From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #11 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, January 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Do The Flounce ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) ["ncjones.lewis2" ] RE: [AVALON] Total Recall ["Chris Turner" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) [Jocelyn Fiske ] RE: [AVALON] WHO are you [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) [jeremy72@mindspring.com] RE: [AVALON] WHO are you ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] WHO are you [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. [g.firmin@att.net] RE: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) [More Than This] ["Gregor] Re: RE: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) [More Than This] [je] [AVALON] Broken Wings [Michael Hill ] Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings ["michael ferguson" ] RE: [AVALON] WHO are you ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] WHO are you ["ncjones.lewis2" ] Re: [AVALON] WHO are you ["ncjones.lewis2" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Richard Thompson covers [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings [M Gussekloo ] Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings ["michael ferguson" Subject: [AVALON] Do The Flounce >>> "Ivor Canning" 01/10 1:01 am >>> >n.p. ABBA Singles Collection ('The Name Of The Game') Have you got this one on heavy rotation, you pop tart! SimonG (strawberry flavour) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:47:35 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) In a message dated 10/01/01 03:07:34 GMT Standard Time, g.firmin@att.net writes: << I had heard that Ferry was considered for the part of the villian in a Sly Stallone movie >> Yes. I think it was Cliffhanger. Bryan was on 'Aspel and co' with Willis, Stallone and Schwarzennegger around this period or just after. Wasn't Ferry acting in the Alan Partridge interview for Comic Relief? Lots of Love Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:12:11 -0800 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. Christian goes fusion ("From H to He..." - geddit ? Oh, please yourselves !): > I mean, I am also > into Fripp and King Crimson, Hammill and VdGG &c. and if you listen to say, > some of the softer PH songs, it's not a world alien to Ferry fans. In my > mind, at least. Funnily enough, I haven't really heard much VdGG (just the sound of Hammill's voice on Fripp's album 'Exposure'). Have you got the new VdGG box set ? Would you recommend it ? > I'm off to see Hammill in Hamburg tomorrow, I hope it was/is good (I've no idea what day it is - no suprises there)... > poor Christian, who hardly ever gets replies to his way-too-long postings on > this stylish King Arthur-given list and probably deserves it (what a mean > super-ego, dz). Well, I read them anyway Christian !! Not much consolation I know, but still... S8^) Regards, Ivor. n.p. Abba - Singles Collection (just how many language versions of 'Waterloo' are there, fer cryin' out loud ???) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:23:41 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) >>> 01/10 11:47 am >>> >Wasn't Ferry acting in the Alan Partridge interview for Comic Relief? That was acting? More of a mock interview with the opportunity to have a look at Bryan in his glasses. Nice rims! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:32:57 -0800 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Do The Flounce Simon asks 'Does Your Mother Know ?': > >n.p. ABBA Singles Collection ('The Name Of The Game') > > Have you got this one on heavy rotation, you pop tart! > > SimonG (strawberry flavour) It's the limited edition metal box set of 29 CD singles (pre-Christmas HMV bargain at just under #30). They're great, but so sweet that I can't listen to more than five at a stretch or all my teeth will drop out. Regards, Gummo n.p. King Crimson 'Nashville Rehearsals' - ah, that's better... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:10:18 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. At 12.12 -0800 1-01-10, Ivor Canning wrote: >n.p. Abba - Singles Collection (just how many language versions of >'Waterloo' are there, fer cryin' out loud ???) Let's see Swedish, English, German, French and maybe Spanish? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:22:46 +0100 From: M Gussekloo Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. - --- Daniel Atterbom> At 12.12 -0800 1-01-10, Ivor Canning wrote: >>n.p. Abba - Singles Collection (just how many language versions of >>'Waterloo' are there, fer cryin' out loud ???) Daniel Atterbom> Let's see Swedish, English, German, French and maybe Spanish? If my memories aren't playing mind-games with me again, I believe there also was a Dutch version. It was feeble and you shouldn't give it a _dekko_. (Yes, I AM subscribed to the "Improve your English vocabulary" mailinglist) gus ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:38:32 -0000 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Firmin To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) > I could totally imagine Ferry on the Simpsons. I don't know if the show is > sown in Britain, but guests have included the three surviving Beatles Paul > McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr -- McCartney and his late wife > Linda introduced Lisa to vegetarianism when he met them at Apu's rooftop > garden -- and bands Aerosmith, Cypress Hill, B-52s, NRBQ, Red Hot Chili > Peppers, Sonic Youth, Spinal Tap, Ramones, Smashing Pumpkins and U2's Bono, > Adam Clayton and The Edge. Elton John, Sting, Johnny Cash, Peter Frampton, > Tom Jones, Cyndi Lauper, Bette Midler, Sting, Barry White and Hank Williams > Jr. have also loaned their vocals in cameo roles. Willie Nelson guests on > the 11th season finale. > My most favourite (and bizarre) appearance had to be Michael Jackson as a 20 stone mental patient who believed that he was MJ. Quick link here... Tom Baker's (surely one of the greatest living Englishman) version of the good doctor made a blink-and-you-miss-it appearance in the Simpsons. Can't remember the exact episode but I'm sure he was sitting around a table as part of a team of science advisers or something. As for the Alan Partridge Interview....where can I get a copy as I missed this (honestly where have I been all my life!) Regards Neil Jones ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:40:27 -0800 (PST) From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Total Recall I just stumbled across a Roxy site that I'd not yet seen http://www4.plala.or.jp/musique/ I think it's Japanese (can't read it) Disregard if you've already seen it. Great Mackay pic in the gallery. Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of g_roxy1980.jpg] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:55:59 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Total Recall This site is run by a Japanese guy who calls himself Earl Grey. He's a very pleasant guy to deal with, and has excellent written English. The site's graphics are very stylish in places too. 'Course , I haven't got a clue what it's about... Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of David Firmin Sent: 10 January 2001 15:40 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Total Recall I just stumbled across a Roxy site that I'd not yet seen http://www4.plala.or.jp/musique/ I think it's Japanese (can't read it) Disregard if you've already seen it. Great Mackay pic in the gallery. Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of g_roxy1980.jpg] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:13:28 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) >As for the Alan Partridge Interview....where can I get a copy as I missed this (honestly where have I been all my life!) The Alan Partridge interview is included on the Avalonian video compilation production "A Perfumed Sigh". Martino has the details. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:20:11 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] WHO are you Fair comment Jas, I do appreciate that Dr Who had some kind of kitschy appeal, but its production values were so low as to be non existent, and I do think its fame is greatly disproportional to its quality. In my view, with the exception of high-quality satirical shows, and the occasional drama (Attachments, This Life, etc) UK TV is in a trough. I've never in my life watched so little. All our TV stars now are either cooks or gardeners. British TV is now dependant on US shows for its quality - Frasier, ER, The Sopranos (superb), NYPD Blue, Sex In The City, etc... I guess Springer, Oprah, Rickie and Co, who are starting to fill our daytime schedules, just provide some natural balance to this. Anyway, back to Roxy, apologies for the digression. Chris Just what is a sonic screwdriver? Two parts vodka, one grenadine... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of jas2347@xsite.net Sent: 10 January 2001 04:53 To: Avalon Discussion Group Subject: [AVALON] WHO are you Well THIS American LOVED the show, cheesy sets et. al. It was 100 times better than what was being shown on network TV here. It's was witty, intelligent, and distinctly British. I add it to the list of my favorite exported shows which included Rock Follies, Monty Python, and Masterpiece Theatre (with the superb I, Claudius). I still don't get why my Dutch friends watch Jerry Springer? Maybe it's something in the translation. Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:38:53 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] WHO are you > All our TV stars now are either cooks or gardeners. Chris Or people who appear on these programmes (especially the gardening ones Chris!! - just tune in on Feb 7th BBC2 8.30) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:41:50 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) What is the video for More Than This like? I can't remember from the days of my youth and my video collection doesn't have it on there. Which one is the one with Ferry walking around with all the billowing curtains and such? And what is this Avalonian video collection? Something you guys compiled yourselves? How can I get a copy? Thanks. Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: The Alan Partridge interview is included on the Avalonian video compilation production "A Perfumed Sigh". Martino has the details. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:18:23 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] WHO are you Ah, now that is quality TV... Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jocelyn Fiske Sent: 10 January 2001 16:39 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] WHO are you > All our TV stars now are either cooks or gardeners. Chris Or people who appear on these programmes (especially the gardening ones Chris!! - just tune in on Feb 7th BBC2 8.30) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:22:09 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] WHO are you In a message dated 10/01/01 16:27:53 GMT Standard Time, ferryman@freeuk.com writes: << its production values were so low as to be non existent, >> Do you understand what 'production values' are? Good production values mean that the budget is well spent and not wasted. In the case of Dr Who money was never spent on the frivolity of special effects but rather on scripts, actors and alien creatures. You cannot deny that the Daleks represented money well spent as their success seems to indicate. By virtue of your argument you imply that a lot of money = good production values. This is not the case. Sure Doctor Who had wobbly sets, shocking special effects etc...but when you are a kid your imagination is far more powerful than an adults and you are wise enough to concentrate on what really matters. The other great thing about Doctor Who is the humour that, certainly when Tom Baker was involved, saw viewing figures top 15 million in the UK. Lots of Love Jonathan Ps.Before you accuse me of being an anorak I seem to remember seeing a still of an anorak clad Bryan Ferry recently.... pps.Jas, you have very good taste. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:35:54 +0000 From: g.firmin@att.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. Ive, Still Life by VDGG is great! And if you like Andy's playing with Roxy you'll love David (jaxonsax) Jackson. Great stuff. And Red By Crimso, don't get me started! > Christian goes fusion ("From H to He..." - geddit ? Oh, please yourselves > !): > > > I mean, I am also > > into Fripp and King Crimson, Hammill and VdGG &c. and if you listen to > say, > > some of the softer PH songs, it's not a world alien to Ferry fans. In my > > mind, at least. > > Funnily enough, I haven't really heard much VdGG (just the sound of > Hammill's voice on Fripp's album 'Exposure'). Have you got the new VdGG box > set ? Would you recommend it ? > > > I'm off to see Hammill in Hamburg tomorrow, > > I hope it was/is good (I've no idea what day it is - no suprises there)... > > > poor Christian, who hardly ever gets replies to his way-too-long postings > on > > this stylish King Arthur-given list and probably deserves it (what a mean > > super-ego, dz). > > Well, I read them anyway Christian !! Not much consolation I know, but > still... S8^) > > Regards, > > Ivor. > > n.p. Abba - Singles Collection (just how many language versions of > 'Waterloo' are there, fer cryin' out loud ???) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:39:54 -0500 From: "Gregory A. Koetting" Subject: RE: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) [More Than This] Howdy- There's a whole lot of heaven-hell stuff going on here.. The video for "More Than This" starts out with Bryan underneath a cross with a bright light eminating from it- he's wearing a red shirt and black trousers (leather?). Before he starts singing you see a couple quick shots of him in a leather jacket and bowtie. As he begins singing, the camera sort of comes in slowly closer and by the time he sings "As free as the wind," he is nearly enveloped in this bright haze.. Once the chorus has started he's now in a cinema seat with as he's on the movie screen, but he's singing to you.. but as the next verse starts with "It was fun for awhile," he's singing with the band surrounded by little 'fires' burning black smoke against a red 'sky.' He's in his leather jacket and bowtie. He finishes the verse... By this time he's repeating "More than this" several times and the shot goes back to Ferry watching himself in the cinema.. It was the first Roxy Music video I ever saw! back to lurking... greggie/atlanta "See the veiled prophet's withered gaze reflect the nouvelle vague" - -bryan ferry 1977 (my favorite silly ferry-ism!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of jeremy72@mindspring.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:42 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) What is the video for More Than This like? I can't remember from the days of my youth and my video collection doesn't have it on there. Which one is the one with Ferry walking around with all the billowing curtains and such? And what is this Avalonian video collection? Something you guys compiled yourselves? How can I get a copy? Thanks. Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: The Alan Partridge interview is included on the Avalonian video compilation production "A Perfumed Sigh". Martino has the details. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:32:22 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Has Acted (I do believe) [More Than This] Wow. I thought I had seen that video but now I'm positive that I haven't. That sounds pretty weird. Was that his concept? Thanks for the description. Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: > Howdy- There's a whole lot of heaven-hell stuff going on here.. The video for "More Than This" starts out with Bryan underneath a cross with a bright light eminating from it- he's wearing a red shirt and black trousers (leather?). Before he starts singing you see a couple quick shots of him in a leather jacket and bowtie. greggie/atlanta "See the veiled prophet's withered gaze reflect the nouvelle vague" - -bryan ferry 1977 (my favorite silly ferry-ism!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:25:13 +0000 From: Michael Hill Subject: [AVALON] Broken Wings I was wondering if anyone had a means of putting Broken wings onto Napster, as I must shamefully admit that I have yet to hear it, and haven't been able to get hold of the EP it was on. Can anyone help? P.S. Can I still obtain A Perfumed Sigh somehow? Please, pretty please!? :) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:43:57 +0100 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings > I was wondering if anyone had a means of putting Broken wings onto Napster, as > I must shamefully admit that I have yet to hear it, and haven't been able to > get hold of the EP it was on. i'm also looking forward to listening to this one. make a poor boy happy and please put the file into your shared directory, if possible! sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:47:48 -0000 From: "michael ferguson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings Hi Michael. If you want copies of any ferry tracks, please e-mail me off list. I should be able to sort you out! All the best Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Hill To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: [AVALON] Broken Wings > I was wondering if anyone had a means of putting Broken wings onto Napster, as > I must shamefully admit that I have yet to hear it, and haven't been able to > get hold of the EP it was on. Can anyone help? P.S. Can I still obtain A > Perfumed Sigh somehow? Please, pretty please!? :) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:08:29 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Growing up >Do you understand what 'production values' are? >but when you are a kid your imagination is far more >powerful than an adults and you are wise enough to concentrate on what really >matters. > I agree with nearly everything you say. Adults ( or most of them ) have weaker imaginations than children, and tend in fact to be more compromised people in every way. ( Though it is the cruelty of other children that first teaches them to play safe.) . But the deification of an entertainment for children once you're an adult is something else entirely. The material available for a discerning adult is infinitely richer than wallowing in reruns of old TV shows. I don't accept that DR WHO and its ilk are a substitute for experiencing Graham Greene or Charlie Parker or Pablo Picasso or Les Enfants De Paradis. There are some things that you can ONLY begin fully to appreciate once you're older - but they are amazingly exciting, stimulating and rich, and they are worth the effort. Watching your childhood faves can be a kind of comfort food, without doubt, but there are greater sensations to be had. One of the reasons we admire Ferry ( I assume) is that the emotional content of his music, though limited, rings true to us as adults in a way that The Osmonds, I imagine, doesn't. It helps to know more about sex and love than you can possibly know at 15 to get the full impact. That's surely part of the reason this list exists. One of his most interesting achievements is creating a music with genuinely 'adult' emotional content which is a million miles from MOR. Just as those of us who have had complicated sex lives recognise, without the slightest pretention or snobbery, that Greene ( say) has something to say to us that the scary yearning for old TV shows simply cannot fill. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:19:50 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] WHO are you In England, where child abuse, poor hospital care, frozen pensioners, late running trains and bad food are endemic, only two things really enrage our phlegmatic population - cruelty to animals (understandable), and criticism of Dr Who (not so understandable). Jonathan. Thank you, I understand perfectly what production values are, the pertinent word was 'low'. I certainly don't think that you have to spend a lot of money to achieve a credible production, in fact in TV and cinema I'm not sure there's any great correlation between cost and value. What I mean is that sufficient money needed to be spent for it to have any real form of credibility, that which the imagination can't excuse or overlook. Wobbly walls, egg-whisk weapons and papier-mbchi monsters may or may not have fooled Seventies kids (and I was one), they certainly wouldn't cut it with today's more sophisticated audiences, I doubt if they did then. I certainly don't think you're an anorak. From the passion of your words you clearly remember that series with great affection, and there's nothing wrong with that, but please don't hold it up as being from the pantheon of high art. Remember it had Bernard Cribbens and Roy Castle in it ;0). I just don't look at Dr Who through a hazy glow of nostalgia, or consider it one of those beyond-criticism sacred cows of TV folklore. I just saw it for what it was - clearly very low-budget, kitsch, harmless, and yes, often humorous, entertainment. And anyway wasn't Jon Pertwee better than Tom Baker ;0) Still, don't think that good viewing figures mean a good show...don't get me started on that one... Let's take this offline or to a more appropriate forum. Chris BTW Those anorak pictures of Ferry were created for The Bride Stripped Bare but rejected by him as 'too punk' - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 10 January 2001 17:22 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] WHO are you In a message dated 10/01/01 16:27:53 GMT Standard Time, ferryman@freeuk.com writes: << its production values were so low as to be non existent, >> Do you understand what 'production values' are? Good production values mean that the budget is well spent and not wasted. In the case of Dr Who money was never spent on the frivolity of special effects but rather on scripts, actors and alien creatures. You cannot deny that the Daleks represented money well spent as their success seems to indicate. By virtue of your argument you imply that a lot of money = good production values. This is not the case. Sure Doctor Who had wobbly sets, shocking special effects etc...but when you are a kid your imagination is far more powerful than an adults and you are wise enough to concentrate on what really matters. The other great thing about Doctor Who is the humour that, certainly when Tom Baker was involved, saw viewing figures top 15 million in the UK. Lots of Love Jonathan Ps.Before you accuse me of being an anorak I seem to remember seeing a still of an anorak clad Bryan Ferry recently.... pps.Jas, you have very good taste. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:09:44 -0000 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] WHO are you - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] WHO are you > The other great thing about Doctor Who is the humour that, certainly when Tom > Baker was involved, saw viewing figures top 15 million in the UK. > > Lots of Love > Jonathan > > Ps.Before you accuse me of being an anorak I seem to remember seeing a still > of an anorak clad Bryan Ferry recently.... > pps.Jas, you have very good taste. > > I am sure there is an anorak tucked away in all our closets (its there, just behind the skeleton.) IMO its another word for being passionate about a subject that others find mediocre or boring. Do football fans laugh and poke fun at the nerdy sci-fi geek who attends conventions dressed as a Star Trek hero and spouts mindnumbing facts and figures about his/her favourite show. Do these same football fans buy and wear there favourite team jerseys (all versions including home / away / reserve / goal keeper - European tour / world cup strip et al) and able to spout the name of the player who scored to enter Manchester United in the European championships in 197X? Do the sci-fi geeks find this trivia equally as boring? Am I using stereotypes?....of course! Do we spend a half an hour of each day huddled over a PC/MAC chewing the fat over Bryan Ferry?...yup! P.S. as for the More Than This video, surely Bryan is the only man who could pull off a bow tie and leather jacket combination! Regards Neil Jones ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:50:04 -0000 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] WHO are you - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Turner To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] WHO are you > Fair comment Jas, I do appreciate that Dr Who had some kind of kitschy > appeal, but its production values were so low as to be non existent, and I > do think its fame is greatly disproportional to its quality. > > In my view, with the exception of high-quality satirical shows, and the > occasional drama (Attachments, This Life, etc) UK TV is in a trough. I've > never in my life watched so little. All our TV stars now are either cooks or > gardeners. British TV is now dependant on US shows for its quality - > Frasier, ER, The Sopranos (superb), NYPD Blue, Sex In The City, etc... I > guess Springer, Oprah, Rickie and Co, who are starting to fill our daytime > schedules, just provide some natural balance to this. > > Anyway, back to Roxy, apologies for the digression. > > Chris > > Just what is a sonic screwdriver? Two parts vodka, one grenadine... > I agree that quality of UKTV at present is indeed dire, soap operas are piled ontop of soap operas. Monday nights, for instance, there is a clear run of around 2 hours of soap on terrestrial TV if you channel surf, and I (an ex couch potato) find myself less and less in front of it. I now only watch selected movies, documentrories, gardening programs (as gardening is a hobby of mine!) and wonder...do I really miss it???? ...not in the slightest, for now when my fiancie is immersed in her soaps I am in the garden/greenhouse or talking/listening to you fine people (all be it via VDU/keyboard) discussing, ranting, teasing and philosophising from all over the world!!! As for production values on the old Dr Who shows, well IMO the best episodes of this series were the ones that did not try to be an all bells and whistles sci-fi show, but instead gave the lead character (who was dark & scary & funny & cleaver & a hero & a coward & fascinating when handled by the likes of Tom Baker) to solve whatever mystery he stumbled upon and be allowed to have good sci fi concepts. I have heard it said by many people that the slow and agonising death of this show began post Star Wars when it felt it had to compete with the big budget flashy stuff. It comes back to the question...does money spent make a good product (for want of a better word)? Did Ferry (oh yes, him) need to spend a small fortune on Mamouna/Horoscope to make it a good or bad album, admittedly his aim was not to spend the money but to achieve his goal, but haven't we heard/read him say that he would love to pack some equipment in the back of a van and shove off to the country somewhere and produce an album in a week or so (like the early Roxy stuff..) Then why not? As for UK TV relying on the US for quality, then yes, I will concede that some of the best TV on the box in this country is US made. But surely we must acknowledge that this is the tip of a rather massive iceberg and probably (I have no real figures) only represents a small percentage of that countries output (maybe our US chums will confirm or rubbish this)! Indeed, to see some of the other tat that is exported alongside these other quality shows such as Springer (etc), day time sit-coms such as Saved by the Bell or some of the newer SKY1 sci fi shows (great fx, shite stories and actors and not worth the time of day) would give a truer picture of the (overall) output of US TV. Not that we, in old Blighty aren't doing every thing in our power to catch up and make TV for the lowest common denominator! Maybe the internet will give us something else to do? "It is the end, but the moment has been prepared for!" - Tom Baker , Dr Who 198x Regards Neil Jones (must go, I can hear Corrie finishing) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:32:18 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Richard Thompson covers In a message dated 1/9/01 10:05:13 PM, idafan@home.com writes: << A-ha, Andrew, so you're the culprit. I am also on that Richard Thompson list, and I couldn't believe how adamant, and even indignant, they were about it. And yes, it generated WAY too much e-mail traffic! Yikes. >> Yeah, I feel really bad about that... Who knew it would be such a big deal? Andrew, with the flu in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:42:32 +0100 From: M Gussekloo Subject: Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings Michael Hill> I was wondering if anyone had a means of putting Broken wings onto Napster, as In the Roxy Music biography (the bad Cultural one) the song "The Numberer" is mentioned. Err, could anyone put that online? Please? gus ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:52:18 -0000 From: "michael ferguson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings Anyone wanting copies of material please e-mail me off list. I will see what I can do! Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: M Gussekloo To: Michael Hill Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Broken Wings > Michael Hill> I was wondering if anyone had a means of putting Broken wings onto Napster, as > > In the Roxy Music biography (the bad Cultural one) the song "The > Numberer" is mentioned. Err, could anyone put that online? Please? > > gus > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:48:08 +0100 From: "C.H.Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. Ivor, what do you mean - the chemical reaction in the sun? I'm going fusion? Hope I'm not going anorganic or something... C2H6 to 2 HB or what? Anyway, I have yet to buy the VdGG box (a student's wage, sigh), but as an introduction, I dunno - there are many live tracks, though I suppose they'll blow you off anyway. Recommended by C.: VdGG: H to He (yes!) (1970) Still Life (1976) Hammill: The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage (1974) In Camera (1974) A Black Box (1980) X My Heart (1996) ...for a start, that is. The concert was unique, I've just returned. Hammill is a madman on stage, unlike our Bry - it's interesting to have such a change. And hey Ivor, thanks for reading what I write! I'm going to prepare some award to-morrow (and to-morrow). Christian - ---------- >Von: "Ivor Canning" >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] AVALON Cover albums. >Datum: Mit, 10. Jan 2001 21:12 Uhr > >Christian goes fusion ("From H to He..." - geddit ? Oh, please yourselves >!): > >> I mean, I am also >> into Fripp and King Crimson, Hammill and VdGG &c. and if you listen to >say, >> some of the softer PH songs, it's not a world alien to Ferry fans. In my >> mind, at least. > >Funnily enough, I haven't really heard much VdGG (just the sound of >Hammill's voice on Fripp's album 'Exposure'). Have you got the new VdGG box >set ? Would you recommend it ? > >> I'm off to see Hammill in Hamburg tomorrow, > >I hope it was/is good (I've no idea what day it is - no suprises there)... > >> poor Christian, who hardly ever gets replies to his way-too-long postings >on >> this stylish King Arthur-given list and probably deserves it (what a mean >> super-ego, dz). > >Well, I read them anyway Christian !! Not much consolation I know, but >still... S8^) > >Regards, > >Ivor. > >n.p. Abba - Singles Collection (just how many language versions of >'Waterloo' are there, fer cryin' out loud ???) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #11 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest