From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #75 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, February 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: [AVALON] What's in a name [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] How it really is ["Reecey" ] Re: [AVALON] What's in a name ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt [Jimlan801@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. ["Tim Kendrick" ] RE: [AVALON] How it really is ["Chris Turner" ] RE: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt ["Chris Turner" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:24:02 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] What's in a name At 18.54 +0100 1-02-24, M Gus wrote: >I think naming Ringo Starr is also a very un-hip thing to do, but >still I like to think the Beatles couldn't have done it without him. >At least not as good. Heck, they'd still be playing in that Cavern >thing if it wasn't for Ringo. No they would not. Brian Epstein and George Martin had already discovered them when they stole Ringo away from Rory Storm. Martin would have brought in a new drummer for them, like he did with Alan White on "Love Me Do". If not White some other. Now Ringo is a very good drummer and I agree with Ian MacDonald's conclusion in "Revolution in the Head" that Ringo is underestimated. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:14:09 0000 From: "diane whateley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs) Where I live is not really relevant as I am going to several of the gigs. Ticketline will issue the tickets 6 to 8 weeks before the actual date of the gig. That means that say for Wembley, they will be sent out some time at the end of April/beginnng of May. Cheers, Diane - -- On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:45:52 ncjones.lewis2 wrote: >Where do you live, and when will out be out? >Regards >Neil Jones > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Squires >To: >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:01 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs) > > >> On 23 Feb 2001, at 19:54, diane whateley wrote: >> >> > As I was getting worried, not having received my priceless tickets >> > to various of the gigs, I called Ticketline. I was informed that >> > the tickets will not be sent out until 6-8 weeks before the date in >> > question. Interestingly, credit cards are dedited 3-4 days after >> > the ticket is booked....!! Just thought I'd share that nugget of >> > info with you all. >> >> I managed to get mine direct from the venue (Nottingham) and they're >> sitting next to the monitor in front of me... >> >> David (not at all smug - plenty of time for me to lose them!) >> >> >> -- >> David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK >> >> >> >___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:53:19 +0100 From: "C.H.Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Town/Nimrod Thanks for the info, Rod. I'll try to get it to four-track tape somehow and then play it backwards. Still, I'd say Bryan could well succeed in coming up with interesting ambient works, though you're right, Eno may be the more revolutionary man here. When discussing this issue, I remember his statement about lyrics: that with words, you're particularizing feelings and moods. This may form part of his difficulty in writing lyrics nowadays. Anyway, he really should put out some experimental works of his - maybe in a limited edition, with a "no hormone-stimulating crooning" sticker on it. It could be a CD called "Unparticularized Moods" and The Orb, Biosphere et al. would express their desire to work with BF... sorry, I'm exaggerating. Christian - ---------- >Von: "Rod LeCloux" >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] New Town/Nimrod >Datum: Sam, 24. Feb 2001 4:34 Uhr > >From: C.H.Soetemann > > >> Does any of you know more about the opening/intro track, "Nimrod" (isn't >> that another reference to hunting, erm???)? I like it a lot, gathering >from >> the credits it's a Ferry track, but with, let's say, an unusual vocal >> performance. It's probably one of the darkest things Ferry has done, very >> eerie stuff. So, does somebody know who played on that cut, when it was >> recorded etc.? ........ > >Well, Nimrod might be dark and eerie and may even lead us to believe that >there are even more of these experimental nuggets hidden away collectind >dust in some smoke filled studio. Maybe someday a complete CD of unreleased >dark/moody instrumentals.... Ok, I better stop myself here I'm getting >carried away. > >You see, Nimrod unfortunately is simply "New Town" played backwards. Just a >simple studio trick with a few wierd noises mixed in, most likely other >thing mixed in backwards. I doubt if Bryan even twidled the knobs himself. >My guess is that maybe Patrick Leonard came up with it. > >Bryan's the one of the best at crafting songs but he's no match to Eno in >terms of experimental electronic music. I think that's where they differ, >which is a good thing, they complement each other!! > >Bye, > >Rod > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:05:07 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] How it really is I do think people underestimate what some of us go through in preparation for attempting to get decent Roxy tickets. In recent weeks, it really has been a 'military operation', with a load of us all hunched over our phones at home, at a pre-given day, at a precise pre-given hour, credit cards at the ready. It was no different this morning, as Dublin tickets went on sale - yes, THE BIGGIE - Roxy's first Gig in about 18 years. I was speaking just the other day about what we all put ourselves through in our quest for the holy grail of good seats, with my good friend Stevesiren. I received an email from him first thing this morning, which really made me laugh - because you know, it isn't so far from the truth. Hope you don't mind me passing this on to the list - it amused the hell out of me... - -------------------------------------------------- Reecey, I've got this Image of you wearing a headset, standing over a map of Great Britain, pushing little models of Avalonians about with a stick saying "we've taken Brum"! Thanks, Wing Commander Steve Siren - --------------------------------------------------- That's so damn accurate it made me howl. Stevesiren will be played by David Niven in the film. Johnny Reece will be played by Kenneth More. See you on the Tour, Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:27:32 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name - -----Original Message----- From: jmdillon@mindspring.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name >Philip wrote: >Can any one even name any other drummer from any band , from any period >since, who's had such an influence either on their own band or on others? >Those who mention Phil Collins can leave the room. ... er Moon.....does'nt >count, more noted for drinking than drumming. Howard Grimes and Al Jackson of the Hi rhythm section behind Al Green. And obviously any number of Jazz drummers who've headed their groups. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:23:33 EST From: Jimlan801@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt pete kohut is exactly right about the big issue festival ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:32:49 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. >>There is a lot of myth about the genius of Mr Eno, and myth it truly is. But pop music is all about myth, isn't it? The objective truth is that genuises don't wind up making pop music, and the endless list of pop 'geniuses' is all breathtaking overstatement. So we may as well call whoever our favourite poppie happens to be a genius, because the word is debased beyond meaning. I call Bryan Ferry a genius because I like his stuff, but I'm not dumb enough really to believe it. tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:41:05 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] How it really is playing another legless hero...? ...Johnny Reece will be played by Kenneth More... See you on the Tour, Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:51:48 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt You're reading far more into what I said than is actually there. I never said or implied anything of the sort. Don't presume to interpret my opinions, thank you. I find foxhunting barbaric and anachronistic, and have made my personal decision based on the advantage of living thirty years in the English Shires, (you now, where foxhunting actually takes place?), not piously pontificating on a subject I have no experience of from 8000 miles away. You haven't got the franchise on compassion. I also don't think that doing a gig for the homeless would in any way 'balance-out' support for foxhunting. There's no 'morality ledger' where these things are tallied up. I'm sure that Roxy, or anyone else for that matter, will continue to be motivated to do things for a whole range of considerations, some good, some bad. Although you and I might not like it, it's not actually incompatible to support foxhunting and simultaneously, the homeless. People are after all motivated to do things for all sorts of reasons, and not all of them are necessarily the right ones. You'll understand the world better when you understand that. I'm sure JFRoxy could have summed this up more far more succinctly... Chris BTW, three weeks ago you contacted me off-list with one of the most sycophantic letter I have ever received, (remember how I was 'salt of the earth' and 'one of Bryan's greatest fans?') You told me how you were having posting issues. I spent half an hour writing a solution to your self-inflicted problems. I see this seemed to have worked. Don't feel you need to thank me, will you? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Pete Kohut Sent: 24 February 2001 18:46 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt >I'm weighing in on this not to flame the fires but rather to respond to something said by Chris. It was suggested by Chris that Roxy Music should attend the festival (schedule allowing) because it would be a way of mending fences with the PC brigade. This implies that the people offended by Bryan's recent stance, are those who are offended only because it is politically correct to be offended. This belittles the real hurt being expressed by those who are pained by the suffering of these foxes. I for one could care less whether I'm the last one on the planet to hold these views. It also suggests that Bryan and Roxy should do the right thing for the wrong reasons. It suggests that Bryan/Roxy wouldn't attend for genuine Hearfelt reasons ie; concern for the homeless, but rather to mend fences. This seems like an awful shallow reason for his/their attendence. Throw away lines often ring true <
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___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 03:14:28 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Washington Here's a little insight I came across, into Ferry's Washington upbringing: http://www.geocities.com/pictorialwashingtonuk/BryanFerry.html Not sure about those red trousers though... Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #75 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest