From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #74 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, February 24 2001 Volume 06 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] A Mad Affair - one week on ["Philip Adams" ] Re: Fw: [AVALON] Survey ["David Squires " ] Re: [AVALON] What's in a name [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs) ["ncjones.lewis2" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! [Julialiva@aol.com] Re[2]: [AVALON] What's in a name [M Gus ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry-New Town Video ["peter cason" ] R: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! ["danilo" ] [AVALON] Editorial: Roxy Music Cashes In? [jmdillon@mindspring.com] [AVALON] Live at Le Grand Rex ["Paul Bodine" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno at The Rolling Stone Web site [M Gus ] [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] Maybe Eno is right? ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] Eno at The Rolling Stone Web site [Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] A Mad Affair - one week on Is it February 24th or February 17th? (Ed: just forget the Puxley pastiche). Saturday night I met up with the Great and Knowledgable Rob Edwards for a pre-show drink in a bar across the road from the Spot. (Used to be the Peacock, don't know what its called now) During an enlightening conversation we discovered that we'd both seen Roxy for the first time at Birmingham Odeon on the Manifesto tour. At just after 7pm we trooped across the road and found the Oval room already busy and buzzing with anticipation. I sought out Jocelyn and Reecey to deliver the now notorious fandangos - which I never got round to trying myself. And thanks to them and Simon - and everyone else who made the evening possible - for delivering Re-Make/Re-Model to us and wow , what a great show. Those who were there will know what I mean. Those who were'nt., sorry , but rest assured your spirit was there. It was a memorable night and I have some pics of the band and the audience which I'll send to Kicki, and Ron Snelderweert, once I have them in jpegs (they're slides so it may take a few days) [ that is if anyone is interested ]. And the music - well , I think you'll have realised that RM/RM certainly cut it as tribute . Actually, the words tribute band demean them - they were better than that. All power to them for slaying what was their hardest audience to date. They're playing again in Holland next Saturday - hope they get back here sometime. Philip L ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:01:47 -0000 From: "Mark Heptinstall" Subject: [AVALON] DUBLIN The date of the Dublin concert has changed to Friday 8th June. I've booked my tickets through the Point Theatre's box office 00 353 1 836 3633 at IEP45.00 each and they are promised to be sent out on monday. Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:57:20 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] Survey On 23 Feb 2001, at 23:35, Philip Adams wrote: > I'm going to dig that album out. I have'nt heard it for years. But > "fascist", Pseuds corner for you, David. As you said Philip, you haven't heard it for years. And I stand by my description, which is particularly applicable to the opening bars of the song. A cocksure grandiloquence in place of the Roxy stomp, fascist rather than imperial. David (slap that child, he has ideas above his station) - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:11:31 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name At 19.57 +0000 1-02-23, David Squires wrote: >Thanks for this confirmation, Daniel. Ian is, of course, Bill >MacCormick's brother. I'm implying nothing incestuous here... ;-) No problem. Could you expand this fact. Is Ian MacDonald the writer the same Ian MacDonald that was in, if I remember correctly, King Crimson and wrote words to Listen Now? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:11:57 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! At 14.28 -0500 1-02-23, KWil632057@aol.com wrote: >Brian Eno has apparently told 'Rolling Stone' that the Reunion leaves a bad >taste in his mouth. > Well, he was hardly going to sit there twiddling his knobs during Jealous >Guy, Avalon etc.... His friend and former collaborator David Byrne once said of a reformed Talking Heads that it would be like having out with a former girlfriend and few people do that. I will not miss Eno. I would miss Paul Thompson. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:33:13 -0000 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: [AVALON] Re:"fascist"? I was going to come back with a "now you'll be saying that eagle standard on the new logo is fascist" remark. [It is, is'nt it? .... certainly has undertones in that way] but I listened to Viva and I think I see your point. On with the tour. Best opener would be "I never thought I'd (we'd) see you again, well , how've you been until now?..... " Now, if you had a lyric like that, you'd use it. Roxy Music, 18 years away. Just like a Labour government, good to have you back. My earlier doubts about the reunion well and truly laid to rest. Philip > As you said Philip, you haven't heard it for years. And I stand by my > description, which is particularly applicable to the opening bars of the > song. A cocksure grandiloquence in place of the Roxy stomp, fascist > rather than imperial. > > > > -- > David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:45:52 -0000 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs) Where do you live, and when will out be out? Regards Neil Jones - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Squires To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: ticketline (UK gigs) > On 23 Feb 2001, at 19:54, diane whateley wrote: > > > As I was getting worried, not having received my priceless tickets > > to various of the gigs, I called Ticketline. I was informed that > > the tickets will not be sent out until 6-8 weeks before the date in > > question. Interestingly, credit cards are dedited 3-4 days after > > the ticket is booked....!! Just thought I'd share that nugget of > > info with you all. > > I managed to get mine direct from the venue (Nottingham) and they're > sitting next to the monitor in front of me... > > David (not at all smug - plenty of time for me to lose them!) > > > -- > David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:02:09 -0000 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Town/Nimrod Considering today's news about Britain being a major player in the development of a high tech asteroid defence thing-a-me-jig, I hope Mr. Blair is not considering a similar project along these lines for the Ferry asteroid (now affectionately called Bry by astronomers.) If so he shall certainly lose my vote. Cheers Neil Jones - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Shearer To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Town/Nimrod > Yeah I reckon that's about right Phillip. There's so much unreleased > material that when it does get released it will loom like a big shadow, then > bang we're dead. That's probably his plan actually, he'd enjoy the irony. > > BTW wasn't BF working with Orbital at some stage too? > > > >From: "Philip Adams" > >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org > >To: > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Town/Nimrod > >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:08:29 -0000 > > > >----- I remember reports that Ferry was working with music experimentalist > >and DJ , Scanner,(this about 1997 ) which I thought was an intriguing > >idea. > >I'm sure some interesting soundcapes lurk around somewhere in that sealed > >archive we all know exists. > > > >As for the Ferry box set, I think we're more likely to be hit by an > >asteroid. > > > >Philip > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:03:31 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! In einer eMail vom 23.02.01 20:51:18 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt KWil632057@aol.com: << Brian Eno has apparently told 'Rolling Stone' that the Reunion leaves a bad taste in his mouth. >> It certainly speaks for Eno that he did not join; proofs he's more interested in artistic steps rather than commercial ones. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:20:21 -0500 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name Philip wrote: Can any one even name any other drummer from any band , from any period since, who's had such an influence either on their own band or on others? Those who mention Phil Collins can leave the room. ... er Moon.....does'nt count, more noted for drinking than drumming. <><><><><><><> Moon.....does'nt count, ( because he is ) more noted for drinking than drumming? Oh dear. Far be it for me to fan the flames of a "Best of Drummers" debate but I think that TGPT himself may agree that, off stage antics aside, Mr. Moon was quite literally among the best drummers of his time. Other might include Carl Palmer, Neil Peart and John Bonham. When asked, TGPT aside, most rock drummers seem to mention these as among their influences. Be Well John Dillon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Adams" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's in a name > I think it's because no other drummer from that period came close to doing > what Thompson did for Roxy. > > Can any one even name any other drummer from any band , from any period > since, who's had such an influence either on their own band or on others? > > Those who mention Phil Collins can leave the room. ... er Moon.....does'nt > count, more noted for drinking than drumming > > Philip > > > > > > Can anyone tell me how & why Paul Thompson came to be known universally > > as > > "The Great Paul Thompson".? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:22:03 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! In a message dated 24/02/01 17:17:14 GMT Standard Time, Julialiva@aol.com writes: > << Brian Eno has apparently told 'Rolling Stone' that the Reunion leaves a > bad > taste in his mouth. >> > It certainly speaks for Eno that he did not join; proofs he's more > interested > in artistic steps rather than commercial ones.>> Hey Fritz, how about changing the record (or CD as it may be these days) you've made your point and (almost) everybody is pissed off with your negative remarks, so fuck off before you really start annoying me. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:26:32 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! Or that he realises he is a relatively small part of the Roxy canon. In a message dated 24/02/01 17:17:14 GMT Standard Time, Julialiva@aol.com writes: > It certainly speaks for Eno that he did not join; proofs he's more > interested > in artistic steps rather than commercial ones. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:34:29 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] solo plans In einer eMail vom 23.02.01 18:25:18 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt Jimlan801@aol.com: << i am sure that he carries in his mind the commercial failures of mamouna and even the bride stripped bare, two masterpieces that took years to be recognised as such, >> I can just agree on "The bride stripped bare" and "Mamouna", these two albums will always be very special to me, no matter how let down I am at the moment, especially concerning the way Ferry seems to handle his career-moves. Guess I am much more fuzzy on artistical standards than commercial ones; both just mentioned soloalbum are propably so brilliant as they were made out of a darker period in Ferry's life, they made him focus just on his artistic output and it couln't have turned out any better, any more personal. I am afraid that all this revival stuff and purely mainstream based tour won't do him any good artistically". "Mamouna" with songs like "The only face" (the strong composition came out live so brilliantly) showed his creative potential and it would be a shame if he would rather go for the quick success now than high musical standards. The success of ATGB gave him so much freedom (the only reason why I did appreciate another nostaligic album), it's a shame he prefers to go backwards now, even if it's meant in a good way to push his next solo-album. I am afraid he will loose a lot of respect; the audience he will reach NOW is certainly not interesting or willing to follow his more ambitious "real" solo-steps; it wasn't like this in the past; doubt this type of Roxy reunion will make it any better for his own material. If it had turned out to be a very stylish, intimitate tour for the fans & friends, yes, but not the way it goes now. Sorry, but that's the way I feel; I just expected more - maybe my expectations have been too high. All I can do now is not to think about the big business around this Roxy-reunion and wait for the new solo-album, hope it won't include any kind of old (and left over!) material nor cover-versions; just simply Ferry at his best; I would be the least person to love his music again. Well, I never forgot to like his music, despite the fact that I don't like enjoy his rather embarassing and conservative comments; he's better off in making music! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:41:20 -0500 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Member Wins Grammy Award Pardon as I wax pontifically in Roxy Music's influential after glow, but am I the only one who feels a great deal pride in the fact that almost 30 years after Roxy Music burst onto the music world, that two of it's original members were nominated for Grammy awards this year? Bryan for ATGB and Eno for producing U2. Add to that one of them, Eno, for his producing U2, wins! I really think it is a credit to them both to be recognized for their impact on music over the years. John Dillon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:45:00 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! > From: JFROXY@aol.com > Hey Fritz, how about changing the record (or CD as it may be these days) > you've made your point and (almost) everybody is pissed off with your > negative remarks, > so fuck off before you really start annoying me. Ah, isn't it as lovely as ever to hear FROXY's dulcet tones? What's the matter John, the National Front Disco is opening late today? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:47:51 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! In einer eMail vom 24.02.01 18:29:40 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt JFROXY@aol.com: << Hey Fritz, how about changing the record (or CD as it may be these days) you've made your point and (almost) everybody is pissed off with your negative remarks, so fuck off before you really start annoying me. >> Hey "JF", your comments speaks for you, thanks a lot! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:54:14 +0100 From: M Gus Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] What's in a name >Can any one even name any other drummer from any band , from any period >since, who's had such an influence either on their own band or on others? >Those who mention Phil Collins can leave the room. ... er Moon.....does'nt >count, more noted for drinking than drumming. I think naming Ringo Starr is also a very un-hip thing to do, but still I like to think the Beatles couldn't have done it without him. At least not as good. Heck, they'd still be playing in that Cavern thing if it wasn't for Ringo. Oh wait, any period since- Err... too lazy to press delete now. Gus - --- "I never drink... w i n e"-Count Dracula http://www.cs.vu.nl/~gagussek gagussek@cs.vu.nl - --- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:13:22 -0000 From: "peter cason" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry-New Town Video - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod LeCloux To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry-New Town Video > Does anyone know the location of the "New Town" video which was shot during > the '88 and '89 European tour. I would think it's only from 1 or 2 > locations. Does anyone have a breakdown by track? > > Rod > The "New Town" Video Footage was shot in a few european city venues i believe that Paris,Berlin,"somewhere" in Belgium, but definately includes Glasgow, as we could spot ourselves at "stage front",youve already got the "track listing" i se Rod which is good 'cause i couldnt find my copy to type 'em out-hope this helps! Regards,-Pete. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:16:14 +0100 From: "danilo" Subject: R: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! ..there are no fritz, maccaroni or whatever.... FROXY needs just to listen one more time SONG FOR EUROPE!!!! danilo ...and remember FIASCO is also a bottle of good wine!!!! :-))))))))) CIAO JULIA.... > In einer eMail vom 24.02.01 18:29:40 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt > JFROXY@aol.com: > > << Hey Fritz, how about changing the record (or CD as it may be these days) > you've made your point and (almost) everybody is pissed off with your > negative remarks, > so fuck off before you really start annoying me. >> > > Hey "JF", your comments speaks for you, thanks a lot! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:21:32 EST From: Jimlan801@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Survey i dream of this gig. the bogus man three and nine the numberer end of the line sentimental fool ain't that so out of the blue while my heart is still beating your application's failed(!) a really good time amazona bitter sweet grey lagoons still falls the rain would you believe? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:32:23 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: [AVALON] Eno at The Rolling Stone Web site http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=13341 Complete Eno article from Rolling Stone web site: Eno Makes Music for Museum Ambient master has sonic exhibit at SF MOMA Innovative producer Brian Eno helped launch David Bowie and Roxy Music into their space phases and pushed U2 into its ambient computer experiments on The Unforgettable Fire and Achtung Baby. But his sonic exhibit that runs at San Francisco's Museum of Modern Art from March 3rd to July 8th may be his most avant garde: It has no lyrics, no melody, no beat and it's never played the same way twice. As part of a show celebrating digital technology and art called, appropriately enough, "101010," Eno's Compact Forest Proposal is his attempt to create a musical environment, similar in spirit to his groundbreaking 1979 album Music for Airports. You enter a darkened room, lit dimly by lights strung like trees. Overhead, like a rainbow, are eleven CD players, each playing a different instrument, in harmony, but on random rotations. You hear voices, stretched out like the soundtrack to a haunted-house movie (it's actually the voice of a waitress at a sushi joint near his London recording studio run through synthesizers); long, low gongs (actually bells, again slowed through the magic of computers) and stringed instruments, all which seem to crawl around the room. "I wanted to create music as an architectural condition," Eno told a press gathering at the museum. "I always wanted to make music that sat in one place as long as it can, until you get sick of it and shuffle off." Eno is currently talking to officials at London's Heathrow Airport about creating a room there, a place travelers can mellow out to his music and get away from the over-stimulation of the rest of the hectic terminals -- actual music for an actual airport. "When I started doing what I called 'ambient music' in the Seventies, people thought it was ludicrous to make music that didn't have a beat, a melody, a story, a voice, a beginning, an end," he said. "It just seemed like music without anything." Hearing it today, after so many others have followed his path, he said, it just sounds like normal music. So what about Eno's return to pop? His old band Roxy Music, with Bryan Ferry, is planning to reform and tour this summer, but he will not be joining them for shows or a record. "It's history. I'm not interested anymore. I mean, it's obvious why it's being done. Why does anyone have a reunion?" he said laughing. "They've suddenly been fired up with a whole bunch of incredible new ideas that have been lying dormant for the last twenty-five years? I just don't like the idea. It leaves a bad taste." As for Eno's take on more current popsters? "The Britney Spears way of making music is exactly like Hollywood," he said. "You have script writers, the rewriters, the remixers. There's forty separate departments. I don't particularly mind the music, but I hate the feeling that it's all processed. BRAD KAVA (February 23, 2001) Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:32:54 -0000 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: [AVALON] AMA, Wembley and General Stuff Hello! Me again. I've had no phoneline and therefore no internet for five days, so I've spent this afternoon catching up on all your AMA reviews. It sounds absolutely wonderful, and I really really wish I could have been there, but hopefully there will be something similar one day. I will be going to the Wembley gig, and I hope to see as many as possible of you there. It's right at the end of my exams, which will be nice :-) I won't get a chance to do anything outside the gig itself unless I make other arrangements, though, as I'm getting a coach to and from the gig. At the moment I don't really feel like joining in the hunt debate, because I don't think I'd have very much to say, but I don't know whether it would be a good idea to buy a *fake* fur stole for the tour . . . Bye for now. Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:45:30 -0800 From: "Pete Kohut" Subject: [AVALON] [Avalon]Mend Fences Vs. Heartfelt >I'm weighing in on this not to flame the fires but rather to respond to something said by Chris. It was suggested by Chris that Roxy Music should attend the festival (schedule allowing) because it would be a way of mending fences with the PC brigade. This implies that the people offended by Bryan's recent stance, are those who are offended only because it is politically correct to be offended. This belittles the real hurt being expressed by those who are pained by the suffering of these foxes. I for one could care less whether I'm the last one on the planet to hold these views. It also suggests that Bryan and Roxy should do the right thing for the wrong reasons. It suggests that Bryan/Roxy wouldn't attend for genuine Hearfelt reasons ie; concern for the homeless, but rather to mend fences. This seems like an awful shallow reason for his/their attendence. Throw away lines often ring true <
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___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:46:55 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! In a message dated 24/02/01 18:12:01 GMT Standard Time, Julialiva@aol.com writes: > <> Don't mention it, anytime. "JF" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:47:40 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! In a message dated 24/02/01 18:06:10 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > < matter John, the National Front Disco is opening late today?>> What a surprise getting a comment from you! I'm sure you and Juliawhateverhernameis are both one and the same, the Teutonic tones on your last line is a dead give-away, you speak good Englander, someone teach you? JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > What a surprise getting a comment from you! I'm sure you and > Juliawhateverhernameis are both one and the same, the Teutonic tones > on your last line is a dead give-away, you speak good Englander, > someone teach you? You got me, John--excellent sleuthing. But you missed that I'm also Marlana, Blank Frank, Han, Flangebracket, and Stockman. Better luck next time! Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:08:03 -0500 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] Editorial: Roxy Music Cashes In? Cashing In? Selling Out? Ho Hum in the Hum Drum Dull Drums. Far be it for me to even attempt to be the voice of reason as I am woefully under qualified. This debate about Roxy members selling out or simply cashing in seems to me such a moot and ludicrous point. Would you feel much better if they took up house painting or perhaps plumbing to make money in the future? Better yet let me put it to you this way: Do you think that there was ever a time in the past during the "real" Roxy Music days when they approached the promoter to say, "Hey look, I think you are paying us a bit too much here. Me and the lads have gotten together and decided we would feel much better about this tour and especially our material if you paid us less or not at all."? Has the radiation from our computer screens crazed our brains all together? What is about to happen is members of our favorite band are about to rejoin and perform what many of us consider to be some of the very best contemporary music we have heard in the last 30* years. ( * Insert your Age and subtract say 15 years for your actual answer ). Will it be like the early 70's Roxy; the Siren or Avalon days. No, No, and no. It will be completely different yet again and that is why I liked Roxy & Ferry to begin with. Each album evolved and changed and pulled contemporary music behind it as an engine pulls a train. I say we stop trying to micro manage these boys' careers. Stop trying to steer the train and sit back and enjoy this gorgeous landscape view once again. And you Mr. Reecey, (wink) permission granted, FACE FRONT! Anyway just my ta-pence Regards John Dillon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:16:40 -0600 From: "Paul Bodine" Subject: [AVALON] Live at Le Grand Rex I bought it for $25.99 Canadian -- including shipping -- from Samscd.com -- about US$17.50. A real bargain. It took about 10 days to arrive. Paul Bodine "I try to be fairly natural . . . given my levels of artifice." --B.F. >Speaking of DVDs, the other day someone posted >to the list that the new "Live in Paris" is now available in >the US as a >Region 1 DVD. Unfortunately, I can find no mention of >it on sites like >Express.com or Buy.com. Does anyone have any further >information? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:14:52 +0100 From: M Gus Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno at The Rolling Stone Web site >particularly mind the music, but I hate the feeling that it's all processed. I thought this was funny, coming from Eno who actually makes music without "real" (old fashioned) instruments. He IS the central processor unit! Gus - --- "I never drink... w i n e"-Count Dracula http://www.cs.vu.nl/~gagussek gagussek@cs.vu.nl - --- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:15:37 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Eno, cut the crap. > << Brian Eno has apparently told 'Rolling Stone' that the Reunion leaves a > bad > taste in his mouth. >> > It certainly speaks for Eno that he did not join; proofs he's more interested > in artistic steps rather than commercial ones. The only fiasco that I can think of is the way that people still think that Eno has any great musical talent. Sure he turns out wonderfully arty ambient projects, but then a monkey locked in a room with a load of synth's and a tape running would probably have turned out something similar. I'm a big fan of "Taking Tiger Mountain", but the musical direction on that had a lot to do with Phil Manzanera. There is a lot of myth about the genius of Mr Eno, and myth it truly is. He never was and never will be fit to be compared to Ferry when it comes to creativity. Before anybody starts bleating about his work with U2 lets set the record straight. A big percentage of their attraction come from the fact of where they come from and has sod all to do with quality of the music they perform. So what if they sell a lot of records, so does Brittany Spiers and the Backstreet Boys and I doubt if anybody who is sane would say that they are creating anything that is worthy of the ward artistic. In Scotland we have a very good description for the Eno's of the world, we call them "CHANCERS". Some of these guys end up sweeping the streets and others get adopted by the arty brigade and end up being lauded as something special. Well I hate to rain on their parade, but Eno is nothing more than a mediocre talent, and I for one an quite glad that he's not taking part in the Roxy reunion. If the band do end up in the studio I still don't see any great plus in having him involved. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:21:22 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: [AVALON] Maybe Eno is right? He is the one that said "Paul (Thompson, the drummer) wanted to be John Bonham. He really held it all together. Without Paul," he notes, without a trace of irony, "Roxy would have been art rock at its worst." From Q Issue 50, November 1990, by Robert Sandall http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/interviews/qmag90.html So, without Paul, this whole fiasco will be a joke... David ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:38:26 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno at The Rolling Stone Web site On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, M Gus wrote: > >particularly mind the music, but I hate the feeling that it's all > >processed. > > I thought this was funny, coming from Eno who actually makes music > without "real" (old fashioned) instruments. He IS the central > processor unit! I think this is perhaps a translation thing--I took Eno's comment to refer to the process of creating (or should that be "creating" in this case) music and the level of phoniness, for lack of a better word, present in artists like Britney Spears, NSync, etc. In comparision, despite his interest in electronica, Eno's work is much more natural and organic. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:41:29 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! In a message dated 2/24/01 11:34:41 AM, KWil632057@aol.com writes: > It certainly speaks for Eno that he did not join; proofs he's more > interested > in artistic steps rather than commercial ones. << Or that he realises he is a relatively small part of the Roxy canon. >> Or maybe he is emabarrased that he can't fit into the feathers anymore. I mean, thiry years later, who can? Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:50:42 EST From: Jimlan801@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno in tour taste fiasco!! did anyone anywhere who knows eno really think for the slightest moment that he would join a roxy music reunion tour?!! that was his artistic adolescence, however spectacular !! jim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:50:40 EST From: Jimlan801@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] solo plans i absolutely agree with julialiva that the greatness of 'bride' and 'mamouna' is due to their coming out of dark periods in his life. personal-artistic-focus. you are spot on. being torn between commercial motivation and pure expressive integrity has often been a big struggle for bryan ferry. he is drawn to them both and they are often opposites. as for now, i don't know exactly what he is going for. artistically, that is. i suppose this will be a more or less mainstream tour but i am hoping for something more soul-searching. i think you are right that he will not reach a fresh audience through this roxy revival that is going to explore his deepest darkest finest work. the freedom he has gained from the success of atgb includes the freedom to reform roxy, however. and the freedom of all the guys to cash in on their own work. isn't that partly why we work? somebody already mentioned that the airplane incident may have brought home to him how fragile life is. how limited our time is. and how great it would be to play live with roxy again. the two threads of solo/ roxy run side by side. same as it ever was! the money made from the tour could free him up from commercial considerations for the next project, even if selling more records will always be important as a matter of pride. his "more ambitious solo steps" can still be taken, just a little later. jim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #74 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest