From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #437 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, December 13 2000 Volume 05 : Number 437 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] New to the list ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] New to the list [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Cheesy vs. Camp, Round 11 [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 [KB Porter ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list [jeremy72@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 [KB Porter ] [AVALON] this love ["Ferdinand Biesheuvel" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] New to the list [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] This Love audio/video ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] stinky old books [jeremy72@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] KEY: AF4A966-22151D6 ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Super Geordie [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] RE:Books [KRNCHSE@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 ["C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" <] [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_this_love?= [gardner@onmail.co.u] Re: [AVALON] this love [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] This Love ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] This Love ["C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:53:48 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New to the list Martin wrote: There's > also a duet with an internationally famous diva in the can. What's her name? Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:18:06 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] New to the list >Hi Jeremy, > >Welcome on this list, I'm sure you like this list especially if you give it >some time. >Check out Kicki's great website www.avalon.op.se www.avalon.pp.se OR home.op.se/opse3503 is the correct address.... /Kicki G - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:43:21 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cheesy vs. Camp, Round 11 "dead world of American academe..." ??? Granted, I've seen some pretty old teachers in my life but I assure you, their world is far from dead! I'm particularly fond of academicians who multi-task so well - you know the ones, able to saunter, lecture, and write on a board all at the same time. :~) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:37:29 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 Um, yeah, but you are being fantastically elitist and arrogant. You seem to be stating that you are above the peasents who might enjoy their experiences seeing Star Wars or Titanic. Fair play to them I say, we live in a world of FREE CHOICE. I am sorry you have to compromise so that your freinds have the benefit of your company. I'm sure they are very greatful. Big hugs...(in a manly kind of way) Back in the 20th century there was a saying; "Eat shit, 6 billion flies can't be wrong." I think this is what your argument (apparently) boils down to. You come across as confusing the phenomenon of "bad art" (to simplify grossly) with the individual example of a bad movie. The phenomenon is important. The whole field of contemporary mega-bucks blockbusters is important. Titanic is just a piece of crap. If you are into cultural studies, sure, read a book about Titanic, even waste some time seeing the film. But if you don't relate it back to the cultural, social and economic milieu in which the film was produced, you're denying yourself a richness of experience which, if you're "no fan" of the film, is probably the only thing that can redeem the time spent watching it. From the tone of your post, I think we maybe have some common ground here. Hope so! - ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 The Dumb"ing" of America: The Democratic Party's Legacy. The Death of American Academe: A Myth. The Infantile Quality of American Mainstream Culture: Determinism, at best. The Individual's Responsibility: Self Determination, at best. Ferry's Popular American Culture of Yore: Overly Romanced Escapism. Days of Yore: Subjective History. Frame Of Reference: Subjective Context. Reality: Everything. Nothing. Something. One Thing...You Name IT! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:47:50 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list Thanks for the welcomes, everyone. I'll check out the links you left for me when I get a chance. I just finished the book by Paul Stump, last week. It was kind of lame wasn't it? Especially the pictures. To me. I always wait until I've actually read to the pictures section before looking at them. Kind of a reward for making that far into a book, you know? So I was looking forward to some far out pictures and alot of them and got like 5 black and white pics that weren't even high quality. And the way the book drifted off into all of these weird analyses (Sp?) about the "culture" etc. kind of bored me. I remember skipping about 6 pages in the end where they barely mentioned the band or Bryan Ferry. To be the only book available about the band or Ferry, that thing was pretty sad. What did you all think of it? It reminded me of the book about the Clash, Last Gang In Town, in that I felt kind of worse about the band after reading it instead of better. Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: > Hi Adrew, Anyway, I know what you mean about the way Paul Stump talks about Bryan. It does give the wrong impression at first. Tracy. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:07:17 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 Guy Gets Giddy; Celebrates Cerebral Synaptic Synthesis:^> "Why oh why can't we dribbling old gits just turn off our evolved cerebral cortices and celebrate our "inner child" the way we're told to? Are we not, like, just totally "sad" (another fave from the arsenal !)? Yours in fun, Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:04:10 +0100 From: "Ferdinand Biesheuvel" Subject: [AVALON] this love I heard Sarah Brightman singing This Love. Was this song written for Bryan, Sarah or anyone else. BTW Bryans version was much , much better. gr. Ferdinand ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 jeremy72@mindspring.com wrote: [...] > I just finished the book by Paul Stump, last week. [...] > the end where they barely mentioned the band or Bryan Ferry. To be > the only book available about the band or Ferry, that thing was pretty > sad. What did you all think of it? It reminded me of the book about It's not the only book available: - --The Bryan Ferry Story, by Rex Balfour ISBN 0 86044 015 X (1976) - -- Roxy Music: Style with Substance - Roxy's first ten years, by Johnny Rogan ISBN 0352 310766 (1982) - -- Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music, by Barry Lazell & Dafydd Rees ISBN 0 86276 034 8 (1982) - -- Electronic Music: The Instruments, The Music & The Musicians, by Andy Mackay ISBN 0 7148 2176 4 (1981) - --Modern Times, by Peter York ISBN: 0434892602 (1984) [York coined the term "Sloane Ranger" and has written a number of "style" tomes. He's a BIG Ferry fan and takes any opportunity to allude to him. The chapter on Ferry is in the section "Men of Our Time" and has a couple of pics of his London house (apparently it featured in the very first edition of the magazine "Interiors".] I'm not interested in reading band bios, so I can't comment on the quality of any of them (I do have the Balfour book which a friend gave me; it's deliberate hagiography by a Ferry friend so it needs to be salted to taste). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:27:44 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list I have a friend that works at Borders and she said that she looked up books about them in her database and only found the Stump one. What the hell???? I'll have to call her on that. Thanks, Colleen. I love to read band bios. Why don't you read them? Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: It's not the only book available: - --The Bryan Ferry Story, by Rex Balfour ISBN 0 86044 015 X (1976) - -- Roxy Music: Style with Substance - Roxy's first ten years, by Johnny Rogan ISBN 0352 310766 (1982) - -- Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music, by Barry Lazell & Dafydd Rees ISBN 0 86276 034 8 (1982) - -- Electronic Music: The Instruments, The Music & The Musicians, by Andy Mackay ISBN 0 7148 2176 4 (1981) - --Modern Times, by Peter York ISBN: 0434892602 (1984) [York coined the term "Sloane Ranger" and has written a number of "style" tomes. He's a BIG Ferry fan and takes any opportunity to allude to him. The chapter on Ferry is in the section "Men of Our Time" and has a couple of pics of his London house (apparently it featured in the very first edition of the magazine "Interiors".] I'm not interested in reading band bios, so I can't comment on the quality of any of them (I do have the Balfour book which a friend gave me; it's deliberate hagiography by a Ferry friend so it needs to be salted to taste). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:31:59 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] this love It was written by Craig Armstorng and sung by Liz Frazier of the Cocteau Twins. It was on the album The Space Between Us, released 97/98. SimonG >>> "Ferdinand Biesheuvel" 12/13 2:04 pm >>> I heard Sarah Brightman singing This Love. Was this song written for Bryan, Sarah or anyone else. BTW Bryans version was much , much better. gr. Ferdinand ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:36:09 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] New to the list On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Martin Stockman wrote: > Colleen is always sceptical and sometimes with good reason. If I > collate all the available information, some from sources close to the > Maestro, it becomes apparent that a lot of material has been laid down > in the past 12 months. I believe he's recorded new stuff with members > of the tour band, with at least 3 Roxy members, and with another group > of players. There's also a duet with an internationally famous diva in > the can. Now. How much, if any, of this will be released. And who > knows where or when. It's a genetic flaw, I'm afraid: I am constitutionally unable to swallow tripe whole, regardless of its source. Ferry must have dozens of songs in various levels of completion--stretching back to the Dave Stewart collaboration--none of which have seen the light of day. I actually do believe that they exist; it's just that the promise(s) never seem to materialize. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:34:20 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] This Love audio/video Found it here: http://melankolic.astralwerks.com/craig_armstrong/thislove.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:44:45 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list Collen wrote: The chapter on Ferry >is in the section "Men of Our Time" and has a couple of pics of his London >house (apparently it featured in the very first edition of the magazine >"Interiors".] This beautiful piece of English writing can be found on my site, http://www.avalon.pp.se under the article section. Look for the link "Bryan's interior (Harper's&Queen 1983)" This is where it first appeared. /kicki G - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:50:34 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 jeremy72@mindspring.com wrote: > I have a friend that works at Borders and she said that she looked up > books about them in her database and only found the Stump one. What > the hell???? I'll have to call her on that. Thanks, Colleen. I love With all due respect, there's more to the world than Borders (or Amazon.com, for that matter). And many of these may be out of print, so you'll have to dig through second hand bookstores, eBay, &tc. But that's part of the fun, isn't it? > to read band bios. Why don't you read them? Limited time and too many other interesting things to read. And generally I'm more interested in the music (and in the larger music world) than in the history of how the band came together, although I do understand how that is of interest to others. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:01:11 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list Following up on my own post (my apologies) with this P.S. > > to read band bios. Why don't you read them? And because most of them are poorly written and poorly researched fluff pieces designed to soak fans for money and then run. There are some spectacular exceptions to this rule, but the people who are capable of writing those exceptions are capable of writing well on any subject and in any situation, and I would (and do) read what they wrote on any topic, even if I weren't a fan of that particular artist or subject. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:06:38 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Guy Lawley wrote: > to? Are we not, like, just totally "sad" (another fave from the > arsenal !)? Don't forget "bitter." From what I hear they go hand-in-glove. On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Um, yeah, but you are being fantastically elitist and arrogant. You > seem to be stating that you are above the peasents who might > enjoy their experiences seeing Star Wars or Titanic. Fair play to them > I say, we live in a world of FREE CHOICE. I am sorry you have to > compromise so that your freinds have the benefit of your company. I'm > sure they are very greatful. I think you are missing the points which undergird this discussion, and I don't think it's too far off topic for this list: a world view which admits no critical thought, no weighing of the merits of an individual work of culture (popular or high), and fears to make any kind of judgement is just as bad as one which criticizes everything and can't find anything to be redeemed in cultural artifacts (such as Laura suggested when she wrote in essence that all campy items were merely crap). Yes, some things we can (almost) all agree are crap and somethings are masterpieces. And in between is the interesting conversation. I can eat at The Inn at Little Washington and at McDonalds and enjoy them both. But at the same time I can also be aware that there is a difference between the two. In fact, it diminishes both experiences if I do not do so. It's not an all or nothing proposition. Was it Kierkegaard who suggested that the world might not be "and/or" but instead "both/and?" And isn't that a much more interesting way to live? Certain Roxy played the conventions of what was camp or kitsch or even cheese and what was elite. Ferry has spent most of his life creating a style which both embraces and pokes fun at class conventions, from the story recently reported here via Paul Thompson about his accent to the frayed collars on his expensive shirts. The dark and seedy and sophisticated allure of Ferry and of Roxy, the intelligence, the discernment, the courage to make decisions about what was worth celebrating and what was not is what keeps their music vibrant and alive 25 years later. It's not just Ferry--the other members of the band have gone on to do very interesting things and for the most part to keep that spirit alive in what they are doing. It's not just riding the Nostalgia Circuit for them (which is also why I fear a reunion just for the sake of a reunion--take the money and run). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:21:02 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list There's a more complete bibliography at www.roxyrama.com under miscellany. The definitive Roxy book is yet to be written. The Stump book is the only one currently available, but try www.bibliofind.com for out-of-print titles. I recommend the Lazell/Rees book for good early history, and an easy style. The Rogan book is a thinly concealed scrapbook of contemporaneous quotes, which feels like one is reading a tabloid style account of the band. Rex Balfour was the late Simon Puxley, who was Ferry's friend and publicist, and although understandably hagiographic, the book does have some interesting insights into Ferry's mid-Seventies lifestyle. Stump's book, although a laudable concept, suffers from poor research, is strewn with factual errors (Ferry apparently has a daughter, which must come as a surprise to him), is full of bogus psychological theorising and has few new or good pictures. Andy Mackay's book is excellent, but is not about Roxy. There is a good German discography by Juergen Wanda (who was kind enough to mail me the other day) , but everything else is the usual pop pap. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 13 December 2000 14:51 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 jeremy72@mindspring.com wrote: > I have a friend that works at Borders and she said that she looked up > books about them in her database and only found the Stump one. What > the hell???? I'll have to call her on that. Thanks, Colleen. I love With all due respect, there's more to the world than Borders (or Amazon.com, for that matter). And many of these may be out of print, so you'll have to dig through second hand bookstores, eBay, &tc. But that's part of the fun, isn't it? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:51:14 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list Ooo, no. I would hate that. I also prefer a nice crisp clean new book to a stinky old one. And I'm much too impatient to go looking through used book store shelves for stuff. I'm even too impatient to order things online. I like to have them NOW. Today!!! I think it's fun to read about the formations and what adventures they might have had, or why they wrote a particular song or something. Plus they're usually easy reads. I'm all about ease and comfort aren't I? I sound like a spoiled brat. Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: With all due respect, there's more to the world than Borders (or Amazon.com, for that matter). And many of these may be out of print, so you'll have to dig through second hand bookstores, eBay, &tc. But that's part of the fun, isn't it? > to read band bios. Why don't you read them? Limited time and too many other interesting things to read. And generally I'm more interested in the music (and in the larger music world) than in the history of how the band came together, although I do understand how that is of interest to others. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:51:30 -0600 From: "Mary Rose Chibnall" Subject: Re: [AVALON] GONNA HAVE FUN... hi Johnny. whats going to happen? is it that band you keep going to see that plays Roxy Music and are they going to play for all of us on the list? when will they come to the US? it is very cold here so maybe they don't want to come here now but I could let them use my automatic car starter so their car would be warm when they get into it. Mary Rose _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:55:26 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie & New to the list Wow. You are really articulate, Colleen. I wish I could express myself with as much clarity and thought. I can't. ;-) I guess I'm a fan of fluff. Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: > Following up on my own post (my apologies) with this P.S. > > to read band bios. Why don't you read them? And because most of them are poorly written and poorly researched fluff pieces designed to soak fans for money and then run. There are some spectacular exceptions to this rule, but the people who are capable of writing those exceptions are capable of writing well on any subject and in any situation, and I would (and do) read what they wrote on any topic, even if I weren't a fan of that particular artist or subject. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:14:03 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] stinky old books Sometimes seconhand is all you get. Take what you can..... SimonG >>> 12/13 3:51 pm >>> Ooo, no. I would hate that. I also prefer a nice crisp clean new book to a stinky old one. And I'm much too impatient to go looking through used book store shelves for stuff. I'm even too impatient to order things online. I like to have them NOW. Today!!! I think it's fun to read about the formations and what adventures they might have had, or why they wrote a particular song or something. Plus they're usually easy reads. I'm all about ease and comfort aren't I? I sound like a spoiled brat. Jeremy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:48:58 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] stinky old books I know, I know. Sorry. I'm not as much of a jerk as I sounded like in that post. My sense of humor didn't read as well as I wanted it to. I'll keep an eye out for them if I'm ever around a used bookshop. That Roxyrama page is great!!! Jeremy avalon@smoe.org wrote: > Sometimes seconhand is all you get. Take what you can..... SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:54:58 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] KEY: AF4A966-22151D6 Key to what? Is this the one thing we're all looking for? >>> "Richard Cartland" 12/10 8:33 pm >>> KEY: AF4A966-22151D6 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:37:40 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Super Geordie >Hi. Another question. Paul Stump's book has a chapter titled something like "The Making of Super Geordie". He makes out that this is how Ferry is referred to in Newcastle. Is he really held in such high esteem? Newcastle people, by nature, have a natural affection for "sons" and "daughters" of the area (although if you're born 20 miles south of the Tyne you are by definition Spawn of Satan.) Ferry is more a Geordie by proxy, albeit an affectionately held one. As such Roxy have always had a massive following in Newcastle (with the Great Paul Thompson usually highest on the clapometer during band introductions.) Bizarrely, Geordies seem to be very much into high fashion but with a personal slant (based no doubt on the fact that we nick most of our stuff then customise it so that it's not recognised as being part of a job lot featured on the latest edition of Police 5) Ferry epitomises that "knows what to wear and how to make it his own" process. The "lads" therefore tend to think "he's alreet that Ferry bleuk, one of us like". The highest accolade he could achieve. He publically acclaims his roots and often refers to his time at Newcastle University and his growing up in Washington C.D. with genuine affection. A case of you can take the man out of the North East but you can't take the North East out of the man. A quote oft bandied by Ferry in interviews. TGPT's quip was made hot off the train from The Central Station presented with Ferry's "southernised" sanitised accent, which came out as peculiarly Darras Hall ( a very nobby part of the North East where they wear dinner jackets when mowing the lawn), an accent that has changed little over the years. >almost God-like, in that part of the country? Our Gods are all footballers. Stevie B, what's your take on the subject as you're more qualified than anyone here (unlurking that is) to comment? BTW, welcome newcomers one and all. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:11:27 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] RE:Books << And many of these may be out of print, so you'll have to dig through second hand bookstores, eBay, &tc. >> Just thought it was worth a mention-Anyone looking for used/new/out of print books would be well advised to look at Bookfinder.com. Regards DM. Well i,m drunk today......... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:35 +0100 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 If I remember correctly, Kiekegaard named one of his books "Entweder - Oder" (only in Danish or Latin or what), which I'd translate "either - or". And he was heavily against Hegel as far as I remember, presumably as well against against the dialectics of thesis - antithesis - synthesis. (Sorry for being dull and clinical.) So that would exclude the "both/and" proposition. But I think I see what you mean. Roxy/Ferry to me are a very good example of both being "high" and "low" art (if there's any use in those labels). And they were so very well in combining emotionality with detached irony, though Ferry has grown more heartfelt in his interpretation over the years, I'd say. Roxy are one of the few really multi- dimensional layered bands - there's more beneath the surface (for the most part), but you can sing and dance along as well. There's darkness, and there's drive. I'm not proposing eclecticism here, but opposing dogmatism (except for my own (laughter)) - you can enjoy Kandinsky, Feininger et al., and also enjoy pop art or readymades. The world is all there, and the distinctions of high and low culture aren't something naturally given, but rather arising out of the concrete context. Still, there's a lot of crap, for sure. I would heavily agree. Christian >It's not an all or nothing proposition. Was it Kierkegaard who suggested >that the world might not be "and/or" but instead "both/and?" And isn't >that a much more interesting way to live? Certain Roxy played the >conventions of what was camp or kitsch or even cheese and what was elite. >Ferry has spent most of his life creating a style which both embraces and >pokes fun at class conventions, from the story recently reported here via >Paul Thompson about his accent to the frayed collars on his expensive >shirts. The dark and seedy and sophisticated allure of Ferry and of Roxy, >the intelligence, the discernment, the courage to make decisions about >what was worth celebrating and what was not is what keeps their music >vibrant and alive 25 years later. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:39:00 +0000 From: gardner@onmail.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_this_love?= "This love" was written by Craig Armstrong and a female called Jerry Burns - she is a friend from here in Glasgow and had her own album released on Sony about eight years ago. She also sings this song and has contributed backing vocals to an earlier , longer and more haunting version / demo of the song by Bryan.........[ which I was lucky enough to hear]. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:03:40 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] this love This Love was originally by Craig Armstrong. It was sung by the lead singer of Cocteau Twins. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:10:38 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie Police 5> Crikey, is that still on? Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:40:58 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] This Love I was told that Ferry's version of This Love dated from the Dave Stewart sessions of circa 1996, and by implication therefore pre-dated Armstrong's own version. I was also told that it added to the STL album as an inducement to buy, but was considered the weakest of the unreleased material. Ferry can't be a real Geordie as I've seen him wearing a coat when it's cold...and he doesn't keep his tabs stuffed in the sleeve of his T-shirt... Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:02:59 +0100 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love Oh dear! If This Love is the weakest track from the sessions, what about the other tracks? I think it's a great version by Bryan, but the Frazer/Armstrong version is wonderful as well - Liz Frazer is undoubtedly one of the most unique female pop voices on the planet. If you need to know, listen to the Cocteau Twins' "Milk & Kisses", "Heaven Or Las Vegas" and "Treasure" albums for instance. I think she likes Bryan as singer, must have read that somewhere... Christian >Von: "Chris Turner" >An: >Betreff: [AVALON] This Love >Datum: Mit, 13. Dez 2000 20:40 Uhr > >I was told that Ferry's version of This Love dated from the Dave Stewart >sessions of circa 1996, and by implication therefore pre-dated Armstrong's >own version. I was also told that it added to the STL album as an inducement >to buy, but was considered the weakest of the unreleased material. > >Ferry can't be a real Geordie as I've seen him wearing a coat when it's >cold...and he doesn't keep his tabs stuffed in the sleeve of his T-shirt... > >Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:01:56 +0000 From: gardner@onmail.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_This_Love?= The song has been around for a few years - The version I heard was a more dense demo version of the STL version which lasted for about eight to ten minutes. Jerry Burns wrote the lyric and co - wrote the music and her vocals from her own recording were in the original Ferry mix . this was in the summer of 98 - this love and another half finished song by Ferry called Frantic were sent to her by the man himself. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:04:00 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] A MAD AFFAIR... Ladies and Gentlemen, Madames et Messieures, Boys and Girls... We are proud to announce the Avalon get together that you have all been waiting for... The night to end all nights.. - ------------------- 'A MAD AFFAIR' - ------------------- SATURDAY, 17TH FEBRUARY, 2001 at 'THE SPOT' (where the beat's really hot) - a mere cigarette butts throw from The Strand, London Town, England. A night of heart stopping frivolity and mystery is promised, but just to whet your appetites... REMAKE REMODEL - Now BOOKED to play their debut UK date.. A raffle of autographed goodies with a SPECIALLY DONATED top prize... RARE and UNSEEN Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry footage onscreen... Lively banter and reminiscing with your Avalonian touring chums... But, more than this, who's that coming round the corner ? No, No, No, Yeah !!!... VERY SPECIAL GUESTS to be announced on the night... Tickets are limited to 100, numbered and collectable. #25 admission includes ALL THIS, plus FOOD, and a LATE BAR. As ever - this is a non-profit Avalonian production. It's going to be bigger than CASTLE HOWARD! BOOK NOW to avoid disappointment - remember numbers are limited to 100 for this special event... and admission is by TICKET ONLY... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOOKINGS to JOHNNY REECE johnny.reece@virgin.net FURTHER INFO from JOCELYN FISKE jocelyn.fiske@greyeu.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look out too - for our forthcoming Web preview page entitled 'A MAD AFFAIR' for helpful Hotel Info, a special preview of REMAKE REMODEL 'Live', and a little spicy taste of the forthcoming new Avalonia video - 'A RHAPSODY DIVINE'... "Gonna Have Fun" ! ... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #437 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest