From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #385 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 05 : Number 385 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? ["Martijn Gussekloo" ] Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? [Colleen Matan ] RE: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Now v Then v another world [avalon-digest V5 #383] ["David S] Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] duet dream home [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Bryan Ferry's dot com ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] duet dream home ["Prince of Happiness" ] Re: [AVALON] duet dream home [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] duet dream home [Rick Massuch ] Re: [AVALON] duet dream home ["Prince of Happiness" ] RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? [Colleen Matan ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:19:50 +0200 From: "Martijn Gussekloo" Subject: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Just wondering after the "Dreamhome in my hardcore" (?) post, what does the title mean actually. In every dreamhome (the house of my dreams) is a heartache, or is it In every dream home(s) a heartaches, (every dream contains a heartache). I like the second version, but I don't know if it's grammatically correct, I don't know much about English language in general. On the other hand, I'm in favor of more cheap gags. Would be nice if mr. Ferry did more cheap gigs. martyn ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:37:07 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege In einer eMail vom 25.10.00 10:00:24 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt organism-001@supanet.com: << Jawohl, mein Fuhrer! >> If you need to use such stupid phrases make sure you spell it right!!!!!!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:54:10 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Greatest Hits Nick wrote: > It seems no coincidence that only five early era songs > appeared on the Street Life greatest hits compilation > (released in 1986) and little had changed by 1995 with > only three appearing on the More Than This > compilation. Yet this was widely regarded as Ferry's > most inspiring era! Consider this - the greatest hits compilations were just that, Greatest Hits. Roxy only released 6 singles between 1972 and 1975. The Street Life collection features 4 of those, along with an album track (which admittedly was released as a single in 1977, but didn't chart). On More Than This, all three were hit singles. The Ultimate Collection featured one more of those early "hits". This only leaves Both Ends Burning from that initial batch of singles that hasn't been featured on any of the hits collections (that doesn't include The Atlantic Years or The Early Years). In the same period, Bryan Ferry released 4 singles, and during Roxy's lifetime a total of 11 as a solo artist (Roxy released 18 altogether 72 - 82). Comparing Street Life to More Than This, there is 9 years between them, therefore more stuff to get on, so things are going to get left out. MTT was also on the back of two recent albums and a tour, and was pushing Bryan Ferry as a smoothie, with a hint of an "edge". In most of the reviews I read, the recent Early Years compilation (whatever purpose that served) certainly got a favourable response and a more enthusiastic reception than that of Slave To Love and More Than This. So, was the Early Years released to balance the Slave To Love collection? Who'd like to run with that one? SimonG PS All singles referred to are UK releases. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Martijn Gussekloo wrote: > Just wondering after the "Dreamhome in my hardcore" (?) post, what > does the title mean actually. In every dreamhome (the house of my > dreams) is a heartache, or is it In every dream home(s) a heartaches, > (every dream contains a heartache). I like the second version, but I > don't know if it's grammatically correct, I don't know much about > English language in general. On the other hand, I'm in favor of more > cheap gags. It's the title of a painting by Mr. Ferry's art teacher, Richard Hamilton. (perhap someone here has a link to it which s/he could share) Hamilton was a Pop Art pioneer; the title is an ironic comment on the rampant consumer culture and materialism of the post WWII world (althought this prosperity was felt only in certain nations). It makes more sense if you see the painting. (there are some articles collected on Kicki's website which discuss this, albeit in passing) That being said, your interpretations work as well. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:20:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Guy Lawley wrote: [...] > PS: It wasn't a political discussion, it was a cheap gag! Please don't say > you're going to rule out cheap gags in Avalonia. > This is the (post-) modern world that I've heard about... We know it was a cheap gag. However, not being American and being a relative newcomer to the list, you may not be aware that 1, this is shaping up to possibly be the closest American election in 40 years so tempers are running high over, and 2, in the past Avalon has hosted many dreary long-winded political discussions which have served no purpose but to bore 99% of us. So Victor's comment was an attempt to keep list history from repeating itself. There are plenty of other cheap gags I'm sure you will be able to dredge up; this particular activity just predates your arrival. Now, the Yankees v. the Mets... Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:40:52 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now v Then v another world [avalon-digest V5 #383] On 25 Oct 2000, at 3:33, Nick Williams wrote: > Roxy spent only 12 days recording For Your Pleasure and it shows. It does. It might be argued that the main difference between then and now is that then there were so many ideas squeezed into a small amount of space and time, whereas latterly relatively fewer ideas were/are repeatedly polished over an inordinately lengthy period. I know which I prefer... But you have to remember I'm one of those dreadful 1,2,3,4 types mentioned here previously! David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:36:56 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Colleen gets us to brush up, > It's the title of a painting by Mr. Ferry's art teacher, Richard Hamilton Are you referring to "Just what is it that makes today's homes so different, so appealing ?" ? There is a good image of it at www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/771bg.jpg Regards, The Artful Dodger. n.p. Lady Lake 'No Pictures' ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:32:16 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] Guy name drops: > It's a well known fact that no-one anywhere can ever spell Siouxsie Sioux's > name. Poor Michael Moorcok even got it wrong in his last (excellent) book, > King of The City, and at least one snide reviewer picked up on the error. > For shame! It's probably just a typo. Anyone could do it. Why harp on about > it? In fact, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. Likewise poor old John McGeoch...S8^D Regards, Ivar. n.p. Brian Furry - 'Another Time, Another Plaice' ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:46:29 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Or do you mean This Is Tomorrow? - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan [mailto:cjem@his.com] Sent: 25 October 2000 11:16 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? It's the title of a painting by Mr. Ferry's art teacher, Richard Hamilton. (perhap someone here has a link to it which s/he could share) Hamilton was a Pop Art pioneer; the title is an ironic comment on the rampant consumer culture and materialism of the post WWII world (althought this prosperity was felt only in certain nations). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Ivor Canning wrote: > Colleen gets us to brush up, > > > It's the title of a painting by Mr. Ferry's art teacher, Richard Hamilton > > Are you referring to "Just what is it that > makes today's homes so different, so appealing ?" ? No wonder I couldn't find it in a quick search. :-/ My apologies, folks, for providing the wrong information. I seem to be becoming an insomniac and it is unfortunately taking its toll. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:21:03 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege < "Right. Unless you're going to vote for that idiot Bush of course." > Idiot Bush. Mindless Gore. Anybody's Governor. State Senator. Their Representatives, Mayors, Councils, Judges, Sheriffs,... This election is far more than the top two seats. Gee, Guy, thanks for your "vote of confidence" ~;o)#%= You Sweet Tart! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:25:17 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home < "But my idea that a duet with a woman would work better than one with a man is really just a crowd-pleaser" > How about a duet with a tarted up man? Or would that be a complete drag. My apology, Laura. I knew the drift of your original post. The jerk in me had to have fun responding then, as it does now. Please forgive me. Your gracious response is mature beyond your years, and the word monger inside you does quite well. Personally, a BF duet with anyone just doesn't sound good to me - I want to hear his voice, and no other's. But, I might be persuaded to think differently, Laura. Who do you think Ferry would duet well with? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:04:40 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry's dot com New message on the official MB from none other than Belinda Enthoven. As follows: >I've been reading through all your recent messages and want to reasure you that I'm >constantly thinking of new ideas for Bryan's website. We will be launching new pages >in the near future which I hope you will enjoy - so keep logging on. Hope to hear from >you all soon with your ideas, best wishes Belinda So, what you waiting for? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:10:40 CDT From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home >Personally, a BF duet with anyone just doesn't sound good to me - I want >to hear his voice, and no other's. But, I might be persuaded to think >differently, Laura. Who do you think Ferry would duet well with? Best >wishes. KBP I'd have to agree with you on this point. But then again I'd like to hear Ferry duet with David Byrne on Do the Strand or Remake/Remodel, Talking Heads material, or their solo stuff... The Prince of Happiness "Feel my fingers as they touch your arms I'm spinning around and I feel alright The book I read was in your eyes."-Talking Heads "The Book I Read" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:44:41 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home In a message dated 10/25/00 8:18:57 AM, princeofhappines@hotmail.com writes: << I'd have to agree with you on this point. But then again I'd like to hear Ferry duet with David Byrne on Do the Strand or Remake/Remodel, Talking Heads material, or their solo stuff... >> I always heard a distinct Ferry influence in early David Byrne vocals. Anyone Else? Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:27:00 +0200 From: "Ferdinand Biesheuvel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home how about a duet with K.D. Lang, it would give a nice video. or, maybe with Ute Lemper , both singing songs of Brecht and Weill. Ferdy - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home > > In a message dated 10/25/00 8:18:57 AM, princeofhappines@hotmail.com writes: > > << I'd have to agree with you on this point. But then again I'd like to > hear Ferry duet with David Byrne on Do the Strand or Remake/Remodel, Talking > Heads material, or their solo stuff... > >> > > I always heard a distinct Ferry influence in early David Byrne vocals. Anyone > Else? > Andrew in Chicago > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:30:17 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home If a duet is necessary I'd favour someone like Grace Jones or Catherine Ringer (from Les Rita Mitsouko) or myself (for "Bitter-Sweet"). ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:50:48 -0400 From: Rick Massuch Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home What about Marianne Faithfull. Julialiva@aol.com wrote: > > If a duet is necessary I'd favour someone like Grace Jones or Catherine > Ringer (from Les Rita Mitsouko) or myself (for "Bitter-Sweet"). > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:54:58 CDT From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home >I always heard a distinct Ferry influence in early David Byrne vocals. >Anyone >Else? >Andrew in Chicago Sure do! I was listening to Talking Heads '77 when I wrote that earlier post. I connected the dots when I heard Remake/Remodel and I hear Mr. Ferry going, "I could talk talk talk talk talk myself to death." It then became as clear as day. The Prince of Happiness "Feel my fingers as they touch your arms I'm spinning around and I feel alright The book I read was in your eyes."-Talking Heads "The Book I Read" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:20:01 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] duet dream home In a message dated 10/25/00 11:11:34 AM, wtsrdm@ameritech.net writes: << What about Marianne Faithfu >> Or June Tabor? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:26:00 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege Please enlighten me. For a man without an umlaut on his keyboard I thought I'd done OK. - -----Original Message----- Julialiva@aol.com Sent: 25 October 2000 09:37 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege In einer eMail vom 25.10.00 10:00:24 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt organism-001@supanet.com: << Jawohl, mein Fuhrer! >> If you need to use such stupid phrases make sure you spell it right!!!!!!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:26:02 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege Fair comment. Agreed, indeed, about long political diatribes; no place here. I am in fact following the run-up to the election this year pretty closely. The UK is the 51st State in many ways and we actually do care! (But not, in my case, about baseball!) - -----Original Message----- Colleen Matan Sent: 25 October 2000 11:21 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege > PS: It wasn't a political discussion, it was a cheap gag! We know it was a cheap gag. However, not being American and being a relative newcomer to the list, you may not be aware that 1, this is shaping up to possibly be the closest American election in 40 years so tempers are running high over, and 2, in the past Avalon has hosted many dreary long-winded political discussions which have served no purpose but to bore 99% of us. So Victor's comment was an attempt to keep list history from repeating itself. There are plenty of other cheap gags I'm sure you will be able to dredge up; this particular activity just predates your arrival. Now, the Yankees v. the Mets... Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:26:09 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? - -----Original Message----- Colleen Matan Sent: 25 October 2000 12:57 To: Avalon Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? I seem to be becoming an insomniac and it is unfortunately taking its toll. Colleen - ---------------------------- Me too. And it's not funny. I recommend an active holiday. I'm having one next week. I might be less manic after! X Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:26:07 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Oh, this getting good!* Was there in fact a painting called "This Is Tomorrow"? (I don't know. Do tell.) But it *was* the name of the 1956 exhibition for which Hamilton created "Just what is it that makes today's homes so different, so appealing ?" as the poster/catalogue illustration. *On the other hand, I don't know if I've got the stamina for a serious discussion of the links between Pop Art and Bryan Ferry's work. Perhaps you guys have already had it, anyway!! X Guy - ----------------------------------------------------- Original message: Jocelyn Fiske Sent: 25 October 2000 12:46 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Or do you mean This Is Tomorrow? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:26:05 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] Tee, and indeed, hee. Hope you spotted the (non-deliberate) misspelling of Moorcock! Well, yer gotta larf, inchya? as Skakey Mo Collier might say. X Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ivor Canning Sent: 25 October 2000 12:32 To: Avalon Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] Guy name drops: > It's a well known fact that no-one anywhere can ever spell Siouxsie Sioux's > name. Poor Michael Moorcok even got it wrong in his last (excellent) book, > King of The City, and at least one snide reviewer picked up on the error. > For shame! It's probably just a typo. Anyone could do it. Why harp on about > it? In fact, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. Likewise poor old John McGeoch...S8^D Regards, Ivar. n.p. Brian Furry - 'Another Time, Another Plaice' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:26:04 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Yeah, what he said, and it's a very small collage, not a painting. I have a big blow-up photo-print of it on my living room wall. Never made the link with the song before, though, so big thanks to Colleen for that insight. "Just what is it that makes today's homes so different, so appealing ?" is an old favourite. I bought the print at a Pop Art retrospective exhibition in London some years ago. The cassette you could play as you walked round the exhibition, as an aural catalogue/commentary on the show, was narrated by some obscure former student of Hamilton's called Bryan Ferry. Wonder what happened to him? I expect I could dig out the tape if anyone would like to hear it (not promising, mind). Which brings up the question: does anyone have a copy of Virginia Plain (the painting)? Yrs. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ivor Canning Sent: 25 October 2000 12:37 To: Avalon Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Colleen gets us to brush up, > It's the title of a painting by Mr. Ferry's art teacher, Richard Hamilton Are you referring to "Just what is it that makes today's homes so different, so appealing ?" ? There is a good image of it at www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/771bg.jpg Regards, The Artful Dodger. n.p. Lady Lake 'No Pictures' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:25:56 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Pulp did a song (&album) called "This is Hardcore" (if memory serves) which was being hailed in the post as an "In Every Dream Home A Heartache" for the 90s. Or the 00s, I forget which. Hence the punny subject line for the post. "Hardcore" refers to hard core or hardcore pornography. In his song, the Jarv is comparing his life as a "star" with what he had expected/hoped it would be like and bemoaning the fact that, like hard core porn, the early excitement had worn off with prolonged exposure. Or something along those lines. I have to admit to having read this an interview with Mr Cocker and not having heard the song itself! Over to those who have... Does this help? The full meaning/nuance of the original Roxy song is something I could only write about if I had a spare week. However, luckily, you can listen to it yourself (I expect) rather than read any more blather from me. However, I will add that if you didn't live in Britain in the early seventies, you might miss some of the resonance of the song. On the whole, it does however speak to just about any part of the modern era, I think. Whether it has the same "finger on the pulse" of the "post-modern" world we supposedly inhabit is perhaps debatable; "I'd like to think so." Thanks for your support re: cheap gags. Agreed about the gigs! Yrs. Guy - -----Original Message----- Martijn Gussekloo Sent: 25 October 2000 09:20 Just wondering after the "Dreamhome in my hardcore" (?) post, what does the title mean actually. In every dreamhome (the house of my dreams) is a heartache, or is it In every dream home(s) a heartaches, (every dream contains a heartache). I like the second version, but I don't know if it's grammatically correct, I don't know much about English language in general. On the other hand, I'm in favor of more cheap gags. Would be nice if mr. Ferry did more cheap gigs. martyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:11:00 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? As you rightly point out this was Hamilton's first foray into the world of collage in 1956, the illustration was created for the exhibition This Is Tomorrow at The Whitechapel Gallery and appeared as the cover of the catalogue and as the exhibition poster and is frequently referred to (albeit wrongly) as This Is Tomorrow. And yup we have trodden that thread bare. Colleen, would you be so kind as to point us to the digest reference. I thank you. - -----Original Message----- From: Guy Lawley [mailto:organism-001@supanet.com] Sent: 25 October 2000 17:26 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? Oh, this getting good!* Was there in fact a painting called "This Is Tomorrow"? (I don't know. Do tell.) But it *was* the name of the 1956 exhibition for which Hamilton created "Just what is it that makes today's homes so different, so appealing ?" as the poster/catalogue illustration. *On the other hand, I don't know if I've got the stamina for a serious discussion of the links between Pop Art and Bryan Ferry's work. Perhaps you guys have already had it, anyway!! X Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:33:59 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: [AVALON] cd-tree re-release...order now! Dear Avalonians As promised, over the next few months we will be "re-releasing" the cd's that have been made available via the cd trees in the past. To start, there are two compilation cd's with all kinds of performances. Most of the tracks are of excellent sound quality. Some of them are not Hi as Fi can go, but are included because they are very rare. Full details of the cd's follow, but first... How to order: UK Avalonians can contact simong@jazzfm.com the rest of the universe snijders.geest@hetnet.nl Please ensure you are using the correct email address, both for your area AND the spelling. You should be able to double click the addresses above, or cut and paste them. 1 Send an email with the subject "cd-order". 2 State which discs you want. 3 Give your full postal address. The price: As usual, the cost is for materials and postage. You can pay Simon in Pounds 1cd : £3 2 cd's : £5.50 You can pay Han in Dutch guilders 1 F10,- 2 F15,- German Marks 1 10Dm 2 15 Dm Belgian francs 1 200 bfr 2 300 bfr France francs 1 30 Ff or 50 Ff English Pounds 1 3p 2 5p Us Dollars 1 $4,- 2 $6,- For the dutch: F 8,- or F13,- Giro 5462247 Han can't accept cheques etc. Never sent coins! In Dm you can't get 15 Dm in paper money you can sent Han 20 Dm and the next two cd's you get for 10 Dm. But remind Han when you order the next time. As soon as money is received we will send your cd's. Artwork will be supplied as JPEGs via email. This is to keep our hard costs as low as possible. So, what's on the cd's? All Styles Served Here: 1. Will You Still Love Me (accoustic live version Later with Jools Holland, 1993) 2. The Right Stuff 3. Kiss And Tell (Saturday night live, 1988, very funky!) 4. Sensation 5. Boys And Girls 6. Slave To Love 7. Jealous Guy (Live Aid, 1985, yes he can sing out of tune) 8. Slave To Love 9. Jealous Guy 10. Let's Stick Together 11. Hey Jude (Heineken Night Of the Promms, 1995) 12. Railroad Boy 13. John Hardy (Meltdown Festival, Royal Festival Hall, 1999. Bryan goes folk, the sound isn't excellent!) Strictly Confidential 1. I Put The Spell On You 2. Slave To Love 3. Your Painted Smile 4. Jealous Guy 5. Love Is The Drug 6. Avalon (Pantages Theatre Hollywood 1994) 7. Jealous Guy 8. Mamouna (The Danny Baker Show, UK TV, 1994) 9. As Time Goes By 10. Let's Stick Together 11. Jealous Guy (Net Aid, 1999) 12. As Time Goes By 13. Falling In Love Again (Later with Jools Holland, 1999) 14. More Than This 15. Circles 16. Movie, Move Me (Demo's Avalon sessions, no discussion on the list please) 17. Smoke Gets In Your Eyes 18. What a Wonderful world (The Twiggy Show, UH V 1974, the second one is the famous duet!) And there you have it! Han SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:58:01 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: [AVALON] to Maria Yefimova I also sent you about four or five messages with my address and a list of things I can give you in return, but I guess it never reached you. Yesterday I.ve sent it again. No reply yet Try to contact me on my own address and leave a message on this list that you've sent me a reply Cheers Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:09:25 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: RE: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:36:39 +0100 > From: "Guy Lawley" > Subject: RE: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home > > I can see your POV, but consider this scenario also; a duet with a sexy and > somewhat ambiguous younger thing of the Brian Molko type, to choose a > non-random example. Many many public interested. Despite same, > standard/routine public expectations confounded. Image good with > multi-trans-gender-sexual crowd also possibly enhanced telephone crossword. > Nipple clamp sliced loaf 2 lumps please, you're the bees knees, but so am I. > Reel Around The Fountain, excellent song of choice nailclippers. > > Some of us are so good at wordmongering we can translate into the Japanese > and back *instantaneously*. LOL! Mmm, I suppose you're right - the 'younger generation' (as far as I understand them ;-) would probably prefer something a little more inventive than the male/female duet which they probably see as old and overused. However, I think Bowie got away with his duet with Molko very easily, because he's so well respected by my generation (and he has the sexual ambiguity factor as well) - but my generation have had little exposure to Ferry, and probably know him only as the leather-trousered housewives' favourite that his 80s - 90s image has shoved upon them. I hope *that* made sense. Bye Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:18:33 GMT From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Magazine/Deveto performance on UK TV Hi all Coincedently to this week's discussion, Magazine were on TOTP2 (BBC2) this evening. I should imagine it'll be repeated at the weekend. Also, Ms Hall was on TV last night with Ruby Wax. Amongst alot of "noise", BF was mentioned briefly and how he was quite taken with the sight of her being "scrubbed" of the blue paint from the Siren shoot. Apologies for non-UK residents, Andrew _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:25:19 +0100 From: gardner@onmail.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Magazine/Roxy similiaritie Does anyone else remember an article I think it was the NME - around 1978 - interview with Howard Devoto promoting the album Real Life - anyway the photo was himself and another band member parodying the cover of Country Life - hows that for a link.... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:29:36 +0200 From: "Martijn Gussekloo" Subject: [AVALON] Req. Posters to look at Trying to keep up with post-modern-society's Pop Icon culture and making an excellent example of "those damn teenagers" of myself I just scavenged the web for posters featuring either mr. Ferry or his shiny glamrockband that-used-to-be, and found none. Is that because the real world doesn't love Roxy Music, or just because I managed to get to like the most unknown band of all times (my friends are still wondering whether Roxy is my dog or one of my imaginary friends...) Roxy Music should get more media-attention, and second, there should be posters available so I can decorate my walls with style and substance. Maybe someone who already completed the quest for Roxy-Music-things-to-attach-to-your-walls could be of some assistance? assistence? assist- never mind... Really, why can the 'Sugarbabes' (ahem) be very popular and must Roxy Music be old-fashioned? The song Re-make/re-model is still ahead of its time :) martijn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:28:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Jocelyn Fiske wrote: > And yup we have trodden that thread bare. Colleen, would you be so > kind as to point us to the digest reference. I thank you. I'd love to but I don't keep posts archived myself and it'd mean literally reading every digest...if someone remembers about when it was, I'd be happy to do a targeted search. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dreamhome, homes dreams? addendum: Just because the subject has been discussed once doesn't mean new folks can't bring it up again--new blood and all that. Colleen > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Jocelyn Fiske wrote: > > > And yup we have trodden that thread bare. Colleen, would you be so > > kind as to point us to the digest reference. I thank you. > > I'd love to but I don't keep posts archived myself and it'd mean literally > reading every digest...if someone remembers about when it was, I'd be > happy to do a targeted search. > > Colleen > > ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #385 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest