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avalon-digest        Monday, February 26 2001        Volume 06 : Number 077



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [AVALON] solo plans                                 [Jimlan801@aol.com]
  Re: SV: [AVALON] What's in a name                       [Jimlan801@aol.com]
  [AVALON] U.S. Dates                                    [ASchulberg@aol.com]
  [AVALON] [Avalon]Drummer and eno threads   ["Pete Kohut" <petek01@msn.com>]
  Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs)  ["ncjones.lewis2" <ncjones.lewis2@n]
  [AVALON] move your Harris    [stevesiren <stevesiren@netscapeonline.co.uk>]
  [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland            ["Kate Maley" <katemaley@hotmail.com>]
  Re: [AVALON] paranoia                                   [Jimlan801@aol.com]
  Re: [AVALON] Re: Tours               ["S Clarke" <mercury3@ozemail.com.au>]
  Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap.              [Colleen Matan <cjem@his.com>]
  Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs)  ["David Squires " <dsquires@nildram]
  Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland   ["David Squires " <dsquires@nildram.co.uk>]
  Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap.  ["C.H.Soetemann" <soeteman@uni-bremen.de>]

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:54:44 EST
From: Jimlan801@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] solo plans

i can't really argue with any thing julialiva says about how BF is 
orchestrating his career moves. all i would say is that he can reform roxy if 
he likes. he can do anything he likes, and the exact sum of what he does is 
him. it's his career; he makes it and we follow it. 


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:54:45 EST
From: Jimlan801@aol.com
Subject: Re: SV: [AVALON] What's in a name

Ian Macdonald is Ian MacCormick(back-up voices on Mainstream). He is Bill 
MacCormick's brother, and uses the alternative surname, at least as the 
writer of Revolution in the Head. There are a few other Ian Macdonalds 
around. Old Malcolm MacCormick was a footballer who later had a farm. Big 
Macs all. 


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:57:58 EST
From: ASchulberg@aol.com
Subject: [AVALON] U.S. Dates

Just getting back onlist and wondering, any information yet on the U.S. dates 
and venues?

Arnie


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:59:36 -0800
From: "Pete Kohut" <petek01@msn.com>
Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon]Drummer and eno threads

As far as the drummer thread, how about Mick Fleetwood's importance to
Fleetwood Mac. I mean there wouldn't be a Fleetwood Mac without him, would
there? I wouldn't be surprised if they go with Steve Ferrone, as he is the
much more accomplished drummer and his work on Taxi and Mamouna recordings
were very tight. If sentiment wins out then it is Paul Thompson; as for anti
Eno comments, it sounds like a lot of sour grapes, considering Eno is
receiving all the accolades lately. Any one who thinks Eno is the better
songwriter though, ought to have their head examined IMO. <<br
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:13:37 -0000
From: "ncjones.lewis2" <ncjones.lewis2@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs)

Diane, sorry but the meaning of my reply did not come over at all well.  I
referred to David Squires comment about his tickets and my desire was to
"borrow" them if he should go out (after re-reading your post David, I see
you live in Norfolk, ahhh!,) assuming of course that he has not lost them
yet!

On the other hand Diane, as you have so many of these tickets.......where do
you live, and when will out be out?

Enjoy the show(s)
Neil Jones

- ----- Original Message -----
From: diane whateley <d.whateley@lycos.com>
To: <avalon@smoe.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs)


> Where I live is not really relevant as I am going to several of the gigs.
Ticketline will issue the tickets 6 to 8 weeks before the actual date of the
gig. That means that say for Wembley, they will be sent out some time at the
end of April/beginnng of May.
> Cheers, Diane
> --
>
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:45:52
>  ncjones.lewis2 wrote:
> >Where do you live, and when will out be out?
> >Regards
> >Neil Jones
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: David Squires <dsquires@nildram.co.uk>
> >To: <avalon@smoe.org>
> >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs)
> >
> >
> >> On 23 Feb 2001, at 19:54, diane whateley wrote:
> >>
> >> > As I was getting worried, not having received my priceless tickets
> >> > to various of the gigs, I called Ticketline. I was informed that
> >> > the tickets will not be sent out until 6-8 weeks before the date in
> >> > question. Interestingly, credit cards are dedited 3-4 days after
> >> > the ticket is booked....!! Just thought I'd share that  nugget of
> >> > info with you   all.
> >>
> >> I managed to get mine direct from the venue (Nottingham) and they're
> >> sitting next to the monitor in front of me...
> >>
> >> David (not at all smug - plenty of time for me to lose them!)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:39:13 +0000
From: stevesiren <stevesiren@netscapeonline.co.uk>
Subject: [AVALON] move your Harris

On Channel 5's (UK) programme tonight about glam & glitter Bob Harris
said he hated Roxy Music with a "passion"
I'm sorry Bob but criticism only hurts when it comes from somone you
respect.
Steve
(how about Celia Johnson to play Joycelyn.?,,,,.terribly terribly nice)


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:05:31 -0000
From: "Kate Maley" <katemaley@hotmail.com>
Subject: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland

In a message dated 24/02/01 19:30:40 GMT Standard Time, 
thom.wallace@ntlworld.com writes:


><< Brian Eno has apparently told 'Rolling Stone' that the Reunion leaves a
>bad
>  taste in his mouth.  >>
>It certainly speaks for Eno that he did not join; proofs he's more
interested
>in artistic steps rather than commercial ones.


<There is a lot of myth about the genius of Mr Eno, and myth it truly <is. 
He
<never was and never will be fit to be compared to Ferry when it comes to
<creativity. Before anybody starts bleating about his work with U2 lets <set
<the record straight. A big percentage of their attraction come from the 
<fact
<of where they come from and has sod all to do with quality of the music 
<they
<perform.


Why did you start the U2 thread here when no-one was talking about U2?Can 
you back up your statement that the biggest percentage, which incidentally 
is several million records, are only bought because the band come from 
Ireland. U2 are simply a rock band, they do not play traditional Irish 
music,anymore than Bryan Ferry writes and performs traditional English 
Morris Dancing music. Therefore I can't see that their Irishness is the 
attraction in U2. I have lived in Croydon for 11 years but I was born and 
brought up on the outskirts of Dublin.I resent your post very much to the 
point that it has taken me from my lurking postion on this list to reply to 
this undignified misinformed attack on my homeland.
I like several bands from your part of the world. Simple Minds, Travis, Big 
country, Alex Harvey to name but a few. As much as I like your fine country 
I didn't listen to these bands for any Scottish connection. These bands are 
liked throughout the world by many because of their music and not their 
nationality.


<So what if they sell a lot of records, so does Brittany Spiers <and
<the Backstreet Boys and I doubt if anybody who is sane would say that <they
<are creating anything that is worthy of the ward artistic.>

Brittany and the Backstreet Boys do sell alot of records they are popular to 
a particular market, but that market differs from that of U2 and Roxy. I am 
sure there are many fans of both Roxy and U2 that have both these bands 
records in their collections.

As far as Brian Eno's involvement with U2 is far from the synthesized 
warblilngs he did with Roxy on albums like The Unforgettable Fire, The 
Joshua Tree and All That You Can't Leave Behind; to have a real measure of 
Eno's imput I suggest you listen to these albums, and compare them to other 
U2 albums without him.

Kate
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:59:36 EST
From: Jimlan801@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] paranoia

I am amazed at how angry and paranoid some folk are. Some Avalonians are 
taking serious offence at comments where none was intended by the author, as 
far as I can see. I know the real bitching is intended (and that seems 
totally daft to me too) but less offence seems to be felt then, if you see 
what I mean. 
Let's get these chips off our shoulders!
All your troubles come from yourself, nobody hurts you, they don't care, as 
the saying goes.  


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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:42:20 +1100
From: "S Clarke" <mercury3@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Tours

Bravo Terry!

What is the point of these vicious, nasty comments?

Reminds me of 2nd form at high school.

Shelley (mostly lurking)

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From: <terry.lane@rs-components.com>
To: <avalon@smoe.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Tours
> why don`t you girls fight and bitch off list ?? and keep this forum free
for
> interesting debates and Ferry/Roxy news
> Terry
>
> From: MarlanaK@webtv.net [mailto:MarlanaK@webtv.net]
> Sent: 22 February 2001 11:45
> To: Avalon@smoe.org
> Subject: [AVALON] Re: Tours
> Sorry too Colleen, I was wrong in my presumption to ever question
> anything you write.----- for whatever reason you just can't seem to get
> it.------ Marlana


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:52:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Colleen Matan <cjem@his.com>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, C.H.Soetemann wrote:

[...]

> actually, whether Eno's music is any good or not is not the point
> here, is it? It's more his depreciating comment on the reunion, which
> he of course is free to give - although I was a bit disappointed that
> he communicated it to the media rather than the band, especially since
> Eno and Ferry seemed to have established a better relationship during
> the 90s. It was clear from the outset he was not going to participate

Christian, perhaps I skimmed the post too quickly but I didn't read it
that Eno hadn't already told Ferry et. al. how he felt.  In fact, I
imagine he was probably didn't mince words with them either.

Colleen


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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:55:04 -0000
From: "David Squires " <dsquires@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs)

On 25 Feb 2001, at 22:13, ncjones.lewis2 wrote:

> Diane, sorry but the meaning of my reply did not come over at all
> well.  I referred to David Squires comment about his tickets and
> my desire was to "borrow" them if he should go out...

I see - theft!  Please be aware that you'd probably be licked to death by 
a three-legged Lurcher/Labrador/Lots of other breeds or felled by one 
of my BMX-mad boys using the stairs as a ramp!  

> (after re-reading your post David, I see you live in Norfolk,
> ahhh!,)

Actually, I often feel like Norfolk, Argghh!  I'm not from here.  As I'm 
constantly reminded...

David, sleepless in Swaffham...

- --
David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK


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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:58:00 -0000
From: "David Squires " <dsquires@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno/ U2/ Ireland

Leave it, Kate, he's not worth it!  

David
- --
David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK


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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:02:37 +0100
From: "C.H.Soetemann" <soeteman@uni-bremen.de>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap.

You're probably right, Colleen, and I haven't read either whether he talked
to the band or not - but as I've said before, he certainly wasn't consulted,
with Bryan Ferry knowing Eno doesn't like touring. So yes, I appreciate
Brian Eno's honesty, but I wonder whether this will affect his relationship
with the others. Maybe he doesn't care, or he's able to separate those
things, I don't know. 

Christian

- ----------
>Von: Colleen Matan <cjem@his.com>
>An: avalon@smoe.org
>Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap.
>Datum: Mon, 26. Feb 2001 1:52 Uhr
>

>On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, C.H.Soetemann wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> actually, whether Eno's music is any good or not is not the point
>> here, is it? It's more his depreciating comment on the reunion, which
>> he of course is free to give - although I was a bit disappointed that
>> he communicated it to the media rather than the band, especially since
>> Eno and Ferry seemed to have established a better relationship during
>> the 90s. It was clear from the outset he was not going to participate
>
>Christian, perhaps I skimmed the post too quickly but I didn't read it
>that Eno hadn't already told Ferry et. al. how he felt.  In fact, I
>imagine he was probably didn't mince words with them either.
>
>Colleen
>
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