From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #5 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, January 6 2001 Volume 06 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Grammies [Jim Rosencutter ] Re: [AVALON] Not So Long Ago, I Was So Scared [cecilia ] RE: [AVALON] Grammy Plain ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Chained And Bound ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Re; Grammy or Grampa ? ["Ivor Canning" ] RE: [AVALON] Grammies [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Grammy? [M Gussekloo ] Re: [AVALON] Grammy? [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] What goes on at the BBC? ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] What goes on at the BBC? ["Reecey" ] RE: [AVALON] What goes on at the BBC? ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Management. ["thom.wallace" ] RE: [AVALON] Management. ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Americans [Rob de la Cruz ] Re: [AVALON] Americans ["R. Jackson" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 05:51:28 -0600 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grammies > 13. Traditional Pop Vocal Album: ``As Time Goes By,'' Bryan Ferry; Isn't this one of those "second tier" Grammies that they kind of rattle off as they are going to commercial break? Even if he won, I doubt that there would be a presentation on the telecast. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: cecilia Subject: Re: [AVALON] Not So Long Ago, I Was So Scared on Kicki's Avalon site http://www.avalon.pp.se under the link "articles". Cecilia - --- Pim Rebholz wrote: > Where can we see that photograph? Is it in a magazine > or on the web? > > Pim > > --- Gina wrote: > > Did anyone notice how TALL Isaac is? How tall is > > Bryan? It looks to me > > that Isaac has a few inches on the maestro - and > > he's only how old, 14? 15? > > > > Sign him up for b-b-b-basketball! > > > > --gina Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:04:05 -0800 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re; Grammy or Grampa ? Marlana wrote about the Grammy awards ("how I love ya, how I love ya") : > Bela Fleck & Flecktones are nominated. Way to go - 'Outbound' was a superb album and is certainly one of my picks of the year (personally I think Niacin's 'Deep' had the edge, but still...) Also nominated in some ridiculous category (like cover design) is Kevin Gilbert's posthumous album 'The Shaming Of The True'. A truly underrated musician (and major Gentle Giant fan) he made some superb pop-rock-prog albums which would appeal to fans of bands like Jellyfish (yes - you, Simon !) The short-lived 1990 'Toy Matinee' project with Patrick Leonard (another GG fan) was particularly brilliant - fiendishly clever with strong sly lyrics, superbly played and produced, yet insanely hummable and catchy, too. An extraordinary loss who deserves better recognition than to be just a footnote in the Sheryl Crow story and a Grammy nomination for someone else's cover design (even though it is pretty good !) Oh no - I've just realised I have three of this year's nominated albums ! Horrors - I must be getting mainstream !!!!! S;^))))) Regards, Ivor. n.p. Kevin Gilbert 'The Shaming Of The True'. I just had to put it on again - yup, it's still brilliant... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:26:49 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re; Grammy or Grampa ? You tie it all in so seamlessly! >>> "Ivor Canning" 01/05 10:04 pm >>> Marlana wrote about the Grammy awards ("how I love ya, how I love ya") : > Bela Fleck & Flecktones are nominated. Way to go - 'Outbound' was a superb album and is certainly one of my picks of the year (personally I think Niacin's 'Deep' had the edge, but still...) Also nominated in some ridiculous category (like cover design) is Kevin Gilbert's posthumous album 'The Shaming Of The True'. A truly underrated musician (and major Gentle Giant fan) he made some superb pop-rock-prog albums which would appeal to fans of bands like Jellyfish (yes - you, Simon !) The short-lived 1990 'Toy Matinee' project with Patrick Leonard (another GG fan) was particularly brilliant - fiendishly clever with strong sly lyrics, superbly played and produced, yet insanely hummable and catchy, too. An extraordinary loss who deserves better recognition than to be just a footnote in the Sheryl Crow story and a Grammy nomination for someone else's cover design (even though it is pretty good !) Oh no - I've just realised I have three of this year's nominated albums ! Horrors - I must be getting mainstream !!!!! S;^))))) Regards, Ivor. n.p. Kevin Gilbert 'The Shaming Of The True'. I just had to put it on again - yup, it's still brilliant... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:01:53 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Grammy Plain I'll get my thesaurus out in anticipation... Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Martin Stockman Sent: 05 January 2001 07:11 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grammy Plain - ---------- >From: "Chris Turner" >To: >Subject: RE: [AVALON] Grammy Plain >Date: Fri, Jan 5, 2001, 1:00 am > > Martin, > > 'What management?' was your Pavlovian response. > > How about the management that got him a ... Lots of good points here Chris, although a few rather contrived ones, and one or two frankly fatuous notions too. Let me compose in fancy rhymes a fair reply. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:20:27 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Chained And Bound I've spent an afternoon digging around looking for other versions of the "standards" that Bryan has covered over the years - isn't there a song Billie Holliday didn't do? Anyway, on the Otis Redding album "Great Otis Redding Sings Soul Ballads" from 1965 (which contains the original That's How Strong My Love Is) track 2 is entitled Chained And Bound. I've never noticed this before, but that would suggest that Bryan's much loved and used phrase is a throw back to his days as a soul boy with The Gas Board. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:45:57 -0800 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re; Grammy or Grampa ? Simon > You tie it all in so seamlessly! Well, it's all music, innit chief ? Anyway, it's difficult not to find links to the Bela Fleck album - the guest-list includes Adrian Belew (King Crimson), Jon Anderson (Yes), Shawn Colvin, John Medeski (Medeski, Martin Wood) and Edward Meyer (Tangerine Dream amongst others). Watch out, too, for the Flecktones bassist Victor Wooten - a Jaco Pastorius for the new millennium and no mistake. Off to the local panto now ... (cries of 'oh, no you're not'...'oh, yes I am' etc) Regards, Ivor. n.p. ABBA Singles Collection (What can I say ? It's my age ! Oh...and it was cheap !!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:02:47 +0000 From: Michael Hill Subject: RE: [AVALON] Grammies Let's face it though, the exposure he would receive by attending the grammies alone could proactively help him in his chances of gaining greater Stateside recognition. If Bryan went to the awards, we could all smirk as the many misinformed, narrow-minded "stars" in the audience are made to take notice of our homegrown genius. Apologies to the very tasteful Americans on this list, but I must admit, the music scene in America is too mainstream in general, too ignorant of the vital musical influences from the other side of the Atlantic. It has always annoyed me that Bryan never made a bigger impact over there. But, there's still time, what with greater media coverage of our lesser-spotted avant-garde style king. Here's another teaser: Why is Sting more popular than Bryan in the States? Stuck? A possible answer may be that apart from the good ol' Bryan Ferry fans over there, Americans seem content to listen to wallpaper music. Fair enough, Sting used to be quite good with the Police, but when we have another 'almost-geordie' who makes the most important music of our time, is it any wonder I start to rant and babble? Give Bry the Grammy, I say! He undoubtedly deserves it. >===== Original Message From avalon@smoe.org ===== >13. Traditional Pop Vocal Album: ``As Time Goes By,'' Bryan Ferry; >``It's >Like This,'' Rickie Lee Jones; ``Songs From the Last Century,'' George >Michael; ``Both Sides Now,'' Joni Mitchell; ``Timeless - Live in >Concert,'' >Barbra Streisand. > >Can our man win up against the other nominees? Can you imagine Bryan >accepting the award wearing his white tux? > >Can our man win? No. He's in the same category as Babs and Joni >Mitchell. Bryan is considered too "obscure" by most of the voters even >though he has had a long and very influential career. WE know that, but >the "obscure" foreign acts NEVER win. It would be nice though. I hate >so say that but I have been following the Grammies for a while and No >Bryan nor Roxy have never been nominated for anything. It's sad. If >anything he should go to the cermeony and just hang out. One of his >fave's Macy Gray is nominated big time for I Try (LOVE that song). Maybe >they could arrange a session together. Moby ( who LOVES Roxy and >Bryan) is also nominated will probably push and shove to get to him. I >would be sorely dissapointed in Bryan if I see a photo of him and >Eminen. Now what would they talk about? Bryan and Madonna Ritchie? >Yeah I could see that. She's into Brits and thinks she British now >anyway. Bryan and Radiohead? Yes. They could talk up the early days, >Velvet Goldmine, and Eno who seems to have influenced a lot of Kid A. I >hope they win something for that one although I would be shocked if they >picked up Album of the Year. It was the best of the ones nominated but >again to "obscure" for voters tastes. One of my faves last year. Most >curious nominee in the Alternative Music Album category is Paul >McCartney for Liverpool Sound Collage. Huh? Paul? Alternative? When >then this happen? The Cure is also in this category. I want THEM to win >but I think the votes will go to Radiohead. I also would like Bowie, >Jill Scott,Wilco, and yes Madonna Ritchie to win at least one award. I >liked the Smashing Pumpkins and the Dandy Warhols but they were not >nominated for anything. > >Jas > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:48:56 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Grammies On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Michael Hill wrote: > Let's face it though, the exposure he would receive by attending the > grammies alone could proactively help him in his chances of gaining > greater Stateside recognition. If Bryan went to the awards, we could > all smirk as the many misinformed, narrow-minded "stars" in the > audience are made to take notice of our homegrown genius. Apologies to > the very tasteful Americans on this list, but I must admit, the music > scene in America is too mainstream in general, too ignorant of the > vital musical influences from the other side of the Atlantic. It has > always annoyed me that Bryan never made a bigger impact over there. > But, there's still time, what with greater media coverage of our > lesser-spotted avant-garde style king. Here's another teaser: Why is Please forgive all 275 million of us for annoying you. We're ever so sorry and we shan't do it again. Frankly, I'm puzzled by the contradictions in the statements that you make. If the American music world is so "mainstream" and so "ignorant," then why would you wish for it to validate Mr. Ferry and give him this award? Wouldn't that be damning with faint praise? How on earth could he accept such an award form such "misinformed" and "narrow-minded" people? (and a corollary question: if America is such a cesspool of mainstream ignorance, why do you so desperately want Mr. Ferry to be sullied by its noxious attentions?) I suppose that part of the reason your reply seems so puzzling is that it doesn't seem to illustrate a grasp of either the music scene in the United States or of what the Grammy Awards are. Now, I'm sure you're an expert on America because you once had a layover at the Dallas airport--or is it perhaps you have seen "Dallas" on television?--and therefore you know how things work here better than I, since what else is there to know about our one dimensional culture? But please allow this American peasant to speak anyway. After all, it is written "a cat may look at a king." And I'll be brief to boot: to quote a famous Brit, "There are more things in heaven and on earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio." The same applies here. The American music buying public has a much wider and more diverse musical taste than what you see on MTV or on the Billboard charts. Second, the Grammies are as much a reflection of the taste of the American public writ large as are the Academy Awards or the Emmy Awards or the Tony Awards. That is, they're not. Like those awards, they are insular awards voted on by people who belong to those various academies. And like those awards (I'm extrapolating here), they are subject to the same electioneering influences, and as such are neither a barometer of mass culture popularity nor a measure of critical and collegial acclaim. Basically they're as fake as anything else out there, whether it's Miss World or Jerry Springer. For the rest of this argument with respect to the ignorance of the people in residence, I would refer you to some previous posts in this thread which nicely illustrate the links between Our Hero and some of the "stars" who are also nominated and will be in attendance. And I leave untouched the question about how could his mere appearance at this show (assuming he does not perform) do anything to raise his profile, except to say that unless someone out there is savvy enough to promote him using my idea of he guy who just narrowly missed death and was splashed on every newspaper around the world or unless he punches Sting or something, who cares that he was there (except us, naturally)? > Sting more popular than Bryan in the States? Stuck? A possible answer > may be that apart from the good ol' Bryan Ferry fans over there, > Americans seem content to listen to wallpaper music. Fair enough, > Sting used to be quite good with the Police, but when we have another > 'almost-geordie' who makes the most important music of our time, is it Here's another possible answer (and far more probable): Sting was more than just "quite good" with The Police--they were freakin' superstars. SUPERSTARS I say. Roxy didn't have anything like that success. Sting had a running--no, a marathon--head start over Mr. Ferry. However, it wasn't merely the momentum of The Police which carried Sting into his own superstardom, it was that damn fine album he released, _Dream of the Blue Turtles_ (or whatever it was called). I am as ready as anyone (or at least as ready as Martin) to mock what Sting has become, but that album was a huge hit and deservedly so. Perhaps Sting has been coasting on that since then, but it's really wrong to take that accomplishment (artistic, critical, and commercial) away from him. > any wonder I start to rant and babble? Give Bry the Grammy, I say! He > undoubtedly deserves it. Then he deserves it for the most mainstream and bland album he has ever released. In that case, I say give it to George Michael. But then again, what do I know, living here in the US, while you are from the land which gave the world the musical genii of Take Five, the Spice Girls (not to mention Wham)? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:13:14 +0100 From: M Gussekloo Subject: [AVALON] Grammy? There are many things wrong with many countries. In Switzerland they eat too many cheese, in France they drink too many wine and in the Netherlands they use too many softdrugs. In America a majority SEEMS to be very entertained by what we, Roxy Fanatics, call "things without style or substance" (such as Britney Spears, Jerry Springer, etc.) This doesn't mean every individual is a hamburger-eating nutcase. Please note, I don't wish to imply that everyone who ever ate a hamburger is a nutcase. And being a nutcase isn't wrong, I mean, all things to everyone (slade). But please don't be THIS angry because one merely points at the image America currently has. Maybe I'm a bad citizen, but I for one couldn't care less about anyone saying the Netherlands are filled with ignorant people. I'm too ignorant to think of myself as ignorant. Gus PS How can we have any opinions on Roxy Music? Most of us have never been in a band! I have my information from the back of a Roxy LP! Silly me. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grammy? On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, M Gussekloo wrote: [...] > But please don't be THIS angry because one merely points at the image > America currently has. It is not the image America currently has. It is the image you have of America. There is a difference. See, this is the thing: I'm not really that patriotic of an American. I vote, but that's about it. This is not an issue of citizenship, nor is it an issue of one post. It's an issue of manners and I see it over and over again on lists I'm on. That is, people from outside the US feel free to spout the most idiotic and ill-informed, if not outright stupid, comments about the US, based on sources most adults would instantly dismiss as idiotic, ill-informed, and stupid. Yet you don't see Americans making these same comments on these same lists where this behavior is a given and making similar remarks. It's just rude and there is no need for it. There is room for a discussion of why Ferry et. al. (and many other fine musicians) never made it big in the US and I'm truly sorry that the US hasn't embraced Mr. Ferry's past, present, and future the way so many of you and us would have liked. But that's due to complex set of factors, and not just because we're a nation of mouth breathing droolers. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go find my chewing tobacco so I can get a good seat at the wrestling match. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:40:43 -0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What goes on at the BBC? A bit of irony at the BBC this evening on the Clive Anderson Show. They had Mariella Frostrup (remember her from a few months back?) commenting on some topical issues. And of course the near disater was one of the topics. It was all done light heartedly (without Mariella mentioning those newspaper reports) highlighting the fact that Bryan kept his cool by telling his son to stop swearing, the villain being tied up with his wife's scarf and it all being filmed by another son. The piece finished with Bryan on Top of the Pops singing "I'm going up, I'm going down ..." (For people in the UK I should imagine it'll be repeated again later this week. Anybody seen the TOTP footage before?) Andrew _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:59:15 -0000 From: "tommy peters" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grammy? focused his mind on something he cared about but he couldn't find out about perception.... not quite the right line but..... VIVA ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grammy? > On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, M Gussekloo wrote: > > [...] > > > But please don't be THIS angry because one merely points at the image > > America currently has. > > It is not the image America currently has. It is the image you have > of America. There is a difference. > > See, this is the thing: I'm not really that patriotic of an American. I > vote, but that's about it. This is not an issue of citizenship, nor is it > an issue of one post. It's an issue of manners and I see it over and over > again on lists I'm on. That is, people from outside the US feel free to > spout the most idiotic and ill-informed, if not outright stupid, comments > about the US, based on sources most adults would instantly dismiss as > idiotic, ill-informed, and stupid. Yet you don't see Americans making > these same comments on these same lists where this behavior is a given and > making similar remarks. It's just rude and there is no need for it. > > There is room for a discussion of why Ferry et. al. (and many other fine > musicians) never made it big in the US and I'm truly sorry that the US > hasn't embraced Mr. Ferry's past, present, and future the way so many of > you and us would have liked. But that's due to complex set of factors, > and not just because we're a nation of mouth breathing droolers. > > Now if you will excuse me, I have to go find my chewing tobacco so I can > get a good seat at the wrestling match. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:02:14 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What goes on at the BBC? >The piece finished with Bryan on Top of the Pops singing "I'm going up, I'm going down ..." (For people in the UK I should imagine it'll be repeated again later this week. Anybody seen the TOTP footage before?) > > Andrew > Funny you should mention this, Monsieur Shearer. This very appearance will be on the forthcoming Strandpower production 'A Rhapsody Divine', or indeed it's sister Video, 'Penthouse Perfection'. Meanwhile, if you're a good boy and eat your greens, you may well see rare snippets such as this, previewed on screen at 'A Mad Affair'. So there. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:10:35 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] What goes on at the BBC? The clip is from What Goes On first shown on TOTP on 20/04/78 It's interesting that you should mention TOTP. I was digging around at the BBC's website the other day, and the TOTP section has a list of all the shows that exist in the archives, and the artists that appeared on them. You can therefore search any artist. It confirms the suspicions we had that the early Roxy shows, e.g. Pyjamarama, Street Life, have been wiped. http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/ Do an artist search, then select 'music' and use the 'Related Links' - TOTP Appearances link that appears. Here are the lists for Roxy and Ferry. Remember some appearances are video screenings, and some appearances are on retrospective shows or Xmas compilations. I will be adding a TV appearances archive to Roxyrama soon. Roxy Music 22/10/92 Virginia Plain 05/01/84 All I Want Is You 17/06/82 Avalon 15/04/82 More Than This 01/04/82 More Than This 31/12/81 Jealous Guy 19/03/81 Jealous Guy 12/03/81 Jealous Guy 26/02/81 Jealous Guy 06/11/80 The Same Old Scene 07/08/80 Oh Yeah (On The Radio) 29/05/80 Over You 15/05/80 Over You 25/12/79 Dance Away 06/09/79 Angel Eyes 23/08/79 Angel Eyes 07/06/79 Dance Away 24/05/79 Dance Away 10/05/79 Dance Away 10/11/77 Virginia Plain 20/10/77 Virginia Plain 04/10/74 All I Want Is You Bryan Ferry 03/06/93 Will You Love Me Tomorrow 11/03/93 I Put A Spell On You 25/02/93 I Put A Spell On You 10/11/88 Lets Stick Together (Remix) 10/04/86 Is Your Love Strong Enough 05/09/85 Dont Stop The Dance 16/05/85 Slave To Love 20/04/78 What Goes On 26/05/77 Tokyo Joe 24/02/77 This Is Tomorrow 19/08/76 The Price Of Love 24/06/76 Lets Stick Together - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Shearer Sent: 05 January 2001 23:41 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] What goes on at the BBC? A bit of irony at the BBC this evening on the Clive Anderson Show. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:16:16 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: [AVALON] Americans At 05:31 PM 01/05/2001 -0500, Colleen Matan wrote: >It is not the image America currently has. It is the image you have >of America. There is a difference. Not a very big difference, IMO. ;-) >Now if you will excuse me, I have to go find my chewing tobacco so I can >get a good seat at the wrestling match. > >Colleen OK, well, while you enjoy The Undertaker's cage match with Jesse The Body Ventura, let me add a few comments to this discourse. ;-) I'm an American. I was born in the American midwest (Lebanon, Indiana), raised in the American south (Plant City, Florida) and currently live in the American northwest (Santa Rosa, California). I've travelled a little on several continents and the one thing that I've always found predictable is the image we Americans project to non-Americans. It's a fair image, too, IMO. On the average we're undereducated, overconfident and arrogant. Politically, we're the most powerful nation on Earth and we trod on anyone who disagrees with our divine right to rape the planet as we see fit. We gleefully clothe ourselves with items made in Pacific rim and Mexican sweatshops. And we all know what happened when President Bush's oil refineries in Kuwait were taken over by Iraquis. 200,000 dead civilians later he got his oil wells back. That said, I'm an American through and through. There are some wonderful places in the world, but I wouldn't trade my little home in northern California to live on the most beautiful hectare of New Zealand. As flawed as this country is, it's still my home and always will be. I think that, as Americans, we need to learn enough humility to accept the world's opinions of us. We've earned it. In typical American fashion, though, we always take exception to the generalizations. "Oh, no, that's not the way *I* am. I think you've confused me with all those *other* Americans. Let me just say one thing..." It's like the American arguing with Death in Monty Python's Meaning Of Life. ;-) Deal with it, ok? If it really makes you uncomfortable you can always claim to be a Canadian. Nobody minds them. ;-) - -Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:21:10 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Management. Just thought I'd mention that Bryan is no longer represented by Opal Chant. At the moment things seem to be getting handled by his office, if I hear anything more I'll post it on. All the best for 2001, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:03:45 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Management. Looks like Anthea had a profitable trip to St Petersburg... http://www.prostudio.com/studiosound/sept00/soundings2.html One door closes...another opens Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of thom.wallace Sent: 06 January 2001 02:21 To: Avalon Subject: [AVALON] Management. Just thought I'd mention that Bryan is no longer represented by Opal Chant. At the moment things seem to be getting handled by his office, if I hear anything more I'll post it on. All the best for 2001, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:12:18 -0500 From: Rob de la Cruz Subject: Re: [AVALON] Americans Well said Rob. As a fur-wearing, igloo-dwelling Canadian, I was thinking exactly the same things about the Big Brother to the south, but was too polite to say anything. Rob. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:12:42 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Americans At 10:12 PM 01/05/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Well said Rob. As a fur-wearing, igloo-dwelling Canadian, I was thinking >exactly >the same things about the Big Brother to the south, but was too polite to say >anything. > >Rob. Ah, a Canadian. Didn't we rain nuclear debris from one of our poorly-designed satellites all over your country a few years ago? Bet you didn't expect that when you signed the NAFTA treaty, now did you? ;-) - -Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #5 ************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest