From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #416 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 05 : Number 416 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Le billet-doux à la Bête Noire [nick williams ] [AVALON] Current Affairs soundtracks! ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] roxy music - vintage [S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk] Re: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Rare Roxy Footage (Germany 1979) ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] reavalon/bf videos ["anotherphotographer" ] Re: [AVALON] reavalon/bf videos [KWil632057@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fwd:_[AVALON]_Re:_[AVALON]_Le_billet-doux_=E0_la ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_B=EAte_Noire?= [MarlanaK] Re: [AVALON] Blood on a nail, kiss me again ["Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Le billet-doux à la Bête Noire Speaking only for myself, I would find it (and him) pathetic > if Mr. Ferry had contacted her for any reason other than to merely offer > his sympathy. > Who are we to say. He's not one to give much away after all, especially since his work has been so subtle in recent years. But it's doubtful that anyone can completely disregard the sense of despair, dejection and utter disillusionment that was on public display on Bride, least of all a guy as sensitive as Ferry. To bring Martin's argument one step further I think the most powerful Ferry songs are those on which he is *genuinely* suffering for his obsessions (that should exclude the like of Slave and Dance Away). It's surely no coincidence that some of his most disenchanted lyrics turn up on Bride. Sign of the Times ("We live, we die,...), Cant Let Go ("A hundred sleepless nights have left me wasted and so cold"), When She Walks In The Room ("..build up your hopes, then sell you short"), and last, but certainly not least, This Island Earth ("My soul in shadows running blind..."). Do these mental scars or this type of obsession ever leave you? That's the burning question. Price's astonishing admission would seem to suggest that they don't. Nick (the worst kind of obsessive) Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 06:44:02 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Journalist news A Journalist writes what they know to get a story told. Its up to the reader to take that story & read it for what it is, believe everything or not. The amazing thing about writing is people read. From the reading you decide yourself how you want to perceive it, a choice, a choice to read matter or not. Freedom to express, I say when you are in the spotlight things are going to be written true or false. Ferry's family is aware of this, & I would think they avoid buying tabloids to read about their lives , they know their lives better than we do . Why would they care what many write ? Besides as long as someone is writing about Bryan he's being remembered. ---------Jerry Hall dumped Jagger, whether you like or dislike her because Bryan had a thing with her. Is no reason to blast her all the time. She had money, still has money, & contrary to what most think of her , when she comes home to visit here in big D. She gives her time & money to various charity organizations & hospitals. You want hear about those good qualities. Some Journalist's feel people want read that, most people want to read intimate things about someone. Curious minds want to know. So you take what you want from an article & throw out the rest for what it is . So many Journalist's to pick & choose from. You don't have to be hurt all the time what Ferry thinks . I'm sure he isn't sitting around worrying, he goes on with life & so does those around him. But it does give us lots to hash around here about doesn't it? Marlana........................................................ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:43:36 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON]The Good Word - News Dear Besty: I have yet to hear anyone disputing the truth of Price's words. Perhaps I've missed something, but just, exactly, what subject is it, to which you refer, that Martin has delivered the good message? Best wishes, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:11:36 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Current Affairs soundtracks! A bit late posting this, but here it is! Last Wednesday night UK "news" programme "Tonight with Trevor McDonald" had a feature on the media fascination with celebrity. And oh, what a soundtrack! Let's Stick Together, Manifesto, Trash and Slave To Love were the chosen ones to soundtrack this tedious little report. Why they didn't use Bowie's Fame I'll never know, but obviously someone in the crew had their Roxy & Ferry cd's with them! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 06:16:01 -0800 (PST) From: nick williams Subject: [AVALON] Re: Hold On I'm Coming Sorry to spoil the party Martin but that's not how it happened at all. Ferry was actually spotted making his way from Holland Park to Richmond Hill by foot, complete with Gaucho uniform and cowboy stance. He was wailing down the phone that you can "lean on me when the times are bad". He continued that there was "no need to suffer babe cos' I'm here" and went on to tell the caller that she could "reach out to me for satisfaction". He then headed off into the darkness to be that knight in shining armour, bellowing one last brave hurrah of "Hold On I'm Coming". Yee-haaa. Nick (who always knew that Hold On I'm Coming would end up having some relevance to Jerry , even though BF didn't write it). How thrilling that the old dog would compose a billet-doux to his bete noir. What madness consumed him as he gummed down the envelope, sauntered to the pillar box and set in motion the missive cross-town from Holland Park to Richmond Hill. And how was it received ? Jerry, the sidewalk papers had really gutter-pressed you down for the Graduate,("fried eggs" - how I winced when I read that one,) pashmina-robed picks up the mail, sunshafts through the stain-glass, the familiar scent of floris filling the air as she opens the London W10 franked memoir-foux. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:15:37 -0000 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage amazon (.co.uk) are offering the above with a release date of january 2001 on the pilot label. any ideas on the probable content ? s ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:40:52 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage There's an ad for it in the new Record Collector (did you miss that one Ivor?) and it's a second collection of the Musikladen stuff, claiming to have previously unreleased footage. The artwork is taken from Valentine, and looks just as good! (yeah right!). SimonG >>> 11/27 3:15 pm >>> amazon (.co.uk) are offering the above with a release date of january 2001 on the pilot label. any ideas on the probable content ? s ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:47:27 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Rare Roxy Footage (Germany 1979) Just received a video of some footage of Roxy in concert from German TV in 1979. It's a very low generation copy, having lost its colour and the sound is hissy, but there's a few good songs on there, including Ladytron, plus a great interview with Bryan, Phil and Andy - all at once, all in the same room (Bryan makes a joke at Andy's expense and laughs at it for ages - no one else finds it funny!). Has anyone seen this before, knows which concert it was filmed at and maybe even owns a better quality tape of it? Also on the same tape was Bryan lip-syncing to some Bete Noire songs and then Avalon!! It looked very strange. That's from French TV. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:52:44 -0000 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage thanks simon - this rings a bell in so far as it's probably been discussed in the past, so my apologies. steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 3:41 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy music - vintage > > There's an ad for it in the new Record Collector (did you miss that one > Ivor?) and it's a second collection of the Musikladen stuff, claiming to > have previously unreleased footage. The artwork is taken from Valentine, > and looks just as good! (yeah right!). > > SimonG > > >>> 11/27 3:15 pm >>> > amazon (.co.uk) are offering the above with a release date of january 2001 > on the pilot label. > > any ideas on the probable content ? > > > > s > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:52:57 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Re=3A_=5BAVALON=5D_Le_billet-doux_=E0_la__B?= =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?=EAte_Noire?= On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, nick williams wrote: > >Speaking only for myself, I would find it (and him) pathetic > >if Mr. Ferry had contacted her for any reason other than to > >merely offer his sympathy. > > Who are we to say. He's not one to give much away after all, > especially since his work has been so subtle in recent years. But > it's doubtful that anyone can completely disregard the sense of > despair, dejection and utter disillusionment that was on public > display on Bride, least of all a guy as sensitive as Ferry. To bring > Martin's argument one step further I think the most powerful Ferry > songs are those on which he is *genuinely* suffering for his > obsessions (that should exclude the like of Slave and Dance Away). > It's surely no coincidence that some of his most disenchanted lyrics > turn up on Bride. Sign of the Times ("We live, we die,...), Cant Let > Go ("A hundred sleepless nights have left me wasted and so cold"), > When She Walks In The Room ("..build up your hopes, then sell you > short"), and last, but certainly not least, This Island Earth ("My > soul in shadows running blind..."). Do these mental scars or this > type of obsession ever leave you? That's the burning question. > Price's astonishing admission would seem to suggest that they don't. Nick, I can brood with the best of them, and yes, I agree that heartbreaks leave lasting scars and that that pain helped fuel some of his work, although I'd also venture to say that Mr. Ferry's tendency to brood predates his relationship with Ms. Hall. But this was something that happened nearly 25 years ago, and if Mr. Ferry is still obsessing over her at that level it's not pathetic and it's not romantic. It's pathological and he should seek some professional help. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:24:40 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Re=3A_=5BAVALON=5D_Le_billet-doux_=E0_la__B?==?X-UNKNOWN ?Q?=EAte_Noire?= >>> Colleen Matan 11/27 3:52 pm >>> >I agree that heartbreaks leave lasting scars and that that pain >helped fuel some of his work, although I'd also venture to say >that Mr. Ferry's tendency to brood predates his relationship with >Ms. Hall. Good point! Just one look at Beauty Queen confirms that. I bet Valerie is kicking herself now! SimonG BTW what's that subject header all about? :-) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:39:14 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Re=3A_=5BAVALON=5D_Le_billet-doux_=E0_la__B?==?X-UNKNOWN ?Q?=EAte_Noire?= On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Simon Galloway wrote: > BTW what's that subject header all about? :-) It's people using non-standard charactet sets that Pine (my mail program) can't read. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Journalist news On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Mary Korfanty wrote: > you decide yourself how you want to perceive it, a choice, a choice to > read matter or not. Freedom to express, I say when you are in the > spotlight things are going to be written true or false. Ferry's family > is aware of this, & I would think they avoid buying tabloids to read > about their lives , they know their lives better than we do . Why would Mary, you do realize that the comments in question were not manufactured out of thin air by some tabloid journalist but offered up by one of Mr. Ferry's closest friends and one of his long-time (~30 years) artistic collaborators, hence the reaction on the list? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:17:56 -0000 From: "anotherphotographer" Subject: [AVALON] reavalon/bf videos Hi I also would like to purchase a copy of, A Perfumed sigh and B,F's Cirque Royal videos. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Regards from a newy Ernie Stokes (an avid lurker of nearly 600 delightful messages ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:17:17 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Prices writings or others. So Colleen , even if Price is a friend . Its still written material, to believe or not. Your comment on Ferry about the relationship with Hall some 25yrs . ago for him to still have feelings. Your quote " Its pathological & he should seek some professional help"-------- Have you never had a love so profound & it was everything & for some reason or other it didn't work out but the love never stopped? Because lots of people marry long lost loves of yrs. gone by.Does that make them as you stated , "pathological needing help." No , I look at them as compassionate romantics. Whats wrong with that? Better than hating someone all your life. An old saying " If you don't have love in your heart.You don't have anything worth fighting for". - ---------Marlana....................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:51:35 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: [AVALON] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BAVALON=5D_Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_Le_billet-doux _=E0_la__B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=EAte_Noire?= I'm glad some on the list are retaining a sense of humour about this! (see below) But I suspect a lot of us, like me, are cringing in embarassment. Do we really have any right, or justification, to pass any judgment on (or even speculate about) these matters? If so, then how and why exactly? Because we are fans of the man's music/songs? The issue seems to be bringing out a mixture of sentimentality, prurience and rather twisted hero-worship that I find decidedly uncomfortable. It seems like a tabloid agenda to me. Best steered clear of? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Simon Galloway Sent: 27 November 2000 16:25 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: [AVALON] Le billet-doux ` la Bjte Noire >>> Colleen Matan 11/27 3:52 pm >>> >I agree that heartbreaks leave lasting scars and that that pain >helped fuel some of his work, although I'd also venture to say >that Mr. Ferry's tendency to brood predates his relationship with >Ms. Hall. Good point! Just one look at Beauty Queen confirms that. I bet Valerie is kicking herself now! SimonG BTW what's that subject header all about? :-) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Prices writings or others. On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Mary Korfanty wrote: > So Colleen , even if Price is a friend . Its still written material, > to believe or not. My point is that written material or not, it is unlikely the comments were fabricated, therefore, unless Price is playing some sort of practical joke, it would be rational to believe them. > Your comment on Ferry about the relationship with Hall > some 25yrs . ago for him to still have feelings. Your quote " Its > pathological & he should seek some professional help"-------- Have you > never had a love so profound & it was everything & for some reason or > other it didn't work out but the love never stopped? Because lots of As a matter of fact, I have indeed have exactly that sort of love, and more than once. I am a person of great passion and I wear my heart on my sleeve (perhaps too often). But I didn't say it was pathological for Mr. Ferry to still have feelings for Ms. Hall. I said, quite clearly, and I quote: > But this was something that happened nearly 25 years ago, and if > Mr. Ferry is still obsessing over her at that level it's not pathetic There is a difference. You wrote: > people marry long lost loves of yrs. gone by.Does that make them as > you stated , "pathological needing help." No , I look at them as > compassionate romantics. Whats wrong with that? Better than hating > someone all your life. An old saying " If you don't have love in your > heart.You don't have anything worth fighting for". I didn't say anything of the sort. I'm afraid I can't make my sentences and sentiments any clearer so I will have to end my part of this discussion. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:57:21 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] reavalon/bf videos Hello, I also would like to purchase a copy of, A Perfumed sigh and B,F's Cirque Royal videos. Jonathan Wilkins kwil632057@aol.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:16:15 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fwd:_[AVALON]_Re:_[AVALON]_Le_billet-doux_=E0_la ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_B=EAte_Noire?= Here's the sentence you wrote Colleen, in its entirety. I just didn't make it up. Marlana......... Received: from smtpin-101-4.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.29) by storefull-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-101-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id E0F991A5; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:07:41 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: marlanak@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [216.200.102.14]) by smtpin-101-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D4F1AA; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id KAA28465; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:53:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id KAA28412 for avalon-outgoing; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (cjem@herndon10.his.com [209.67.207.13]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id KAA28403 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cjem@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14408 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:52:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:52:57 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[AVALON]_Re:_[AVALON]_Le_billet-doux_=E0_la?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_B=EAte_Noire?= In-Reply-To: <20001127093710.65457.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: x-no-archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, nick williams wrote: > >Speaking only for myself, I would find it (and him) pathetic > >if Mr. Ferry had contacted her for any reason other than to > >merely offer his sympathy. > > Who are we to say. He's not one to give much away after all, > especially since his work has been so subtle in recent years. But > it's doubtful that anyone can completely disregard the sense of > despair, dejection and utter disillusionment that was on public > display on Bride, least of all a guy as sensitive as Ferry. To bring > Martin's argument one step further I think the most powerful Ferry > songs are those on which he is *genuinely* suffering for his > obsessions (that should exclude the like of Slave and Dance Away). > It's surely no coincidence that some of his most disenchanted lyrics > turn up on Bride. Sign of the Times ("We live, we die,...), Cant Let > Go ("A hundred sleepless nights have left me wasted and so cold"), > When She Walks In The Room ("..build up your hopes, then sell you > short"), and last, but certainly not least, This Island Earth ("My > soul in shadows running blind..."). Do these mental scars or this > type of obsession ever leave you? That's the burning question. > Price's astonishing admission would seem to suggest that they don't. Nick, I can brood with the best of them, and yes, I agree that heartbreaks leave lasting scars and that that pain helped fuel some of his work, although I'd also venture to say that Mr. Ferry's tendency to brood predates his relationship with Ms. Hall. But this was something that happened nearly 25 years ago, and if Mr. Ferry is still obsessing over her at that level it's not pathetic and it's not romantic. It's pathological and he should seek some professional help. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:33:17 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Blood on a nail, kiss me again >From: "Guy Lawley" > > The issue seems to be bringing out a mixture of sentimentality, prurience > and rather twisted hero-worship that I find decidedly uncomfortable. I hear what you're saying. Really. However .. In my sentimental, vaguely prurient, certainly awestruck way I can't let go the notion that Anthony's butterfly flap has rightly triggered off a tornado in the Avalonion Andes. My tired polemic, for newcomers, revolves around an assumption that pre-Bride Bryan wrote ironically about romance, celluloid pictures of loving. Beauty Queen is a lovely song but lyrically its a chance for Bryan to splay his poetic peacock plummage, (Swaying palms at your feet, You're the pride of your street,) coconut tears indeed, rather than the real pain, the open sore angst, of Wasteland, This Island Earth, Kiss and Tell, Chain Reaction, Running Wild et al. Happy days you pretend that you'll fall in love again. Martini ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #416 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest