From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #44 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 06 : Number 044 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] no light here [Colleen Matan ] RE: R: R: [AVALON] Sighing bridge and silken Waters [Michael Hill ] Re: [AVALON] Trash/Seventeen ["C.H.Soetemann" ] Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) ["C.H.Soetemann] RE: [AVALON] no light here [Michael Hill ] RE: [AVALON] no light here [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] no light here - no key either ! ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] The Fez ["David Firmin" ] R: R: R: [AVALON] Sighing bridge and silken Waters and gondola too ["dani] [AVALON] Don't wanna know [jas2347@xsite.net] RE: [AVALON] Russian video ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] The Garden Stripped Bare By Her Gardeners Even ["Martin Stoc] Re: [AVALON] Russian video ["Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] no light here On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Michael Hill wrote: > I hope this new album makes an appearance soon, because it's rather > depressing to read so many negative E-mails about Bryan and the > reunion. "Disappointing"- be patient, man! I'm quite disappointed to > read so many of these sceptical statements. The best idea would be to > just wait for the album and the tour, and then decide whether to moan > or not! A word of preparation, if not warning--if you can't bear to read a critical word about Mr. Ferry, et. al., you'd better gird your loins for the next few months. The process of speculation and anticipation is not merely a Panglossian exercise, and there are many long-term members who will continue to express their sometimes critical opinions, which they are absolutely entitled to. And it will continue despite any whinging from other list members. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:30:39 +0000 From: Michael Hill Subject: RE: R: R: [AVALON] Sighing bridge and silken Waters Dare I ask what you mean by that? If I wasn't so innocent I'd say you were implying that I'm partial to a "gondola" up my sighing passage! Oh dear! The "other" way? ;-)) >===== Original Message From avalon@smoe.org ===== >I bet U prefere > >the " other" way >Micky!!! >me too > >:-))))) > >sospiranteDan > > >LOL LOL LOL > > > >-----Messaggio Originale----- >Da: "Michael Hill" >A: >Data invio: mercoledl 7 febbraio 2001 19.53 >Oggetto: RE: R: [AVALON] Sighing bridge > > >> Sorry, but I prefer the sexual interpretation! I was just thinking about >the >> word Sospiri, and thought I should add that Bryan cleverly sings this song >in >> a "sospiranto" style, Italian musical terminology for "sighing." As you of >> course know Dan, being Italian! :) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:49:17 +0000 From: stevesiren Subject: [AVALON] a mad affair, Will there be any Roxy connected people at the mad affair next week? Is it worth bringing my camera? Will Jocelyn be doing a video signing? Steve. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 23:58:53 +0100 From: "C.H.Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash/Seventeen Dear Frdulein Fiske, as it is, the lyric you have so kindly shared with me points to nothing else than a completely incurable phallic obsession that finds a manifestation in an anal-regressive-sadistic-masochistic-heterohomobitriquatrostagionisexual impulsive pooftah neurosis. Worried? I can assure you: only if you wrote lyrics such as "blablabla think twice: cause it's another day for you and me in paradise" you'd suffer from the worst psychopathological problem of all: commercial psychosis joined by an artistic nadir. Will you please send the $ 7000 to my private address. With best wishes, Sigm. Freud - ---------- >Von: Jocelyn Fiske >An: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Betreff: RE: [AVALON] Trash/Seventeen >Datum: Mit, 7. Feb 2001 18:19 Uhr > >>Indeed, regarded in a psychoanalyst-orthodox way, an interpretation > >concerning sexual intercourse (huh?) is well possible. > > > >Dear Herr Freud, > >I'm in two minds about the lyrics to Grace Jones' Pull Up To My Bumper, baby >in your long black limousine, pull up to my bumper baby, drive it in >between. > >Please help. > > > >Confused. (sigh!) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 23:58:48 +0100 From: "C.H.Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) I have to admit that my shot at a quick interpretation of some of the ASFE lyrics that were mentioned is of course -on a very superficial level- utilizing some of the most popular items of the psycho-analytic theory of symbols, but the sexual content is quite obvious, isn't it? It'd be possible to dive very deep in some of Ferry's lyrics, I'd agree: often we could find many layers - but then, there is a layer for each individual coming into interpretive contact with the lyric. I remember Bryan confirming in some interview he has had some psychotherapeutic experience, but honestly, I might appear a bit of a clinical lifeless know-all brat when discussing the music in this way - for the most part, I just listen to it in a very emotional way rather than approach it on a more intellectual level, which is of course a feasible way as well (or a combination of both, it's not either-or). For example, I still don't know what the line "easing out of time" from Which Way To Turn really means (damn my limited understanding of the English language), but the music and my personal perspective of the song give me such a complex feeling of world-weariness and melancholy that I honestly do not believe you have to understand every single expression to come close to the music. It's great and important to be able to read Bryan's lyrics, but for me at least, it's the sound of his voice that makes his music so very unique. A final example: last year I have been to a concert by an Icelandic group called Sigur Rss. I did not understand a word, but the SOUNDS were so gorgeous, so enchanting that I'd rank it amongst the top musical moments of my life (the only top moments anyway...). Sorry, have gotten a bit lengthy. Christian P.S.: KB, I'd agree: a "key" to the lesbian video imagery (wouldn't that be a good name for a group: Lesbian Video Imagery? No? Sorry.) might be that Bryan represents the odd man out, the unwanted - "more than you need". This would fit in with his main lyrical topic of a lonely alienated individual drifting restlessly through a world of luxury he could never really make his own... - ---------- >Von: "Ton Darly" >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Nature of BF's oeuvre (was: Trash/Seventeen) >Datum: Mit, 7. Feb 2001 20:17 Uhr > >And here we touch the original question by KBP: the poly-lateral nature. >Many of BF's lyrics have a complex structure. You need to read 'between the >lines', discover the hidden layers. Some knowledge of psycho-analysis may be >helpful. (By the way, Christian, ever studied IN YOUR MIND? I'm sure, BF >must be familiar with the shrink's couch!). ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:58:58 +0000 From: Michael Hill Subject: RE: [AVALON] no light here In no way am I whinging. I am simply hoping for a great tour. Why worry and be critical at such an early stage? The best idea is to be excited and hope for the best. It's not nice to imply that I am whinging, or being narrow-minded, since I myself have, in my darkest moments, feared a bad tour. But then I remember that this is Roxy we are anticipating; not some group of revivalist hippies; but a musically vital avant-garde group. Please don't assume that I am being anything other than optimistic, and please Colleen, do stop with the cutting comments. They're not necessary. Feel free to express your own opinions, but don't interpret incorrect meanings from those of others on the list. I can take people criticising Bryan, but when there has not been an actual event yet to criticise, it's a bit unreasonable. If the tour were to fail, then I would readily analyse and criticise, but for now, I'm way too excited to worry, as I'm sure you are really! Let's not have anymore bickering please! :) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:23:45 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] no light here Michael, I realize you are being optimistic. And the skeptics amongst us are tolerating it without constantly asking you to stop. All I am asking is for the same courtesy in return for those of us who have had our hearts broken before. > list. I can take people criticising Bryan, but when there has not been > an actual event yet to criticise, it's a bit unreasonable. If the tour But what else are mailing lists for, but to speculate about events which haven't happened yet, records we haven't heard yet, catalogue numbers which have not been assigned yet, and the like? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:44:46 -0800 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] no light here - no key either ! Colleen craftily baits the hook: > But what else are mailing lists for, but to speculate about events which > haven't happened yet, records we haven't heard yet, catalogue numbers > which have not been assigned yet, and the like? Catalogue numbers ? What ? Where ? Did I miss a good thread here ?? Oh, I miss those good old WIP and ILPS numbers, you know ... WIP 6144, ILPS 9200, now *those* are proper catalogue numbers, not like these anonymous new-fangled things they assign nowadays, no style ... mumble ... mutter ... POLH001 - what good's *that* to anyone ... (oh, bloody 'ell, he's off again ! - Ed.) Regards, Ive. Who still loves that ol' ILPS 9232, but ... 2302 074 ? Brilliant album, sure, but what a dull catalogue number - now HELP 16, that was a good one ... (shut up ! - Ed.) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 1980 00:53:22 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Vintage Disappointment. Just found the following description of the "Vintage" cd on the n-m-c website. No doubt most will be as disapointed with the content as myself. I had heard stories that it was to contain Amazona, Mother of Pearl and Pyjamarama as it seems that it is not to be. Who knows with the reformation and tour there may still be hope. Cheers, Tom. Second volume of the German TV Musikladen performances. After the successful, "Valentine" this album features further rare performances by one of the UK's most stylish and bizarre cult bands. This totally unreleased Roxy Music from 1974 & 1975 includes a solo performance by Brian Ferry of Dylan's, "A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall". Specially packaged to accommodate the Roxy Music Album cover trend utilising specially commissioned photographs. 1. Out Of The Blue 2. Psalm 3. If It Takes All Night 4. Editions Of You 5. A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:17:21 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jocelyn Fiske: Superstar Wow. When's the garden party then? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:18:55 -0800 From: Ida M Miller Subject: [AVALON] Russian video A big THANK YOU to Maria ... the Russian interview video arrived today. I'll get it to my friend this weekend for conversion to NTSC, and then I'll post instructions for getting copies. HOORAY ...... thanks again, Maria! Ida ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:18:38 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: [AVALON] The Fez I just heard Frank Sinatra's "Someone to Watch Over Me" and thought, this would be a great tune for Ferry to cover. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:45:34 +0100 From: "danilo" Subject: R: R: R: [AVALON] Sighing bridge and silken Waters and gondola too Jeeezzzzz I knew my english was not enough improved :-)))))) LOL Well we can assume that Ferry was not just a tourist in Venice .... :-)))))))))))))))) ...maybe He was dreaming about taking a walk with a black panther and Amanda Lear in S.Marco square ? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))) ciao still sleeping dan :-) - -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: "Michael Hill" A: Data invio: mercoledl 7 febbraio 2001 23.30 Oggetto: RE: R: R: [AVALON] Sighing bridge and silken Waters > Dare I ask what you mean by that? If I wasn't so innocent I'd say you were > implying that I'm partial to a "gondola" up my sighing passage! Oh dear! The > "other" way? ;-)) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 23:40:58 -0600 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Don't wanna know I stand corrected. The second stop on the Siren tour was at the Uptown (which is, BTW, the "burned-out-theatre" in themovie "Backdraft"). For some reason I remembered the first Siren stop as being at Uptown. oops... Andrew In Chicago Oh great! You were 15 and stoned and I was 20 and OUT OF MY MIND in the south suburbs(HARVEY) thinking why I was not there for both shows. I do know at that time that I had not ventured that far north into the city so the Uptown and the Rivera ( when it was movie theatre) were foreign to me. Now I live down the street from both. Sigh... as time goes by (sorry folks could not help it). We'll have a really good time when Roxy returns. Jas Fool for the city ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:50:56 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Russian video I agree, I would also like to thank Maria for her kindness in sending the Russian interview tape. I was a bit disappointed with it at first, because of the intrusive Russian translation, but now that I have listened right through there are some great moments in it. I never knew that Ferry's grasp of Russian was so great. He nods sagely through the convoluted questions before launching immediately into his (English) answers. Unfortunately Bryan uses the same interview answers the world over; there was plenty of 'coal miner' 'university' 'my lyrics come from within' 'art' and 'style' references. The only new thing I picked up was the Ferry has a couple of black and white Irish gypsy horses. Ferry, immaculate in a blue suit paired with a mauve silk shirt, really was a great trouper in somewhat trying circumstances, as there were a few technical hitches. At one such event the interviewer leaned forward to apologise, adding somewhat disconcertingly in a stage whisper: "all technicians are bastards, but the biggest bastards of all work in television..." There is a grainy but great MTV clip at the end, which shows Ferry's 55th birthday party in Moscow. A Russian girl sings 'Happy Birthday' a la Monroe, before another girl, (accompanied by a topless friend) brings in not one but two birthday cakes. The girl holds the cakes as if they were her breasts as a sheepish Ferry leans forward to blow out the candles. It's a moment straight out of a Carry-On film...Carry On Up The Kremlin perhaps... The tape has a couple of video inserts, and I was a little bit surprised to see myself (and some other Avalonians) in one of them, a performance of LST from the Royal Festival Hall! As I also have a starring role on the Paris DVD, fellow Avalonians, (as a blurry blob in the crowd - typecast again) the challenge goes out to you. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get your name or face on an official Roxy product...one of the summer gigs is bound to be filmed. After last night, my money's on Jocelyn getting featured next... This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds... Chris ;0p - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ida M Miller Sent: 08 February 2001 03:19 To: AVALON mailing list Subject: [AVALON] Russian video A big THANK YOU to Maria ... the Russian interview video arrived today. I'll get it to my friend this weekend for conversion to NTSC, and then I'll post instrustions fr gettizg copiec. HO[RAY ...>.. thanos again( Maria! Ida _[_______[_______[_______K_______O_______K_______O_______[_______K_______O_ The wubliminable foo`er says* To unwub, mai| majordomo@smoe*org witx: unsuvscribe qvalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:37:00 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Garden Stripped Bare By Her Gardeners Even A triumph Jocelyn. Bravo. And your houseboy is quite the hunk ! Shall keep July, indeed a thousand Julys, free for your al fresco dinner party, Martini ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:33:15 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Russian video I received mine too. I'll get copying and alert UK Avalonia. - ---------- >From: Ida M Miller >To: AVALON mailing list >Subject: [AVALON] Russian video >Date: Thu, Feb 8, 2001, 3:18 am > > A big THANK YOU to Maria ... the Russian interview video arrived today. > > I'll get it to my friend this weekend for conversion to NTSC, and then > I'll > post instructions for getting copies. > > HOORAY ...... thanks again, Maria! > > > Ida > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:43:09 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Garden Stripped Bare By Her Gardeners Even In a message dated 2/8/01 12:55:09 AM, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: << A triumph Jocelyn. Bravo. And your houseboy is quite the hunk ! Shall keep July, indeed a thousand Julys, free for your al fresco dinner party, >> So when do we avalonians in the states get to see this? Perhaps as a DVD extra on the Russian Video? Andrew in CHicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:03:44 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: [AVALON] Paris DVD [was The money grabbers] The company issuing the DVD is Virgin. The company that issued ATGB was Virgin. Could there really be that much difficulty getting the DVD rights to the promo material for ATGB? BTW, on my copy of the DVD the Audio and "Meet the band" sections don't work. I suppose I'm lucky that the concert footage plays OK. For the record, I *love* the concert footage! The sound in particular is fabulous. And for the most part I like the arrangements a lot. Full marks to Colin Good. (And to that other bloke; what's his name... Ferrari or something...) Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 07 February 2001 22:00 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] The money grabbers On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Guy Lawley wrote: > I agree on the DVD though. "Extra's" are one reason why the huge cost > mark-up of a DVD is worth paying; a couple of promo vids and an > interview wouldn't have been that difficult to add on, would they? This is a common complaint and one of the underlying reasons so many times these things aren't included is that if the company issuing the DVD doesn't have the rights to the other materials the cost becomes even more prohibitive. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #44 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest