From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #76 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, February 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt ["Philip Adams" ] Re: [AVALON] Re:"fascist"? ["David Squires " ] SV: [AVALON] What's in a name [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= ] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] solo plans [Julialiva@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. [Michael Hill ] [AVALON] Auf Wiedersehen [Julialiva@aol.com] [AVALON] Scottish Sunday Mail [OBrienFerry@aol.com] R: [AVALON] Auf Wiedersehen ENO ["danilo" ] Re: SV: [AVALON] What's in a name ["David Squires " ] [AVALON] market rage ["Niki H" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. [JFROXY@aol.com] RE[AVALON]- Gig Accomodation ["diane whateley" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] inspirations ["Niki H" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] Eno' is Enough [KRNCHSE@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] What's in a name ["David Firmin" ] [AVALON] A PEARL BEYOND PRICE ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno' is Enough [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Eno' is Enough ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. [Daniel Atterbom ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:21:27 -0000 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt Now I know why Ferry said politics and [his] music don't mix. And , if he did'nt actually say that, he certainly believed it. I've never heard of Ferry even come close to issuing a political thought and I think this foxhunting thing has gotten out of hand. He's now a country gentleman, his son does something in the countryside ( whatever that is exactly I don't know and I don't care). He grew up in a small , mining town near Newcastle in the 50's where I'm sure he would have been exposed to animal sports. So what's the deal here? Is he a politician, a religious leader, a saint , a role -model, an opinion former? He's a musician. I don't like foxhunting, would'nt do it myself , but I don't think it should be banned. There's much more cruelty going on in the way we, as a society, treat animals but that's deliberatlely hidden from us. Or we choose not to look. Philip ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:13:46 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name On 24 Feb 2001, at 15:11, Daniel Atterbom wrote: > Is Ian MacDonald the writer the same Ian MacDonald that was in, if > I remember correctly, King Crimson and wrote words to Listen Now? Yes and no! No, he wasn't in KC (and Foreigner!). Yes, he did write lyrics for Listen Now (and performed back-up vocals on Quiet Sun's Mainstream and PM's Diamond Head). David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:13:46 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"fascist"? On 24 Feb 2001, at 14:33, Philip Adams wrote: > I was going to come back with a "now you'll be saying that eagle > standard on the new logo is fascist" remark. [It is, isn't it? > .... certainly has undertones in that way] but I listened to Viva > and I think I see your point. I think the double headed eagle is more imperial than fascist (didn't the Hapsburgs use this as a symbol?), but perhaps I'm being wilfully perverse now! David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:22:35 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: SV: [AVALON] What's in a name I think someone is mixing Ian MacDonald (King Crimson) & MacCormick (Listen Now! / Quiet Sun). opd - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Squires To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name > On 24 Feb 2001, at 15:11, Daniel Atterbom wrote: > > > Is Ian MacDonald the writer the same Ian MacDonald that was in, if > > I remember correctly, King Crimson and wrote words to Listen Now? > > Yes and no! No, he wasn't in KC (and Foreigner!). Yes, he did write > lyrics for Listen Now (and performed back-up vocals on Quiet Sun's > Mainstream and PM's Diamond Head). > > David > > > > -- > David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:58:10 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name David Squires on Ian MacDonald: >Yes and no! No, he wasn't in KC (and Foreigner!). Yes, he did write >lyrics for Listen Now (and performed back-up vocals on Quiet Sun's >Mainstream and PM's Diamond Head). Ok, not the KC or Foreigner guy then. I'd forgotten that they were the same... Has Ian MacDonald the writer played guitar in a band? "Revolution in the Head" implies that he knows how to play the guitar, or maybe it's Phil Manzanera (thanked in the book) that has played all the Beatles songs? Also, has he changed surname from MacCormick to MacDonald? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:02:09 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. In einer eMail vom 24.02.01 20:30:43 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt thom.wallace@ntlworld.com: << a monkey locked in a room with a load of synth's and a tape running would probably have turned out something similar >> I can tell you have never been locked in a room with musical instruments, songs don't just "happen" so easily, you got to c o m p o s e them - if it would be soooo easy, I think the music buiness would be overflown with great songs - strange it doesn't happen, isn't it? Creativity also means to find a challenge in creating something NEW and going a step further of something you have done BEFORE - would you agree with me, that the Roxy-reunion has absolutely nothing to do with creativity? I am surprised how easy you have changed your mind, as I remember you being one of the first to complain about "big halls and high prices". I don't really care about the halls and prices (should charge more, people are willing!) as I don't give a damned about this totally boring "Let's make some money out of the name Roxy Music"-thing. I agree with Eno and I am sure, no matter how succesful the tour runs, it will leave a bad taste - at least to anynone who's more concerned about good and new music from artists, who still have something to offer and to say that goes deeper than the support for fox-hunting! Isn't it just jealousy that Eno gets more respect (and he certainly deserves it these days more than Ferry); to me his one of the most dedicated and creative producers. He does not stand still! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:20:30 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] solo plans In einer eMail vom 24.02.01 21:06:43 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt Jimlan801@aol.com: << somebody already mentioned that the airplane incident may have brought home to him how fragile life is >> Could have such an effect but could have had the other effect too that he is even more concerced about the kind - and importance - of music he can still give TODAY. It's sounds a nice idea to use the Roxy-success for further solo-ambitions but if that's an argument, I don't know why he didn't already use the success of ATGB to complete his long promised new solo-album. It would have been a much greater and certainly a much more respectable step. I somehow get the impression that all this had been long-time planned and not - like they expained at the press-conference - tow weeks ago. Who's going to believe that? Just after the conference you could buy tickets for all these large halls all over the world - you can not book such places within such a short time. No, it's perfectly planned, step 1: a nostalic comeback with ATGB, step2 : reforming Roxy (all the one who love nostalgia won't miss that one!) and finally step 3: offering a new solo-album. I am just waiting for plan 3 to come, that's all I am interesting in now and time will tell, how much Ferry is still able (and willing) to give. Hope he does not need to regret step 2 as artistically it's the weeakest career step I could think of. Don't know of any other band who went this way, unless they offered new material that gives a tour some kind of sense! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:26:49 +0000 From: Michael Hill Subject: RE: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. "Chancers"-I love the Scottish language! I can see exactly what you mean! I still think Eno is a very highly creative person, but Bryan wrote so many astounding pieces, as he will continue to do, which I don't think Eno could match in sheer quality and innovation. Eno certainly adds a lot of additional artistic intricacies to the music he works on, but as far as compositions go, I think Bryan is second to none. Moreover, I think Bryan's talent for soundscaping is immense, which is interesting, as this sort of style tends to be associated with Eno. The comments Eno made in Rolling Stone were quite harsh, and I can see why you're fired up, I quite agree with you! It's that Scottish temperament; brilliant for putting people in their places! :) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:29:13 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Auf Wiedersehen Well, it's time to say good-bye, something I wanted to do quite a long time ago but all the different and challenging views concerning the Roxy-reunion had kept me "online". Thank you all for having me around for some while, hope this mailing-list will continue in such a constructive way & does not get under the influence of other interests. Noch viele schvnste Wiedersehen (once Ferry is going to release his solo-material), Julia Liva. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:10:57 EST From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Scottish Sunday Mail For the Scots on the list:- There is a 2 page interview with Roxy by Billy Sloan in todays Scottish Sunday Mail magazine. J.O'B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:23:08 +0100 From: "danilo" Subject: R: [AVALON] Auf Wiedersehen ENO Baby's on fire!!!! R U coming back Julia? U know... people culd be harsh but das is nicht das ende der welt anyway we need your sensible comments dddddowndan - -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: A: Data invio: domenica 25 febbraio 2001 12.29 Oggetto: [AVALON] Auf Wiedersehen > Well, it's time to say good-bye, something I wanted to do quite a long time > ago but all the different and challenging views concerning the Roxy-reunion > had kept me "online". Thank you all for having me around for some while, > hope this mailing-list will continue in such a constructive way & does not > get under the influence of other interests. Noch viele schvnste Wiedersehen > (once Ferry is going to release his solo-material), Julia Liva. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:48:46 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: SV: [AVALON] What's in a name On 25 Feb 2001, at 11:22, Ole-Petter Drxnen wrote: > I think someone is mixing Ian MacDonald (King Crimson) & > MacCormick (Listen Now! / Quiet Sun). But Ian MacCormick writes as Ian MacDonald, formally in the NME, currently in Uncut (and elsewhere?) and is author of Revolution In The Head (cue for lots of vitriolic anti-Beatles posts...). Easy really! David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:26:35 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Scottish Sunday Mail At 07.10 -0500 1-02-25, OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: >There is a 2 page interview with Roxy by Billy Sloan in todays Scottish >Sunday Mail magazine. I tried to find on the internet, but no luck. Maybe Phil Manzanera posts it. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:52:02 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name On 25 Feb 2001, at 11:58, Daniel Atterbom wrote: > Has Ian MacDonald the writer played guitar in a band? I don't know. > Also, has he changed surname from MacCormick to MacDonald? Yes, though quite why I don't know - perhaps to distance himself from bass playing Bill in the heady mid '70's? Perhaps an email to Bill at Manzanera.com might get the answer! David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:03:06 -0000 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] market rage I left because I was about to cry, I was so disapointed with what's his name. I have had many pleasant conversations with him. He is such a Roxy fan I'm surprised he's not on this list. I would have bought anything he kindly offered to bring from his home to me. The day before he made me laugh so much by telling a young Italian girl he did't have a picture of Jimmy Page because there was such great demand for them. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:09:21 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. In a message dated 25/02/01 11:43:46 GMT Standard Time, michaelhill@ecosse.net writes: > < Scottish temperament; brilliant for putting people in their places! :)>> Yes, Michael, we do have our moments.........ooh..... Auf Wiedersehen Liva.....pet, remember and pack your ventriloquist's dummy, eh Colleen I think her name is. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:56:51 0000 From: "diane whateley" Subject: RE[AVALON]- Gig Accomodation Are there any lone female avalonains out there willing to roomshare for the following gigs: Newcastle 12th June Birmingham 16th June and possibly Wembley 23 June Please mail me off-list, if interested to discuss. Cheers, Diane Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:10:49 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. Maybe I'm more naive than I've given myself credit for, but frankly I'm very surprised to read such pointedly negative attacks on Brian Eno on the Roxy Music list. I'm not sure why people would say things along the lines of there wouldn't be anything he could do on stage or that he isn't part of the canon. I can't remembers tons of Eno discussion here over the pat 6 or so years, but this somewhat (or mostly) dismissive attitude towards one of the founding members of Roxy Music is new to me. Has this list become so Ferry-oriented that this is now doctrine? Maybe it's the gender gap at work, but I am puzzled by a conversation which spends hours of bandwidth on who the drummer will be, but decides after 10 minutes or less that Eno isn't really that important in the overall Roxy scheme of things. Obviously I understand that his current interest in music precludes his standing on stage in the traditional Rock Concert Format. And I would have been shocked if he had agreed to be part of the reunion. But I do wish that he had had some input into it somewhere. Oh well. On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, thom.wallace wrote: > In Scotland we have a very good description for the Eno's of the > world, we call them "CHANCERS". Some of these guys end up sweeping the > streets and others get adopted by the arty brigade and end up being > lauded as something special. Well I hate to rain on their parade, but > Eno is nothing more than a mediocre talent, and I for one an quite > glad that he's not taking part in the Roxy reunion. If the band do end > up in the studio I still don't see any great plus in having him > involved. I wasn't thrilled with what Eno added to _Mamouna_, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's merely a "chancer." The fact that nearly 30 years later he's still regarded so highly and as au courant (he wouldn't be getting these exhibitions in the oh so up-to-the-minute contemporary art world if he were considered yesterday's news). You (these in this sequence would be the general and not the specific "you"--English does let us down there, doesn't it?) may not like what he does, and you may not be particularly interested in contemporary art (Lord knows I wander through my share of [over-]hyped exhibitions muttering "The Emperor has no clothes"), but in my opinion Eno is still at work thinking about sound and space and emotion, and all of the other preoccupations he's had for the last few decades, and that keeps him still alive and relevant to contemporary art. Taking his comments slightly out of order, Tom also wrote: > There is a lot of myth about the genius of Mr Eno, and myth it truly is. > He never was and never will be fit to be compared to Ferry when it comes > to creativity. Before anybody starts bleating about his work with U2 > lets set the record straight. A big percentage of their attraction come > from the fact of where they come from and has sod all to do with quality > of the music they perform. So what if they sell a lot of records, so > does Brittany Spiers and the Backstreet Boys and I doubt if anybody who > is sane would say that they are creating anything that is worthy of the > ward artistic. I'm not going to get into a big conversation defending Eno's work with U2. Clearly you don't think much of it, so it would be futile to try to have a discussion about it. But there are many who do see his work with them as significant within the confines of pop/rock music, and I don't think that's too far off the mark (even as I think the results of his working without Daniel Lanois on _Zooropa_ were just terrible). But it's not just like he only lucked into U2 at the time of _The Unforgettable Fire_ and made his way into artistic and commercial success, because prior to that he'd worked with other pop groups, most notably Talking Heads and Devo, with the same success (albeit on a smaller commercial level). Now you (the generic "you" again) may not care for either of these artists, but that doesn't necessarily negate their or Eno's influence or importance in the overall scheme of popular music. I am sure there are people here who can defend Mr. Eno much more eloquently and knowledgeably than I can, and I am sure that this discussion has been had ad nauseum on the Eno list, albeit by people much more well informed than I am, so I apologize for my presumption in speaking on these subjects in front of them. But I just couldn't leave these comments about Eno over the last few days unanswered. Colleen P.S. I hope it goes without saying, but I am afraid it does not so I will add it, that having something positive to say about Mr. Eno in no way diminishes Mr. Ferry. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:27:22 -0000 From: "Niki H" Subject: [AVALON] inspirations please has anybody got a book called inspirations made for charity,with lyrics donnated by artists.can you send me a copy of the avalon page?thank you. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:31:14 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. > I can tell you have never been locked in a room with musical instruments, > songs don't just "happen" so easily, you got to c o m p o s e them - if it > would be soooo easy, I wasn't talking about writing songs, but Eno's ambient meanderings. You obviously don't know me as well as you think, I've been using gutar and synth's for years. The fact that I never took it seriously though I was encouraged to is because I came across too many people with poor ideas that were masqueraded as art. > I am surprised how easy you have > changed your mind, as I remember you being one of the first to complain about > "big halls and high prices". True, I do think the prices are on the high side and I never have liked the large arenas, however I'm not going to "cut off my nose to spilte my face". I've waited a long time to see Roxy again and intend to enjoy it no matter the cost. Nobody will be cheering any louder than I when the band comes on stage in Dublin. > Isn't it just jealousy that Eno > gets more respect (and he certainly deserves it these days more than Ferry); > to me his one of the most dedicated and creative producers. He does not stand > still! If he doesn't stand still and is so worthy of respect how come the bulk of his ambient efforts all sound the same? Sorry, but I don't think you argument holds much water. I could see your point if Eno had done anything of musical merit, but I can't see how anyone could be jealous of some one who gains respect for the sort of stuff has turned out over the last 28 years. I for one would be sad to see you quit the list, but you seem to have taken my views on Mr Eno just a tad to heart. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:02:26 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. > Maybe it's the gender gap at work, but I am puzzled by a conversation > which spends hours of bandwidth on who the drummer will be, but decides > after 10 minutes or less that Eno isn't really that important in the > overall Roxy scheme of things. Well for starters Thomson played on the bulk of the Roxy albums, Eno featured on two. My personal view on Thomson being involved or not with the reunion are a bit double sided. My heart says that I'd like to see him involved again as I always enjoyed his contribution. However my head tells me that I haven't heard him play for 22 years. I'd be a liar if I was to say that I knew if he was up to it or not. > "The Emperor has no clothes", but in my opinion Eno is still at work thinking about sound and > space and emotion, and all of the other preoccupations he's had for the last few decades, and that keeps him still > alive and relevant to contemporary art. "The Emperor has no clothes" a fairly good description of the bulk of projects turned out under the contempory art banner. The problem is that those who laud the "chancers" of the world as talented really don't want to own up when they realise just how naff some of the people and projects that they have endorsed really are. > Now you (the generic "you" again) may not care for > either of these artists, but that doesn't necessarily negate their or > Eno's influence or importance in the overall scheme of popular music. This is true, and I'm sure my dislike of Miss Spiers and the Backstreet Boys doesn't negate their importance in the overall scheme of popular music for the 10 to teens market either. > P.S. I hope it goes without saying, but I am afraid it does not so I will > add it, that having something positive to say about Mr. Eno in no way > diminishes Mr. Ferry. Has anybody on this list said it did? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:56:34 -0500 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music Ticket Sales One thing I have not really heard about from our Irish, Scottish and English Avalonians is how the tickets are selling so far? Was the second Wembley date added because of perceived or actual demand? I would love to know what type of quality seats our dyed in the wool members have been able to acquire. I was extremely tempted by the Dublin show but a new position has my time off limited. Being in the states I attempted to see what was available at some of the venues through Ticket Zone on the net when they first went on sale. It seemed it was a case of "buy them first" then find out where they are located later. Is that indeed how it is done there or was I mistaken? Here through "Ticket-Master" you are give the seating location and then a few minutes to cough up the credit card number before they vanish from your screen. Regards John D ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:35:42 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music Ticket Sales In a message dated 2/25/1 4:06:49 PM, you wrote: <> Hi John, nice to hear from you again.I was certainly very lucky with the Wembley shows (I think !),having got what I am led to believe are front row tkts for both nights.I posted here on the list as soon as I saw them on sale,but with the time difference making it midnight in the UK,I doubt too many of the European Avalonians were online? My experiences with using ticketmaster online in the past have really been a case of "Rolling the Dice" and keeping everything "Crossed".It really is a crap shoot.I recently spent the best part of three hours online trying to get seats for my wife to see U2.I was constantly offered rediculous seats behind the stage etc.(which I rejected)Then suddenly out of nowhere came two seats ,just off the floor in a decent section?I am not so naive not to realise that this is what we have come to accept as 'Great Automated Service'.So in the words of the Great Dave Allen,"May Your God Be With You". Regards, DM. well i'm drunk today...................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:49:24 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] solo plans In a message dated 2/25/1 11:33:40 AM, you wrote: <> The Eagles? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:53:06 -0800 From: "Pete Kohut" Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon] Thanks We can disagree and you can still be the salt of the earth. Taking the time to answer peoples request is still quite commendable. Thanks for taking the time to help me understand things better. I can't help it if I'm 8,000 miles away. Belaire's, Ok if you dig that grave, but I want to live again, to quote a phrase.
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___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:07:15 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eno' is Enough Can we just put things in perspective here please?Hands up how many of you guys out there tried to look like Eno thirty years ago?Now how many of you look like Eno today? Right......Now how many Bryan ................................ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:06:32 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name They're brothers. Ian uses a pen name. Ask Bill at manzanera.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ole-Petter Drxnen > I think someone is mixing Ian MacDonald (King Crimson) & MacCormick (Listen Now! / Quiet Sun). ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:25:03 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: [AVALON] A PEARL BEYOND PRICE ...or flogging a dead horse If you require proof of how great Paul Thompson can be, read the articles - found right in the Manzo archives.. Ian MacDonald, NME, 10th November 1973 "Amazona" ...slammed home immaculately all the way by The Great Paul Thompson. All hype aside, Paul is one of Britain`s finest rock drummers and, if you require proof, just listen to him effortlessly quadruple the beat under Manzanera`s screaming central break. Nick Kent, NME, 9th November 1974 ...the Paul Thompson-John Gustafson rhythm section was now absolutely the best in the country. - --- I wish we could track down Gus too! Paul still has the Geordie Thunder. Check out a pick recent picture of him. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pauldrum/orthis.jpg nice kit too! Like, John Bonham, a drummer needs to be a big bloke. David - ----- Original Message ----- > Well for starters Thomson played on the bulk of the Roxy albums, Eno > featured on two. My personal view on Thomson being involved or not with the > reunion are a bit double sided. My heart says that I'd like to see him > involved again as I always enjoyed his contribution. However my head tells > me that I haven't heard him play for 22 years. I'd be a liar if I was to say > that I knew if he was up to it or not ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:11:43 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno' is Enough In a message dated 2/25/01 11:30:45 AM, KRNCHSE@aol.com writes: << Can we just put things in perspective here please?Hands up how many of you guys out there tried to look like Eno thirty years ago?Now how many of you look like Eno today? Right......Now how many Bryan ................................ >> I tried to look like Bryan Ferry as a teenager, and failed. But now, I have hair like Eno has....or hasn't. Andrew, wearing a hat, in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:25:08 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno' is Enough See Eno lose his hair! http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/thennow.gif - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno' is Enough > In a message dated 2/25/01 11:30:45 AM, KRNCHSE@aol.com writes: > > << Can we just put things in perspective here please?Hands up how many of you > guys out there tried to look like Eno thirty years ago?Now how many of you > look like Eno today? Right......Now how many Bryan > ................................ >> > > I tried to look like Bryan Ferry as a teenager, and failed. But now, I have > hair like Eno has....or hasn't. > Andrew, wearing a hat, in Chicago > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:55:18 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. Is Brian Eno as "chancer" or as Colleen Matan makes the case a brilliant producer? Well I think that he's both. He came to the rock world by chance. He knew Andy Mackay and joined Roxy Music. From the band he moved on and has produced several commercial success, David Bowie, U2 and James among them. For numbers of sales, Roxy Music or any members solo efforts dwarfes compared to U2 (I don't remember how the Bowie/Eno triology did chartwise). I think that Brian Eno has moved rock music to places it might not have gone without him. Eno is, to quote Colleen "important in the overall Roxy scheme of things." "FYP" is one of the best Roxy albums in my book and without Eno's synthesizers and the way Jobson updated the sound Roxy would have sounded different on the third to sixth album, the sixth being "Viva!". After the comeback with "Manifesto" the Roxy sound had changed and Eno's influences had vanished. He don't think that Eno would add much to 2001's Roxy Music. They will only be playing a handful of songs that he recorded with them. I like some Eno's solo work and the two first albums he did with Bowie. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:15:38 +0100 From: "C.H.Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. I really admire Eno for a lot of his work and consider him a very creative musician and good singer, although I rate Bryan Ferry even higher (as singer, songwriter and also regarding the hair). It's only very likely that Eno's work easily divides listeners into pro and contra, but ambient music isn't really made that easily, in my mind. It may be a bit of a truism but the notes you don't play are as important as the ones you play. There is a good quote of Fripp on Eno, whom he called his favourite synth player, "because he uses his ears, not his fingers". Eno has recorded many wonderful albums - at any rate, that's what I think, others might as well doze off. But actually, whether Eno's music is any good or not is not the point here, is it? It's more his depreciating comment on the reunion, which he of course is free to give - although I was a bit disappointed that he communicated it to the media rather than the band, especially since Eno and Ferry seemed to have established a better relationship during the 90s. It was clear from the outset he was not going to participate in the live shows, but I retained a faint hope of him contributing if studio sessions were to take place. Christian - ---------- >Von: Daniel Atterbom >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. >Datum: Son, 25. Feb 2001 19:55 Uhr > >Is Brian Eno as "chancer" or as Colleen Matan makes the case a brilliant >producer? > >Well I think that he's both. He came to the rock world by chance. He knew >Andy Mackay and joined Roxy Music. From the band he moved on and has >produced several commercial success, David Bowie, U2 and James among them. >For numbers of sales, Roxy Music or any members solo efforts dwarfes >compared to U2 (I don't remember how the Bowie/Eno triology did chartwise). > >I think that Brian Eno has moved rock music to places it might not have >gone without him. Eno is, to quote Colleen "important in the overall Roxy >scheme of things." "FYP" is one of the best Roxy albums in my book and >without Eno's synthesizers and the way Jobson updated the sound Roxy would >have sounded different on the third to sixth album, the sixth being "Viva!". > >After the comeback with "Manifesto" the Roxy sound had changed and Eno's >influences had vanished. > >He don't think that Eno would add much to 2001's Roxy Music. They will only >be playing a handful of songs that he recorded with them. > >I like some Eno's solo work and the two first albums he did with Bowie. > >Daniel > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #76 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest