From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #33 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, January 29 2001 Volume 06 : Number 033 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Remade/Reformed/Refill please ["Reecey" ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Why new material? ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Sunday TImes [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Tour 2001 [BILL GILLAM ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Tour 2001 [BILL GILLAM ] Re: [AVALON] Amanda Lear picture sleeve [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Trash [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Why new material? ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Why new material? [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Trash 2 ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? [Julialiva@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Trash [terry.lane@rs-components.com] [AVALON] Roxy Reunion [Bruce MacQueen ] Re: [AVALON] Why new material? [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Tour 2001 ["Prince of Happiness" ] Re: [AVALON] Trash [David Firmin ] [AVALON] I have to ask: [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] The Heavenly Jukebox ["Rod LeCloux" ] Re: [AVALON] I have to ask: [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] New for old [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] Roxy Music ["Tracy Connell" ] [AVALON] Roxy Tour - West Coast? [Helchat@aol.com] [AVALON] Unconfirmed dates. ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] I have to ask: ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] Remade/Reformed/Refill please [stevesiren Subject: [AVALON] Remade/Reformed/Refill please The recent news has certainly stoked up the fires in preparation for some great times to come this summer, for sure. I have no doubt that this will also mean many Avalonian meet-ups at various places around the globe a-la the As Time Goes By Tour, so it looks like party hats are in preparation for going on once again, and I can hardly wait. Meanwhile, in preparation for our 'A Mad Affair' meet up in London, it has been suggested to me that as so many people will be converging on London sometime on the Fri evening (16th Feb), it may be an idea for a little pre-party drinks session on that evening too. My god, I can feel the hangover coming on even now. So, suggestions for a central venue that a few of us can wander into anytime during the Friday evening, for a bit of pre-party and reformation Roxy and Ferry chat anyone ? Latest update on the event itself - only 5 tickets remaining. Everyone who has reserved and paid for their Tickets should now have them, as they were all mailed out last week. I have been 'deflecting' a high number of mails coming to me concerning which Videos/TV appearances etc will be shown on the night - but hey, to save me from getting lynched I'd better give you a clue, to whet the appetite. Suffice to say, all styles served here, and we will screen approx 45 mins of material late in the evening. Let's just say that if you've heard of the infamous ' lost for ever' Ferry/Twiggy 'Wonderful World duet' TV appearance, you may be pleasantly surprised. And didn't Roxy Music have an early appearance on London TV way, way back when the marvellous 'Grey Lagoons' was still carrying it's earlier title of 'The Bogus Man part 2' ? Well, I can barely remember. Wouldn't it be great if we could all see those appearances again, eh ? Shame they were probably scrubbed many many years ago, and don't exist now. Yours, teasing, Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:49:58 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash [avalon-digest V6 #32] On 29 Jan 2001, at 4:05, Guy wrote: > Am I the only one who thinks Trash is a sadly neglected gem? No, you're not. The lows on Manifesto can often cover up the highs. And it doesn't get much lower than Cry Cry Cry, does it? (An appalling song with the worst piece of flangeing in rock history - outchycoo park.) Except for most of F+B, that is!! Manifesto, Trash, Stronger Through The Years, Ain't That So and Spin Me Round remain favourites of mine. And I did enjoy seeing the first re-incarnation (back from the grave) at Leicester in 1979. I may well go to see them this time out, having enjoyed the last Ferry tour so much. I'm sort of disappointed that there's no studio album, but at least that can't be used as an excuse not to release a new Ferry elpee. They'll have to think of something else! Perhaps there will be a track on a new album featuring AM and PM (and BE?)? But the timing of the reunion does smack a little of desperation - a truly resurgent Ferry would surely follow up ATGB and his undeniably higher (UK/European) profile with a strong album of new material, surely? He doesn't feel he needs Roxy Music as a walking stick? However, to assuage the fans (sic), I hope that the buggers win me over! David (42 on Wednesday - Happy Birthday to PM for Thursday) (np The Magnetic Fields, 69 Love Songs - not all of them simultaneously!) - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:06:45 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? Anyone knows what will happen with the announced release of a new BF album in spring? I'm afraid that a Roxytour means no new material for the next year! I must say that I'm on the sceptical side too. Colleen said it very well: it's the difference between making and playing music. The information we have so far gives me the idea that it's a dead-end street. Big fun, nothing less, nothing more. Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:34:27 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? Whats wrong with fun? In a message dated 29/01/01 12:16:35 GMT Standard Time, snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: << The information we have so far gives me the idea that it's a dead-end street. Big fun, nothing less, nothing more. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:30:14 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Why new material? Finally, the good news we've all been waiting for! Thanks to "the management" for announcing it on Friday - my email account was rather overloaded this morning. What an excitable bunch we are! An issue that keeps cropping up is the prospect of new Roxy material. My question is why? There's absolutely no need for the ROXY name to be used again for such a purpose, let's just have the nostalgia trip and enjoy it for what it is! Last year I went to concerts by The Who, The Wonder Stuff and The Posies. All three bands have disbanded as creative/recording units, and it changed the whole emphasis of the shows. There was no new material to promote, no pressure from record companies and managers to push a certain product (but plenty of merchandise!). As a result the bands enjoyed the shows as much as the audience. We all agree that Roxy did some damn good songs in their lifetime, so what's wrong with wanting to celebrate that? I'm sure they'll relish the opportunity to perform these songs again, so why does there have to be new music? No doubt it would change the dynamic of the tour and strain the relationship between them. I also can't see why Ferry would want to use that name again for new material. Nothing is stopping them from working together on new material, they have done since the split. Take a look at the credits on Ferry's solo albums and all but 3 (? from memory) feature Manzanera and Mackay guesting in some form. Hell, he even used to use Paul Thompson! The creative Roxy story ended with Avalon (others would suggest earlier), and I would feel uncomfortable with that name being used again for new material. The reasons for this reunion and the 1979 reunion are totally different. Ferry isn't retreating to the safe haven of an established name, he's built up his solo career and the ATGB tour proved he's still a popular live attraction. My feeling is that this reunion has been inspired by the incredible reaction to those old songs on the tour (Street Life, Chance Meeting, Out Of The Blue, Bitter Sweet, Virginia Plain). He finally had a group of musicians who could do justice to these songs (even the tinkering drummer improved by the time of the outdoor shows). One can only hope that he will use the Bryan Ferry Big Band (strings and horns and Julia) enhanced by Phil and Andy, with a bloody good rock 'n' roll drummer and a top notch bass player. Another factor is probably the remastering of the back catalogue. I don't know how successful the sales have been, but in interviews around the time Ferry was hinting even then that it would be a good idea for Roxy to have another crack at these songs. And this reunion is probably the final chance we'll get to hear these things before they (and particularly Ferry) get to old to do them justice. I've always been a Roxy fan first, Ferry second, but I'm just really looking forward to the tour and will make it to as many shows as I can (although I'll never match JOB for dedication nor Reecey's incredible tally). I also look forward to a new Bryan Ferry album, with or without Phil and Andy. See you there! SimonG PS Sorry it's a little long, but I've read all yours!!! :-) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:42:17 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Sunday TImes I've been thinking a bit about the piece in Sunday Times about Roxy reform. I think I'm a bit pissed off... This is my whole statement: > I find myself wondering at the reasons behind this. Lack of money? > A reunion after 18 years can of course be great fun, a nostalgia fest > for the die hard fans who'll be moved to tears (certainly me!) upon hearing > the old songs perfomed by the boys again, but there's always the risk that > the whole affair will be uncomfortably pathetic. > But Roxy Music was always about style, and hopefully they can pull this > one off too. The Roxy numbers were handled with great care during Bryan > Ferry's As Time Goes By tour last year. > If they _do_ go on tour, I hope they'll have the decency to include Paul > "The Great" Thompson in the lineup. Unfortunately, The Sunday TImes skipped the part about "Roxy was always about style". Therefore, the impression is that I do not want the group to reform, which I of course want... /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, webansvarig Vstersunds-Postens redaktion 063-161659 http://www.op.se ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:53:47 -0600 From: BILL GILLAM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Tour 2001 ABSOLUTELY! Judy Kaufman wrote: > From: "BILL GILLAM" > > > DALLAS, MEMPHIS, NEW ORLEANS!!! > > I am willing to drive to any of the above!!!! > > > > Bill, > > May I sign on as your co-driver? > > Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:57:40 -0600 From: BILL GILLAM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Tour 2001 OK! I am willing to drive there too!!!! I am new to the "South" .. so I sure don't want to inadvertently place any limits! Maggie Curran wrote: > Great choices! But could we also consider Norfolk and Atlanta? > Any of these five locations would be outstanding. Let's hope!!! > > >Bill wrote "DALLAS, MEMPHIS, NEW ORLEANS!!! > I'm willing to drive to any of the above." > > >Judy wrote "May I sign on as your co-driver?" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:58:08 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Amanda Lear picture sleeve Oh my God! He looks perfectly lecherous! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:13:53 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash < Am I the only one who thinks Trash is a sadly neglected gem? > Guy, I love Trash! Can anyone help me out with this? - From the lyrics, I garner that Seventeen is in reference to the glamor mag, its models, ands the model career thing. Is it or do have I missed the true meaning of Trash? Corny, but I do love that dated keyboard sound - the song has real pep and a good-feel to me. I seem to remember Trash as the first thing I'd heard by Roxy Music. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:31:59 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash Trash 2, however was rubbish!!! In a message dated 29/01/01 14:26:47 GMT Standard Time, kbporte@attglobal.net writes: << Guy, I love Trash! Can anyone help me out with this? - From the lyrics, I garner that Seventeen is in reference to the glamor mag, its models, ands the model career thing. Is it or do have I missed the true meaning of Trash? Corny, but I do love that dated keyboard sound - the song has real pep and a good-feel to me. I seem to remember Trash as the first thing I'd heard by Roxy Music. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:38:55 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why new material? And not forgetting Jocelyn! She's been there since day one and will enjoy it more than any of us!!! :-) SimonG >>> "Simon Galloway" 01/29 1:30 pm >>> I've always been a Roxy fan first, Ferry second, but I'm just really looking forward to the tour and will make it to as many shows as I can (although I'll never match JOB for dedication nor Reecey's incredible tally). I also look forward to a new Bryan Ferry album, with or without Phil and Andy. See you there! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:50:49 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Why new material? I shall be boycotting the tour in the true spirit of this list. I'd much rather stay in with my Alzheimer's and a cup of cocoa. Anyway, why bother going on tour when they're guesting at A Mad Affair - oh shit, that's blown the surprise. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [mailto:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] Sent: 29 January 2001 14:39 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why new material? And not forgetting Jocelyn! She's been there since day one and will enjoy it more than any of us!!! :-) SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:01:55 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash 2 >>> 01/29 2:31 pm >>> >Trash 2, however was rubbish!!! I like both versions. Trash has the urgency of early Roxy (top pop song) and was a great live song, whereas Trash 2 is a more "contemporary" arrangement in line with the rest (best) of Manifesto, with the weird wiggy out bits counteracting the soft organ. >but I do love that dated keyboard sound Dated? That was positively modern!!! I also like both versions of Manifesto. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:09:46 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? In einer eMail vom 29.01.01 13:16:35 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt snijders.geest@hetnet.nl: << Anyone knows what will happen with the announced release of a new BF album in spring? >> Ferry has made a (more money-wise) decision; good to hear you jointhe sceptical league. He won't have time for a new album and it would also destroy the record-company plans to sell Roxy-albums again - it's such an easier way to make money, isn't it? Am I going too far to suppose that his cerative life has come to an end? I would feel much happier if they would at least record a new album and tour to promote these songs; until now I could never imagine Ferry to turn on to the "fun & money" side, what a sad experience! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:46:37 -0000 From: terry.lane@rs-components.com Subject: RE: [AVALON] Trash Trash is an excellent track but I actually prefer the b side, Trash 2. Does anyone else prefer this track. Terry - -----Original Message----- From: KB Porter [mailto:kbporte@attglobal.net] Sent: 29 January 2001 14:14 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash < Am I the only one who thinks Trash is a sadly neglected gem? > Guy, I love Trash! Can anyone help me out with this? - From the lyrics, I garner that Seventeen is in reference to the glamor mag, its models, ands the model career thing. Is it or do have I missed the true meaning of Trash? Corny, but I do love that dated keyboard sound - the song has real pep and a good-feel to me. I seem to remember Trash as the first thing I'd heard by Roxy Music. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon *************************************************************** The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. If you are not the intended recipient of this Email you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this mail in error please Email the sender. *************************************************************** RS Components Ltd. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:16:04 -0500 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Reunion Ya know, if you think it's a cash grab of fading stars, then vote with your wallet and feet and don't go! More room for me and the folks who will never tire of good music and the performer's willingness to suffer life on the road for our enjoyment! Viva Roxy Music!! (Back to blissful lurking) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:22:22 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why new material? In einer eMail vom 29.01.01 14:52:12 (MEZ) Mitteleuropdische Zeit schreibt SIMONG@jazzfm.com: << I'm sure they'll relish the opportunity to perform these songs again, so why does there have to be new music? >> For a serious artist it is absolutely life-necessary to develop. Creativity is what keeps the you going; I always thought the admirers of Ferry & Roxy were like-minded, felt the same AND were more than an audience who stands still and loves to see ( I think you call it BOF in Britain) the so called "good old times". It's a slap in the face and Ferry does risk all the respect his had build up over the years - seems not important to him anymore. It's natural to stay criticial, even towards the things you like (usually even more b e c a u s e you like it so much!); personally I am very upset about the things happening now. Not really the fact of a Roxy-reunion but the way it gets handled, the pure money-interest, the lack of creativity, the lack of any further ambition, that's what annoys me the most - especially after this brilliant "comeback" Ferry had with ATGB. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:23:06 -0600 From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Tour 2001 > > Bill, > > > > May I sign on as your co-driver? > > > > Judy If any of "y'all" are in New Orleans, at Pirate's Alley, a bartender there, a young lady in black and...interesting hair is quite the Ferry fan. I'm sure she'd be quite excited to hear of the Roxy reunion. Also on Saturdays, at the club called the Shim Sham, in the French Quarter, much Roxy Music gets played there if you need to get your fix! Mind the tall transvestites. The Prince of Happiness "Well she's a total blam blam/She said she had to squeeze it/and then she, then she..."-David Bowie, "Sufferagette City" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:29:31 EST From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash Trash sound like a parody of Roxy Music to me; the lyrics are ever so pretentious (we've been through Duchamp many times before!) - I much prefer the title track "Manifesto"; some of the finest lyrics Ferry has ever written in that days! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:35:03 -0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Why new material? And I thought the 102 stood for Studio 102 rather than your age! ;-))) A. >From: Jocelyn Fiske >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: RE: [AVALON] Why new material? >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:50:49 -0000 > >I shall be boycotting the tour in the true spirit of this list. > >I'd much rather stay in with my Alzheimer's and a cup of cocoa. > >Anyway, why bother going on tour when they're guesting at A Mad Affair - oh >shit, that's blown the surprise. > > > >Jocelyn > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Simon Galloway [mailto:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] >Sent: 29 January 2001 14:39 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why new material? > > >And not forgetting Jocelyn! She's been there since day one and will enjoy >it >more than any of us!!! :-) > > > >SimonG > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:42:52 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? Crikey! Another one not going to see this tour? They'll be playing to empty houses at this rate... For Heavens sake, snap out of it! Its gonna be great!!!!! love Jonathan In a message dated 29/01/01 15:38:16 GMT Standard Time, Julialiva@AOL.COM writes: << Ferry has made a (more money-wise) decision; good to hear you jointhe sceptical league. He won't have time for a new album and it would also destroy the record-company plans to sell Roxy-albums again - it's such an easier way to make money, isn't it? Am I going too far to suppose that his cerative life has come to an end? I would feel much happier if they would at least record a new album and tour to promote these songs; until now I could never imagine Ferry to turn on to the "fun & money" side, what a sad experience! >> ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:58:14 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Whats wrong with fun? Nothing, I'm an expert in having fun. But I expect more from my favouritas. The last tour was in my opinion so interesting because I had the idea that it lead Bryan to a new way of recording. I would really be trilled if he done some new material with the ATGBband and returns to the output of the early seventies. I want to be touched by Bryan's creativity, that last more than just a nostalgia tour. I'll wait and see and have fun in the meantime, indeed, nothing wrong with that. Han Btw a few weeks ago our own Iron lady Jocelyn told us that Zev Katz (spelling???), Colin Good and Lucy Wilkins will join the new Roxy. - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: <> Aan: Verzonden: maandag 29 januari 2001 13:34 Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's new album???? > > > In a message dated 29/01/01 12:16:35 GMT Standard Time, > snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: > > << The information we > have so far gives me the idea that it's a dead-end street. Big fun, nothing > less, nothing more. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:22:43 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sunday TImes It's always the same with those bloody journalists! - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: Kicki Gustafsson Aan: Verzonden: maandag 29 januari 2001 13:42 Onderwerp: [AVALON] Sunday TImes > I've been thinking a bit about the piece in Sunday Times about Roxy reform. > I think I'm a bit pissed off... > This is my whole statement: > > > I find myself wondering at the reasons behind this. Lack of money? > > A reunion after 18 years can of course be great fun, a nostalgia fest > > for the die hard fans who'll be moved to tears (certainly me!) upon hearing > > the old songs perfomed by the boys again, but there's always the risk that > > the whole affair will be uncomfortably pathetic. > > But Roxy Music was always about style, and hopefully they can pull this > > one off too. The Roxy numbers were handled with great care during Bryan > > Ferry's As Time Goes By tour last year. > > If they _do_ go on tour, I hope they'll have the decency to include Paul > > "The Great" Thompson in the lineup. > > Unfortunately, The Sunday TImes skipped the part about "Roxy was always > about style". > Therefore, the impression is that I do not want the group to reform, which > I of course want... > > /Kicki G > > ------------------------ > Kicki Gustafsson, webansvarig > Vstersunds-Postens redaktion 063-161659 > http://www.op.se > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:57:39 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trash On Manifesto, I think the title track is the best. Great bass and drums. on 1/29/01 7:29, Julialiva@aol.com at Julialiva@aol.com wrote: > Trash sound like a parody of Roxy Music to me; the lyrics are ever so > pretentious (we've been through Duchamp many times before!) - I much prefer > the title track "Manifesto"; some of the finest lyrics Ferry has ever written > in that days! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] I have to ask: Why are people taking these comments so personally? How can these polite, reasoned (albeit impassioned at times) responses evoke such sarcastic, rude responses? So some people think the reunion is the greatest thing since sliced bread and others are preferring to reserve judgement. Why call them names and berate them? Unless, of course, the people doing so are Bryan, Andy, and Phil in disguise. Then of course we understand your petulance. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:13:04 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: [AVALON] The Heavenly Jukebox Hello, There's a great article on music piracy/mp3's/copyrights ect at www.theatlantic.com/jukebox called "The Heavenly Jukebox". After reading it especially regarding the section about copyrights I began to wonder how does Bryan Ferry actually make any money off of ATGB. There are 3 parts to copyright laws. It's essentially a triple royalty system. The three parts are: sales of a disc as a whole, performance rights" for performances of the the songs from the CD (on radio or MTV, for instance) and "mechanical rights" for for copies of each song made on CD, sheet music, and the like. The article has some good examples of how artist don't make any money under the triple royaly scheme. It also explains all the "charges" that go back to the artist for promotion and recording time which can leave the artist with little earnings. Further more they go on to say that you need to sell about a million units to break even. So, does Bryan make the bulk of the money off of the advance from the record label and touring(live performances)? Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:38:11 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] I have to ask: Because most fans are excited and looking forward to having a Roxy summer. The negativity and OTT harping on is destructive for those of us who are interested in seeing the lads play live. I'm too young to have seen them the first time and it comes across that you oldies are trying to spoil our fun.. Lots of Love Jonathan In a message dated 29/01/01 16:29:03 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: << Why are people taking these comments so personally? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:27:01 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] New for old >Btw a few weeks ago our own Iron lady Jocelyn told us that Zev Katz (spelling???), Colin Good and Lucy Wilkins will join the new Roxy. Han Call me old fashioned, but I happen to think that this tour will throw up reworkings of old Roxy standards along the way as opposed to a full set of note for note nostalgia. Colin Good's involvement points to that, it was his arranging skills that impressed Ferry most on the last tour, and it was, of course, Colin's arrangements of Chance Meeting and Sunset that took us all by surprise when we first heard them. I would be enthralled to see what he would make of If There Is Something (for example). I agree with one of the previous postings (sorry I can't remember by whom, I spent this morning wading through @ 325 e-mails) that it looks likely that the "If Roxy got together again what would you like to hear them play" list on Phil Manzanera's site would form the basis of the set. I for one will peruse it at my leisure and imagine which ones will benefit most from "The Good Touch". As for all you young whippersnappers who aren't all ennui-ed out, you have a real treat in store. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:56:28 -0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music Hi everyone, Just to put my 2 cents in. I think it's great that Roxy have got back together to tour. Don't know why some people are complaining about it. I seem to remember seeing endless mails over that last you of people wishing for Roxy to get back together. Personally, I like to see Bryan in Concert no matter who he is playing with. That's just my opinion. Let's give them our support, after all we are fans and it's good to see them live while we can. I think were very lucky to get to see them, especially after Bryan's close call in that plane. No more complaining please! Tracy. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:52:47 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Tour - West Coast? Hey, Any San Francisco Bay Area or Northern California people want to coordinate a road trip if they only have a show in La La land? I am only willing to travel as far east as Colorado. :-( Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:31:56 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Unconfirmed dates. Have heard on the grapevine that the unconfirmed dates for Glasgow are June 10th and 11th, no venue news as of yet. It also seems that it is odds on for two nights at the RAH, haven't got dates for these though. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:31:03 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I have to ask: - -----Original Message----- From: KWil632057@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] I have to ask: > Because most fans are excited and looking forward to having a Roxy summer. >The negativity and OTT harping on is destructive for those of us who are >interested in seeing the lads play live. > I'm too young to have seen them the first time and it comes across that >you oldies are trying to spoil our fun.. > Han put it perfectly when he said,"I expect more from my favouritas." Of course a reunion of any sorts is great news and I really hope the tour brings them my area, but we "oldies" are set in our ways and we want to see Roxy Music, which includes Thompson, Jobson or Eno....in his black feather boa, dammit! Anyway, the only time I saw Roxy?Ferry was on Feb. 27 1976 at the Warehouse in New Orleans. You can view photos from this show at: http://www.pipeline.com/~tmoq/warehse.html Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:04:35 +0000 From: stevesiren Subject: Re: [AVALON] Remade/Reformed/Refill please You big tease Reecey, I've been trying to track down the Twiggy duet for 27 years,& now you tell me I've only got 2 weeks 5 days 1hour 6mins to wait! On another point I think it was rob edwards who said "i'll be on my own please talk to me" I will rob if i knew what you looked like!Perhaps we all should wear name tags with our e-mail address on, then at least we could say "you're that pillock who......" Steve Reecey wrote: > The recent news has certainly stoked up the fires in preparation for some > great times to come this summer, for sure. I have no doubt that this will > also mean many Avalonian meet-ups at various places around the globe a-la > the As Time Goes By Tour, so it looks like party hats are in preparation for > going on once again, and I can hardly wait. > Meanwhile, in preparation for our 'A Mad Affair' meet up in London, it has > been suggested to me that as so many people will be converging on London > sometime on the Fri evening (16th Feb), it may be an idea for a little > pre-party drinks session on that evening too. > My god, I can feel the hangover coming on even now. > So, suggestions for a central venue that a few of us can wander into anytime > during the Friday evening, for a bit of pre-party and reformation Roxy and > Ferry chat anyone ? > Latest update on the event itself - only 5 tickets remaining. Everyone who > has reserved and paid for their Tickets should now have them, as they were > all mailed out last week. > I have been 'deflecting' a high number of mails coming to me concerning > which Videos/TV appearances etc will be shown on the night - but hey, to > save me from getting lynched I'd better give you a clue, to whet the > appetite. Suffice to say, all styles served here, and we will screen approx > 45 mins of material late in the evening. Let's just say that if you've > heard of the infamous ' lost for ever' Ferry/Twiggy 'Wonderful World duet' > TV appearance, you may be pleasantly surprised. > And didn't Roxy Music have an early appearance on London TV way, way back > when the marvellous 'Grey Lagoons' was still carrying it's earlier title of > 'The Bogus Man part 2' ? > Well, I can barely remember. Wouldn't it be great if we could all see those > appearances again, eh ? Shame they were probably scrubbed many many years > ago, and don't exist now. > > Yours, teasing, > Reecey... > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #33 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest