From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #431 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, December 8 2000 Volume 05 : Number 431 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry [Antoine Bianchi ] Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson [Adrew Howard ] Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry ["linn van vliet" ] Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson [BPhilipson@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson [AMeyersLD@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] festive cheer! ["=?iso-8859-1?B?VGjpcuhzZSBPJ0Rvbm5lbGw=?=" ] [AVALON] GONNA HAVE FUN... ["Reecey" ] Re: [AVALON] GONNA HAVE FUN... [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] re: does anyone know.....? [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry gets around (at a Bowie website) ["Gene" Subject: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry Hello, >From reading the posts it would seem that long time Bowie fans (over >15 years) also like Roxy/Ferry, but newer fans (5 years or less) >don't know much and dismiss them because of the Avalon album. I'm 22 (and I'm new on this list, so hi everyone!) and I've been a Bowie fan before discovering Ferry and Roxy Music. I tend to prefer Ferry now, and Avalon would have to be one of my favorite albums... But then I like Bowie's eighties albums as well (yes, I'm the guy who likes them!). >So, 27 years on which is it? These Foolish Things has the greater >range of songs/styles, and the most interesting >arrangements/interpretations. Pin Ups is basically Bowie tarting up >the originals from a certain era, with the exception of maybe See >Emily Play which was heavily reworked from the Pink Floyd original. >They both work, and I'm inclined to prefer Pin Ups. It's a little >less cheesey than These Foolish Things, but Bowie does overdo the >"theatrics" a little. These Foolish Things would have to be my favorite over Pin Ups. Pin Ups is trying to bring new life in songs that had never died anyway, whereas These Foolish Things has a very clever song selection. And I love the cheesyness of it, too! Greetings from Switzerland, Antoine ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Adrew Howard Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:45:06 +0000, Martin Stockman wrote: > > Didn't see Paul's credit on Boys and Girls. > Yeah and doesn't that say smething. The one great shame about Boys & Girls and Bete Noire is the monotonous drone of the drum box. Pity becasue they are two of the gretest guitar albums ever. Drew _______________________________________________________ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:57:23 +0100 From: "linn van vliet" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry Hi Antoine, Nice to hear that you joined the Avalon list as well. I did about a week ago. I like to read the discussions that appear on my screen. Like you I am 22 and began as Bowie fan (actually before that Billy Idol was my heaven) and turned to Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music. Especially when I saw the film 'the Velvet Goldmine'. Anyway, good to have you among us, now I don't feel like the only 'teenager' here. Kind Regards, Linn from Holland - ---------- >From: Antoine Bianchi >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry >Date: Thu, Dec 7, 2000, 12:33 > > Hello, > >>From reading the posts it would seem that long time Bowie fans (over >>15 years) also like Roxy/Ferry, but newer fans (5 years or less) >>don't know much and dismiss them because of the Avalon album. > > I'm 22 (and I'm new on this list, so hi everyone!) and I've been a > Bowie fan before discovering Ferry and Roxy Music. I tend to prefer > Ferry now, and Avalon would have to be one of my favorite albums... > But then I like Bowie's eighties albums as well (yes, I'm the guy who > likes them!). > >>So, 27 years on which is it? These Foolish Things has the greater >>range of songs/styles, and the most interesting >>arrangements/interpretations. Pin Ups is basically Bowie tarting up >>the originals from a certain era, with the exception of maybe See >>Emily Play which was heavily reworked from the Pink Floyd original. >>They both work, and I'm inclined to prefer Pin Ups. It's a little >>less cheesey than These Foolish Things, but Bowie does overdo the >>"theatrics" a little. > > These Foolish Things would have to be my favorite over Pin Ups. Pin > Ups is trying to bring new life in songs that had never died anyway, > whereas These Foolish Things has a very clever song selection. And I > love the cheesyness of it, too! > > Greetings from Switzerland, > Antoine > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:31:16 EST From: BPhilipson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson Which is exactly his point! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:18:36 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson In a message dated 12/7/00 2:49:06 AM, soeteman@uni-bremen.de writes: << Didn't see Paul's credit on Boys and Girls. > His contribution on Mamouna was very discreet as well - almost Cageian in its silence >> That just shows how brilliant he is! Andrew In Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:35:10 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?VGjpcuhzZSBPJ0Rvbm5lbGw=?=" Subject: RE: [AVALON] festive cheer! Ok, Ok so Diane and I can take being unpopular. We can take that you don't want festive cheer. We can take that you don't consider us proper BF/RM fans (just). But we do not believe that you all don't want to spend some time talking solely about our hero. We have not been inundated with replies to our e-mail about drinks in Glasgow on the 20th. Come on, what's up with you all? We're not serial killers and we'll buy our round, so come on and join the maestro worshipfest. There's plenty of you in the Glasgow area (yeah we might be stalkers of course) so come on and commit yourselves to a fun evening. If you're shy bring a pal, or your Mum can bring you and wait at the door until you look like you'll be ok on your own. Whatever. Just get off your butts and come out! If that date is a problem, let us know and we'll see what we can do. The venue is to be the Tron at in the Glasgow X area. We wanted a BF type place, and while the Rogano is a great idea, we presume no one wants to take on vast mortgages to pay for a cup of tea there. Our e-mails are therese.odonnell@strath.ac.uk and d.whateley@lycos.com Go on and live a little. Last year at this time you had the concert in Glasgow. This year what will you have to look forward to? At the moment unless you come to this little drinkies do, not much. Come on. Cheers Therese & Diane ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:29:21 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] GONNA HAVE FUN... Ladies and Gentlemen of Avalonia... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Tired of the Tango ? Fed up with Fandango ? Where do we go from here ? Some place near the desert Strand ? At the spot where the beat's really hot ? Next week, we'll be making a very important announcement to the List. It's heaven sent... It's highbrow. Holy. Hi as Fi can go... It's been a long time coming, but well worth waiting for. So many details are being finalised as we speak, but a night of unparallelled high stepping chorus lines is promised. For Your Pleasure. More details next week. More than this. - - - - - - - - - - Yours, preparing to walk out in style, Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:23 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] GONNA HAVE FUN... Reecey's gonna announce his engagement to Lucy...no hang on Julia...etc....Who needs Madonna and Guy Ritchie!!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:30:36 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] re: does anyone know.....? hi all I read an interview with BF recently and he said that the 'As Time Goes By' project came from him being asked to contribute a song for Ian Mckellen's film version 'Richard 3rd'. This song was never used....Does anyone know what it was called and if it is avaliable? Also, has Bryan ever performed 'Feel the Need' live and if so, could anyone direct me to a boot with this on? While i'm here does anyone know when the rumored BF box set is due to hit the shelves? I have tried asking this questions at the official site and....well, lifes too short to wait for an answer........ Fellow Avalonions, please don't fail me!!!!!!! Jonathan. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:46:40 -0800 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson Finest is the key word. Boys and Girls was a sucky album as well as all the solo output from any Roxy member post '78 or so... My personal favorite Thompson sessions were: Eno Here Come the Warm Jets (1974) Ferry These Foolish Things (1973) Ferry Another Time, Another Place (1974) Ferry Let's Stick Together (1976) Ferry In Your Mind (1977) Mackay In Search of Eddie Riff (1974) Mackay Resolving Contradictions (1978) Manzanera Diamond Head (1975) Manzanera K Scope (1978) - -- Roxy Music Link Central http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/amlinks.html - ---------- >From: "Martin Stockman" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson >Date: Wed, Dec 2000, 11:45 PM > > ---------- >>From: "David Firmin" >> Did you know that all the Roxy members utilized Paul on their finest solo >> albums? >> > > Didn't see Paul's credit on Boys and Girls. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:50:13 -0500 From: "Gene" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry gets around (at a Bowie website) - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:05 AM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry gets around (at a Bowie website) Hi everyone, I haven`t had much time to devote to the list lately, so in the event I`m unable to get back before the new year, I want to wish everyone happy holidays and welcome all of these new people. >So, 27 years on which is it? These Foolish Things has the greater range of songs/styles, and the most interesting arrangements/interpretations. Pin Ups is basically Bowie tarting up the originals from a certain era, with the exception of maybe See Emily Play which was heavily reworked from the Pink Floyd original. They both work, and I'm inclined to prefer Pin Ups. It's a little less cheesey than These Foolish Things, but Bowie does overdo the "theatrics" a little. > >SimonG I seem to recall several friends of mine having Pin-Ups when it was released, but after Bowie`s 1980 Floor Show broadcast *everyone* had a copy of Pin-Ups.(then a copy of the "Dollars In Drag" bootleg) Not to take anything away from These Foolish Things, but Pin-Ups was far superior, IMO, and I still love "I Can`t Explain" and "Sorrow". Most of my friends and I were into Bowie more than Roxy/Ferry probably because Bowie performed killer shows in New Orleans several times....twice in '72 and even dedicated the song "Time" to the city (as stated on the album). Roxy played the city only once in '76 and rarely appeared on the rock shows (In Concert, Midnight Special etc.). Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:21:01 +0000 From: stevesiren Subject: [AVALON] Pin-ups vs. These foolish things Two great albums, but although it has got to be TFT for me, if only for the title track. the section on Pin-ups where Rosalyn segues into Here comes the night , is one of the great moments in pop. Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:25:16 +0000 From: stevesiren Subject: Re: [AVALON] re: does anyone know.....? I'm pretty sure that feel the need has never been performed live in the uk. but perhaps Avalonians from other parts can tell you about the rest of the world, Steve KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > hi all > > I read an interview with BF recently and he said that the 'As Time Goes By' > project came from him being asked to contribute a song for Ian Mckellen's > film version 'Richard 3rd'. This song was never used....Does anyone know what > it was called and if it is avaliable? > > Also, has Bryan ever performed 'Feel the Need' live and if so, could anyone > direct me to a boot with this on? > > While i'm here does anyone know when the rumored BF box set is due to hit the > shelves? > > I have tried asking this questions at the official site and....well, lifes > too short to wait for an answer........ > > Fellow Avalonions, please don't fail me!!!!!!! > > Jonathan. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:32:18 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Paul Thompson At 07:46 AM 12/07/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Finest is the key word. Boys and Girls was a sucky album as well as all the >solo output from any Roxy member post '78 or so... Geez, I've gotta stop enjoying Mamouna so much... - -Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:17:42 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: 'Richard 3rd'. In a message dated 07/12/00 20:43:39 GMT Standard Time, KWil632057@aol.com writes: << I read an interview with BF recently and he said that the 'As Time Goes By' project came from him being asked to contribute a song for Ian Mckellen's film version 'Richard 3rd'. This song was never used....Does anyone know what it was called and if it is avaliable? >> The song he recorded for 'Richard 3rd' ended up on As Time Goes By. I think it was Sweet And Lovely but was never used for 'Richard 3rd' Regards John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:34:15 +1100 From: "S Clarke" Subject: [AVALON] Very green and very far away Hello Thirhse and Diane Thanks for your kind invitation and I would LOVE to join you but right now Australia feels like a very long way from Glasgow. I guess I will just have to raise a glass or three and have a heated, animated, obsessive, slightly fanatical discussion with myself. Hope it is a magic evening for you. Will be thinking of you with envy, Shelley ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:08:37 +0100 From: "Franck Ruffino" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF - Live at Wolverhampton Sorry but I didn't get files on the news (I was late) and don't know what's Napster... Can you put the files online again in the news please ? Thanks, Here by the Seine, amities from France, Franck. - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Doe To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:05 PM Subject: [AVALON] BF - Live at Wolverhampton > After several requests, I put the files online through Napster as well > as the newsgroup. > > You can find them under my account which is "ztag100" and the > files are there, ready to be xfer'd at will. > > Kevin > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:56:57 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Pin-ups vs. These foolish things, Cheesy vs. Camp Two fine albums indeed, but for me, TFT has the edge. As for why... "I Can't Explain"! I take mild exception to the use of the word "cheesy" in connection with TFT. "Cheesy" seems to be a word Americans are comfortable with, and has been percolating into European English too for at least ten years. It's not *because* it's a Yankism that I don't like the word though; it just helps explain why I'm not sure I know what it means (being London England born meself, guv). "Cheesy" seems to have exclusively negative connotations, so even when someone says (as they recently did) that parts of TFT are "deliberately cheesy" it says, to me, "deliberately bad". An English equivalent might be "naff", perhaps (?). It seems to me that the appropriate term is "camp" rather than cheesy. Maybe because, as a (straight male) teenager when I discovered Ferry/Roxy in 1974 (and Bowie and Elton John) I was breathing an atmosphere heavy with the great smell of Camp. I know "camp" is a very vague term too. Any word that can be used to describe both Noel Coward and the TV Batman & Robin certainly covers a lot of ground. But is has one important distinction from "cheesy" for me, and that is that is descriptive, not judgmental. It doesn't equate with "bad". "Deliberately cheesy" = "so bad it's good" in my book. I don't accept the whole "so bad it's good" concept. I don't have any problem with "camp as a row of tents" though! So: These Foolish Things: It's not cheesy. It's just camp. Just a personal view. Any thoughts? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of stevesiren Sent: 08 December 2000 00:21 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: [AVALON] Pin-ups vs. These foolish things Two great albums, but although it has got to be TFT for me, if only for the title track. the section on Pin-ups where Rosalyn segues into Here comes the night , is one of the great moments in pop. Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:42:10 -0000 From: terry.lane@rs-components.com Subject: RE: [AVALON] festive cheer! Being an exiled Scot living in Corby I would love to meet up with you guys in Glasgow but work commitments prevent this from happening but if I lived a bit nearer I would jump at the chance to meet up for a night talking about the "chosen one" ,so come on you Scottish Avalonians what are you waiting for. Terry - -----Original Message----- From: Thirhse O'Donnell [mailto:therese.odonnell@strath.ac.uk] Sent: 07 December 2000 17:35 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] festive cheer! Ok, Ok so Diane and I can take being unpopular. We can take that you don't want festive cheer. We can take that you don't consider us proper BF/RM fans (just). But we do not believe that you all don't want to spend some time talking solely about our hero. We have not been inundated with replies to our e-mail about drinks in Glasgow on the 20th. Come on, what's up with you all? We're not serial killers and we'll buy our round, so come on and join the maestro worshipfest. There's plenty of you in the Glasgow area (yeah we might be stalkers of course) so come on and commit yourselves to a fun evening. If you're shy bring a pal, or your Mum can bring you and wait at the door until you look like you'll be ok on your own. Whatever. Just get off your butts and come out! If that date is a problem, let us know and we'll see what we can do. The venue is to be the Tron at in the Glasgow X area. We wanted a BF type place, and while the Rogano is a great idea, we presume no one wants to take on vast mortgages to pay for a cup of tea there. Our e-mails are therese.odonnell@strath.ac.uk and d.whateley@lycos.com Go on and live a little. Last year at this time you had the concert in Glasgow. This year what will you have to look forward to? At the moment unless you come to this little drinkies do, not much. Come on. Cheers Therese & Diane ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon *************************************************************** The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. 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Ergo "sucky" : someone with normal appetite who engages in pleasurable activity. Boys and Girls is indeed a sucky album David. Thanks for your patience. Martineaux ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #431 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest