From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #436 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, December 13 2000 Volume 05 : Number 436 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Entertainment Camp Kitsch [M Gussekloo ] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 ["=?iso-8859-1?B?VGjpcuhzZSBPJ0Rvbm5l] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] festive cheer ["=?iso-8859-1?B?VGjpcuhzZSBPJ0Rvbm5lbGw=?=" ] Re: [AVALON] festive cheer ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] my head hurt's from thinking [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic: UK ["David Firmin" ] [AVALON] New to the list [jeremy72@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] Off topic: UK [BPhilipson@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New to the list [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] UK ? OK ! ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] New to the list [jeremy72@mindspring.com] Re: Re: [AVALON] New to the list [KRNCHSE@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New to the list ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic: UK ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] New to the list ["linn van vliet" ] Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie ["David Firmin" ] RE: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 ["Guy Lawley" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:42:36 +0100 From: M Gussekloo Subject: [AVALON] Entertainment Camp Kitsch >if entertainment means switching off one's brain for two hours > - then the answer, to me, is no! Then the answer to me is yes! I find it quite relaxing to watch "Full House" after a long day of studying neural networks and heuristic search algorithms. I know it's bad taste, but on the other hand, singing about a plastic doll isn't that good a taste either... :) gus PS Camp, kitsch, rubbish, what does it matter? As long as it's some sort of inspiration it's allright with me. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:52:13 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 Absolutely agreed. Mass popular entertainment speaks volumes about the ways its purveyors have developed to separate the customer from his/her cash. Crikey its all getting pretentious isnt it? Has it not occured to you that Bryans lack of chart success has been due to mismarketing of his work? The single releases of 'Your Painted Smile' and 'As Time Goes By' came long after their respective albums had been released. As Bryans audience would have already purchased these albums the releasing of these singles was totally redundant. Now look at the realese of 'I Put A Spell on You.' Correctly marketed in order to advertise the album (ie: released a couple of weeks BEFORE the album). What I am trying to illustrate is the following: Dont think that Bryan Ferry, when he is popular enough, is shy of making money. Yes he produces great music but he doesn't do it for free. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:18:06 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 Pretentious? Agreed! It's like being back at University with some dribbling old git talking about the one hand clap and such like (not a disease!). SimonG :-) >>> 12/12 11:52 am >>> >Absolutely agreed. Mass popular entertainment speaks volumes about the ways >its purveyors have developed to separate the customer from his/her cash. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:05:46 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?VGjpcuhzZSBPJ0Rvbm5lbGw=?=" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 How dare anyone make remarks about their noble colleagues in the education sector! Therese (not a dribbling old git) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Simon Galloway > Sent: 12 December 2000 12:18 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 > > > Pretentious? Agreed! It's like being back at University with some > dribbling old git talking about the one hand clap and such like > (not a disease!). > > SimonG :-) > > >>> 12/12 11:52 am >>> > >Absolutely agreed. Mass popular entertainment speaks volumes > about the ways > >its purveyors have developed to separate the customer from his/her cash. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:08:57 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 > Fair enough, we are all massively impressed, but to ignore contemporary >cinema shows narrow thought. Yes, much of it is utter crap but it can often >be very relevant. Mass popular entertainment often speaks volumes to those >willing to be humble enough to bother to listen. > This is nonsense. There is nothing closed-minded or snobbish about observing that TITANIC is trash. Virtually all interesting work in Cinema is now made by independent companies. And for good theatre you need to go off-broadway. the mainstream 'product' is simply abysmal. And you illuminate that fact by the use of the word 'relevant.' This is a word only ever used by those who don't give a toss about art in any way. ( And incidentally never by people who work in any sort of art for a living, excet of course when they're promoting it o Oprah.) Similarly, STAR WARS is 'imaginative' precisely to those who have no imaginatiomn whatever. Does any of this matter? I think it does, greatly. Not all points in history are of equal worth, and at the beginning of the 20th Century the West happens to be at a dead time. And I don't think, by the way, that I 'ought' to be 'humble' while accepting the crap that is served up to me. I think I should be angry, as should you. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:42:57 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?VGjpcuhzZSBPJ0Rvbm5lbGw=?=" Subject: [AVALON] festive cheer Dear All Due to popular(ish) demand, the meeting for CSottish Avalonians has been moved to 7.30 for 8 pm on the 27th December as we thought more people might be able to come at this time. Please again reply to me or Diane Whateley offlist if you can make it. Cheers Therese ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:51:01 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 Tim, you angry young man! I am no fan of Titanic but it is culturally important, Its the highest grossing film of all time.. Just becuse I dont like something doesn't mean I have to dismiss it automatically. Try reading this: 'Titanic' BFI Publishing David M. Lubin (A Professor of Art no less) 'And I don't think, by the way, that I 'ought' to be 'humble' while accepting the crap that is served up to me. I think I should be angry, as should you.' For Heavens sake you are allowed to choose what you watch, listen to etc.. you know? But then you'd have nothing to be pissed off about then. Jonathan PS: Similarly, STAR WARS is 'imaginative' precisely to those who have no imaginatiomn whatever. Youve just insulted millions with that sweeping generalisation. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:00:47 +0100 From: M Gussekloo Subject: [AVALON] Off topic: UK This is slightly fairly off topic. But does anyone know the band UK and if it's any good? I read their entry in the AllMusicGuide and saw there were RoxyMusic members involved. Are they a danceable solution or just faking the streetlife? (Bad joke) gus ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:09:45 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] festive cheer Hmmm..... draw your own conclusions! ;-) >How dare anyone make remarks about their noble colleagues in the education >sector! >Therese (not a dribbling old git) >>> "Thirhse O'Donnell" 12/12 1:42 pm >>> >Dear All > >Due to popular(ish) demand, the meeting for CSottish Avalonians has been >moved to 7.30 for 8 pm on the 27th December as we thought more people might >be able to come at this time. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:40:00 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] my head hurt's from thinking Tim, what's wrong with you? Why are you so negative? Don't you know that *Everyone* Is A *Winner*? Aren't you afraid that someone will call you "pretentious"? How can you possibly live with being called such an insulting name? Do you need a hug? Make the grownups stop fighting. Bryan Ferrys', #1! ..,.,., Roxy Music RuLEz!!!!! Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:42:07 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic: UK UK is Great! Especially the line-up with with former Roxy alumni Eddie Jobson (Violin, Keyboards) and John Wetton (Bass, Guitar, Vocals.) Bill Bruford is awesome on Drums (coming only second to Paul Thompson.) Give 'em a listen. David - ---------- >From: M Gussekloo >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Off topic: UK >Date: Tue, Dec 2000, 6:00 AM > > This is slightly fairly off topic. But does anyone know the band UK > and if it's any good? I read their entry in the AllMusicGuide and saw > there were RoxyMusic members involved. Are they a danceable solution > or just faking the streetlife? (Bad joke) > > gus Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:19:33 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] New to the list Hello. Anyone out there? My name's Jeremy. I just subscribed to the list. I guess I'll do my introduction. Let's see, I got into Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry heavily last Summer. I remember More Than This and Slave To Love from my MTV days. I'm 28, by the way. But I never followed up on my immense love for More Than This until last year. On a whim I bought a used copy of Avalon and loved it. I was in a band and mentioned to the drummer that I thought covering More Than This would be cool, not knowing of any 10,000 Maniacs version. Turned out Roxy Music was a fave of his and he taped the Street Life compilation and the Viva albums for me. So, I got more into the stuff from there. I soon snatched up every used Bryan Ferry album I could find, which were more readily available than Roxy discs for some reason. I digress. I took a trip to Chicago and did a major spree there and found a ton of his stuff including the As Time Goes By disc. When was the tour for that? I'm wonder! ! ing if I'd seen the concert at the 9:30 Club in Washington, DC, before I bought the album. I'm pretty sure I did. I live in Baltimore, MD in the USA. Another "by the way". Sorry. So, anyway, got all his solo albums and a couple Roxy discs. The lady I was seeing in Chicago got me the More Than This video collection for Christmas. I watched it while she slept in the other room and she woke up just in time to see the video that has Anna Nicole Smith in it. She said "I've just lost all respect for that man." Funny lady. Umm, I kinda lost the feel for it because I had problems with the lady and quit listening for a while but finally am back to being comfortable hearing the stuff again and recently went and got the Roxy albums I didn't have yet. I was missing out on some cool stuf, huh? So, let me wrap this up, I'm really just babbling here aren't I? Umm, I've only seen Mr. Ferry that one time last year. Great concert. I've never seen the 9:30 Club look so pretty and ! ! never felt like I should have dressed up in there either. My fave song is still More Than This. Although End Of The Line is in the running, currently. My fave Roxy album would be Siren or the first one. Fave Ferry solo album is probably As Time Goes By. His voice is beautiful on there. I know he was talking about recording an album of original tunes for this year, so I'm eagerly anticipating that and another tour hopefully. I look forward to being further educated by you guys and hearing/reading some interesting discussion hopefully. What are you talking about these days? Is the new album going to be in the same slow, ethereal funk style that he's been mining for several years? What other groups are people into? Is this list pretty active? Are you a close knit bunch? Am I annoying you with all of these questions? I'll be quiet. Thanks for reading. I'm anxious to hear about everyone. Jeremy Stewart ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:13:26 EST From: BPhilipson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic: UK I like them. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] New to the list On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 jeremy72@mindspring.com wrote: [...] > you guys and hearing/reading some interesting discussion hopefully. > What are you talking about these days? Is the new album going to be > in the same slow, ethereal funk style that he's been mining for > several years? What other groups are people into? Is this list > pretty active? Are you a close knit bunch? Am I annoying you with > all of these questions? I'll be quiet. Thanks for reading. I'm > anxious to hear about everyone. Currently we are talking about critical thinking, camp, kitsch, Star Wars, pretentious gits, &tc., so it's a pretty normal day on the list. You can read the archives at http://www.smoe.org/lists/avalon if you are so inclined. Personally I don't believe that there really is a new album of originals since I've been here 6 or 7 years and it's always discussed but it's yet to be seen. Sort of like Bigfoot. I'll leave you to persue the archives instead of answering the rest of your questions. But yes, this is an active group. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:17:46 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] UK ? OK ! An August personage asks: > This is slightly fairly off topic. But does anyone know the band UK > and if it's any good? Are they a danceable solution > or just faking the streetlife? (Bad joke) UK (Jobson/Wetton/Holdsworth/Bruford, later Jobson/Wetton/Bozzio) are seriously jazz/fusion/prog, like a less introverted Hatfield and The North or National Health - if you like Bill Bruford's and/or Allan Holdsworth's solo output, you'll be at home here. Basically I love UK now, but hated them at the time. Fans of Quiet Sun may find them interesting too, but be warned - ROXY THEY ARE NOT !! A danceable solution ? Hmm, possibly, but it won't be a pretty sight... Regards, Ivor. BTW Blimey, two weeks is a long time in Avalon, isn't it ? I'm trying to catch up but it's going to take a while. Never mind, soon time to deck the Ive with Hols and Bolly... n.p. Miles Davis The Complete Plugged Nickel' (Santa came early this year - seems to have used my credit card as well, the blighter !) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:36:37 -0500 From: jeremy72@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] New to the list Thanks, Colleen. Funny. He is a slow worker isn't he? So, has this new stuff he talked about last year been floating around for 6-7 years? That's crazy. But I guess good art takes time, or something. I'll try and take a peek at the archives when I can. Lord knows I goof off enough at work. It's not too active today it doesn't seem like...Are alot of list people in England? Jeremy Currently we are talking about critical thinking, camp, kitsch, Star Wars, pretentious gits, &tc., so it's a pretty normal day on the list. You can read the archives at http://www.smoe.org/lists/avalon if you are so inclined. Personally I don't believe that there really is a new album of originals since I've been here 6 or 7 years and it's always discussed but it's yet to be seen. Sort of like Bigfoot. I'll leave you to persue the archives instead of answering the rest of your questions. But yes, this is an active group. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:51:25 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] New to the list But yes, this is an active group. >> Or if you are of a fragile nature,best just sit back and be entertained..........Welcome, Regards, DM. Well i'm drunk today.............. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:11:26 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New to the list Hi Jeremy, Welcome on this list, I'm sure you like this list especially if you give it some time. Check out Kicki's great website www.avalon.op.se (which is in fact the website of this group) and www.roxyrama.com for your roxy/ferry education. The site has his own archive, a link you can find on the roxyrama-site. Han >Is the new album going to be in the same slow, ethereal funk style that he's been mining for several years? What other groups are people into? Is this list pretty active? Are you a close knit bunch? Am I annoying you with all of these questions? I'll be quiet. Thanks for reading. I'm anxious to hear about everyone. > > Jeremy Stewart ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:13:53 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic: UK > This is slightly fairly off topic. But does anyone know the band UK > and if it's any good? I read their entry in the AllMusicGuide and saw > there were RoxyMusic members involved. Are they a danceable solution > or just faking the streetlife? (Bad joke) > > gus 'Arty Farty' is what I call this kind of music normally but 'sucky' is a good alternative. Symphonic-rock is what they call this, isn't it? Brrrr. Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:25:26 +0100 From: "linn van vliet" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New to the list Hi Jeremy, So nice to read your long introduction; it gives a good picture of you, thanks. I just joined as well and enjoy reading everything that the list members write everyday. I mostly subscribed to hear about the latest news and information, thoughts and discussions on the subject of Mister Ferry and Roxy Music. Anyway, good to have you with us, greetings Linn - ---------- >From: jeremy72@mindspring.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] New to the list >Date: Tue, Dec 12, 2000, 18:19 > > Hello. > > Anyone out there? My name's Jeremy. I just subscribed to the list. I > guess I'll do my introduction. Let's see, I got into Roxy Music and Bryan > Ferry heavily last Summer. I remember More Than This and Slave To Love > from my MTV days. I'm 28, by the way. But I never followed up on my > immense love for More Than This until last year. On a whim I bought a used > copy of Avalon and loved it. I was in a band and mentioned to the drummer > that I thought covering More Than This would be cool, not knowing of any > 10,000 Maniacs version. Turned out Roxy Music was a fave of his and he > taped the Street Life compilation and the Viva albums for me. So, I got > more into the stuff from there. I soon snatched up every used Bryan Ferry > album I could find, which were more readily available than Roxy discs for > some reason. I digress. I took a trip to Chicago and did a major spree > there and found a ton of his stuff including the As Time Goes By disc. > When was the tour for that? I'm wonder! > ! > ! > ing if I'd seen the concert at the 9:30 Club in Washington, DC, before I > bought the album. I'm pretty sure I did. I live in Baltimore, MD in the > USA. Another "by the way". Sorry. So, anyway, got all his solo albums > and a couple Roxy discs. The lady I was seeing in Chicago got me the More > Than This video collection for Christmas. I watched it while she slept in > the other room and she woke up just in time to see the video that has Anna > Nicole Smith in it. She said "I've just lost all respect for that man." > Funny lady. Umm, I kinda lost the feel for it because I had problems with > the lady and quit listening for a while but finally am back to being > comfortable hearing the stuff again and recently went and got the Roxy > albums I didn't have yet. I was missing out on some cool stuf, huh? So, > let me wrap this up, I'm really just babbling here aren't I? Umm, I've > only seen Mr. Ferry that one time last year. Great concert. I've never > seen the 9:30 Club look so pretty and ! > ! > ! > never felt like I should have dressed up in there either. My fave song is > still More Than This. Although End Of The Line is in the running, > currently. My fave Roxy album would be Siren or the first one. Fave Ferry > solo album is probably As Time Goes By. His voice is beautiful on there. > I know he was talking about recording an album of original tunes for this > year, so I'm eagerly anticipating that and another tour hopefully. I look > forward to being further educated by you guys and hearing/reading some > interesting discussion hopefully. What are you talking about these days? > Is the new album going to be in the same slow, ethereal funk style that > he's been mining for several years? What other groups are people into? Is > this list pretty active? Are you a close knit bunch? Am I annoying you > with all of these questions? I'll be quiet. Thanks for reading. I'm > anxious to hear about everyone. > > Jeremy Stewart > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:18:00 -0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie Hi Adrew, To answer your question, Bryan Ferry is not thought of as God-like in Newcastle, and neither is he seen as a "big pooftah like" or "a smarmy git like". THere is a certain amount of respect in Newcastle for Bryan and for Roxy Music for that matter. When I mention I like Elvis, people laugh, but when I mention Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music, it's always, 'oh I liked this song' and 'have you got this album' etc. That's the impression I get, having lived in the North East all my life. Anyway, I know what you mean about the way Paul Stump talks about Bryan. It does give the wrong impression at first. Tracy. >From: Adrew Howard >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Super Geordie >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:38:18 -0800 (PST) > >Hi. Another question. Paul Stump's book has a chapter titled something >like "The Making of Super Geordie". He makes out that this is how Ferry is >referred to in Newcastle. Is he really held in such high esteem, almost >God-like, in that part of the country? I would have thought the opposite >i.e that Bryan would have benn labelled a "big pooftah like" from the early >Roxy days, and "a smarmy git like" for his upper class pretentions. >Anyone??? > >Regards, > >Drew > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Send a cool gift with your E-Card >http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:46:28 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie Drummer Paul Thompson is another Geordie. He states on his web page "I bought a copy of the "Melody Maker" the ad said "wonder drummer wanted for avante rock group", I rang the number, and a bloke with a bit of a posh accent (with a slight geordie tinge) answered, it was Bryan Ferry. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:11:06 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Crikey its all getting pretentious isnt it? Has it not occured to you that Bryans lack of chart success has been due to mismarketing of his work? The single releases of 'Your Painted Smile' and 'As Time Goes By' came long after their respective albums had been released. As Bryans audience would have already purchased these albums the releasing of these singles was totally redundant. Now look at the realese of 'I Put A Spell on You.' Correctly marketed in order to advertise the album (ie: released a couple of weeks BEFORE the album). - --------------------------------------------------------------- Is this what pretentious dribbling old gits call Commodity Fetishism? Believe it or not, I really wasn't trying to make a point about Ferry's "lack of chart success," rather about the pitiful state of pop culture. Some folks have odd priorities. When someone "dares" to speak their mind against the prevailing pop modes, I love the way the baby birds reach into their little arsenal of ripostes and regularly pull out "pretentious." As Colleen has pointed out, this hurts almost as much as "negative." As some politician once remarked about Geoffrey Howe, "It's like being savaged by a dead sheep." Why oh why can't we dribbling old gits just turn off our evolved cerebral cortices and celebrate our "inner child" the way we're told to? Are we not, like, just totally "sad" (another fave from the arsenal !)? Yours in fun, Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:21:17 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Camp Kitsch-Chapter 94 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Simon Galloway Pretentious? Agreed! It's like being back at University with some dribbling old git talking about the one hand clap and such like (not a disease!). SimonG :-) - --------------------------------------------------------------- For the record, my view on all that "one-hand-clapping", "if a tree falls in the forest and there's no-one to hear it, is there really any sound?" shite probably accords with yours, Simon! Confucius he say, "It's all a load of borrocks, innit?" Call me a "dribbling old git" if you must, but not a dribbling old Zen git, fer chrissake! :o) Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:43:14 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New to the list Jeremy, welcome > Personally I don't believe that there really is a new album of originals > since I've been here 6 or 7 years and it's always discussed but it's yet > to be seen. Sort of like Bigfoot. Colleen is always sceptical and sometimes with good reason. If I collate all the available information, some from sources close to the Maestro, it becomes apparent that a lot of material has been laid down in the past 12 months. I believe he's recorded new stuff with members of the tour band, with at least 3 Roxy members, and with another group of players. There's also a duet with an internationally famous diva in the can. Now. How much, if any, of this will be released. And who knows where or when. The demographic of Avalonia is also an interesting question. My guess is 40% US, 25% Uk&I. 25% Continental Europe, 10% the rest. Chris may be able to tighten that up .. Martini ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:51:45 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com > Youve just insulted millions with that sweeping generalisation. ---------------------------------------------------------- Back in the 20th century there was a saying; "Eat shit, 6 billion flies can't be wrong." I think this is what your argument (apparently) boils down to. You come across as confusing the phenomenon of "bad art" (to simplify grossly) with the individual example of a bad movie. The phenomenon is important. The whole field of contemporary mega-bucks blockbusters is important. Titanic is just a piece of crap. If you are into cultural studies, sure, read a book about Titanic, even waste some time seeing the film. But if you don't relate it back to the cultural, social and economic milieu in which the film was produced, you're denying yourself a richness of experience which, if you're "no fan" of the film, is probably the only thing that can redeem the time spent watching it. From the tone of your post, I think we maybe have some common ground here. Hope so! - ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: [AVALON] Super Geordie I assumed the "Super Geordie" tag was meant to be ironic. Like the cartoonist in days of old who took the piss out of dribbling old British Prime Minister Harold MacMillan by calling him "Supermac" (and drawing him in Superman costume and flying through the air). In that case, the tag stuck to the PM for a while and became a term of endearment, probably ended up doing him good in public opinion terms. Can't see the SuperGeordie nickname going down in history quite the same way. I love the quote below from PT. Thanks for posting it! Regards, dribbling old Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of David Firmin Sent: 12 December 2000 23:46 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Super Geordie Drummer Paul Thompson is another Geordie. He states on his web page "I bought a copy of the "Melody Maker" the ad said "wonder drummer wanted for avante rock group", I rang the number, and a bloke with a bit of a posh accent (with a slight geordie tinge) answered, it was Bryan Ferry. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #436 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest