From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #47 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, February 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] S&M in UK suburbia ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Trash/Seventeen [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] (WAY OFF TOPIC) My Own Veg! ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Ferry/Lempika [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Lempika [M Gus ] [AVALON] What John Walters said.... ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] It's a date ["Gary Sanders" ] Re: [AVALON] Paris DVD American Style ["Theresa Fagan" ] Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) ["Victor Hastin] Re: [AVALON] Fw: roxy dates [Pasi Toivo ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:48:11 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] S&M in UK suburbia I saw that in the Radio Times, but I decided against it. The Japanese Roxy tribute cd was a much better experience! SimonG >>> 02/08 11:54 pm >>> Just been watching a late night Channel 5 show on S&M parties. I couldn't believe it when Slave to Love featured on the soundtrack. Although masked, the people involved had a concrete garden....... Love Jonathan. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:39:03 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Trash/Seventeen >P.S.: Yes, pay me in Ferry tickets. Or make that Roxy tickets: Oh my God, that really was a Freudian slip! I meant Roxy tickets...always Roxy....never Ferry...oh....stammer...nurse the screens! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:49:53 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] (WAY OFF TOPIC) My Own Veg! >>> "Tim Kendrick" 02/08 12:56 pm >>> >You cook your own veg? My dear, you need to find yourself a nice girl. I have a nice girl, but she ain't much good in the kitchen! And she readily admits to that. And anyway, cooking is a very creative and rewarding process. When it goes right. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:04:36 -0000 From: "Mike Leigh" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: roxy dates Is there an official list of venues & dates for the proposed Roxy tour? I'd hate to miss the best seats! Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:46:05 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Lempika >and I do believe I saw a picture of Ferry. SimonG I don't think the cameras visited the upstairs shrine. The picture I think you saw was Tamara de Lempika's portrait of a very dodgy looking (female)aristo in jodhpurs, who from a distance, does in fact resemble Ferry. I have always felt Lempika's style directly mirrors a lot of what I like about Ferry's work. Outwardly stylish, inwardly dark, outwardly aloof, inwardly insecure, sexually ambivalent yet quite fragile. There are many of her paintings that could easily have inspired titles and lyrics. Chained and bound females seem to be a recurring theme. And there is an unfinished portrait of her husband swathed in dark overcoat peering menacingly out from under raven black hair, who could just be the man himself. I'm sure there must be a Tamara de Lempika site if anyone's interested. Jocelyn (now yesterday's news) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:54:00 +0100 From: M Gus Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Lempika http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-26153/lempica.htm "Tricky Mickey" seems to have some of her pictures online. Including the unfinished one. Cable internet makes me browse too much, gus - --- "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants." -Einstein http://www.cs.vu.nl/~gagussek gagussek@cs.vu.nl - --- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:03:10 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] What John Walters said.... A few days late I know, but it just came to me.... This is how Roxy got their first BBC session (thanks to Kiki's fab transcript of Radio One's Bryan Ferry Story series). Straight from the mouth of Walters. Well it was a rather strange business because Bryan Ferry turned up at the John Peel office, stuck his handsome head around the door. It turned out he knew me because I'd played with this jazz band in Newcastle, The Might As Yet Young Jazz Men, but apparently Bryan had been in the audience so he sort of knew me. It was very odd and he stuck his head around the door and was sort of "Hello I know you", also because he had been in the same University which was by that time Newcastle University The Fine Art Department. He'd been in the department at the time, just left y'know and then he joined a couple of years later. So it turned into one of those kind of whatever happened to Old Chalkey White kind of conversations, y'know. So I felt, well, y'know sit down, like, y'know cup of coffee and so on and then he produces the tape and he said "It's this band we've got, I'd like you to hear it, it's called Roxy". I said "Hang on there's an American band called Roxy, you can only get sort of one". He said "Yes we know that, we're going to have to change it, we're going to have to call it Roxy Music" so I said "Oh well I'll have a listen", put it on, and it was quite impressive because it was very different. I didn't know what Bryan did y'see, because I didn't ask him that, and he came back about a week later, stuck his head back around the door again, and I said "Oh yeah come in, come in". I said "Well it was quite impressive". I said "The vocalist with that kind of, sort of atonal kind of "aieeeeeooooeiiooo" sort of strange Larry the Lamb kind of things and leaping about I said "That was really interesting, made it stand out". He said "Oh good because, well actually I'm the vocalist". I thought "Oh God good, that's a relief". ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:13:51 -0000 From: "Gary Sanders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] It's a date Sheffield Arena tickets (19/6/01), on sale on Tuesday 13th Feb. - -----Original Message----- From: tommy peters To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 08 February 2001 17:41 Subject: Re: [AVALON] It's a date >Sheffield Arena 19.6.2001 tickets on sale tomorrow >----- Original Message ----- >From: M Gus >To: ASchulberg@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:11 PM >Subject: [AVALON] It's a date > > >> >Is this all surmise or does someone have the cities and dates? >> >> If not, will the dates be given at the Savoy conference next monday? >> >> Still doing a dance of hope for continental europe, >> >> Gus >> >> >> --- >> "We hope you will enjoy the show..." -Beatles >> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~gagussek gagussek@cs.vu.nl >> --- >> >> >> >___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:51:50 -0000 From: "Steve Humphries" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in the air Johnny, What?! No shows in mainland Europe or Asia Pacific? You'll never make your second hundred at this rate! Assuming the first date is in Dublin, will the UK Avalonians be chartering a plane to get there? ("we are flying down to Dublin........") Steve. - -----Original Message----- From: Reecey To: Avalonia Date: 08 February 2001 14:20 Subject: [AVALON] Roxy in the air >Must be something in the air today. >A true story. 2 customers in a row have just bought Roxy Albums. The first >one, a rather immaculate unplayed Island orig. of Stranded, which he was >quite deliriously happy to get. >The second, a regular customer, purchased a mint copy of Country Life. >"Are you going to see them" ? , I ventured. "Are they playing then, wow, >I've never seen them, excellent", said the man. I then told him to keep >eyes and ears peeled re tour dates. >"You're going, obviously" said he, hardly expection my reply of "well, I'll >go to about 6 UK dates I guess, and maybe 2 or 3 in the States too". > >"Yes, but you're a nutter", he replied. > >My customers know me. > >Reecey... > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:01:17 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Lempika In einer eMail vom 09.02.01 13:01:14 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com: << Outwardly stylish, inwardly dark, outwardly aloof, inwardly insecure, sexually ambivalent yet quite fragile. >> Yes, that's our man, Jocelyn, could not describe it (at least in English) any better. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:21:03 +0100 From: "linn van vliet" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: roxy dates Tanks very much Han, my mind is at ease... - ---------- >From: "Han Snijders" >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: roxy dates >Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2001, 9:12 > > Hi Linn, > As far as I know there are no tickets for sale in Holland yet. For this kind > of concerts MOJO is always the promoter. Every Tuesday they advertice in the > Art-supplement of 'de Volkskrant' and other papers I suppose. They always > advertise before ticketsales starts. > I'll keep my eyes wide open and mail to the list as soon as I know > something. > > Han > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:56:18 -0500 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paris DVD American Style Western hemisphere types: i was able to order the Paris DVD from a Canadian joint online : www.samtherecordman.com they say it's been shipped to me $26 Canadian -- should work in a US machine! - --TriTri ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] no light here On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Michael Hill wrote: > Why was your heart broken before? Are we talking Manifesto time>circa > 77? What was wrong with the tour back then? I'm really curious, cause > I thought the music was great from that time. Was it maybe not what > you expected/hoped for? I can imagine that it must have been a shock > compared to early 70's stuff, but, you never know, there may be > musical redemption of sorts for you this time round! There might be redemption but without a new album....well, it's doubtful. As for heartbreak, it's been that and more. But I do retain some hope. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:59:26 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Ton Darly wrote: > about religion; this is a *RM/BF* platform!) It's possible to build a > coherent 'RM/BF universe', containing a view on the lyrics, BF's > ambiguous relation to women, the album covers, the perfectness, and > more. But there is more to it than just that. I fear that this over-romanticizing of what Mr. Ferry's image and lyrics are about tends to try to take all the rough edges off and to emasculate him (I threw that in just so Simon could make fun of that word [don't disappoint me now]). He becomes this soft, effete aesthete. But that isn't what you get from the earlier work, is it? It's what he's become perhaps (and perhaps alas). But earlier, and perhaps even still, buried underneath, is the dangerous element of decadence. Of purposelessness with a purpose. Of pleasure for the sake of pleasure. Maybe in the ATGB era Ferry that has proven a barren vein to mine, but it was once a vital, and perhaps more threatening, force in his work. I must confess that this latest discussion of the idea of the sigh is as puzzling to me as the strong emotions the phrase "a perfumed sigh" brought out a year or so ago. Has something changed in Ferry's work that these sighs could in any way be construed as bored (in the bridge example) or somehow disgusting or distasteful (in the latter example)? If you want a metaphor for the sensuousness and the decadence of Ferry's work, wouldn't the sigh work extremely well? The sigh of pleasure and the sigh of being lost (in every sense of the word) in pleasure. The sort of feeling that keeps you from doing the things you need to do because the temptation to do otherwise is so great, and ultimately wins. Isn't that the threat at the heart of decadence--that pleasure will overcome duty, and that simply isn't allowed in our pragmatic workaday world? Has that sort of sigh become passe for many here? Or am I just revealing too much about myself? > Oh, I could talk talk talk myself to death... (sorry for this long > post) Why apologize? Talk some more, please. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:12:07 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) > But there is more to it than just that. I fear that this > over-romanticizing of what Mr. Ferry's image and lyrics are about tends to > try to take all the rough edges off and to emasculate him (I threw that in > just so Simon could make fun of that word [don't disappoint me now]). He > becomes this soft, effete aesthete. I wouldn't say that the perception of Ferry as a wussy aesthete is the mistaken result of over-romanticization. As far as I'm concerned, around 'F+B' that's _exactly_ what he had become: an arse-scratching bore. Which makes his later career all the more respectable; lots of artists become jaded and never pull out of the nosedive. > But that isn't what you get from the > earlier work, is it? It's what he's become perhaps (and perhaps alas). It's what he became. But I don't believe it's what he is now. > But earlier, and perhaps even still, buried underneath, is the dangerous > element of decadence. Of purposelessness with a purpose. Of pleasure for > the sake of pleasure. Maybe in the ATGB era Ferry that has proven a > barren vein to mine, but it was once a vital, and perhaps more > threatening, force in his work. Grrowl. Here's looking at you, kid. I don't know if that vein is as vital today as it was in the days of 'FYP,' but if you listen to, say, 'I'm In the Mood For Love,' you can hear echoes of the old Ferry: sensual, insistent and slightly menacing. > I must confess that this latest discussion of the idea of the sigh is as > puzzling to me as the strong emotions the phrase "a perfumed sigh" brought > out a year or so ago. Has something changed in Ferry's work that these > sighs could in any way be construed as bored (in the bridge example) or > somehow disgusting or distasteful (in the latter example)? If you want a > metaphor for the sensuousness and the decadence of Ferry's work, wouldn't > the sigh work extremely well? The sigh of pleasure and the sigh of being > lost (in every sense of the word) in pleasure. The sort of feeling that > keeps you from doing the things you need to do because the temptation to > do otherwise is so great, and ultimately wins. Isn't that the threat at > the heart of decadence--that pleasure will overcome duty, and that simply > isn't allowed in our pragmatic workaday world? Has that sort of sigh > become passe for many here? Or am I just revealing too much about myself? How about the sigh of regret as well? Regret over having loved and lost, over having sought out pleasure and found pain instead. Sounds like it fits the Ferry oeuvre as well. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:04:56 +0200 From: Pasi Toivo Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: roxy dates Hi Mike. Any dates are still unknown, I hope that I get them soon. PAsi At 11:04 9.2.2001 +0000, you wrote: >Is there an official list of venues & dates for the proposed Roxy tour? > >I'd hate to miss the best seats! > >Mike > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #47 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest