From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #434 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, December 11 2000 Volume 05 : Number 434 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] 1996 tour ["C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" ] Re: [AVALON] Cheesy vs. Cheesy [avalon-digest V5 #432] ["David Squires" ] [AVALON] Re: Reecey's News [avalon-digest V5 #432] ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic-Sucky ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] 1996 tour ["Han Snijders" ] [AVALON] KEY: AF4A966-22151D6 ["Richard Cartland" ] Re: [AVALON] Saturday Telegraph- is this who I think it is? ["Theresa Fag] [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December ["Reecey" ] Re: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December ["Prince of Happiness" ] [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 [jas2347@xsite.net] Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 ["R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1996 tour >Didn't he wear the red coat that he also sported on the More Than This >compilation ? > The recording of the show in Holland I saw on TV (or rather I only watched Bryan's bits as the rest was not too interesting by comparison) featured a red-coated Bryan. In Dortmund in Germany (11/11/95) he wore a black suit, I think. He saved the whole evening. I remember being bored almost to death by the likes of Andrea Bocelli and Judy Weiss. He must have done it mainly for financial reasons, I guess. Which is understandable if you consider that Mamouna wasn't utterly successful commercially, to put it mildly. Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:48:10 0000 From: "diane whateley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Saturday Telegraph- is this who I think it is? Saw this in the magazine section in an article by one David Thomas about tweenies(!). snip>..I heard a very different story from the wife of an extremely famous, astounding affluent rock star. Her 11 year-old boy and his chums- all the sons of normal local families- lead a life that sounds like something out of 'Just William'. As the autumn floods rose around them, they constructed rafts with old curtains for sails and set off across the waterlogged fields. 'I'm thrilled and amazed at how outdoors-y these boys are,' says the delighted rock mum. 'They have a lot of fun. I wish I was one of them'. Subject: [AVALON] Off topic-Sucky For what it's worth, sucky was a word used by contemporaries when I was growing up in Nottingham in the 1960's. It was used (by both Boys and Girls) to mean pathetic and weak, childish and/or effeminate. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:05:41 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cheesy vs. Cheesy [avalon-digest V5 #432] On 9 Dec 2000, at 4:05, KBP wrote: > Misunderstands are less likely to occur between east and west, > north and south if everyone remained cognizant of our list members' > diversity and endeavored to understand and respect members who > have shared their frame of reference in a reasonably coherent > manner. Errr... run that one by me again? :-) David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:05:41 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Reecey's News [avalon-digest V5 #432] On 9 Dec 2000, at 4:05, MarlanaK wrote: > Could this somewhat be the News about to happen?------The line up for > the UK's ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES FESTIVAL to be held APRIL 6-8 in > CAMBER SANDS. --Chicago Instrumental outfit TORTOISE is "curating" & > performing at this yrs. edition which is set to feature the first live > appearance in eight yrs. from New York rock act TELEVISION.---More > artists will be added in the coming wks.---- Will Ferry be > performing? No, but he and Television's Tom Verlaine (who plays the world's only Fender Paranoidcaster, and very well too) will finally be discussing which bits of Siren Bryan stole from Tom before a live audience. Get your tickets now! David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:24:06 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] the price of freindship All it seems is forgiven (or at least grossly exagerated by the press) I have it on good authority that Bryan is taking Antony Price to South Africa for Christmas. Friends again! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cheesy vs. Camp, Round 11 [Marlana honey, you'll probably want to just skip to, the next post.] On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Tim Kendrick wrote: > These things are not kitsch - they're CRAP!! There's a difference? ;-) > Though an interesting side question ( not to encourage this digression > on AVALON) would be - does a good book become bad simply because the > monstrous Oprah Winfrey includes it on her book list? The to my mind > unreadable Toni Morrison is seen throughout American academe as well > as by Oprah fans as the ultimate 'great' contemporary novelist. Which > says a lot I guess about the dead world of American academe... When good books go bad...hmmm. No, I'd have to admit that sometimes Oprah stumbles upon good and/or non-kitschy books despite herself (and that I do watch her show with a tremendous sense of guilty pleasure--but, hey, in my case it's camp, right?). I'm a little too close to the world of American academe to comment impartially on your comment, but I will confess that I did like _The Bluest Eye_. Then again, I like unreadable fiction (Richard Powers, anyone?). On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Camp: Bryan in leather jacket baseball cap and sunglasses in the > photography for the Taxi inlay. > > Kitsch: Bryan performance on the Miss World show. Ok, s/he said it, I didn't. Actually, this isn't merely an academic discussion because 15 years ago--or perhaps even 5--it would have been camp and not kitsch. But there's more to Ferry and Roxy than just some tra la la camp stylings, and for many of us here he's more than just a guy with good hair and nice clothes who sings pretty songs. There's something more substantive, darker, sophisticated, and romantic (in all senses of the latter two). And something unsavory, seedy even. There is--or there used to be--a balance between the winking ironic thrill of it all and the yearning for something Real and something true. This combination of camp and gravitas, bitter and sweet, hope and despair, is what keeps me coming back for more. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:58:04 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic-Sucky I guess it was the word I was looking for. It perfectly describes the power of Ferry/Roxy without Thompson. > For what it's worth, sucky was a word used by contemporaries when I > was growing up in Nottingham in the 1960's. It was used (by both Boys > and Girls) to mean pathetic and weak, childish and/or effeminate. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:13:30 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1996 tour Yes he did, but not in all the shows. You must have a video of that Martin :-) Got it ? Han - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: Martin Stockman Aan: Verzonden: zondag 10 december 2000 9:25 Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] 1996 tour > Didn't he wear the red coat that he also sported on the More Than This > compilation ? > > > ---------- > >From: "Han Snijders" > >To: > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1996 tour > >Date: Sat, Dec 9, 2000, 7:42 pm > > > > >> Picked this up on J. Delmere's website under the Bryan Ferry profile. > >> Anyone have more info? > >> > >> May-June 1996: "Tours with an orchestra and various other musicians (e. g. > >> Gary Brooker, Roger Hodgson) in a kind of classical rock package tour. > >> Performs 4 songs, including "She's Leaving Home"." > > > > It was the Heineken Night of the promms. > > > > Bryan played:Jealous Guy, Avalon, Let's stick together and Slave to love > > > > The encore was Hey Jude with all the singers taking one part of the song. > > It was broadcast by the Dutch and Belgium television. With him was Audrey > > Wheeler as Backing Singer. > > > > Bryan didn't looked very comfortable at that time. It was obvious a very > > easy way to make a lot of money. > > You can hear it it all on "all styles served here" (except Avalon.) > > > > He did not play 'she's leaving home' as far as I know. The Dutch performance > > was somewhere in september or early november. > > > > Han > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:33:39 -0000 From: "Richard Cartland" Subject: [AVALON] KEY: AF4A966-22151D6 KEY: AF4A966-22151D6 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:13:44 +0100 From: "linn van vliet" Subject: Re: [AVALON] TFT Bloody hell Antoine, I think it is age, I love Boys and Girls and actually I think it is one of his best albums ever. Windswept, Don't stop the dance etc. they are great and they sound so good live as well. These are the songs that really catch me and drag me along. I wonder why people think this is not really good? Ofcourse it is a matter of taste and it is hard to argue about this, but we should never stop debating about it anyway. When I heard BF sing Bittersweet at the North Sea Jazz last July, it filled me with a kind of happiness, I have never really experienced before. This song also has the sort of melancholy that Windswept and DSTD have too. Anyway, just felt like sharing this, greetings Linn - ---------- >From: Antoine Bianchi >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] TFT >Date: Sat, Dec 9, 2000, 15:23 > > Hello, > > So These Foolish Things is cheesy, camp, kitsh, etc. OK. But the most > important thing is that These Foolish Things is excellent. This is a > word that everyone understands, and that everyone will agree on! > > All the best, > Antoine > > P.-S.: Boys And Girls is excellent, too. But not everyone will agree here... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:34:07 -0500 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Saturday Telegraph- is this who I think it is? Even though the media think that Bryan is 56 (somehow) -- neither of Bryan's youngest sons are eleven. I believe Tara & Merlin are both ten years old. - --TriTri - ----- Original Message ----- From: "diane whateley" | Saw this in the magazine section in an article by one David Thomas about tweenies(!). | | snip>..I heard a very different story from the wife of an extremely famous, astounding affluent rock star. Her 11 year-old boy and his chums- all the sons of normal local families- lead a life that sounds like something out of 'Just William'. As the autumn floods rose around them, they constructed rafts with old curtains for sails and set off across the waterlogged fields. 'I'm thrilled and amazed at how outdoors-y these boys are,' says the delighted rock mum. 'They have a lot of fun. I wish I was one of them'. Subject: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December Little titbit in the press today, about Bryan being 'burgled', as it were, with a quad bike, and a horse trailer going missing last week from an 'orchard outhouse' at his home in Sussex. The little article described Bryan as 'lead singer of Roxy Music'. I think I should email the paper to tell them he's had a solo career too, just in case they hadn't realised. And, can I just say, as I didn't throw my 2d worth in at the time, that TFT kicks the ass of Pin-ups, big time. I do like Bowie, but I'm afraid Pin-Ups is one of his (along with the Space Oddity album) that I really can't stand. Having said that, Aladdin Sane is a masterpiece. Personal opinions abound ! Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:12:28 -0600 From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December >The little article described Bryan as 'lead singer of Roxy Music'. >I think I should email the paper to tell them he's had a solo career too, >just in case they hadn't realised. Does Peter Murphy have the same problems in the British press as well? Is he still referred to as "that Bauhaus guy?" How many albums do you have to release to be accorded as a solo artist? >And, can I just say, as I didn't throw my 2d worth in at the time, that TFT >kicks the ass of Pin-ups, big time. I think it's about high time I go and check this album out... I do like Bowie, but I'm afraid Pin-Ups >is one of his (along with the Space Oddity album) that I really can't >stand. >Having said that, Aladdin Sane is a masterpiece. Aladdin Sane is my favorite over Ziggy any time. Sounds harder, etc. But I was wondering what was the deal with 1973? Both For Your Pleasure and Aladdin Sane seemed to have darker undertones to it, and a darker sound. I mean to myself, Do the Strand, despite the lyrics, sounds almost menacing, like you've been ordered to do so or prepare to face the consequences. In Every Dreamhome a Heartache and Bogus Man just seem...eerie. Could somebody shed some light on this? The Prince of Happiness "But the funny thing is what happened to her nose. Ooo it grew till it reached all her toes, and when people said that her feet smelled they meant her nose."-Lou Reed "Andy's Chest" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:23:37 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December Peter Murphy has never had that problem. In Britain he was always known as 'That guy in the Maxell tape advert' anyway. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Prince of Happiness Sent: 10 December 2000 22:12 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December >The little article described Bryan as 'lead singer of Roxy Music'. >I think I should email the paper to tell them he's had a solo career too, >just in case they hadn't realised. Does Peter Murphy have the same problems in the British press as well? Is he still referred to as "that Bauhaus guy?" How many albums do you have to release to be accorded as a solo artist? >And, can I just say, as I didn't throw my 2d worth in at the time, that TFT >kicks the ass of Pin-ups, big time. I think it's about high time I go and check this album out... I do like Bowie, but I'm afraid Pin-Ups >is one of his (along with the Space Oddity album) that I really can't >stand. >Having said that, Aladdin Sane is a masterpiece. Aladdin Sane is my favorite over Ziggy any time. Sounds harder, etc. But I was wondering what was the deal with 1973? Both For Your Pleasure and Aladdin Sane seemed to have darker undertones to it, and a darker sound. I mean to myself, Do the Strand, despite the lyrics, sounds almost menacing, like you've been ordered to do so or prepare to face the consequences. In Every Dreamhome a Heartache and Bogus Man just seem...eerie. Could somebody shed some light on this? The Prince of Happiness "But the funny thing is what happened to her nose. Ooo it grew till it reached all her toes, and when people said that her feet smelled they meant her nose."-Lou Reed "Andy's Chest" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:33:48 -0600 From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December >Peter Murphy has never had that problem. In Britain he was always known as >'That guy in the Maxell tape advert' anyway. Aha! Well that simplifies that. The Prince of Happiness "But the funny thing is what happened to her nose. Ooo it grew till it reached all her toes, and when people said that her feet smelled they meant her nose."-Lou Reed "Andy's Chest" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:33:38 -0000 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December > >The little article described Bryan as 'lead singer of Roxy Music' Maybe they know something we don't! To be fair chaps, the article I downloaded from the Sunday Mirror website discribed him as... "Ferry, lead singer with Roxy Music and a successful solo artist, lives in the West Sussex village of Little Bognor. " ...unless it was altered after publication (possibly after a certain e-mail Mr. Reece?) Anyway hope he was insured, he could have made a bogus claim for a stolen race horse! Regards Neil - ----- Original Message ----- From: Prince of Happiness To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sunday Mirror 11th December > >The little article described Bryan as 'lead singer of Roxy Music'. > >I think I should email the paper to tell them he's had a solo career too, > >just in case they hadn't realised. > Does Peter Murphy have the same problems in the British press as well? > Is he still referred to as "that Bauhaus guy?" How many albums do you have > to release to be accorded as a solo artist? > > >And, can I just say, as I didn't throw my 2d worth in at the time, that TFT > >kicks the ass of Pin-ups, big time. > I think it's about high time I go and check this album out... > > I do like Bowie, but I'm afraid Pin-Ups > >is one of his (along with the Space Oddity album) that I really can't > >stand. > >Having said that, Aladdin Sane is a masterpiece. > Aladdin Sane is my favorite over Ziggy any time. Sounds harder, etc. > But I was wondering what was the deal with 1973? Both For Your Pleasure and > Aladdin Sane seemed to have darker undertones to it, and a darker sound. > I mean to myself, Do the Strand, despite the lyrics, sounds almost > menacing, like you've been ordered to do so or prepare to face the > consequences. In Every Dreamhome a Heartache and Bogus Man just > seem...eerie. Could somebody shed some light on this? > > > > The Prince of Happiness > "But the funny thing is what happened to her nose. Ooo it grew till it > reached all her toes, and when people said that her feet smelled they meant > her nose."-Lou Reed "Andy's Chest" > http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:05:39 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Lifetime Award I'm told by a Roxyrama visitor that Ferry's Lifetime Award Ceremony will be on German TV - Channel 1 ARD on Saturday, Jan 6 at 8:15 pm German time Here's the news in German: http://de.news.yahoo.com/001203/3/17k32.html ARD might also be available on Satellite, perhaps someone can help here. Cheers Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:08:21 -0600 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:21:00 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cheesy vs. Camp, Round 11 Though an interesting side question ( not to encourage this digression on AVALON) would be - does a good book become bad simply because the monstrous Oprah Winfrey includes it on her book list? The to my mind unreadable Toni Morrison is seen throughout American academe as well as by Oprah fans as the ultimate 'great' contemporary novelist. Which says a lot I guess about the dead world of American academe... Tim Tim: Are YOU a member of academia? I don't want to go off the subject of this list but what qualifies you to critique Toni Morrison or Oprah for that matter? Million of viewers and readers and the Pulitzer Prize committee can't be all wrong you know. Both of those woman are admired for what they have achieved and the positive messages that they send out to everyone. It's something I think Bryan would agree on. Non academic nor wanting to be one Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:48:19 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Camp Kitch-Chapter 12 At 11:08 PM 12/11/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Tim: >Are YOU a member of academia? I don't want to go off the subject of >this list but what qualifies you to critique Toni Morrison or Oprah for >that matter? Million of viewers and readers and the Pulitzer Prize >committee can't be all wrong you know. Both of those woman are admired >for what they have achieved and the positive messages that they send out >to everyone. It's something I think Bryan would agree on. > >Non academic nor wanting to be one > >Jas Oooh, do we have to speculate as to what Bryan would think of Oprah? ;-) I admire anyone who can succeed despite racial and sexual prejudice, but my personal (non-academic..heh...) opinion of Oprah is that she operates at something close to the level of a cult leader. She's a hugely successful businesswoman who uses her name recognition to peddle every imaginable product, including her reading list. If Bryan approves of her business practices I certainly don't want to know it. ;-) - -Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:10:07 +0100 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lifetime Award >I'm told by a Roxyrama visitor that Ferry's Lifetime Award Ceremony will be >on German TV - Channel 1 ARD on Saturday, Jan 6 at 8:15 pm German time > >Here's the news in German: > >http://de.news.yahoo.com/001203/3/17k32.html > I've looked up the news on the net and it seems that the rest of the show must be pretty embarrassing for the most part. I mean: if I read names like DJ Vtzi, Udo Lindenberg and Franz Beckenbauer (me: the opposite of a Bayern Munich fan), this doesn't make a very good celebration. If you can get ARD somehow, just watch it - you'll see what I mean afterwards. Anyway, it's good that Bryan gets some laurels at last. I'll try to record the show.... if I don't forget it. Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #434 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest