From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #383 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 05 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] Post-Bride emotion [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Post-Bride emotion ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Now v Then v another world [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] FYP - Second's out... ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] ["Prince of Happiness" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid benighted? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Theresa Fagan Sent: 24 October 2000 03:57 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid You meant to say "knighted clueless screwhead(s)." - --TriTri - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" | The whole thing [live aid] was a miserable sham hastily thrown together by clueless | screw heads ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:24:50 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post-Bride emotion In einer eMail vom 23.10.00 15:24:21 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt soeteman@uni-bremen.de: << Well, yes actually - I learnt singing by singing along to Roxy and Ferry records (now some might say, "So you can't sing properly!" - but well,... >> Das würde mich sehr interessieren, da ich auch singe. Gibt's Aufnahmen? Kannst mir gern off-line schreiben, dann muß ich mich nicht so mit dem Englischen herumquälen, trifft doch nie ganz den Kern. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:39:48 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post-Bride emotion Julialiva gets curious about Christian's singing but wants an off-list reply: > Das würde mich sehr interessieren, da ich auch singe. Gibt's Aufnahmen? > Kannst mir gern off-line schreiben, dann muß ich mich nicht so mit dem > Englischen herumquälen, trifft doch nie ganz den Kern. nein, das wollen wir alle wissen! ;) no, we all want to know about that! sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: nick williams Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now v Then v another world > < "If you look at Ferry's modern output the opposite is true: he > probably cares more for the music than the lyrics." > ... < "That's not > to say he cannot write a fantastic lyric any more. He can, but for the > last 20 years they have usually been written to suit the music." > > > How do you know that, Nick? > > I must inhabit another planet where the natives believe modern Ferry > lyrics are calculated, judicious, and provoking. We also believe modern > Ferry music is meticulously crafted. Our theory is that Mr. Ferry's > output is that of an artiste total. Well sorry for sounding like a know it all. What I should have perhaps said was that Ferry was once less careful with the sound than he was with the lyrics (as opposed to saying that he didn't care much for it). I'm thinking about For Your Pleasure here. Songs like Editions Of You, Do The Strand, and Beauty Queen are sounding a bit square to me nowadays and I far rather listen to the 1989 live version of Dreamhome (from the Painted Smile single) than the original album version. The musical structure of Do The Stand sounds so repetitive to me (up, down, up, down). Roxy spent only 12 days recording For Your Pleasure and it shows. I still adore the lyrics though and imagine that a lot more sweat and toil went into them. They have a timeless quality. In recent years Ferry has been extremely careful with all facets of his work. So it's probably unfair to say that he was any less careful with certain aspects of it. However I stand firm on the matter of his modern method of writing the words around the music. If you read the following by the man himself from The Bryan Ferry Story in 1994 you might well become convinced yourself: "I'm singing the sound of the tune or whatever but not the words necessarily. Sometimes the tune changes completely by the time it goes to the finished record. Sometimes it stays very close. Sometimes it stays incredibly close to the original scat vocal where I'd been trying to be an instrument and not a person singing words and trying to get as much of the feeling of the song in an abstract way and not be limited by words, meanings of words, particularisation of moods because of words". ~ Bryan Ferry 1994 So what do you say to that? Anyway I don't see any reason to view this method of recording as "calculated, judicious, and provoking". Maybe you could shed light on why you think it is? Nick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: nick williams Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now v Then Some very good points here Colleen and I definitely concede the point that any major work of popular art is completely of its time or place. The singer/songwriter has never disappeared, > nor has the person interested in tinkering in the studio. > Good point. Perhaps what I should have said (instead of making such an extreme division) was that songwriting was more the vogue in the early 70's while finding the right sound became the new vogue from the early 80's. I think that the music on the early albums is as > carefully crafted, no matter how offhand it may seem, as the lyrics. > Everything about Roxy was crafted and done with deliberation. Maybe it > wasn't as, erm, finely honed as his later solo work, but I don't get the > impression that any aspect of Roxy was slapdash or left in an undone > manner. Andy Mackay said the following in 1997: ................................................ "One of the things about early Roxy Music is that we all thought we were doing something different to the end result. When we did a supposedly 'difficult' song, like 'Would You Believe' we thought that we were playing a very funky rock song. Or when we were playing live, we thought of ourselves as very edgy rock 'n' roll." ...."Bryan had maybe thought about it; he'd wanted to be a pop singer, but hadn't quite got round to knowing how to do it." ...."But I wonder whether Bryan, at the time, was really aware of what he was doing. The band he was in before, the Gas Board, was basically a soul band; and it's very interesting that as soon as he got the chance to launch his solo career off the back of Roxy with These Foolish Things, he immediately did covers of all the songs by singers who he admired - which were soul songs. I think he thought he was singing one thing, but because he was English, it came out differently." .................................................. I always thought that was pretty close to how things actually happened. Bryan's vision of Roxy Music was probably a lot different when he decided to set up the band compared to what the first album became. Bryan's pre-Roxy bands appeared to starkly contrast what Roxy stood for. It was the introduction of Eno and Mackay that gave things an avant-garde direction. By this stage Bryan began to think that this could be much better than his original plan and played it up. Therefore the very origins of Roxy were not conscious at all. I often think that's why the first album sends out different messages. There were so many different influences within one band. Somewhat amazingly the end result was staggering. Beyond this Ferry had definitely decided where he wanted to go with the band so things did become very carefully crafted. But even so they made careless mistakes (pointed out in my previous post). It was probably down to pressure on time but, as Ferry has said, the rhythm section on some of those early Roxy albums was weak. I'd say his work of say 10, 15, 20 years later is much more highly crafted for the simple reason that nowadays he feels unbound by time constraints. > But I don't think that he has consciously > chosen to change his music in order to keep it more current. I don't see > any of that sort of musical calculation (cynicism, even) from his music > during the last 15 or so years, and I'd be very disappointed to learn > otherwise. Again I fail to see how this is cynical. A popular musician needs to keep moving or else he gets left behind. Unless of course you don't view Ferry as a popular musician. I do however and I applaud Ferry for staying with the times for as long as he has with relation to his original work (covers being another matter), especially since his work has never lost anything by staying current. Nick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:20:42 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege Dear Rod: I understand your cynical view of US politics, indeed I share it, too. But do be sure to vote, Tuesday, Nov. 7 - it is the only voice we have as individuals with respect to what goes on. Your vote, my vote, and everyone's individual vote collectively do make a difference. A no-vote is a waste of civil liberty. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:16:08 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now v Then v another world Dear Nick: Thanks for clarification on BF's music/lyrics emphasis. < "In recent years Ferry has been extremely careful with all facets of his work. So it's probably unfair to say that he was any less careful with certain aspects of it. However I stand firm on the matter of his modern method of writing the words around the music." > If I correctly understand your meaning, then we are agreed on the above. Ferry is extremely careful with ALL facets of his work. And, yes, Mr. Ferry's studio approach is well demonstrated on various out-takes of pieces in progress where he scats at melody. If you are attempting to say with your above last sentence that "in the past BF first wrote lyrics then suited music to them", yes I think so too, "and in recent years (at least the past decade) BF constructs his work differently than in the past", then, yes, I think so too. I've copied a brief portion of the quote provided, given by Mr. Ferry: << "... trying to get as much of the feeling of the song in an abstract way..." >> I believe that "modern day BF" begins each piece with an idea, an impulse, a feeling. He develops his brew. I believe, very early in his ingredient list, he already knows what he wants to say/express/convey - not necessarily in exact words completed as lyrics. He adds a little this and a little that, experiments with the total impression, as he views it. He further adjusts components (sound, sensation, words) until, I believe, he has created that which had started only as a notion long ago. I believe this creative, filtering process involves a "calculated, judicious, and provoking" methodology. That's all. I do not believe "his modern method of writing the words around the music." is an accurate statement. Hope I've been clear on this, Nick. Good topic you've got going here. Best wishes, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:24:21 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now v Then Nick wrote: "Beyond this Ferry had definitely decided where he wanted to go with the band so things did become very carefully crafted. But even so they made careless mistakes (pointed out in my previous post). It was probably down to pressure on time but, as Ferry has said, the rhythm section on some of those early Roxy albums was weak. I'd say his work of say 10, 15, 20 years later is much more highly crafted for the simple reason that nowadays he feels unbound by time constraints." I wonder how technology has played a role in the ability to craft material, help or hindrance? KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:07:59 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid I had totally forgotten about the failure of the end means of Live Aid. I for one is glad the cold war ois over and that Marxism is a thing of the past in most countries. I did not remember the mike failure of Mr Ferry, but I do remember the mike not working during "Let It Be". And please all you Americans, use your right to vote in November, I can not, but I am deeply affected by the results. A US Dollar is worth twice as much in Swedish kronor then it was 20 years ago. One thing that made me grateful for living in a democracy was the lines of blacks in South Africa, in the mid-90's, lining up to vote for the first time. np "In My Life", The Beatles Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:29:15 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] FYP - Second's out... Nick, I read your posts with some interest but one thing keeps nagging away at me and it's this - are you sure you've solved the chicken and egg conundrum ? > Phil Manzanera is on record as saying that the success of > early Roxy was a combination of "right time, right > place". Certainly if you look at a song like Do The > Strand it's obvious that Ferry cared far more for the > lyrics than the music. I'm convinced that both of the > first two Roxy albums would have fallen flat on their > face had they been released any time beyond 1980. > Great lyrics but the music would not have suited > either decade. I can't help but disagree - I think (personal tastes and biases aside) Roxy's early *commercial* success was more to do with the 'vacuum effect' than the open-minded acceptance by than anything, they were *different* to what was going on anywhere in popular music then. I believe that this is what Manzanera's comment is about. It's a matter of taste of course but I can think of nothing that has ever sounded like 'For Your Pleasure' (for good or ill). In terms of recorded sound, I can hear nothing which dates it, mainly thanks to a lot of home-made effecting. As far as the rhtyhm dsection goes , Thompson and Porter are as tight and powerful as any I've heard anywhere - to suggest that Andy Newmark is a very much 'one-of-a-kind- for me, with a close-miked, driving sound that actually flew in the face of most recordings of that time (muted 'cardboard' sounding drums. defies classification more neatly than just about any other. - - hence Phil Manzanera's comment !! > If you look at Ferry's modern output the opposite is > true: he probably cares more for the music than the > lyrics. Again it may well be because this is the > trend. The groove of the music very much suits the > times (Avalon, B&G, BN, Mamouna). That's not to say > he cannot write a fantastic lyric any more. He can, > but for the last 20 years they have usually been > written to suit the music. That often means that the > lyrics are far more condensed and therefore often far > more subtle as well. > > It seems no coincidence that only five early era songs > appeared on the Street Life greatest hits compilation > (released in 1986) and little had changed by 1995 with > only three appearing on the More Than This > compilation. Yet this was widely regarded as Ferry's > most inspiring era! There must have been a > realisation that the Roxy sound of yore no longer had > a market. Bryan Ferry himself reflected ruefully > during numerous interviews in the 80's on the limits > of the rhythm section in those early days, almost as > if he was embarrassed by it. I think his memories are > fonder now and hopefully the release of The Early > Years is an indication that things are changing for > the better. > > > > > Surely it is "run[ning] for the poisoned pen?" only > if you feel it is > > impossible to express a critical thought without it > being _ipso facto_ an > > unfounded attack? There are songs on _As Time > Goes By_ which are > > note-for-note remakes of the original versions and > it is possible to be > > disappointed by the album for precisely that > reason. > > > I happen to share some of your criticisms of this > album. However my point is that it's a bit harsh to > say that Ferry has dried up on the basis of one album > when for so long he has maintained an impeccably high > standard. It might seem disappointing that the As > Time Goes By tracks are often lacking his own personal > touch but then he'd done this so many times before > that maybe he just felt that it was time for a change > in approach. > > Nick > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:34:38 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] FYP - Second's out...arghhh, please disregard !!! Oops ! Sorry folks, strike that last half-finished gobbledegook - my son thoughtfully submitted it when my back was turned - proper comments later... Regards, Ivor. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:05:17 -0700 From: Ida M Miller Subject: Re: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV Maria, I have written you several times with my address, volunteering to be one of the persons who will transfer PAL to NTSC, for those needing the North American format. I have never heard back from you. Some weeks ago you posted that you had 3 addresses; today you say you have only one address. I am posting this to every available method of reaching you, to repeat my offer to be one of the distributors of the Russian interview. I don't know if my off-list posts have never reached you .. so I try this way. Please acknowledge if I'm going to be one of the recipients of this video. Some of the NTSC 'customers' are getting nervous :=D Thanks alot. Ida Miller 2851 Rolling Hills Drive, #30 Fullerton, CA 92835-2311 USA Hello dear Avalonians! I have copied all the tapes, and I am afraid that very soon I wont have a chance to send them!!!!! So far I have only one address! Please please please send me 10 addresses! People who will make copies, wake up!!! Send them to: maria_ye@hotmail.com Kind regards, Maria ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:15:54 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] On 23 Oct 2000, at 4:05, Julialiva wrote: > And John McGeogh (does anyone know what happened to this genious > guitarist. He played with Siouxie & the Banshees in the eighties and, I think, also played (plays?) with PiL. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:15:54 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] band [avalon-digest V5 #377] On 21 Oct 2000, at 19:20, Mark Thomas wrote: > i am a bassist and would like to know if anyone my be interested > in forming a R.M./B.F. tribute band in the sf, ca. bay area. if so > feel free to contact me for more info. With Roxy Music's rapacious appetite for bass players, you may stand a good chance of playing for them next year... David (who went to the same school as Rik Kenton...) - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:15:55 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Producer [was Live Aid] [avalon-digest V5 #379] On 22 Oct 2000, at 18:37, an organism wrote: > Maybe get Nick Lowe to produce it. Remember his 1976 ethos? In the > studio, "bang it down and tart it up later"; his very words, I > believe. Not quite - "bash it down". Hence the Nick-name - "Basher"! But it's not the bashing it down that takes Bryan so long, it's the tarting up... David (who says, go and dig up Lowe's "American Squirm", a song with so many hook lines it can kill...) - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:15:56 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] singing flat off-topic [avalon-digest V5 #381] On 23 Oct 2000, at 21:49, KBP wrote: > I remember a very long (perhaps eight or so minutes) piece Mr. > Waits did in the earlymid90's. It featured Waits mimicking an > old-time drunk singing an old-time song/hymn, backed by an > orchestra. "Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet" by Gavin Bryars. I haven't heard the Waits' version, but remain intrigued by the original, which appeared originally on Eno's Obscure Records label in 1976 (I think), along with "The Sinking of the Titanic". Virgin re-issued it on CD in 1998 and I bought it. The original consists of a loop of tape from a documentary film soundtrack of a tramp singing a fragment of this hymn. This is joined by a small orchestra, fading in and then fading away again. It lasts for about 26 minutes and is remarkably affecting. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:52:14 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon updated http://www.avalon.pp.se has once more (!!) been updated. Twelve (12) smashing pictures from Moscow, taken by Jocelyn and Lucy Wilkins. Rush over and have a look! /Kicki G, webmistress - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:19:33 CDT From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] >He played with Siouxie & the Banshees in the eighties and, I think, >also played (plays?) with PiL. > >David > >-- >David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK Is PiL still together? They've been awfully quiet, and I understand Johnny Lydon wanted to work solo... The Prince of Happiness "Feel my fingers as they touch your arms I'm spinning around and I feel alright The book I read was in your eyes."-Talking Heads "The Book I Read" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:38:13 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege Right. Unless you're going to vote for that idiot Bush of course. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KB Porter Sent: 24 October 2000 13:21 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege Dear Rod: I understand your cynical view of US politics, indeed I share it, too. But do be sure to vote, Tuesday, Nov. 7 - it is the only voice we have as individuals with respect to what goes on. Your vote, my vote, and everyone's individual vote collectively do make a difference. A no-vote is a waste of civil liberty. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:38:20 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] It's a well known fact that no-one anywhere can ever spell Siouxsie Sioux's name. Poor Michael Moorcok even got it wrong in his last (excellent) book, King of The City, and at least one snide reviewer picked up on the error. For shame! It's probably just a typo. Anyone could do it. Why harp on about it? In fact, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of David Squires Sent: 24 October 2000 19:16 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] On 23 Oct 2000, at 4:05, Julialiva wrote: > And John McGeogh (does anyone know what happened to this genious > guitarist. He played with Siouxie & the Banshees in the eighties and, I think, also played (plays?) with PiL. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:40:36 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] Work? John??!!? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Prince of Happiness Sent: 24 October 2000 20:20 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Horrid [avalon-digest V5 #380] >He played with Siouxie & the Banshees in the eighties and, I think, >also played (plays?) with PiL. > >David > >-- >David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK Is PiL still together? They've been awfully quiet, and I understand Johnny Lydon wanted to work solo... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:40:30 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Producer [was Live Aid] [avalon-digest V5 #379] I stand corrected!! Thanks. (The tarting up always takes, ages, doesn't it, fellas? Where *is* my blue mascara?) X Guy NP: Heart Of The City - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of David Squires Sent: 24 October 2000 19:16 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Producer [was Live Aid] [avalon-digest V5 #379] On 22 Oct 2000, at 18:37, an organism wrote: > Maybe get Nick Lowe to produce it. Remember his 1976 ethos? In the > studio, "bang it down and tart it up later"; his very words, I > believe. Not quite - "bash it down". Hence the Nick-name - "Basher"! But it's not the bashing it down that takes Bryan so long, it's the tarting up... David (who says, go and dig up Lowe's "American Squirm", a song with so many hook lines it can kill...) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:11:27 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV I've heard nothing from Maria either, in case dear British Avalonions are wondering why I'm sitting on the CDs - ---------- >From: Ida M Miller >To: maria_ye@hotmail.com, msmaria@online.ru, AVALON mailing list >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV >Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2000, 7:05 pm > > Maria, I have written you several times with my address, volunteering to > be one of the persons who will transfer PAL to NTSC, for those needing > the > North American format. I have never heard back from you. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:56:46 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV The Cheka are probably censoring her incoming mail - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Martin Stockman Sent: 24 October 2000 21:11 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV I've heard nothing from Maria either, in case dear British Avalonions are wondering why I'm sitting on the CDs ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:11:27 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV I've heard nothing from Maria either, in case dear British Avalonions are wondering why I'm sitting on the CDs - ---------- >From: Ida M Miller >To: maria_ye@hotmail.com, msmaria@online.ru, AVALON mailing list >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV >Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2000, 7:05 pm > > Maria, I have written you several times with my address, volunteering to > be one of the persons who will transfer PAL to NTSC, for those needing > the > North American format. I have never heard back from you. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:13:29 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: Re: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:26:16 -0400 > From: KB Porter > Subject: Re: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home > > < "This is the thing - I think it would suit Ferry's persona better to > duet with a woman, if only for balance with his so blatantly masculine > image. " > > > Blatantly masculine image? I don't really see that. > Why? I wasn't entirely sure how to word it - he's not masculine in the most obvious macho way, but it's to do with the public's perceived image of him as a bit of a ladies' man. We, of course, know that he's supposed to be rather shyer than a lot of people might like to think. But my idea that a duet with a woman would work better than one with a man is really just a crowd-pleaser - the public (those of them who know who Bryan is), I assume, would rather see him doing a partnership in a classic Bogart/Bacall stylee. Did that make any sense? I'm nothing like as practised in the art of wordmongering as some of you are. Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:21:45 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege > Right. Unless you're going to vote for that idiot Bush of course. stop this crap in its tracks. no political discussions in avalonia. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:34:44 EDT From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege Go Victor! Please just remind all your Republican friends to be sure to vote on Nov. 8... '-) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:35:41 GMT From: "Maria Yefimova" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV Sorry, but well, this is not funny, for I have received nothing to any of my private e-mails from any of you, otherwise I would have sent tapes week ago. Maybe there are problems with email, I dont know! Now I have got one more address from Ida, so it's three now. Still I am waiting for your addresses, so maybe it is reasonable to post them here. Maria. >From: "Guy Lawley" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: RE: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV >Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:56:46 +0100 > >The Cheka are probably censoring her incoming mail > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of >Martin Stockman >Sent: 24 October 2000 21:11 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Interview for Russian TV > > >I've heard nothing from Maria either, in case dear British Avalonions are >wondering why I'm sitting on the CDs > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:32:02 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege I second the motion. Judy Remove 'is' and replace 'work' with 'home' to reply - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Hastings" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: off-topic privilege > > Right. Unless you're going to vote for that idiot Bush of course. > > stop this crap in its tracks. no political discussions in avalonia. > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #383 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest