From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #442 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, December 18 2000 Volume 05 : Number 442 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] A Mad Affair ["Laura Shadbolt" ] Re: [AVALON] A Mad Affair [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Album [KB Porter ] RE: [AVALON] New Album ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] New Album [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Wanted ["michael ferguson" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Going Going Gone [Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephe] [AVALON] Ferry article ["Steve Humphries" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Going Going Gone [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: New Album [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] Re: New Album ["R. Jackson" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:18:17 -0000 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Mad Affair Hi you lot, I very much doubt I'll be going to this, since I'm a bit young for the alcohol side (legally speaking) and my parents would never let me anyway. *And* there's litle chance of me scraping together #25 before the tickets are all sold. Just so you know. Bye Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:37:30 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Mad Affair In a message dated 17/12/00 15:31:30 GMT Standard Time, laura@shadboltc.fsnet.co.uk writes: << Hi you lot, I very much doubt I'll be going to this, since I'm a bit young for the alcohol side (legally speaking) and my parents would never let me anyway. *And* there's litle chance of me scraping together #25 before the tickets are all sold. Just so you know. Bye Laura >> Laura, Thats sad to hear. Maybe you will be able to attend a future event. All the Best Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:36:41 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Album Chris: Given your knowledge base, do you know why Mr. Ferry seems to have fallen into the practice of mothballing original material only to release covers? One might guess the original work is not commercially viable - but is that it? What other factors do you think impact the decision to release or not release finished material, and how much a role, if any, might BF actively play in those decisions? KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:48:01 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] New Album I really don't know. I find it inconceivable that two talents like Ferry and Stewart could fail to come up with something commercially viable, but record companies do not have a good record in recognising winning acts. Maybe they are waiting for a gap in DS career as film director/writer/producer/Eurythmic to promote the stuff. Perhaps BF is acting in his role as critical censor and vetoing release. He has always had the major influence in the decision-making process, not always to his own advantage. Surely there must be an album somewhere within 30-40 tracks? Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KB Porter Sent: 17 December 2000 18:37 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Album Chris: Given your knowledge base, do you know why Mr. Ferry seems to have fallen into the practice of mothballing original material only to release covers? One might guess the original work is not commercially viable - but is that it? What other factors do you think impact the decision to release or not release finished material, and how much a role, if any, might BF actively play in those decisions? KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:47:44 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Album In a message dated 17/12/00 19:05:10 GMT Standard Time, ferryman@freeuk.com writes: << Surely there must be an album somewhere within 30-40 tracks? >> But are these tracks completed? Of course it is not unheard of for a recording artist to have a vast archive of unreleased material. Prince for example is widely thought of as having over 1000 songs in his vaults. The idea of commercial tracks is fascinating when you look back and see that Ferry's work is so rarely out and out commercial. There are perhaps only a handful of songs that i would really deem as commercial. What is really interesting is that, in the UK at least, Ferry's work has been released in the most uncommercial fashion possible (eg: Mamouna album released before lead in single?) I am sure the record company is desperate for a Slave to Love or a Lets Stick Together but, hang on...how well has the recent 'Slave to Love' Compilation done? A huge commercial success? And why, for Heavens sake was the recent double album of 'ATGB' and 'More Than This' not instead ATGB with the 'Slave to Love' compilation? Surely that makes far better commercial sense. 'The Early Years' is another great example. It slipped into stores as if by stealth, utterly unpromoted yet a great commercial package at a superb price. Same with the recent double album sets, has anyone actually seen these in the shops? It seems ridiculous that material is not released as it is 'uncommercial' yet in the rare event of commercial output the releases are botched and swept under the carpet. It is genuinely disappointing for us fans, God knows how Bryan feels about it all. Sorry 'bout the rant. Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:59:39 -0000 From: "michael ferguson" Subject: [AVALON] Wanted Wanted..... I will swap Ferry/Roxy live stuff for similar or official recordings of other Roxy band members. Mike > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:17:32 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Going Going Gone >I . >The thought of a Spring release makes me think our Bry may be in line for a >lifetime achievement Brit award, perhaps! > I don't think awards are necessarily a sign of excellence, but it does seem strange that, after nearly thirty years of work widely regarded as outstanding ( and I don't just mean among those of us on this list), and also - a requirement, of course, for an industry award - commercially successful, Ferry has never won anything at all. Have I missed something? Even supposedly "difficult" artists like Van Morrison and KateBush have a few tin figures keeping their doors open, but not Ferry. Strange. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:56:12 +0100 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Going Going Gone I have a very small, but good, picture of our Man showing off the trophy he received recently in Germany. (Life Achievement award) He was wearing a black suit and black bow-tie - style, class - pure ! I'll scan the picture tomorrow - if the quality is any good I'll let you know The 6th Jan is the date of the tv showing - I've no idea what song(s) he performed - nice weekend , Stephen Tim Kendrick schrieb: > >I . > >The thought of a Spring release makes me think our Bry may be in line for > a > >lifetime achievement Brit award, perhaps! > > > I don't think awards are necessarily a sign of excellence, but it does seem > strange that, after nearly thirty years of work widely regarded as > outstanding ( and I > don't just mean among those of us on this list), and also - a requirement, > of > course, for an industry award - commercially successful, Ferry has never > won anything at all. Have I missed something? Even supposedly "difficult" > artists like Van Morrison and KateBush have a few tin figures keeping > their doors open, but not Ferry. Strange. > > Tim > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:27:47 -0000 From: "Steve Humphries" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry article The December issue of British Airways' 'High Life' magazine has a brief interview with Bryan. In it, he talks about his recent shows in Russia, and says he would like to return in the future, to play in places like Kiev. He also mentions the possibility of future shows in China....... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:20:43 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Going Going Gone In a message dated 17/12/00 21:09:59 GMT Standard Time, tim63@earthlink.net writes: << I don't think awards are necessarily a sign of excellence >> Agreed. Particularly the Brits...ie: Lifetime achievement for The Spice Girls? The Eurythmics? The one thing all lifetime achievers have in common is they have new material for release that they can perform at the show, Bryan as we know, has material due for release around then? .....Mind you, the Beatles have yet to be honoured..... Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:59:43 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: New Album I wish I'd saved the article in paper at the time ATGB was being promoted. Dave Stewart was quoted as already having been in the studio with Ferry doing a Rock & Roll album that everyone would like, but Ferry was too critical of his own work & it had to be perfect as Stewart said Ferry is a perfectionist.----- So it looks to me as Ferry does indeed have the final say & if it doesn't meet his expectation he's not letting it out. I personally wish he'd let the public decide. If the artists he's working with think its good then he ought to let it be released. I wonder why he's afraid? It couldn't hurt him. Will he just continue down the same path as he's been doing? All that work & he want let anyone hear it. It's a shame. -----Also someone mentioned too, Ferry has never done a Christmas album. I was thinking the same & what a boost that would be, plus a pleasure to hear him do O Holy Night. Can you just hear him singing Ave Maria.-------- Well what we do a lot here in Avalon is some wishful thinking. Maybe if we wish hard enough maybe Santa Claus will help us out. If not this year maybe next?--------If I don't get back to post soon I hope all of you have a wonderful holiday with your families & friends. Marlana................ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:40:48 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: New Album My experience with established artists is that they're constantly second-guessing themselves. It's a kid of paranoia about becoming a cliche that probably comes in the same envelope as fame, but I'd be willing to bet that every time Bryan enjoys himself in the studio he spends four months listening to the tapes and calling himself names about it. It's too bad more of these guys don't have someone around who'll say, "What are you talking about? This is GREAT! You sound like you're having a blast! Let's rush and get it out while it's still fresh!" - -Rob (master of speculation...heh...) At 11:59 PM 12/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I wish I'd saved the article in paper at the time ATGB was being >promoted. Dave Stewart was quoted as already having been in the studio >with Ferry doing a Rock & Roll album that everyone would like, but Ferry >was too critical of his own work & it had to be perfect as Stewart said >Ferry is a perfectionist.----- So it looks to me as Ferry does indeed >have the final say & if it doesn't meet his expectation he's not letting >it out. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:03:19 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Roger Bunn Here's what original Roxy guitarist Roger Bunn has been up to: http://www.212.net/mihra/roger.html Not sure about that Billy Idol association... Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #442 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest