From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #389 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, October 29 2000 Volume 05 : Number 389 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ant's Song on SMTV ["Laura Shadbolt" ] RE: [AVALON] Spelling lessons ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Ant's Song on SMTV ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Harper's & Queen [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] From Andy Langley - Horrid Tribute band ? ["eRacerX" ] [AVALON] Love/Watchtower mix [jas2347@xsite.net] RE: [AVALON] Spelling lessons ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? ["Guy Lawley" ] [AVALON] all styles served here [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] all styles served here ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Duet all through the night... [POE1527@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] all styles served here ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] An echo of lost correspondence... ["Ivor Canning" ] RE: [AVALON] all styles served here ["Guy Lawley" ] [AVALON] Fjord Pleasure ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] all styles served here ["Martin Stockman" Subject: [AVALON] Ant's Song on SMTV I don't know if anyone else is typing the exact same thing at this very moment, but here goes anyway. The UK Saturday morning TV show SMTV, presented by Ant McPartlin and Declan Donnelly, do a slot called Ant's Song, where Ant sings a song sent in by a roughly 13-year-old viewer about the programme. He sings it in the style of a different band/artist each time, complete with costumes, even disregarding whether the audience will have heard of them or not. Usually the costumes are pretty accurate but the music, having been recorded on a cheap keyboard, isn't. Today (28th Oct) they did Roxy Music circa Virginia Plain on TOTP, '72. Ant was Ferry, in an Elvis wig and a black jacket with sequins. Declan was Eno, with black feathery epaulettes. Cat Deeley (other presenter) was Mackay, with blonde wig, white satin suit (i.e. not the green high-collared cape - they got that bit wrong) and fake sax. And Richard Blackwood (guest) was Manzanera, with some unconvincing glasses and some wig or other. They weren't very good, although they used a TOTP-style useless special effect, and Ant/Ferry's posturing was a good attempt but nothing next to Kevin Eldon's pouting and preening on "Big Train". Anyway, it's nice that they're getting some impression of RM out to the young public, even if it isn't very accurate ;-) They described them as "glam rock", by the way, so as to slip them into a pigeonhole, just for now. Bye Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:18:04 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ant's Song on SMTV Wow! And I watched about 15 minutes of that show with the sound off, while chatting to my GF on the phone! Wrong 15 minutes!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Laura Shadbolt Sent: 28 October 2000 10:21 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Ant's Song on SMTV ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:18:02 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Spelling lessons Thnak you, Sebastian! A sensible reply at last. I didn't know about that. I will remember it when I next make a gratuitous and tastelss reference to Herr Schickelgruber. :0) Guy The ignorant Brit - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Sebastian Fasthuber Sent: 28 October 2000 01:49 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Spelling lessons ok, let's clear this one up: if your english keyboard can't write führer, you might just use 'ue' (fuehrer) for the "umlaut" ü. sebastian "polizei" fasthuber ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:18:51 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ant's Song on SMTV PS: just before I turned the sound off, Ant (or was it Dec?) played the Louie Louie riff very loud on his cheap keyboard. I should have sussed what groovy hipsters these guys are and stuck around. Anyone tape the damn thing?????? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Laura Shadbolt Sent: 28 October 2000 10:21 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Ant's Song on SMTV ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:10:39 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Harper's & Queen At 21.06 +0200 0-10-26, Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest wrote: >Btw Kicki, is it 'Pressbyrån' or pressbryan? LOL, it is the Press bureau ie Pressbyrån in Swedish. :-) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:39:03 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Spelling lessons At 20.58 +0100 0-10-27, Guy Lawley wrote: >Daniel, mon ami, I *know* about the frigging unmlaut. Julia is now accusing >me of mising out a u or an e or both. My pedantic brain cannot rest! What is >she on about????? To type "Jawohl, mein Führer!" on a Mac keyboard, press the ¨-key and then the u-key and you get ü. Julias has to explain the rest herself. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:16:41 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? At 16.58 -0400 0-10-26, Colleen Matan wrote: >It's not a new Colleen--I'm a multi-facted and multi-dimensional person >(even in this medium only). > >Colleen "Get to know me" Matan I've been on this list for over two years and I've found it to be a very nice and friendly list. I found Colleen, and others, to be both multi-facted, multi-faceted and multi-dimensional persons. I felt welcomed when I joined to list, so I extend my hand to all you newcomers. One thing that would be intresting, I'm a journalist by trade, would be to use the collective wisdom of Avalonia to write a text about Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry for a book. Yes, I know that it is a huge undertaking. :-) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:34:55 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] A helping hand. I wrote: >"Well senator Kennedy we'll carry Illinois with a help of our >friends..." >Former mayor Daley who might have called hom Jack > >Being Swedish I could not resist. :-) > Jas responded >Well being a native Chicagoin, we know the BOSS Daley story all to well. >I wonder what America /the world would have been like had Daley NOT >"helped" Kennedy in 1960. Nixon would have been in charge much earlier. >Argh..! Maybe the '60's as we know them now would not have happened and >later maybe no Roxy Music nor this list thereafter. Maybe... I just ordered Mallon, Thomas: Dewey Defeats Truman ; NY Pantheon 1997 :-) Richard Nixon might or might not have dragged the US into the Vietnam war. The 60's might have happend anyway. I would say the the two most important music revolutions of the 60's were the British Invasion of the US headed by the Beatles and the soul explosion and it's impact on the civil rights movement. Those two would have happended without the distaster that was the Vietnam war. >It's 40 years later and it's a dead heat-again. It's now Bush vs Gore >and there is another Daley in charge in Chicago. Deja vu? Just >musing.... Yes, as John F Kennedy writes in "Profiles in Courage" the story of a man starts with the father. >Freedom of Choice-Devo >Vote Nov. 7 I don't have to opportunity, but do tell me what it's like to vote, where, how etc. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:28:11 -0400 From: "eRacerX" Subject: RE: [AVALON] From Andy Langley - Horrid Tribute band ? -----Original Message----- From: clique@cygnet.co.uk Didn't you all get this? I cannot believe no one has commented :) Interesting thst someone finally put a tribute band together, I woudl like to hear them, But that spamming technique irks me. Maybe I have a bad memory, but, didn't the list get the message, and then months later, spam-mails to the list-members? Idano, - H. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:50:34 -0400 From: "eRacerX" Subject: RE: [AVALON] duet dream home ATGB-period Bryan and Bollocks era Johnny Rotten Bryan and GrandMaster Flash (or whomever is the coolest scratchin' mix-master now) Beastie Boys, with Bryan leading "Fight for Your Right" - at a fundraiser, of course (can you hear pa-a-a-a-a-rty! in Bryan's best evil falsetto? think: Mother of Pearl) Ferry and David Bryne, in a Latin Mood A digitally mixed grave-robbing Bryan w/ Otis Redding, the duet would have to be "Try A Little Tenderness", recorded for BSB, maybe on Windswept ...I'll think on it - H. __________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: yenom ruoy lla nayrb evig retsam eht fo toof eht ta leenk To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:04:42 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Love/Watchtower mix ...I'd like him to collaborate with Joe Claussel who runs Spiritual Life Records and is the best DJ in the universe (well NYC anyway) he mixes up deep house, garage, latin/afrobeats and then throws in Donna Summer's I feel Love mixed into Jimi Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower and it works.... Jocelyn: WHERE do I get a copy of that mix? Hendrix/Summer? Whaaa?? I'm a Hendrix fanatic and Summer's music was the background for many of my all night dance until you drop nights. Ol' Dirty Bastard(now Sweet Baby Jesus) WOULD be a hoot. I bought his last release N****a Please. I was laughing all the way through. Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:39:34 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Spelling lessons T'aint a Mac, boyo. But thanks for the tip. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Sent: 28 October 2000 13:39 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Spelling lessons At 20.58 +0100 0-10-27, Guy Lawley wrote: >Daniel, mon ami, I *know* about the frigging unmlaut. Julia is now accusing >me of mising out a u or an e or both. My pedantic brain cannot rest! What is >she on about????? To type "Jawohl, mein Führer!" on a Mac keyboard, press the ¨-key and then the u-key and you get ü. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:39:36 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Phil Manzanera might beat us to it, and with somewhat more authority (not to mention marketability!). His Roxy Music Archive is the best thing published on the band so far... ain't that so? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Sent: 28 October 2000 13:17 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? One thing that would be intresting, I'm a journalist by trade, would be to use the collective wisdom of Avalonia to write a text about Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry for a book. Yes, I know that it is a huge undertaking. :-) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:05:38 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] An echo of a sigh Whilst I heartily concur with the sentiment welcoming new Avalonions I must emit the faintest echo of a sigh when a new subscriber starts by saying "I know nothing of Roxy Music but you seem like a nice crowd" or somesuch pleasantry." Am I alone in wondering if our discussion group should be a forum for folks who've led a perfectly blameless, yet artistically pagan, Ferry-free life ? If I stumbled upon, say, the Uriah Heep site - however charming it would be to catch up with Ivor again - I'd feel uncomfortable attempting to ingratiate myself without knowing the album titles and so forth. On another tack, but still on the subject of list etiquette, I was interested to follow the recent comments of the new charming Colleen (and others) regarding the cycle of Avalon threads. And how to reply to an innocent newbie enquiry about, for instance, LIve Aid, when we've gorged upon that cadaver only a couple of months ago. Then again some subjects recur and a new slant emerges each time ; I, for one, am absolutely fascinated by the circumstances regarding the recording at Montreux of BST, and wonder each time what new tidbit will lodge in my teeth only to satisfactorally emerge in my mouth later that night. Bryan hitting Jerry's voicemail each time he called home, reading of her duplicity via Dempster's vile column, carrying Spenner from the plane, walking windswept on piers ; (Check out the Nick Kent article on Roxyrama.) Yet I know of fellow Avalonions who find no interest in what for me is the turning point of RM/BF history - the moment where an ironic, detached attitude to love, a parody of romanticism, became rather real. Similarly I'm not particularly interested in knowing where Slave To Love is charting but I fully accept that there's a place for this information within our bandwith. Avalon can be divided into subjects that I'm interested in, subjects I'm not interested in but know why they're being aired, and static. Which is probably how most of us feel. So what ? Well for a start isn't it possible to use a good search engine on the Digest ? If so I don't think it's so rude to steer someone there if we've recently covered a topic. I'm the school of '98 so neither new nor old in Avalon years but I'm still working out the dos and don'ts of a discussion group. Thoughts ? Martini PS Maria - did you get me address ?! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:57:54 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] An echo of a sigh - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Stockman" To: Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] An echo of a sigh > > Whilst I heartily concur with the sentiment welcoming new Avalonions I must > emit the faintest echo of a sigh when a new subscriber starts by saying "I > know nothing of Roxy Music but you seem like a nice crowd" or somesuch > pleasantry." Am I alone in wondering if our discussion group should be a > forum for folks who've led a perfectly blameless, yet artistically pagan, > Ferry-free life ? > > If I stumbled upon, say, the Uriah Heep site - however charming it would be > to catch up with Ivor again - I'd feel uncomfortable attempting to > ingratiate myself without knowing the album titles and so forth. tut tut, martino, i doubt these newbies stumbled into our midst seeking only our good company. rather, i'm sure they are looking for a short cut. i have been a fan for 22 years -- 25 if you count the three times i heard 'love is the drug' on an alternative FM station while in high school -- but until i came aboard the avalon list, i literally had no one to discuss RM/BF with. now i have a couple hundred. and lots of them blow me away with their knowledge of matters ferry, even though i own just about every bit of original music he's released, plus a lot of bootlegs. because avalon is a mailing list, rather than a part of usenet, the old posts are not available through www.deja.com. it would be nice if the old posts were available in searchable format. there is a FAQ on bryan chow's website, but it does not aspire to catalog every topic that has been discussed on avalon. but i'm delighted to see newcomers, and i hope they feel welcome here in spite of their lack of categorial knowledge. after all roxy music was a band that came and went way before its time. the fact that so many people can, in 2000, connect to a band and artist who were at the top of the uk charts three decades ago pleases me no end. i just feel bad for ferry that it took the rest of the world so long to catch up. (snip) > So what ? Well for a start isn't it possible to use a good search engine on > the Digest ? If so I don't think it's so rude to steer someone there if > we've recently covered a topic. agreed. in fact, the subliminal tagline would be much more useful if it contained links to the FAQ and the digest. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:00:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] all styles served here On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Martin Stockman wrote: > Whilst I heartily concur with the sentiment welcoming new Avalonions I > must emit the faintest echo of a sigh when a new subscriber starts by > saying "I know nothing of Roxy Music but you seem like a nice crowd" > or somesuch pleasantry." Am I alone in wondering if our discussion > group should be a forum for folks who've led a perfectly blameless, > yet artistically pagan, Ferry-free life ? I must admit that I'm rather taken aback by this. I certainly don't share this feeling and frankly I'm a little embarrassed to read such a sentiment in light of knowing that many new people have joined the list. *Everyone* is welcome here and welcome to post--everyone--and that includes both the person who saw the very first Roxy gig to someone who just discovered them yesterday. This list is not some sort of exclusive club one must be found worthy enough to join. In fact that is entirely anathema to the whole spirit of inclusion, freedom, and free expression which brought many of us online lo these many years ago (and why some of us hang onto sentimental artifacts like Pine). If new, old, or middle-aged list members ask for information or want to share their new found enthusiasm or provide some arcane trivia, it's all equally worthwhile in the overall vibrancy and health of the list; there's certainly room for both the Martins and the Mary Roses of the Roxy world on this list and interesting, well-reasoned, witty, and/or critical writing is always welcome. Someone may not be a complete anorak yet might have something wonderful to offer and I'd hate to see that shut down because they don't feel welcome enough because they don't know enough to "ingratiate" themselves. > So what ? Well for a start isn't it possible to use a good search > engine on the Digest ? If so I don't think it's so rude to steer > someone there if we've recently covered a topic. It's not possible; hence the situation we find ourselves in. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:13:31 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles served here > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Martin Stockman wrote: > >> Whilst I heartily concur with the sentiment welcoming new Avalonions I >> must emit the faintest echo of a sigh when a new subscriber starts by >> saying "I know nothing of Roxy Music but you seem like a nice crowd" >> or somesuch pleasantry." Am I alone in wondering if our discussion >> group should be a forum for folks who've led a perfectly blameless, >> yet artistically pagan, Ferry-free life ? > Colleen replies > I must admit that I'm rather taken aback by this. I certainly don't share > this feeling and frankly I'm a little embarrassed to read such a sentiment > in light of knowing that many new people have joined the list. Yawn. I made it perfectly clear that I'm utterly in favour of welcoming all newcomers with open arms. Don't twist my words. But someone came on, yesterday I think, and made it quite clear that they had no knowledge of the subject of our discussion group. I thought, and still think, that's pretty odd. and Victor adds > tut tut, martino, i doubt these newbies stumbled into our midst seeking only > our good company. rather, i'm sure they are looking for a short cut. i > have been a fan for 22 years -- 25 if you count the three times i heard > 'love is the drug' on an alternative FM station while in high school -- but > until i came aboard the avalon list, i literally had no one to discuss RM/BF > with. now i have a couple hundred. and lots of them blow me away with > their knowledge of matters ferry, even though i own just about every bit of > original music he's released, plus a lot of bootlegs. Complete misunderstanding again Victor. I'm not advocating a test on Roxy "b" sides as an entrance exam for gawd's sake. Just a little knowledge that they're keen to expand upon. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:50:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles served here On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Martin Stockman wrote: > Yawn. I made it perfectly clear that I'm utterly in favour of welcoming all > newcomers with open arms. Don't twist my words. But someone came on, > yesterday I think, and made it quite clear that they had no knowledge of the > subject of our discussion group. I thought, and still think, that's pretty > odd. He (Robert) asked about the reissued albums. This constitutes an odd request? this constitutes "no knowledge of the subject of our discussion group"? Yet when the (alleged) niece of Rhett Davies was here, who apparently had no knowledge of the subject of our discussion group (although she seemed to know a lot about Joan Armatrading), you had a different response to her new member status: > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:59:30 +0100 > From: "Martin Stockman" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] > > Dear Jesa > > As a man not unfamiliar with the trumpeting of BF associations, > however tenuous, I welcome you unreservedly to the list. Your Uncle is > a central figure in the odyssey, up there with the original members, > and Price, Puxley, Hall and Hubbard. What a blistering period with > Avalon and Boys and Girls, and all the other collaberations. Rhett > understood Bryan's desire to create a moody soundscape to reflect > emotional turmoil. And give it an attack, an edge, a sophistication > not found on the reformation albums, the kitsch Manifesto and MOR > Flesh and Blood. And Rhett had the patience to put up with the > Maestro's seemingly endless knob-twiddling, unlike other great > Producers who despaired of the procrastination. My friend Jeff flogged > Pat Leonard a snooker table during the making of Bete Noire and Pat's > ongoing nervous breakdown was reminiscent of the Parisan Police Chief > towards Inspector Clusseau in the Panther movies ! > > Welcome Jesa. One question, (which you may not feel at liberty to > answer.) We have debated as to the style of As Things Go By. Is it > done "straight" a la "I'll See You Again" or are these standards > reworked like the songs on Taxi ? Are they faithful renditions or > sonic makeovers ???! > > Martini As usual, she had no substantive response to any of our questions. Colleen (see, like I said, it's possible to search the digests if you know about when a discussion was held) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:45:00 EDT From: POE1527@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Duet all through the night... outstanding ! but i'd like to add Bjork in the mix as i've been obessing over her lately. she has become my ''raven of october'' ''the horror ,the horror''. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:40:26 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles served here > Complete misunderstanding again Victor. I'm not advocating a test on Roxy > "b" sides as an entrance exam for gawd's sake. Just a little knowledge that > they're keen to expand upon. let them start with zero knowledge. a desire to get up to speed is sufficient. personally, i tend to lurk around newsgroups and discussion groups a bit before opening my mouth, but if somebody wants to speak up right away, that's their business. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:24:24 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: [AVALON] 1972 BBC Recordings I recently brought up the subject of an apparent difference in speeds on versions of Roxy's 1972 BBC recordings. The recordings on the Avalon CD-tree version sound slower than what I have on a vinyl bootleg lp. To demonstrate this difference, I have uploaded a couple of 1.5 minute MP3 edits of Grey Lagoons. Here is a link to the version from the CD: http://www.geocities.com/ralph_waldo_jr/lagoons-cd.wav.mp3 And here is a link to the version from vinyl: http://www.geocities.com/ralph_waldo_jr/lagoons-vinyl.wav.mp3 The files are about 1.4MB each. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 02:31:25 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] An echo of lost correspondence... Dear All, Apologies for taking up bandwidth here but due to ongoing problems on the ntl (formerly Cable & Wireless) server I've lost a number of emails today - if anyone has sent me post off-list in the past 24 hours or so please resend it...sorry. BTW Thanks to the Avalon archive I've been able to fill in some of the gaps in the conversations here today... Regards, Intermittent Ive. n.r. The Riot Act to ntl... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 02:59:23 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] An echo of a sigh Martin gets 'umble: > If I stumbled upon, say, the Uriah Heep site - however charming it would > be to catch up with Ivor again - I'd feel uncomfortable attempting to > ingratiate myself without knowing the album titles and so forth. Quite right, but I'm sure you'd soon feel at home given their Roxy and Bowie connections. As you have correctly divined, I do have a soft spot for the 'Eep and a substantial number of their offerings adorn my library (nestled in between my Urban Sax and US3 collections) - I would be 'appy to give you a list of recommended recordings if you so wish... Unctuously yours, Oleaginous Ive. n.p. Cozy Powell 'Over The Top' (the title says it all...) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:07:39 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] all styles served here I lurked for ages when I joined. I love to lurk. NP: The Lurkers, "Pills" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Victor Hastings Sent: 29 October 2000 01:40 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles served here personally, i tend to lurk around newsgroups and discussion groups a bit before opening my mouth, but if somebody wants to speak up right away, that's their business. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:24:02 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] 1972 BBC Recordings Jim, this is utterly obsessive of you, and it is *exactly what sites like this should be about!* Or one of the things, anyway. (What's the anti-smiley sign for "I am not joking"?) What's the source for the Avalon version? (I have an old, old vinyl thing called "Better Than Food" which was, nostalgia fans, my first ever bootleg purchase.) - -----Original Message----- Jim Rosencutter Sent: 29 October 2000 02:24 I recently brought up the subject of an apparent difference in speeds on versions of Roxy's 1972 BBC recordings. The recordings on the Avalon CD-tree version sound slower than what I have on a vinyl bootleg lp. To demonstrate this difference, I have uploaded a couple of 1.5 minute MP3 edits of Grey Lagoons. Here is a link to the version from the CD: http://www.geocities.com/ralph_waldo_jr/lagoons-cd.wav.mp3 And here is a link to the version from vinyl: http://www.geocities.com/ralph_waldo_jr/lagoons-vinyl.wav.mp3 The files are about 1.4MB each. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:56:38 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: [AVALON] Fjord Pleasure Received the CD in the post a couple of days ago and played today. What a fabulous piece of work; thanks very much indeed! Looks really good as well as sounding... interesting. Could take issue w. some of the arrangements, but overall, I like this material. (A wee bit too much alto sax? A little too studied?) Having not seen any of the gigs, it's good to hear the tour band in action. Carrickfergus sung by yer man Ferry always makes me cry; this time Jealous Guy almost did too. Odd neither is a Ferry/Roxy original... or is it so odd? I suppose that's one of the things people mean by "Cool"... taking a distanced stance from your subject matter (as a song writer, that is, in this case). Anyway, thanks again! I will treasure this disc. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:13:23 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles served here Thanks for reposting that one. And far from torpedoing my argument I believe it accentuates my view. Rhett's niece had access to a pre-release of ATGB. Was actually playing the unreleased object of our desire as she amour-traded with Avalon. Come on. How more on-topic do you want ?! - ---------- >From: Colleen Matan > > He (Robert) asked about the reissued albums. This constitutes an odd > request? this constitutes "no knowledge of the subject of our discussion > group"? > > Yet when the (alleged) niece of Rhett Davies was here, who apparently had > no knowledge of the subject of our discussion group (although she seemed > to know a lot about Joan Armatrading), you had a different response to her > new member status: > >> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:59:30 +0100 >> From: "Martin Stockman" >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] >> >> Dear Jesa >> >> As a man not unfamiliar with the trumpeting of BF associations, >> however tenuous, I welcome you unreservedly to the list. Your Uncle is >> a central figure in the odyssey, up there with the original members, >> and Price, Puxley, Hall and Hubbard. What a blistering period with >> Avalon and Boys and Girls, and all the other collaberations. Rhett >> understood Bryan's desire to create a moody soundscape to reflect >> emotional turmoil. And give it an attack, an edge, a sophistication >> not found on the reformation albums, the kitsch Manifesto and MOR >> Flesh and Blood. And Rhett had the patience to put up with the >> Maestro's seemingly endless knob-twiddling, unlike other great >> Producers who despaired of the procrastination. My friend Jeff flogged >> Pat Leonard a snooker table during the making of Bete Noire and Pat's >> ongoing nervous breakdown was reminiscent of the Parisan Police Chief >> towards Inspector Clusseau in the Panther movies ! >> >> Welcome Jesa. One question, (which you may not feel at liberty to >> answer.) We have debated as to the style of As Things Go By. Is it >> done "straight" a la "I'll See You Again" or are these standards >> reworked like the songs on Taxi ? Are they faithful renditions or >> sonic makeovers ???! >> >> Martini > > As usual, she had no substantive response to any of our questions. > > Colleen (see, like I said, it's possible to search the digests if you know > about when a discussion was held) > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #389 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest