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:53:04 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Song For Europe "... but there always remains my obsession: Through silken waters my gondola glides and the bridge it sighs." First, Ton thank you for you response. I too am eager to discuss BF's work on a level of some depth. Strange as this may sound (since this is a Roxy/BF discussion group), I'd hate to further bore a portion of our population with potentially many and long posts about Ferry's work. To really due it justice, I believe the conversation would become protracted, and I wonder if this conversation should be taken off list? Speak now folks - or forever hold your peace! Second. Thanks to Danny for telling us, once more, of the Bridge of Sighs in Venice. For Danny's input prompted another vital contribution that, in my estimation, really does shed new light on the subject. So a big thanks to Andrew for the link he provided. Having learned something of the Bridge of Sighs I wonder if the above lyrics refer to a feeling of resignation, of fate or destiny. Could the bridge signify a connection with the inevitable judgment that will condemn an accused prisoner (lover) who may have been rightly or wrong accused? The canal, a path with no deviation but with certainty? The water flows smoothly - 'go with the flow' and accept what is and what shall be? (I'm still thinking about all this, many of my thoughts here are too rapid and I am not yet capable of verbalizing them on a coherent level.) Ton, your post brings up many interesting ideas about Mr. Ferry's regrets, his looking back. I hope we will be able to discuss Spin Me Round after we have all had our input on A Song For Europe discussion. "I remember all those moments lost in wonder that we'll never find again. Though the world is my oyster it's only a shell full of memories.... Now only sorrow - no tomorrow. There's no today for us. And nothing is there for us to share but yesterday." Pass the tissues, please. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Song For Europe On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, KB Porter wrote: > First, Ton thank you for you response. I too am eager to discuss BF's > work on a level of some depth. Strange as this may sound (since this > is a Roxy/BF discussion group), I'd hate to further bore a portion of > our population with potentially many and long posts about Ferry's > work. To really due it justice, I believe the conversation would > become protracted, and I wonder if this conversation should be taken > off list? Speak now folks - or forever hold your peace! This sort of conversation is entirely appropriate for this list and I'd be interested in reading eveyone's comments. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:21:36 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Outstanding < Finally, are we all of the opinion that the concert format will be fluid if indeed there are four songs from each album rehearsed for this tour? There's no way they'll play 32 songs each night is there? Although I'd stay on and get the late bus if they did... Richard Mills > That's what I thought when I heard the 'four songs an album'. Also, why would they need a support act? With 32 songs, it would easily take a few hours of playing with no breaks. Perhaps this IS their final farewell (the death of them yet) tour! KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:10:52 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Song For Europe I'm glad Ferry let someone else step in and write. Andy Mackay's first real contribution to a Roxy Music album was his outstanding "A Song for Europe". Andy also wrote Roxy Music B-sides "The Numberer" and "The Pride and the Pain". Music written for Country Life was "Three and Nine" and "Bittersweet." For Siren, Roxy's best known song in the States and huge hit "Love is the Drug" and a long-time personal favorite "Sentimental Fool" WOW! What Music! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:36:52 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Abandon hope all ye who enter here... British television's decline reaches a new low tomorrow as hip and happening Channel 4 presents The Top Ten of Progressive Rock. At least it's not another Dr Who night... Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:42:26 +0100 From: M Gus Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] A Song For Europe The song melody is strangely identical to "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", when you listen closely. Even more strangely, the song itself has an atmosphere and style completely different. I thought that was very spiffy :) Gus - --- "U don't dance 2 tekno anymore."-A3 http://www.cs.vu.nl/~gagussek gagussek@cs.vu.nl - --- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:57:13 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Abandon hope all ye who enter here... I saw the promo last night - Jethro Tull, Genesis, ELP, Yes and Hawkwind all featured. Should be a good laff if nowt else. SimonG >>> "Chris Turner" 03/02 4:36 pm >>> British television's decline reaches a new low tomorrow as hip and happening Channel 4 presents The Top Ten of Progressive Rock. At least it's not another Dr Who night... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:09:34 -0500 From: "Linda Epstein" Subject: [AVALON] Story on Eno in San Jose Merc ^Brian Eno smashes time barrier in musical exhibit@ By Brad Kava Knight Ridder Newspapers (KRT) SAN FRANCISCO _ "When I started doing what I called ambient music in the "70s," Brian Eno recalls, "people thought it was ludicrous to make music that didn't have a beat, a melody, a story, a voice, a beginning, an end. It just seemed like music without anything." But now, he says, so many others have followed his lead that "it just sounds like normal music." So he has decided to take it a step further. Eno, an early member of the English art-rock band Roxy Music, went on to produce some of U2's most adventurous work. Along the way, he coined the term "ambient music" to describe his own album "Music for Airports" which, as the title implies, is musical wallpaper, a lush, moody, almost formless soundscape of electronic background for people with other things on their minds. He was in San Francisco recently to preview his latest experiment, a music-filled room called "Compact Forest Proposal" at the Museum of Modern Art. It is part of an exhibit of technological-based art called "010101," which opens March 3 and continues through July 8. For his piece, Eno has tried to take music out of its most conventional boundary _ that of time. One walks into an almost-pitch-black room, lit slightly by strings of lights that bring trees to mind, crawling to the ceiling. (Eno says he wanted to use real trees but found out they would have to be fumigated, so he created his own.) Arching overhead, like a rainbow, are 11 compact-disc players, each playing one part of an electronic fugue. There is an eerie string bass low to the ground, gongs (actually the slowed sound of bells, Eno says), some distorted voices higher up (actually the single voice, stretched out through synthesizers, of a Japanese waitress who works near Eno's studio) and what sounds like stringed instruments crawling out from around the room. The players are set to shuffle randomly, so that the piece is never the same and will never end. "It's music as an architectural condition," Eno told a press reception. "I always wanted to make music that sat in one place as long as it can, until you get sick of it and shuffle off." Visually, the piece changes as your eyes get used to the darkness. There are surprises _ but to catalog them here would ruin your experience. This is well worth checking out for yourself. So what about pop? Eno's old Roxy bandmate Bryan Ferry is planning to re-form the group for a tour this summer. But Eno, 52, bristled at the idea that he would join, even for just a recording. "It's history. I'm not interested anymore. I mean, it's obvious why it's being done. Why does anyone have a reunion?" he asks, laughing. "They've suddenly been fired up with a whole bunch of incredible new ideas that have been lying dormant for the last 25 years? I just don't like the idea. It leaves a bad taste." It's not the only thing. Eno is dismayed by much of the current, computerized pop-music scene, in which performers no longer have to sing or play an instrument competently because it can all be doctored in the studio. It's more assembly line than artistic endeavor. "The Britney Spears way of making music is exactly like Hollywood," he notes. "You have script writers, the rewriters, the remixers. There's 40 separate departments. I don't particularly mind the music, but I hate the feeling that it's all processed." He says the most egregious thing he saw on a recent visit to Los Angeles occurred after a guitarist he won't name drove 120 miles to a studio to play a part on an album for a band and a producer Eno also won't name. Eagerly, the musician plugged in and began tuning up, ready to play his part. But after a few minutes, the producer told him he was no longer needed: With the sounds of the guitar tuning up, the producer could construct the musician's part on a computer. "I'm not easily offended, but this was so disgusting to me," Eno says. "The poor guitar player is sitting there. He's hardly struck a chord, with his lovely guitar and all his effects pedals, and he was told he wasn't needed. I exploded in there. It was so insulting." ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:31:33 GMT From: clique@cygnet.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] My NEC and Wembley tickets - Andy Langley Chris, Martin, Johnny and anyone else I know: I got NEC Block C row J - near middle 10 rows back - not bad Wembley Block A4 row 7 - so near to front, good, but a bit of neck ache I guess See you there Andy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:04:28 -0500 From: ganymede.zeus@verizon.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Another stinking opinion! U2 isn't worth hating really; they have a few good tunes.....but after a while Bono's screaming combined with Edge's persistent echo repeat wank riffs is not very interesting. Sting is a great musician, but anyone who says "I could fart into a tape deck and people would buy it" is not the sort I'm inclined to support. Re: Roxy reunion. It's about time. I think it's clear they aren't doing it for any other reason other than that of reviving a great and influential band. Rod LeCloux wrote: > From: Julie Long > > I just HAVE to chime in and agree with Debs -- I hate U2 and have for > nearly 20 > > years. > > Geez, isn't it time to beat up on Sting now...what is it with this list. It > seems like everbody has to knock down a band/artist they don't like. > > Are we that insecure with the Roxy re-union(401K plan)? > > Rod > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:39:20 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins Since we're back on the subject of RM/BF Who do you think was the more accomplished Sax player - Andy Mackay or Mel Collins? Mel performed on Ferry's: In Your Mind, Let's Stick Together, Bride Stripped Bare, Taxi And these Manzo projects: Listen/Now, K Scope also, Some Girls by The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Alan Parsons Project. I was just curious. People have downplayed Andy's sax playing for years... - -- Andy Mackay, Roxy Music, Rock Follies, The Explorers http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/roxymusic.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:05:29 -0800 From: "Pete Kohut" Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent Guy, your response was well reasoned, and yes I agree. I'm not for outlawing hunting. I'm an unabashed utopian dreamer who likes to think we can evolve from this practice. Like your fellow countryman John Lennon (RIP) I know I'm not alone. When Ted Nugent says he is an avid hunter I'm not not surprised. When Bryan supports such causes I am. Likewise I wasn't impressed with Bryan's rationale. I expected something more convincing from Mr. Ferry. It is obvious I expect too much... at least Ted Nugent has the courage of his convictions. He wouldn't back off of a march supporting his cause. He wouldn't shriek back and hope the subject goes away. The backgound on these struggles in your country was useful and gives me new insight. The 51st state remark certainly shows your sense of humor. Well I have to go because they are playing our tune by the pale moon and I'm running out of time. I hope it doesn't seem so funny for a fool to cry < ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:26:57 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Uncut in the UK Agreed. I read through it in the newsagent and didn't buy the magazine! That'll show 'em! Guy - -----Original Message----- KWil632057@aol.com The article in Q magazine is an insult to Roxy Music. jonathan In a message dated 01/03/01 14:05:01 GMT Standard Time, shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: > Hi All > > There's an article about the press conference in the new edition of Uncut > (page 10). Nothing new there that hasn't already been said though. > > (Also, Simon, there's what looks like a really good article about Bowie) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:27:16 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Pete Kohut wrote: > Lennon (RIP) I know I'm not alone. When Ted Nugent says he is an avid > hunter I'm not not surprised. When Bryan supports such causes I am. > Likewise I wasn't impressed with Bryan's rationale. I expected > something more convincing from Mr. Ferry. It is obvious I expect too Why should Mr. Ferry have to prove the depth of his convictions or offer any rationale at all, impresseive or not, to any of us? He has every right to support whatever cause he'd like for whatever reasons he likes, and those reasons don't have to pass any sort of test of intellectual and/or logical rigor. > much... at least Ted Nugent has the courage of his convictions. He > wouldn't back off of a march supporting his cause. He wouldn't shriek > back and hope the subject goes away. The backgound on these struggles How do we know Mr. Ferry is not shrieking [sic] back in order to ensure the safety of others who will be at the demonstration? Perhaps he feels his presence would bring out a greater number of protesters and wishes to minimize any violence which may occur by opting out. Basically it comes down to this: if the political/ethical/moral views of any artist are such that they present a serious ethical and/or moral challenge or rebuke to your own, perhaps you are better off boycotting that artist. Otherwise, said artist owes his/her listening public no elaborate justifications for his/her political views, and such conversations are at best moot, and at worst tedious. There's a reason politics and entertainment should be kept apart at all costs (except, of course, when politics inadvertently become entertainment). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:44:37 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] AMA pictures I know that the British Avalonians are wondering when I will upload the pictures from the AMA, and I just want to reassure you that YES, I will put them on my site! Hopefully on Monday. I just haven't had the time to do it yet... /kicki G - -- - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:56:39 +0000 From: stevesiren Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins Agreed David, I've always believed that AM's sax work has been sadly undervalued by the music press. Strangely though, I've always considered his best work to be on Mott the Hoople's "Mott" album. Mel Collins was certainly impressive live, but can he duckwalk? Steve David Firmin wrote: > Since we're back on the subject of RM/BF > > Who do you think was the more accomplished Sax player - Andy Mackay or Mel > Collins? > > Mel performed on Ferry's: In Your Mind, Let's Stick Together, Bride Stripped > Bare, Taxi > And these Manzo projects: Listen/Now, K Scope > > also, Some Girls by The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Alan Parsons Project. > > I was just curious. People have downplayed Andy's sax playing for years... > > -- > Andy Mackay, Roxy Music, Rock Follies, The Explorers > http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/roxymusic.html > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:10:52 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Who Wants To Be a Millionaire? In todays show of Who Wants To Be a Millionaire? on Swedish TV, channel 4, the question for the 40,000 Sek (about $ 4,000) was: What 1970's band was fronted by Bryan Ferry? A. Sweet. B. Roxy Music. C. Black Sabbath. D. Led Zeppelin. The contestant was a young mother of a six month old child - the name escapes me - who wanted to marry the father. She needed the 40,000 Sek and had already used a lifeline (if that's the correct English word). So she called her fiancee, who like all five people she had given, is called Martin. "He wants to contribute to our wedding" she said. Martin answered B. Roxy Music. But the young mother could not answer the next question for 80,000 Sek (about $ 8,000) what the Swedish taxpayers' magazine is called, it's Common sense for the record. She kept the 40,000 Sek (about $ 4,000) and got her wedding. My wife said that if I ever did anything like that she would divorce me. And if she ever is on TV, which is unlikely, and called me with a stupid question I should divorce her. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:56:16 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] New thread in town On 2 Mar 2001, at 11:29, Simon Galloway wrote: > >>> 03/01 11:00 pm >>> > > What song--word for word-- note for note---gets under your skin??? > And SimonG suggested: > > Why are you sad - do you disapprove? > > How we4ve wasted our time If I had to choose just one song, it could well be Sunset. I loved it as a 14 year old kid, listening on a terrible old Philips cassette recorder in my bedroom. I love it now. It was the song that persuaded me to get off my arse and see Bryan on the last tour. That distinctive Ferry piano style is heard at its best, particularly in the instrumental cascade half way through. Other highlights for me are the interplay between double and electric bass (oh, those bowed shivers near the end!) and the way the recording levels are turned up as the last note fades away... But I'd rather not have to choose! David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:05:57 +0000 From: Peter Dewey Subject: [AVALON] 32 Songs Lurking too long If you average 4 to 5 (ie 4 1/2) mins per tune, that'd be 144 mins, or a little under 2 1/2 hours. Possible, I suppose. I think Statto should give us the longest and shortest setlists, assuming 4 songs per album and I suppose you'd have to include the non-album releases, ie VP, Pyjamas and J Guy. Why not Max Weinberg on the skins? He's used to 3 3/4 hour sets (as I saw 1.7.00 in MSG!) NP Elvis, That's The Way It Is, with Walk A Mile In My Shoes and Are You Lonesome Tonight? marvellous stuff. - -- Peter Dewey ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:04:55 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins I'm glad you agree. I remember some cretin on a sax newsgroup saying Andy's pseudo-classical 'Ride of the Valkyries' was worth a good larf. So I wanted to confirm that I wasn't crazy. Both of Andy's solo albums are outstanding as well as the two Rock Follies albums he composed. on 3/2/01 12:56 PM, stevesiren at stevesiren@netscapeonline.co.uk wrote: > Agreed David, I've always believed that AM's sax work has been sadly > undervalued > > by the music press. Strangely though, I've always considered his best work to > be > on Mott the Hoople's "Mott" album. > Mel Collins was certainly impressive live, but can he duckwalk? > Steve > > David Firmin wrote: > >> Since we're back on the subject of RM/BF >> >> Who do you think was the more accomplished Sax player - Andy Mackay or Mel >> Collins? >> >> Mel performed on Ferry's: In Your Mind, Let's Stick Together, Bride Stripped >> Bare, Taxi >> And these Manzo projects: Listen/Now, K Scope >> >> also, Some Girls by The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Alan Parsons Project. >> >> I was just curious. People have downplayed Andy's sax playing for years... >> >> -- >> Andy Mackay, Roxy Music, Rock Follies, The Explorers >> http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/roxymusic.html >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:45:09 -0000 From: "Gary Sanders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent BF wouldn't wear a codpiece and have a wind machine in the aisles to blow dry his hair though... - -----Original Message----- From: Pete Kohut To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 02 March 2001 19:09 Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent >Guy, your response was well reasoned, and yes I agree. I'm not for outlawing >hunting. I'm an unabashed utopian dreamer who likes to think we can evolve >from this practice. Like your fellow countryman John Lennon (RIP) I know I'm >not alone. When Ted Nugent says he is an avid hunter I'm not not surprised. >When Bryan supports such causes I am. Likewise I wasn't impressed with Bryan's >rationale. I expected something more convincing from Mr. Ferry. It is obvious >I expect too much... at least Ted Nugent has the courage of his convictions. >He wouldn't back off of a march supporting his cause. He wouldn't shriek back >and hope the subject goes away. The backgound on these struggles in your >country was useful and gives me new insight. The 51st state remark certainly >shows your sense of humor. Well I have to go because they are playing our tune >by the pale moon and I'm running out of time. I hope it doesn't seem so funny >for a fool to cry < > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:52:06 -0500 From: ganymede.zeus@verizon.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gratuitous Sax & Senseless Violins Making an assessment of technical ability for a rock musician is rather absurd and pretentious. Take it from someone who exerted his efforts for years trying to be the slickest and fastest rock guitarist in his area before he realized that rock and pop aren't about that. It's primarily about song writing and sounds, creating musical and sonic atmospheres. If you want virtuosity, listen to classical music. There it has a rightful place, for the repertoire demands a minimum of technical competence, and the standards are quite high. My guess is that Andy McKay contributed a lot more in terms of song writing, production and engineering than we know (didn't he write an authoritative book on electronic music?). If his only contribution had been his sax playing, he could have easily been replaced. My experience suggests that people in any sort of successful collaboration only survive if they are deemed indispensable. There are many, many slick sax players out there. My guess is that he contributed far more than his sax playing. His efforts may, however, have been eclipsed by any divas in the band. Mind you, I don't mean to imply there were necessarily any divas in the band, but you never know. Of course, cemeteries are full of indispensable people. But what do I know? Andrew stevesiren wrote: > Agreed David, I've always believed that AM's sax work has been sadly undervalued > > by the music press. Strangely though, I've always considered his best work to be > on Mott the Hoople's "Mott" album. > Mel Collins was certainly impressive live, but can he duckwalk? > Steve > > David Firmin wrote: > > > Since we're back on the subject of RM/BF > > > > Who do you think was the more accomplished Sax player - Andy Mackay or Mel > > Collins? > > > > Mel performed on Ferry's: In Your Mind, Let's Stick Together, Bride Stripped > > Bare, Taxi > > And these Manzo projects: Listen/Now, K Scope > > > > also, Some Girls by The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Alan Parsons Project. > > > > I was just curious. People have downplayed Andy's sax playing for years... > > > > -- > > Andy Mackay, Roxy Music, Rock Follies, The Explorers > > http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/roxymusic.html > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:56:00 -0500 From: ganymede.zeus@verizon.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Wants To Be a Millionaire? hahaha Daniel. Daniel Atterbom wrote: > In todays show of Who Wants To Be a Millionaire? on Swedish TV, channel 4, > the question for the 40,000 Sek (about $ 4,000) was: > > What 1970's band was fronted by Bryan Ferry? > A. Sweet. > B. Roxy Music. > C. Black Sabbath. > D. Led Zeppelin. > > The contestant was a young mother of a six month old child - the name > escapes me - who wanted to marry the father. She needed the 40,000 Sek and > had already used a lifeline (if that's the correct English word). So she > called her fiancee, who like all five people she had given, is called > Martin. "He wants to contribute to our wedding" she said. > > Martin answered B. Roxy Music. > > But the young mother could not answer the next question for 80,000 Sek > (about $ 8,000) what the Swedish taxpayers' magazine is called, it's Common > sense for the record. She kept the 40,000 Sek (about $ 4,000) and got her > wedding. > > My wife said that if I ever did anything like that she would divorce me. > And if she ever is on TV, which is unlikely, and called me with a stupid > question I should divorce her. > > Daniel > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:58:53 -0500 From: ganymede.zeus@verizon.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] 32 Songs No, Max Weinberg wouldn't do. Any drummer who backs Roxy has to be able to play a mezzo-forte beat with subtle high hat and rimshots. MW is too overbearing. He'd have to be taught the meaning of the word "dynamics", which may not be possible at his advanced age. Andrew Peter Dewey wrote: > Lurking too long > > If you average 4 to 5 (ie 4 1/2) mins per tune, that'd be 144 mins, or a > little under 2 1/2 hours. Possible, I suppose. I think Statto should > give us the longest and shortest setlists, assuming 4 songs per album > and I suppose you'd have to include the non-album releases, ie VP, > Pyjamas and J Guy. > > Why not Max Weinberg on the skins? He's used to 3 3/4 hour sets (as I > saw 1.7.00 in MSG!) > > NP Elvis, That's The Way It Is, with Walk A Mile In My Shoes and Are You > Lonesome Tonight? marvellous stuff. > -- > Peter Dewey > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:13:34 -0500 From: ganymede.zeus@verizon.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent Ted Nugent. For the record, Ted Nugent claimed that his first sexual experience was with another guy. This was in "Creem" magazine at some point in the 70's. The interviewer replied: "Uh oh, there go the fans." Ted replied: "It's ok, they'll understand." Would the independently minded "Damn Yankee" Republican repeat this sensitive fact about his development today? Doubtful. It's nice to know his first "Wango Tango" was with a sympathetic bloke. I wonder: was Ted a top or a bottom? Interesting historical fact: The National Parks system in the USA was founded by Pres. Theo. Roosevelt (R). Why? He loved hunting and for that reason thought vast tracts of wilderness should be preserved. What an odd combination for today's world. He would be both an NRA member and a tree hugger. He also voluntarily stepped down from office after one term b/c he didn't believe anyone should serve more than that. Finally, he waged war against what he called "the malefactors of big industry" by supporting many anti-trust suits against various magnates and robber barons. That was in the days when being a Republican meant something different apparently. Honest Abe was also a member. The one who emancipated the slaves..you know. democratically yours Andrew Pete Kohut wrote: > Guy, your response was well reasoned, and yes I agree. I'm not for outlawing > hunting. I'm an unabashed utopian dreamer who likes to think we can evolve > from this practice. Like your fellow countryman John Lennon (RIP) I know I'm > not alone. When Ted Nugent says he is an avid hunter I'm not not surprised. > When Bryan supports such causes I am. Likewise I wasn't impressed with Bryan's > rationale. I expected something more convincing from Mr. Ferry. It is obvious > I expect too much... at least Ted Nugent has the courage of his convictions. > He wouldn't back off of a march supporting his cause. He wouldn't shriek back > and hope the subject goes away. The backgound on these struggles in your > country was useful and gives me new insight. The 51st state remark certainly > shows your sense of humor. Well I have to go because they are playing our tune > by the pale moon and I'm running out of time. I hope it doesn't seem so funny > for a fool to cry < > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]BF is no Ted Nugent On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 ganymede.zeus@verizon.net wrote: > hunting and for that reason thought vast tracts of wilderness should > be preserved. What an odd combination for today's world. He would be > both an NRA member and a tree hugger. He also voluntarily stepped > down from office after one term b/c he didn't believe anyone should > serve more than that. Finally, he waged war against what he called Actually, TR became president in 1901, following the assassination of William McKinley. He stood for re-election in 1904, and won, and served a full second term, leaving office in 1909. In 1912 he ran again (and lost) for a third term as president on the Bull Moose ticket. TR held many seemingly conflicting positions on issues. However, he was a politician during a time when politicians (and popular entertainers, bringing this back on topic) weren't coached extensively on only thinking thoughts that would never offend anyone and would therefore have a negative effect on sales, erm votes. Colleen (who, as the resident historian, I has to stick up for Theodore Roosevelt, Man of Action, as the children's bio of him I have is titled) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:49:20 +1100 From: "S Clarke" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Deadly Finns Speaking of Mental Notes, on a visit to New Zealand I came across the original cover artwork by Philip Judd hanging in the Te Papa museum in Wellington. A wonderful surprise. I discovered that the cracks in the sky (top right-hand corner) are real cracks. I had always thought they were painted. Split Enz were a fave of mine back in the Sevs. I especially loved their live shows. Believe it or not they supported Lou Reed on his 1975 Oz tour. Shelley in the Antipodes - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Firmin To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 3:37 AM Subject: [AVALON] Two Deadly Finns > In 1975 Split Enz caught the attention of Phil Manzanera who offered to help > the band with their next album; they arranged to meet him in England to redo > Mental Notes. In April of 1976, Split Enz joined up with Manzanera in > England and signed to Chrysalis for worldwide distribution. Crowded House > formed in 1985 when Neil Finn dissolved Split Enz rather than carry on after > his brother Tim, the group's founding member, left to pursue a solo career. > > Tin and/or Neil were guests on these Manzo projects: > Listen/Now, K Scope, Southern Cross, and others... > > Also see link: > http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/finns.jpg > > No connection to the Finn bros, but a great Eno single! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #85 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest