From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #78 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. ["David Squires " ] [AVALON] Where Avalonian's Dare ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Happy Monday! ["Reecey" ] Re: [AVALON] UP your Glittery Harris ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Carry Aval-On ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Carry Aval-On [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Where Avalonian's Dare ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] move your Harris [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. ["tmoq" ] Re[2]: [AVALON] move your Harris [M Gus ] RE: Re[2]: [AVALON] move your Harris [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Auf Wiedersehen [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Eno at The Rolling Stone Web site [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] paranoia [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] jfroxy's Toast [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] paranoia [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] One rule for one..... [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] Here Come the Warm Jets [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] One rule for one..... [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland [KWil632057@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:32:25 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. On 26 Feb 2001, at 10:02, C.H.Soetemann wrote: > I appreciate Brian Eno's honesty, but I wonder whether this will > affect his relationship with the others. Maybe he doesn't care, or > he's able to separate those things, I don't know. He'll speak his mind and has nothing to loose by so doing. He doesn't need Roxy Music any more and has done pretty well for himself since leaving in 1973. If Eno's a "chancer" at least he's taken his chances. He's worked with a wide range of people and has _consistently_ produced continually intriguing work. (However, "Neroli" isn't the best IMHO!) I generally find what he has to say interesting, even when I don't agree. The smuggling of samples from "Roxy Music" onto "Mamouna" was very sweet - whoever was responsible! It could be said Bryan blew his chances in the mid 1980's, becoming lost in the mire of options offered by the modern recording studio, working alone without anyone strong to bounce ideas off, losing that feel he always seemed to have. The ATGB tour was in many ways a near-miraculous and totally unexpected come-back. This and the re- formed Roxy Music are essentially autumnal, valedictory projects. Fun, but not absolutely essential in the way Ferry's and Roxy Music's work once was. The new album will be a much better yardstick with which to judge where Bryan currently is - despite the fact that much of this material has been hanging around for years. And I'll be pleasantly shocked if we get it in October ("another compilation first, then the Roxy Music live album..."). Lots of ill-tempered playground taunting about Eno in recent posts. It was 1973, chaps. Let it go! David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:02:58 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Happy Monday! Blimey, that was a hot weekend! I've just been through all the posts since Friday evening. Makes for heavy going first thing on a Monday. For the record: I like Eno. He's a very clever man, and he's the first to admit that he's not a musician (as is normally perceived). What he is good at though is generating ideas, focussing musicians, he has a good creative working process as a producer which stops the artist from churning out stodgy crap. I admire his work with U2, James, Talking Heads and Bowie. I also thoroughly enjoyed his book "A Year With Swollen Appendices" - a very funny man with some incredible ideas. It wouldn't do for every one to be the same though. He is a very important part of the Roxy story, but I wouldn't want him on the reunion tour. Yes - I like U2, have done for a long time and I'll be happy to see them get the Lifetime Achievement Award at the Brits tonight. I do think their best work is behind them though. Drummers - Ringo was the right man for the job. Evidence? Just listen to Old Brown Shoe (1969 b-side to Ballad Of John And Yoko). His drumming on that track alone is simply outstanding, and The Thrill Of It All is a similar example of how TGPT was/is the right man for the job. Keith Moon in his prime was incredible, unfortunately his "lifestyle" overtook his gift. But can you imagine Substitute, Happy Jack or Boris The Spider with any other drummer. A true one off. And what about Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker? Politics..... let's leave it alone. My generation is more prone to apathy, especially when people drone on about stuff. I blame the Tories myself......;-) Thatcher The Milk Snatcher ruined my childhood! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:11:09 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Where Avalonian's Dare >>> "Reecey" 02/25 12:05 am >>> >Stevesiren will be played by David Niven in the film. >Johnny Reece will be played by Kenneth More. Can I have Donald Pleasance playing me? Ivor Canning will be played by Richard Harris, Chris Turner by Richard Burton and I nominate Clint Eastwood to play Andrew Shearer. He has to provide his own shades though. Actually, was that on BBC1 last night? "Where Avalonian's Dare"? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:51:52 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Happy Monday! Simon says... >> I like Eno. He's a very clever man, and he's the first to admit that he's not a musician (as is normally perceived).>> I remember being terribly angry in July 73, buying the NME and seeing the news of Eno's departure on the front page headline "What Gives With Roxy" ? (I still have those music papers !)- and I immediately blamed Ferry. My 15 year old brain was extremely annoyed with him (though not as annoyed when I heard 'You Are My Sunshine' a year later). Eno was my favourite then, you see. There was something quite magical/strange/weird about him, and no-one could be quite sure exactly what he did. No other group had an Eno. >>He is a very important part of the Roxy story, but I wouldn't want him on the reunion tour.>> Totally agree, he's moved on to other/different things, different directions. Maybe his comments are a little 'dig' at BF 28 years on. He certainly had a swipe at the time (Dead Finks Don't Talk containing a rather impressive Ferry impersonation) and the initials 'BF' matching 'Blank Frank' was more than a coincidence, I always thought. Always amused me, that. >>. Drummers - Ringo was the right man for the job>> Definitely. And, whilst The Police were never massive faves of mine, I do think Copeland is a master of the sticks, don't think he's got a mention thus far. >> Politics..... let's leave it alone. My generation is more prone to apathy, especially when people drone on about stuff>> Hear, hear. I know it conjures up great feeling in a great deal of people, but I tend to fall in the apathy camp too. 'Droning on and on' is how I feel, and usually switch for the off button. Remember all that 'red wedge' stuff in the 80s ? Bad to mix Politics/Music, and it filled the music press at the time with people wearing berets and badges, and thinking they were Che, even though they were from Peckham. Dull ! Personally, I don't vote, though I have never forgiven the Labour Govt for the power cuts in 1973, as many a time I was in the throes of FYP when everything went black.... A young teenage lad doesn't forgive things like that. Enough already ! However, Eno's 'bad taste in the mouth' comment does have some sense to it - loads of artists have done this sort of thing, and even I, one of the most staunch Roxy-ites, had that twinge of doubt about it all too. Probably because ATGB tour was so good, and of course, I want them to be brill, nothing less - which means they'll have to be one whole lot better than the Avalon tour - I still can't watch 'The High Road' without thinking 'who are all these bloody people - get off the stage and give me Roxy Music' ! Mind you, if Eno did turn up just to twiddle during 'The Bob' I for one wouldn't complain. Would the peacock jacket still fit ? Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:59:05 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] UP your Glittery Harris What a pathetic retelling of the glam story that was. Factually incorrect, contradictory and the biggest gloss over story I 've ever heard. And were the Rubettes ever glam? I noticed on the (high speed) end credits that there was no writer named, and the programme itself was made by a company who specialize in sports programmes. Nuff said. And to think I wasted tape on this steaming pile of silver space suits! I've never liked Whispering Bob anyway. And this also proves that he DIDN'T present the 1972 BBC Radio In Concert show, otherwise he wouldn't have said how much he was looking forward to it. Give me Peely any day! SimonG up yer Gary! >>> stevesiren 02/25 10:39 pm >>> On Channel 5's (UK) programme tonight about glam & glitter Bob Harris said he hated Roxy Music with a "passion" I'm sorry Bob but criticism only hurts when it comes from somone you respect. Steve (how about Celia Johnson to play Joycelyn.?,,,,.terribly terribly nice) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:12:37 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] move your Harris And the reason Whispering Bob hated Roxy was " Ferry's attitude to his audience, he thought he just had to crook his little finger and they would do his bidding, he thought he was that good. I just HATED them". But in a programme where Mud, and even The Rubettes were heralded as getting it right, thank God Roxy got it so mercifully wrong (I've always had a problem with Roxy being lumped into the whole idea of "Glam Rock" anyway). I neglected to see the credit for researcher on the programme - any ideas? Celia (practising her Chance Meeting via Brief Encounter) - -----Original Message----- From: stevesiren [mailto:stevesiren@netscapeonline.co.uk] Sent: 25 February 2001 22:39 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: [AVALON] move your Harris On Channel 5's (UK) programme tonight about glam & glitter Bob Harris said he hated Roxy Music with a "passion" I'm sorry Bob but criticism only hurts when it comes from somone you respect. SteveI've always had a problem with Roxy being lumped into the whole idea of "Glam Rock" anyway (how about Celia Johnson to play Joycelyn.?,,,,.terribly terribly nice) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:26:43 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Carry Aval-On Leslie Phillips as Martin Stockman. >>> "Simon Galloway" 02/26 10:11 am >>> >>> "Reecey" 02/25 12:05 am >>> >Stevesiren will be played by David Niven in the film. >Johnny Reece will be played by Kenneth More. Can I have Donald Pleasance playing me? Ivor Canning will be played by Richard Harris, Chris Turner by Richard Burton and I nominate Clint Eastwood to play Andrew Shearer. He has to provide his own shades though. Actually, was that on BBC1 last night? "Where Avalonian's Dare"? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:29:57 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Carry Aval-On Martin Stockman IS Leslie Phillips. Ding!Dong! - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [mailto:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] Sent: 26 February 2001 11:27 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Carry Aval-On Leslie Phillips as Martin Stockman. >>> "Simon Galloway" 02/26 10:11 am >>> >>> "Reecey" 02/25 12:05 am >>> >Stevesiren will be played by David Niven in the film. >Johnny Reece will be played by Kenneth More. Can I have Donald Pleasance playing me? Ivor Canning will be played by Richard Harris, Chris Turner by Richard Burton and I nominate Clint Eastwood to play Andrew Shearer. He has to provide his own shades though. Actually, was that on BBC1 last night? "Where Avalonian's Dare"? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:40:33 -0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Where Avalonian's Dare Actually I wanted Martin to ask BF at the Press Conference "where's those sunglasses! A >From: "Simon Galloway" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Where Avalonian's Dare >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:11:09 +0000 > > >>> "Reecey" 02/25 12:05 am >>> > >Stevesiren will be played by David Niven in the film. > >Johnny Reece will be played by Kenneth More. > >Can I have Donald Pleasance playing me? Ivor Canning will be played by >Richard Harris, Chris Turner by Richard Burton and I nominate Clint >Eastwood to play Andrew Shearer. He has to provide his own shades though. > >Actually, was that on BBC1 last night? "Where Avalonian's Dare"? > >SimonG > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:46:43 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON] New Town - Synth - SAX >>> 02/24 3:31 am >>> >.....as mentioned follows the tour without a sax or horn >player. Does any one have any insight to how this all came about? >It has always puzzled me. Puzzle no longer! There was no sax player on this tour because there wasn't enough room on the tour bus! It was the hairstyles and various costumes of Jeff Thall, Michelle Cobbs, Ednah Holt and Yanick Etienne that were taking up all the room. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:04:58 -0500 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Happy Monday! Mr. Reecey wrote on "that" political issue: .............'Droning on and on' is how I feel, and usually switch for the off button. Remember all that 'red wedge' stuff in the 80s ? Bad to mix Politics/Music, ............ <><><><><><><><> I agree whole heartily . Although there are some bands that have been able to carry off the political message, if they made it a career it became tiresome over time. "Never got it off on the revolution stuff, Too many snags, What a drag". Mott by way of Bowie ) Thankfully Ferry & Roxy, wisely never made an effort to head in that direction. ( Some of Phil's solo work excluded ) So at this stage of the game, as in the past, I look to them for my musical and not political tastes and satisfactions. Regards John D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reecey" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Happy Monday! > Simon says... > >> I like Eno. He's a very clever man, and he's the first to admit that he's > not a musician (as is normally perceived).>> > > I remember being terribly angry in July 73, buying the NME and seeing the > news of Eno's departure on the front page headline "What Gives With Roxy" ? > (I still have those music papers !)- and I immediately blamed Ferry. My 15 > year old brain was extremely annoyed with him (though not as annoyed when I > heard 'You Are My Sunshine' a year later). Eno was my favourite then, you > see. There was something quite magical/strange/weird about him, and no-one > could be quite sure exactly what he did. No other group had an Eno. > > >>He is a very important part of the Roxy story, but I wouldn't want him on > the reunion tour.>> > > Totally agree, he's moved on to other/different things, different > directions. Maybe his comments are a little 'dig' at BF 28 years on. He > certainly had a swipe at the time (Dead Finks Don't Talk containing a rather > impressive Ferry impersonation) and the initials 'BF' matching 'Blank Frank' > was more than a coincidence, I always thought. > Always amused me, that. > > >>. Drummers - Ringo was the right man for the job>> > > Definitely. And, whilst The Police were never massive faves of mine, I do > think Copeland is a master of the sticks, don't think he's got a mention > thus far. > > >> Politics..... let's leave it alone. My generation is more prone to > apathy, especially when people drone on about stuff>> > > Hear, hear. I know it conjures up great feeling in a great deal of people, > but I tend to fall in the apathy camp too. 'Droning on and on' is how I > feel, and usually switch for the off button. Remember all that 'red wedge' > stuff in the 80s ? Bad to mix Politics/Music, and it filled the music press > at the time with people wearing berets and badges, and thinking they were > Che, even though they were from Peckham. Dull ! Personally, I don't vote, > though I have never forgiven the Labour Govt for the power cuts in 1973, as > many a time I was in the throes of FYP when everything went black.... > A young teenage lad doesn't forgive things like that. > Enough already ! > > However, Eno's 'bad taste in the mouth' comment does have some sense to it - > loads of artists have done this sort of thing, and even I, one of the most > staunch Roxy-ites, had that twinge of doubt about it all too. > Probably because ATGB tour was so good, and of course, I want them to be > brill, nothing less - which means they'll have to be one whole lot better > than the Avalon tour - I still can't watch 'The High Road' without thinking > 'who are all these bloody people - get off the stage and give me Roxy Music' > ! Mind you, if Eno did turn up just to twiddle during 'The Bob' I for one > wouldn't complain. > Would the peacock jacket still fit ? > > Reecey... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:52:12 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. >He never was and never will be fit to be compared to Ferry when it comes to creativity. How do you measure creativity Tom? Purely in a musical measure? Try reading Eno's book (diary) called A Year with Swollen Appendices. It illustrates a man simply bursting with ideas on a daily level, a man driven to put theses ideas into practise on a daily basis. A man who totally admits he's a hypochondriac but between bouts of illness (both imagined and real) never stops questioning everything around him and looking at the world in a way few of us have the imagination or energy to see through. By the time I'd reached May 21st in the book I was totally exhausted. And not a little ashamed. Ashamed that I let days go by having good ideas (creative thoughts) and doing bugger all about them. That book changed my outlook on life, made me get off my arse, stop making excuses and do something about it. Maybe if Mr F had read it he would be producing and releasing more than one studio album of new material once every 5-7 years. I don't feel the need to compare Eno and Ferry on any level. They are entirely different types of artists (and I don't just mean musically or painterly). I can't imagine Ferry putting cash behind creating a school of experimental music in St Petersburg anymore than I could imagine Eno ever stepping foot back on stage again - and anyone who did their homework would know what a fatuous idea Eno joining the Roxy reunion live is anyway. I understand Tom that you prefer Wor Bry to The Shiny Domed One and that's fine, but come on mate, credit where credit's due. And as for you JF, pack it up with the xenophobia, you're getting us JF's a bad name!!! The Real JF Before anybody starts bleating about his work with U2 lets set the record straight. A big percentage of their attraction come from the fact of where they come from and has sod all to do with quality of the music they perform. So what if they sell a lot of records, so does Brittany Spiers and the Backstreet Boys and I doubt if anybody who is sane would say that they are creating anything that is worthy of the ward artistic. In Scotland we have a very good description for the Eno's of the world, we call them "CHANCERS". Some of these guys end up sweeping the streets and others get adopted by the arty brigade and end up being lauded as something special. Well I hate to rain on their parade, but Eno is nothing more than a mediocre talent, and I for one an quite glad that he's not taking part in the Roxy reunion. If the band do end up in the studio I still don't see any great plus in having him involved. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:01:47 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] move your Harris On behalf of the younger viewers: Who the bloody hell is Bob Harris? Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:53:18 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. - -----Original Message----- From: C.H.Soetemann To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. (snip) >It may be a bit of a truism but >the notes you don't play are as important as the ones you play. There is a >good quote of Fripp on Eno, whom he called his favourite synth player, >"because he uses his ears, not his fingers". Bowie has simular observations of Eno stating once that whenever he (Eno) got a new piece of equipment the first thing he did was throw the manual away and figured it out himself. . >Eno has recorded many wonderful >albums - at any rate, that's what I think, others might as well doze off. >But actually, whether Eno's music is any good or not is not the point here, >is it? It's more his depreciating comment on the reunion, which he of course >is free to give - although I was a bit disappointed that he communicated it >to the media rather than the band, especially since Eno and Ferry seemed to >have established a better relationship during the 90s. It was clear from the >outset he was not going to participate in the live shows, but I retained a >faint hope of him contributing if studio sessions were to take place. In an interview posted to the Eno news group some years ago he claimed to have viewed the news group baring his name and was "mortified" that people were still discussing Tiger Mountian and Warm Jets and he never viewed it again. Some people took it an arrogance, but I think Eno is a shy, private person who doesn`t dwell on the past and is happy just lurking in the background these days. He had his moment in the spotlight and really didn`t like it. Say what you want about him, but he still makes music for himself and produces bands with true talent. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:26:04 +0100 From: M Gus Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] move your Harris >Who the bloody hell is Bob Harris? I didn't dare to ask... Anonymous - --- "My mother? Let me tell you bout my mother."-Leon (BladeRunner) http://www.cs.vu.nl/~gagussek gagussek@cs.vu.nl - --- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:37:58 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AVALON] move your Harris If you've seen those strange creatures who invaded earth in Mars Attacks, they are all Bob Harris. His more earthly incarnation was as presenter to The Old Grey Whistle Test in the 70's and 80's where he never failed to have a snipe at Roxy (his producers insisted they appear). Now if any of you young 'uns ask what's The Old Grey Whistle Test....... - -----Original Message----- From: M Gus [mailto:gusart@casema.net] Sent: 26 February 2001 13:26 To: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] move your Harris >Who the bloody hell is Bob Harris? I didn't dare to ask... Anonymous - --- "My mother? Let me tell you bout my mother."-Leon (BladeRunner) http://www.cs.vu.nl/~gagussek gagussek@cs.vu.nl - --- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:44:30 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] jfroxy's Toast Hey, Avalonians! Wake Up!! Is the damnable discharge of RACIAL SLURS really considered acceptable behavior? Two days away, I came home to read the slur and more than 100 postings since froxy assaulted Julia, her countrymen, and all other persons worldwide that find the dross of hatred offensive only to read that Dan, Colleen, and Julia wrote to denounce froxy's rancor. Is this the future of the list? Are we willing subjects of prejudiced supremacy based on nation, creed or color? froxy is totally offensive - words cannot describe the level of disgust he has earned. Do you feel good about this? Speak up! Or move to Borneo. K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:54:52 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Auf Wiedersehen Dear Julia: Please reconsider your decision about leaving the list. I know you've been through a rough time lately, and I can understand your impulse to leave the list thereby distancing yourself from the insensible abuse that has been heaped upon you. Obviously there are some members who don't know how to civilly and effectively cope with an individual, such as yourself, who is opinionated, confident, and thoughtful. I feel the list is the loser here, should you decide to leave. I implore you to stay with us, your input is important. We can not let insensitive posters drive away other well-meaning contributors. They will ruin the list - and for what? Please stay and remain active. Thank you. K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:02:12 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno at The Rolling Stone Web site Dear Rod: Thank you for including a copy of Rolling Stone's interview with Eno. ["I wanted to create music as an architectural condition," Eno told a press gathering at the museum.] Music as an architectural condition - sounds fascinating. Hope it comes to an airport sometime soon, it would be nice to vegetate during a layover. I'd like to hear his work in the chapel. Ambient, indeed. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:11:20 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs) Once again, Neil asks: Is it safe? :^# < On the other hand Diane, as you have so many of these tickets.......where do you live, and when will out be out? Enjoy the show(s) Neil Jones > ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:20:50 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland "These bands are liked throughout the world by many because of their music and not their nationality." Right On, Kate! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:29:47 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] paranoia "All your troubles come from yourself, nobody hurts you, they don't care, as the saying goes." Tell that to the survivors of war. Besides, the above is an oxymoron. How can anyone hurt you, if they don't care? Or is it, they don't care, so why should you. Or, is it, because you care you hurt. Perhaps, psycho killers don't care. Etc. Etc. Let's be reasonable: K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:04:13 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. In a message dated 26/02/01 13:12:35 GMT Standard Time, Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com writes: > <> That'll be right! "JF" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:09:00 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] jfroxy's Toast In a message dated 26/02/01 13:58:16 GMT Standard Time, kbporte@attglobal.net writes: > < cannot describe the level of disgust he has earned. > > Do you feel good about this? Speak up! Or move to Borneo.>> Froxy? calm down before you fall down, it would seem you are the one doing name calling, not me. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:54:43 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] paranoia Can anybody else think of Roxy/Ferry lyrics that make no bloody sense? Jonathan (Clue: All of them) In a message dated 26/02/01 14:39:48 GMT Standard Time, kbporte@attglobal.net writes: > smoe.org > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > > > "All your troubles come from yourself, nobody hurts you, they don't > care, as > the saying goes." > > Tell that to the survivors of war. Besides, the above is an oxymoron. > How can anyone hurt you, if they don't care? Or is it, they don't care, > so why should you. Or, is it, because you care you hurt. Perhaps, > psycho killers don't care. Etc. Etc. > > Let's be reasonable: ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:15:00 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland It seems that Kate has taken my side view on U2 and Eno's work with them to heart. I stand by my views on U2, though it was intended more to head off any postings trying to validate Eno's over blown and in my view largely undeserved reputation. As for the comment on U2 being successful because they are Irish, it was meant along the lines that Dublin has enjoyed a reputation for being the place to be, if she takes that as a "misinformed attack" on her homeland then that's her problem not mine. In north America there is an especially active Irish population who by and large to tend to lend their support to people from their former home land. I suspect a similar situation has helped The Corrs with their success as well. Guess what I really don't like them either, but that has nothing to do with where they're from.Btw, I've heard all of the U2 albums and haven't liked any and that is my right, Bono's singing tends to give me a headache. If Kate has taken a political view from my comments then that's up to her, though none was included by myself. Lets face it Jimmy Shand sold millions of records because of the people of Scottish ancestry who now live in north America Personally I couldn't care less about U2 as I just don't like the music they perform, likewise as the years have passed I've liked less and less of Eno's output. As for David's "Leave it, Kate, he's not worth it!" comment, if you have a problem speak up. It would seem from your comment that you know me which is strange as I have no recollection of meeting or exchanging any e-mails with you in the past. If you have taken some darker meaning from my comments on U2 and their audience that's up to you. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:31:43 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] One rule for one..... Wait a minute, I feel I need to say a few things in my defence here before anybody else gets over exited and sticks their oar in. Didn't someone on this list (an American) a few weeks ago refer to the British as "pale skinned, yellow teethed Limey's"? I didn't see anybody getting upset about that, yet when I call someone "Fritz" (which wasn't a personal attack), the whole PC brigade goes bonkers, that would be like me being offended if someone called me "Jock," hardly xenophobic, is it? As for you Jocelyn (the other JF), you seem to have changed your tune, didn't we discuss certain things about this list, only last weekend, and both agreed......well you know what we said.....anyway, why does everybody have to be so fuckin' cordial? JF (waiting for the verdict from the kangaroo court) oops I better watch I don't offend any Australians on the list. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:56:11 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Here Come the Warm Jets With all this Eno bashing, why hasn't anyone mentioned that Eno had the best solo album of any Roxy member? It was ten years ahead of its time. I'm sure the majority of the people on this list have never heard "Here Come the Warm Jets" but, that's what Roxy would have sounded like had Eno stayed. Check it out. Line-up includes: Phil Manzanera, John Wetton, Chris Spedding, Robert Fripp, Bill MacCormick, Andy MacKay, Paul Thompson, etc. The only one missing is Ferry. Big deal... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:01:02 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland What you are saying about U2 is 100% correct Tom, put it this way, if they were Welsh do you think they would have been anywhere near as popular? No, neither do I. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:00:42 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] One rule for one..... Although I may have been hardly one to talk in the past JF, its called 'manners'. Jonathan In a message dated 26/02/01 18:49:07 GMT Standard Time, JFROXY@aol.com writes: > anyway, why does everybody have to > be so fuckin' cordial? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:32:39 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I am no fan of U2 but for Heavens sake!! Yes, to a degree they used their Irish heritage in their music but that is because they are Irish. They are not popular because they are Irish but because they have written and performed some great songs that have been well recieved. If they were Welsh they would have been the Manic Street Preachers... Jonathan 80) In a message dated 26/02/01 19:26:02 GMT Standard Time, JFROXY@aol.com writes: What you are saying about U2 is 100% correct Tom, put it this way, if they > were Welsh do you think they would have been anywhere near as popular? No, > neither do I. > > JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #78 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest