From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #422 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, December 2 2000 Volume 05 : Number 422 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Miss World [Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperre] Re: [AVALON] (AVALON) Perfumed Sigh Video [Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de] Re: [AVALON] Miss World ["C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: The Price of Friendship [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Ferry Footage [Doll819@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: The Price of Friendship [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Miss World : (Out in the cold In the wildernessagain.) ["Chr] RE: [AVALON] the world is your oyster ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] the world is your oyster ["linn van vliet" ] [AVALON] honoured ["Reecey" ] [AVALON] One-Way Conversation Between Wilde and Ferry [Betsy Fowler ] RE: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Re: Brussels: Cirque Royal video [Ida M Miller ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:20:32 +0100 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World Simon Galloway schrieb: > So true. At least he could have made some effort at performing though. Fantastic that our Bryan had the opportunity to take this stage (tenth choice or not), but if he was forced to mime, what a shame. Do you think he would have personally chosen to perform Beauty Queen in the original version ? Bryan still has a lot to offer, 56 or not, he needs a ******* decent management and the motivation to capulate him back to the top. Nice weekend, Stephen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:24:41 +0100 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] (AVALON) Perfumed Sigh Video Franck Ruffino schrieb: > My turn :-) > > Please add my name to the Perfumed Sigh Video list ... > so whats the status - can anyone help us obtain this, please ? Best rgds, Stephen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 11:09:26 +0100 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World I guess you don't want to talk about the show anymore, but, as I haven't seen it: what was so strange about Ferry's miming, could somebody please tell me? I'd be interested to know - didn't he open his mouth when the vocal spots arrived or did he juggle with two harmonicas during the solo? That would have been a bit subversive indeed. Christian Still avant after all those years....? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:14:51 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: A Ruddy Perfumed Sigh Video!!!!!!!!!! If there are any kind hearted Avalonions out there who have the video and could perhaps, ahem...duplicate it im sure those without would stump up the cash to cover postage, time and a blank tape....Anybody?? On another note, i know someone who recently embarked on a business venture opening a new boutique with Antony Price and trust me, Price has lost it big time. He activly turned down promoting the shop because all the interviewers (The Times, Telegraph, etc) wanted to discuss his Roxy work. The business has now collapsed, leaving vast debts for all concerned. Antony even owes Bryan some #15,0000. Therefore it is safe to assume they are no longer as close as they have been. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:39:09 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: A Ruddy Perfumed Sigh Video!!!!!!!!!! - ---------- >From: KWil632057@aol.com > On another note, i know someone who recently embarked on a business venture > opening a new boutique with Antony Price and trust me, Price has lost it big > time. He activly turned down promoting the shop because all the interviewers > (The Times, Telegraph, etc) wanted to discuss his Roxy work. The business has > now collapsed, leaving vast debts for all concerned. Antony even owes Bryan > some #15,0000. Therefore it is safe to assume they are no longer as close as > they have been. Interesting post. Who are you ? We posted out the last of 200 "A Perfumed Sigh"s in September. So much for people who think there's only 50 people on Avalon. The latest idea is to put it on DVD. Would that be of interest ? I think the company that did the copying would want their cash up front this time, (I was a little slow in settling up first time around,) so i'll have to consider that aspect. This is a lot more work than burning CDs and I vowed never to get involved in trees again (the air mail sticker, the customs declaration, the combination of stamps, the endless wrapping and gumming, the waiting in line at the Post Office, the odd person suggesting I'm profiteering, chasing non-payers) but such is the demand from new, friendly Avalonions that I suppose we should bang out a few more. No orders yet please. Let me work out how we'll do it this time. Martino ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 08:43:03 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World : (Out in the cold In the wildernessagain.) Chris wrote: "Less than rumoured from what I hear." Dear Chris, please share with us what it is that you have heard. You, so close to the action and in the know, don't hold out on us! Do tell. Also: "The following part of your post is where you have wavered from the discussion into an implied criticism of me or others here. That implicit message is deeply unworthy of you. Nasty and bitter. How sad and jaundiced you truly must be. Or were you doing that irony thing again?" Chris. Shame on you. Colleen wrote documented fact. You responded with invective and innuendo. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:01:09 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: A Ruddy Perfumed Sigh Video!!!!!!!!!! DVD would be good and id be happy to pay. I'd rather not name myself as my friend is still involved in legal wranglings over the shop. Suffice to say Antony Price is far more concerned with keeping chickens (i kid you not, in the shop he had a copy of Poultry Gazette amongst the Vogues, Harpers and Queens etc..) than the world of fashion and the friends who supported him (ie: Bryan). He has crossed the line from eccentric to malicious and idiotic. Very sad. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:15:11 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: [AVALON] Pimp, Pimp, Beep, Beep. Just watched Bruce Hornsby perform live in Rockefeller Plaza, New York, as the guest musician on NBC's Today Show. Every Friday and Saturday, the very popular Today Show hosts a concert "Live on the Plaza" with various musicians. At least two of the musician's selections are televised, unedited (truly live), with real instruments playing and no lip sync. I think Mr. Ferry would do quite well to obtain a date. Let him play anything, bring anyone, just get him out there in a relaxed or comfortable mood. He's charm could work wonders in the US - if only he would avail himself of the opportunities. Of course, only if he is willing. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:30:42 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Price of Friendship Dear KWil632057@aol.com: Thank you for writing. Interesting news. Assuming it is incontrovertible, this failed venture might explain Price's recent disregard displayed toward Mr. Ferry's family and private life. Who said it recently, "money makes the world go round"? Sad, but usually true - thick as thieves. But is the reported amount 150,000 or 15,000 pounds. Oh, the price of friendship. Pity, isn't it. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:48:44 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] the world is your oyster On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Chris Turner wrote: > And that is for their consciences, not mine. It was inappropriate of > you to change the course of the previous discussion merely to take a > cheap pot-shot at some of the people here. If you say so. > You must understand that this not a group of people shooting the > breeze on some street corner. It is a forum specifically for Ferry > fans. I no more want this place to be sycophantic than you do, truly, > but people join this group because they want to talk about the artist, > and repeated carping criticisms of him are unlikely to be well > received; Thank you for telling me what I "must understand" about this list. Fans can't ever say anything negative about Mr. Ferry? Talking about the artist can't include ever criticizing him? That criterion doesn't equal sycophantic behavior? "[U]nlikely to be well received" by who, exactly? New members can't be trusted to give the list a chance because they might find that not everyone blindly worships Our Hero and they'll have to leave? People who disagree with me aren't capable of joining in the discussion? When was the coronation and will there be footage on the next list video compilation? > and lets face it, comparing Ferry to a whore turning tricks is pretty > critical. Yes it is. But if you read back to what I wrote, you will also see I deliberately wrote it in the passive voice. The pity is with him; the criticism is with both him and those who don't seem to have his best interests at heart. All of which is moot, of course, in the glass bubble that is Avalon. > From your previous message: > > > I see neither good nor bad in Mr. Ferry. > > > Then why are you here? Although you have taken that quote was taken out of context (for that particular discussion was referring to judging his behavior and not his musical output), I will answer: because I'm fan of Mr. Ferry's music. Because I have every right to be here. Because I like it here. Because the world is round. (And before you start carping: I have indeed responded in a positive manner to threads about Mr. Ferry's music. The fact that no one wants to discuss music is a fault that that cannot be laid solely on my shoulders.) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:13:52 EST From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Footage Greets! I would be interested in DVD formats as opposed to videos. Also there is a website called PayPal.com, that will take international payment transactions. Just a thought for any future exchanges. xxo Debs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:31:49 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Price of Friendship Antony Price has a series of failed business ventures over the years....his bitterness towards Bryan seems to come from Bryan suddenly becoming very successful again. Antony still makes clothes for Jerry Hall who offered to advertise the shop but this offer was turned down. Much to the dispair of my friend (Antonys business partner) who felt that the shop needed all the publicity they could generate. Bryan in the limelight = Antony hiding away from publicity that he would greatly benefit from. On a lighter note, may I just say that Jocelyn Fiske has the nicest smile ever. 8) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:05:17 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World : (Out in the cold In the wildernessagain.) Kay, in response to your post: from Colleen's original post ...I've never...used a credit card to jimmy open a locked stage door... Do tell me where that implied incident was documented? That was innuendo, and what you did to Tom Wallace, (whatever his 'crime') was invective. No Kay, shame on you... For you, and others here: Contrary to popular opinion I am not 'close to the action' or 'in the know', and have never claimed to be. I have gained knowledge by trawling the Internet, reading the available stuff, and by being polite and respectful in conversation with people. I have had only the slightest contact with Ferry's organisation, probably less than a few minutes in my life, two short conversations with Jim Lawn at gigs. My website has no affiliation with, or sanction from any member of Roxy, apart from a brief exchange I had recently with The Great Paul Thompson, who graciously permitted me to use his biographical details. Other than that, it probably isn't liked or wanted. It bothers me not. I'm not very 'starry eyed'. I didn't do it for them, or even for you. I developed it for me, as part of my University degree course, and as a means of improving my own skills; not for the kudos, and certainly not to ingratiate myself with anyone. I have continued it because of the superb response from fans, 95% of which are outside of Avalon's slender assemblage. I make no apologies that it reflects well on all of Roxy's members, but it doesn't get me any special favours, and I wouldn't want it to. Now that would be whoring. As for the rumours, I hear the same things as everyone else, but I don't blurt out every bit of tittle-tattle I hear, as it's usually wrong. I'll believe there's a reunion when I read it in the NME. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KB Porter Sent: 02 December 2000 13:43 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World : (Out in the cold In the wildernessagain.) Chris wrote: "Less than rumoured from what I hear." Dear Chris, please share with us what it is that you have heard. You, so close to the action and in the know, don't hold out on us! Do tell. Chris. Shame on you. Colleen wrote documented fact. You responded with invective and innuendo. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:05:15 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] the world is your oyster I'm sure that most people will have been here long enough to know the usual timbre of your posts. They will be able to decide. And I'm sure that most people will be here because they want to see Ferry and Roxy in a positive light. Your final sentence was at least valid. Please have the last word, as I am sure this is boring everyone stupid. I know it is me, and I want to move on. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 02 December 2000 14:49 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] the world is your oyster On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Chris Turner wrote: > And that is for their consciences, not mine. It was inappropriate of > you to change the course of the previous discussion merely to take a > cheap pot-shot at some of the people here. If you say so. > You must understand that this not a group of people shooting the > breeze on some street corner. It is a forum specifically for Ferry > fans. I no more want this place to be sycophantic than you do, truly, > but people join this group because they want to talk about the artist, > and repeated carping criticisms of him are unlikely to be well > received; Thank you for telling me what I "must understand" about this list. Fans can't ever say anything negative about Mr. Ferry? Talking about the artist can't include ever criticizing him? That criterion doesn't equal sycophantic behavior? "[U]nlikely to be well received" by who, exactly? New members can't be trusted to give the list a chance because they might find that not everyone blindly worships Our Hero and they'll have to leave? People who disagree with me aren't capable of joining in the discussion? When was the coronation and will there be footage on the next list video compilation? > and lets face it, comparing Ferry to a whore turning tricks is pretty > critical. Yes it is. But if you read back to what I wrote, you will also see I deliberately wrote it in the passive voice. The pity is with him; the criticism is with both him and those who don't seem to have his best interests at heart. All of which is moot, of course, in the glass bubble that is Avalon. > From your previous message: > > > I see neither good nor bad in Mr. Ferry. > > > Then why are you here? Although you have taken that quote was taken out of context (for that particular discussion was referring to judging his behavior and not his musical output), I will answer: because I'm fan of Mr. Ferry's music. Because I have every right to be here. Because I like it here. Because the world is round. (And before you start carping: I have indeed responded in a positive manner to threads about Mr. Ferry's music. The fact that no one wants to discuss music is a fault that that cannot be laid solely on my shoulders.) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World : (Out in the cold In the wildernessagain.) On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Chris Turner wrote: > Kay, in response to your post: > > from Colleen's original post > > > ...I've never...used a credit card to jimmy open a locked stage door... > > > Do tell me where that implied incident was documented? That was innuendo, I stand corrected. It was a pen, not a credit card. Wednesday, April 12 2000 Volume 05 : Number 146 - --- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:29:00 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RAH 11 apr 2000 [snip] > A few of us gathered in the corridor close to the dressing room > afterwards, the usual hopes of a chat & photo, but I had to go outside > too to find my Brother and his Wife, then try to sneak back in an > unmarked door again. Succeeded, as 'Door 3' was unguarded, though as > there's no handles on the outside of them, had to prise it open with a > pen before sneaking back in. Well, it was raining, you know. Bizarre - > the things we do. Spoke to Lucy W. - --- Full text attached below. Colleen Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:29:00 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RAH 11 apr 2000 It was tricky not to post about RAH the second I got in - but I thought I should really let someone else get the first words in this time...! The usual suspects from Avalonia were there, of course. Patricia travelled over from the Hague, fashioning a new ring she'd had made featuring the current BF memorabilia design, (Patricia - did Bryan manage to see it ?) and a large contingent met briefly beforehand in 'The Gore' bar, arranging second mortgages for Vodka & Cokes, before squelching round the corner (great weather !) to the venue. Whilst the RAH is certainly an impressive venue, I did feel for anyone unlucky to be either in the wings, or more than about 20 rows back, as the sound just swirls around that wedding cake, if that is where you are situated. Not a problem for most of us Avalonians, resident, as ever, rightly, in the first few rows. It was, of course, impeccable, superb, brilliant, and I just cannot get over how amazing 'Chance Meeting' is with the current treatments - the best I have ever heard it. Both that and 'Face' are tears to the eyes stuff, I readily admit. Nice dedication to Isaac, Merlin, Otis and Lucy too. 'Oh Yeah' received a similar over-rapturous reception as the night before in Portsmouth - am I the only one who thought this one didn't really work ?. I really loved the closing bars of Jealous Guy - not for the song itself, but for the fact that all Avalonians present were looking around at each other, timing to perfection the rush to the stage as LST kicked in. Highly amusing in a military operation type of way. The 'front of the stage' crowd have become something of an exclusive Avalonia Club, it's great looking around and seeing everyone ! As LITD kicked into gear, I (and, I would think, many more of us) had that ever hopeful "Is Mackay here" ? look on our faces, but sadly he wasn't. A very nasty moment about 2 mins into LITD, as Julia's Mic & bongos fell forward, catching Lucy Wilkins on the arm - I swear you could almost hear her sudden cry of pain. Her violin leads hit the floor, some panic ensued, much mouthing 'are you alright' from the other girls, as the song progressed. All was not well, for as much as Lucy struggled to do the solo on Street Life, barely a sound could be heard. The show must go on, Do The Strand seeming ever more powerful as it went on, with most of us copying the mans movements (except the Nijinski kick of course, lest we should damage others) and I heard our Monica before I saw her ("Eskimos and GEORDIES") which brought a wry grin to Bryans face. Then, in a flash, it was over. A few of us gathered in the corridor close to the dressing room afterwards, the usual hopes of a chat & photo, but I had to go outside too to find my Brother and his Wife, then try to sneak back in an unmarked door again. Succeeded, as 'Door 3' was unguarded, though as there's no handles on the outside of them, had to prise it open with a pen before sneaking back in. Well, it was raining, you know. Bizarre - the things we do. Spoke to Lucy W. briefly as she passed us in the corridor, now with a bruised right arm. In the end, we were shifted outside anyway. Monica had an amazing piece of memorabilia - a 'school programme' from Dec 1962 of Twelfth Night, with the cast list including Malvolio played by Bryan Ferry, also some sort of school mag from 1958 where Bryan had written an article. I hope Bryan saw them, Monica. Bryan himself appeared about 11pm, as we were stationed into a line by the Chaffeur, very politely. One thing which was so, so noticeable, was that Bryan was far from happy. Not a glimmer, if you excuse the expression. He came out of the stage door, face down, looking at the ground. There must have only been about 20 of us, at most, not all got signatures, as - and this is the first time I've seen this happen - half way through a few signings Bryan suddenly said "OK, Bye" and zipped into the Car, which sped off. A few disappointed people without a signature, but something was definitely awry, it was written all over his face, which was sad to see. Whether it was his kids wanting to leave quickly, ("Go, Dad, Go" !) or the fact that the family/fan thing was almost 'crossing over' in front of his eyes - who knows ? But I do wonder if there was someone in that line who he didn't want to see. There were indeed a couple of very 'strange' people the rest of us had never seen before. Maybe i'm wrong, I guess we'll never know. Interesting point that Jocelyn made earlier - about 'Bryan possibly not performing' ? - please elaborate on this one Jocelyn, it may throw light on his general mood at the end. Info please ! Great gig though, the hordes of Petworth await, impatiently, for possibly the biggest Avalonia party of them all. How are we gonna get through the next 2 months ? Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:12:17 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World : (Out in the cold In the wildernessagain.) ..and not locked...or the Stage Door...(the corridor circles the RAH) but I concede your basic point, which didn't need any emotive embellishment ('to jimmy open'). Now, please let's go and enjoy our Pyrric victories without bothering these nice people any further... Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 02 December 2000 16:24 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World : (Out in the cold In the wildernessagain.) On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Chris Turner wrote: > Kay, in response to your post: > > from Colleen's original post > > > ...I've never...used a credit card to jimmy open a locked stage door... > > > Do tell me where that implied incident was documented? That was innuendo, I stand corrected. It was a pen, not a credit card. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:14:01 EST From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] January 2001 Would any of our London Avalonians know of any available accommodation for my husband & myself, from approx. January 12-20, 2001? Reecey, please plan any parties around this time. '-) We endeavour to meet with all our Avalonian friends whilst there. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Most accessible Roxy member I was curious what some of you thought about Roxy and their interaction with fans. Paul Thompson seems to be the nicest to fans. He answers his forum everyday. He even sent me a personally signed CD for free. Bryan Ferry was very receptive when I met him at a show in Anaheim last year. He posed for pictures with fans and signed numerous autographs. He even signed my Roxy book Andy Mackay signed CDs that I ordered through his site and he answers his forum occasionally. Phil also has signed CDs at his site. I got a signed copy of the Early Years. But he doesnt reply to comments on his forum. ... as for Brian Eno. I think the whole thing annoys him. Anyway, I was wondering if you had any experiences worth sharing. Thanks, David Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:07:38 +0100 From: "linn van vliet" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the world is your oyster right you are Chris... (my late contribution) linn - ---------- >From: "Chris Turner" >To: >Subject: RE: [AVALON] the world is your oyster >Date: Sat, Dec 2, 2000, 1:50 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Colleen Matan > > > But don't we reassess these goals and cut ourselves some > slack (and those around us) as we grow older as well? > > > I don't know Colleen, do we? > > > Alas, that name-calling thing of yours again. The weird thing is that > you're always so dead on about what I'm truly like that it's, well, it's > eeeeeeeeeerie. > > > Thank you. I was concerned I might have misjudged you. > > > I stand by what I said. As for it being criticism of others here, > implicit or explicit, as I remember all of those activities were reported > to this list with pride and not shame. > > > And that is for their consciences, not mine. It was inappropriate of you to > change the course of the previous discussion merely to take a cheap pot-shot > at some of the people here. > > You must understand that this not a group of people shooting the breeze on > some street corner. It is a forum specifically for Ferry fans. I no more > want this place to be sycophantic than you do, truly, but people join this > group because they want to talk about the artist, and repeated carping > criticisms of him are unlikely to be well received; and lets face it, > comparing Ferry to a whore turning tricks is pretty critical. > > From your previous message: > > > I see neither good nor bad in Mr. Ferry. > > > Then why are you here? > > Chris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 18:55:26 -0000 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] honoured I guess I should be honoured really, getting quoted from April 2000 when I 'jimmied open' a door. Oh the shame ! You do know why I used that implement though - it is, after all, mightier than the sword. Still, the 'actions' eventually bore fruit, as the attempt was to get my sister-in-law the BF autograph she'd impatiently waited some 27 years for. She got it, too. I do find it a bit weird though that people will go through age-old posts to prove a point, or continue yet another little argument. Nothing personal you understand, just a bit weird. A lot better than having to read another post about Jerry Hall though. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 01:11:38 -0800 From: Betsy Fowler Subject: [AVALON] One-Way Conversation Between Wilde and Ferry Listening to all this quarreling over the Miss World gig, I thought of Oscar Wilde, the centenary of whose death occurred this week. His immortal words: "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Or, "any publicity is good publicity." [Attributed to a lesser being, one Col. Tom Parker] So in hono(u)r of the occasion, I collected some of Oscar's witticism-cynicisms, and created a little lesson for Bryan: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One should always be in love. That is the reason why one should never marry. *** A man can be happy with any woman, as long as he does not love her. *** Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same. *** When one is in love one always begins by deceiving ones self, and one always ends up by deceiving others. That is what the world calls a romance. *** Those who are faithful know only the trivial side of love; it is the faithless who know love's tragedies. *** The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius. *** There are only two ways a man can reach civilisation. One is by being cultured, the other is by being corrupt. *** There is no secret of life. Life's aim, if it has one, is simply to be always looking for temptation. *** We can have in life but one great experience at best, and the secret of life is to reproduce that experience as often as possible. *** When the gods choose to punish us, they merely answer our prayers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -Betsy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: nick williams Subject: RE: [AVALON] Prostitution or Destitution > He's not Saint Francis of Assisi. I'll live up to your > expectations: Live in the real world. Really. > This argument boils down to how seriously Ferry should be taking himself. IMO Ferry has taken himself far, far too seriously in recent years. He became a control freak who didn't want to risk anything that might tarnish his reputation. That would be fine except that it effected the music. I like his later stuff but it was sometimes a bit too calculated, too self-conscious, lacking in spontaneity. "Well I hope this is what people want to hear from me at this point..." BF on Mamouna, 1994 The 90's were obviously a pretty humbling experience for Ferry. He doesn't want that to happen again. Why "play with pain"? Just play the (marketing) game instead. He's a pop star after all with a pop art background. Roxy Music's unique formula was the best. They had a lot of fun, wanted to out-sell everyone else, and retained unwavering credibility at the same time. Ferry, who must wonder why he changed such a winning formula, is surely aware that Miss World is tacky. Also true of a Millenium eve concert in Greenwich, the Nobel Prize, Radio 2, a Lifetime Achievement Award, and of course a Jim Davidson stand up show. Releasing an album of 30's and 40's standards in 1999 wasn't the coolest of moves either. But at least he enjoyed doing it, and at least the promotional roundabout, however tacky, guaranteed record sales. A return to the days of yore? Ferry simply doesn't seem to care anymore about his precious reputation, which is great because it has limited him in the past. "Gotta have fun" Nick Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:19:40 +0000 From: stevesiren Subject: [AVALON] wilde quotes what about "your majesty is like a stream of bat's piss"? or was that one of Shaws? Steve n.p. "the renettes sing medieval agrarian history" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:54:21 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage Re: The new videodisc - roxy music - vintage I can't find a track listing yet, but the tracks which are on the Musikladen bootleg, but not on Psalm or Valentine are: Pyjamarama Mother Of Pearl Amazona Virginia Plain (alternate version) Editions Of You A couple of these tracks (Editions and VP) appear on the Musikladen video which was released Stateside a while ago. MOP and Amazona were on Perfumed Sigh. Pyjamarama's the only one I don't remember seeing. Of course there could be other unreleased tracks too. To further confuse things, as I reported a while back, a repackaged version of the Musikladen video (track listing as yet unknown) will be released in the US at New Year. Details: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004T35Z/qid=975800407/sr=1-3/102-9 384164-2341768 I can't remember which tracks are on the DVD, about six out of the 13 available I think. It would be nice to get one single tape or DVD with everything on. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Simon Galloway Sent: 27 November 2000 15:41 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage There's an ad for it in the new Record Collector (did you miss that one Ivor?) and it's a second collection of the Musikladen stuff, claiming to have previously unreleased footage. The artwork is taken from Valentine, and looks just as good! (yeah right!). SimonG >>> 11/27 3:15 pm >>> amazon (.co.uk) are offering the above with a release date of january 2001 on the pilot label. any ideas on the probable content ? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:33:26 -0800 From: Ida M Miller Subject: [AVALON] Re: Brussels: Cirque Royal video I'll step up to the task of reviving the distribution of NTSC format video copies of the Brussels Cirque Royal show while we wait for the Russian video to arrive. I'll soon post instructions for the North American contingent who want this, and I'll ask you to contact me off-list at that time. Please don't do so now, I'm not organized yet. Thank you. Ida Martin Stockman wrote: > This is a lot more work than burning CDs and I vowed never to get involved > in trees again (the air mail sticker, the customs declaration, the > combination of stamps, the endless wrapping and gumming, the waiting in line > at the Post Office, the odd person suggesting I'm profiteering, chasing > non-payers) but such is the demand from new, friendly Avalonions that I > suppose we should bang out a few more. No orders yet please. Let me work out > how we'll do it this time. > > Martino ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 04:33:09 +0200 From: "kari solberg" Subject: [AVALON] Miss World I was surprised at how strong feelings some of you have against BF's appearance at the Miss World contest... I agree with Chris Turner in every word he says about this 'case'! Why should Bryan not accept such an opportunity to be seen in 130 countries, and even be well paid for it! Thanks God, that he's not that snobbish and foolish. I agree that this show is horrible, and so is the Jerry, but are the calculated two billion viewers to these kind of entertainment not worthy to look at our own god? Is he just ment for an exclusive group like us avalonians and other highbrows? Do we not want him to get new admirers amongst ordinary people to buy his music? I don't think Bryan can afford to be that selective. I believe in that he knows best what he can allow and not allow himself to do on stage,....and maybe he couldn't resist the thought of beeing the center of all these young, beautiful and glammy girls? In my eyes he looked absolutely perfect up there, and our Mister World was just doing his job, as you know is to entertain. That's nothing to be ashamed of, is it? An artist has to sell himself, you know, to all that want to buy. I beg all of you critics to criticize my english not too hard. I'm just an ordinary old woman from Norway who loves Bryan for his voice, music, arrangements, lyrics, looks, coolness, warmth, humour, irony, politeness, honesty...and More Than This. Do I feel empathy? Oh yes! Kari... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #422 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest