From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #379 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, October 22 2000 Volume 05 : Number 379 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid [mark thomas ] Re: [AVALON] Limbo : Very strange cargo ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] Remaster Vs Remix or both ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] Live Aid [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] Horrid [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Re: Live Aid [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Horrid [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Live Aid [AMeyersLD@aol.com] [AVALON] Hopelessly Devoto [Jim Rosencutter ] Re: RE: [AVALON] singing flat ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] Avalon updated [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: [AVALON] Horrid ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Live Aid ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Hopelessly Devoto ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic : Hopelessly Devoto ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Hopeless Dave ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] [AVALON] Horrid? [jas2347@xsite.net] [AVALON] Musicladen dvd ["michael ferguson" ] Re: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home ["Laura Shadbolt" ] Re: [AVALON] Now v Then [Julialiva@aol.com] [AVALON] Doubts ["Martijn Gussekloo" ] Re: [AVALON] Horrid [Julialiva@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Musicladen dvd ["Chris Turner" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 01:04:12 -0700 From: mark thomas Subject: RE: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid well you know i'm a big tom waits fan, and although he doesn't sing "in tune", thats beside the point. it's the content of the song, the irony of the lyric juxtaposed against the voice, and not the technical aspect of the singing. he actually has something to say, much the same as brian ferry, who is not a technically great singer, but in the same way has something to say. you people have to get off this point because it's really irrelavant and shows your lack of musical maturity....let's move on. (the central scrutinizer) Thank You, M.Thomas gotbass@earthlink.net ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:59:58 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Limbo : Very strange cargo - ---------- >From: Glen Lehman > > I can see Martin's point about Limbo fitting in with themes on FYP. Perhaps, > Martin you might care to share some of your thoughts on the literary links with > some of the other songs on Beté Noir. Hi Glen, hope all is well down under. I suggested Limbo might have slunk neatly into the Stranded grooves, without a great deal of thought if I'm honest. FYP hangs together conceptually and musically whereas Stranded is a set of extraordinary individual songs. FYP's tonality is set by the sleeve : Disguise, darkness, submission + our old friends yearning and addiction. When the diamond is drawn 'cross vulcanite (to borrow one of Puxley's delicious aphorisms) these themes reverberate in spades. Dreamhome, Confidential, Beauty Queen (plying very strange cargo), For your pleasure (with your dark horse hiding - mmn what CAN that mean) with The Bogus Man keeping the pillow damp in the hour before dawn. Strand and Editions lighten the tone, of course, but an argument could be made that the themes I've alluded to are here as well. Stranded is a curate's egg. (And I wouldn't draw too much inferrence from the fairly unpleasant sleeve. Abandonment is a bedfellow of addiction - love, drugs, sex, - but Marilyn Cole's deshabille has all the charm of a slash movie. Quite dated really, unlike much of the other photo-art.) I just thought, off the cuff, that Limbo's individuality would have sat comfortably with other one-offs - Pearl, Serenade, Street Life, Song For Europe, Amazona, Sunset. Dr Martin Stockman ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:48:33 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: [AVALON] Good Singers - Great Lyrics Mark, I completely agree with you on Tom Waits: the voice first captured my attention but the lyrics have held it for many years. Much the same as Ferry, Springsteen and John Lennon. There is not a *great* singer among them but all are lyrically brilliant. I fail to understand how any person who has ever been in a long-term relationship could not appreciate Waits' Frank's Wild Years. For me it perfectly expresses the frustration of a so-called *normal* existence and how one man coped with those frustrations. Judy Remove 'is' and replace 'work' with 'home' to reply - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark thomas" To: Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:04 AM Subject: RE: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid > well you know i'm a big tom waits fan, and although he doesn't sing > "in tune", thats beside the point. it's the content of the song, the irony > of the lyric juxtaposed against the voice, and not the technical aspect of > the singing. he actually has something to say, much the same as brian > ferry, who is not a technically great singer, but in the same way has > something to say. you people have to get off this point because it's really > irrelavant and shows your lack of musical maturity....let's move on. > > (the central scrutinizer) > > Thank You, > > M.Thomas > > gotbass@earthlink.net > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:10:10 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Kiki G/Kicki D >> > Kiki G wrote: >> > >> >>Hush now, before you'll know it they'll be climbing the charts with a >duet! >> >>Probably a cover, probably sometinhg like "Don't go breaking my heart" >> > >and I replied: >> >Hmmm... wasn't that you and Elton? >> >ans she said: >> No, that was Kiki Dee, not Kicki Gee. And I was only 13 at the time.... >> >> /Kicki G > >Uh, yes... that was meant to be a joke... should I do this ;0) every time? > >:0) >Guy My reply was meant as a joke too..... ;-)) :-) :-D ;o) :o) /Elton John - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:52:02 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: [AVALON] Remaster Vs Remix or both Yesterday I bought a CD-version of an album that I used to like on vinyl in the 70's, before I realized that there were bands like Roxy. It was Deep Purple's "Machine Head" the anniversary version, released a double CD. CD one contains a remix of the complete album, CD two contains the remaster of the original mix. I must say that I was stunned to hear the remix. It was unbelievable to hear those original rock-classics like "Highway star" , "Smoke on the water" a.s.o. in this new mix. Using modern technology,the songs sound so fresh and new. I know it's A LOT OF WORK to remix original albums. I also presume that the original multitrack masters of the Roxy albums must be available. Why can't , let's say Manzanera do that job. He's the one in Roxy who seems to be most interested in the bands history. He's the one with the Roxy live archive. Wouldn't it have been wonderful to hear new fresh mixes of all those old albums?????? When Purple can do it, why can't Roxy do it? In my opinion that would not be milking us again , like all those compilaion album we "have to buy". This would be "new" to us, and the band would get more NOKs, GBPs, USDs, DEMs, SEKs, NLGs.......... Ole-Petter ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:53:37 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: [AVALON] Fjord pleasure Has everybody who were interested in the "Fjord Pleasure" -CD received their copy? Ole-Petter ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:18:47 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Kiki G/Kicki D >> > Kiki G wrote: >> > "My reply was meant as a joke too..... ;-)) :-) :-D ;o) :o) /Elton John" The thought did occur to me, but I thought I'd milk it for all it was worth anyway ;0) We'd better watch out, this might be displaying a "lack of musical maturity" or something analogous, and some Frank Zappa fan will slap our wrists. Let's move on and just *grow up*, people. I mean, really. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:28:57 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Remaster Vs Remix or both Ole-Petter wrote: >I know it's A LOT OF WORK to remix original albums. >I also presume that the original multitrack masters of the Roxy albums must be available. >Why can't , let's say Manzanera do that job. He's the one in Roxy who seems to be most interested in the bands history. He's the >one with the Roxy live archive. Inter alia, if there's anyone on this list that hasn't seen the Roxy Archive at Manzanera.com, I 'd say: go there today. It is better than any published book on the early days by far and a real labour of love. I found the Archive through finding the Avalon list and I'm so grateful that I did! >Wouldn't it have been wonderful to hear new fresh mixes of all those old albums?????? >When Purple can do it, why can't Roxy do it? It's an appealing idea, but can you really see BF handing the task over to *any* other person, even the esteemed Phil M? remember waht happened to the Velvets reunion; Lou R mixed the live album with his pal Mike, and John C had a hissy fit (OK, I'm simplifying terribly) and walked out of the project. Not quite the same situation, I know, but revisiting that wonderful old material and putting a new sonic spin on it... how could any 2 co-creators agree on the end result? The only answer (since I am now caught up in this fantasy!) would be for Ferry, Eno, Manzanera and Mackay each to do a remix job; we could then buy 4 new versions of each album in turn. I for one would happily do so. "In my dreams", however, as they say in the colonies. >This would be "new" to us, and the band would get more NOKs, GBPs, USDs, DEMs, SEKs, NLGs.......... >Ole-Petter Love those TLAs!! It took me a while to figure out what O-P meant there! X Guy PS: shouldn't be drummer-ist. Maybe Paul T should get the chance too :0) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:30:32 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Fjord pleasure Has everybody who were interested in the "Fjord Pleasure" -CD received their copy? Ole-Petter _Not yet, but I was slow in sending my cheque off to Simon G. Looking forward to hearing it muchly. I expect you were talking about your end of the CD-tree, O-P, but I had to stick my oar in anyway. And seeing that paris video. Am I right in thinking that the French show they're releasing pre-dates the arrival of Virginia Plain in the set? Shame if so. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:26:30 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live Aid At 13.05 +0200 0-10-21, nick williams wrote: >I liked the Live Aid performance. Asides from having >probably the most prestigious line up in live Ferry >history his voice sounded quite alright to me. I liked that show too, but please refresh my memory, who were backing him? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:36:18 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Horrid At 06.45 +0200 0-10-22, Guy Lawley wrote: >Howrd Devoto is another whose range is very limited, but boy does he >impress! Well, me anyway...! Yes, Magazine was a great band. I interviewed Mr Devoto in 1903 and he was a nice man. The New Music Express had called him "the most important man alive" and I asked him it felt. Answered that it didn't feel much. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:34:11 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid At 01.03 +0200 0-10-22, Mary Korfanty wrote: >Slave to Love was so appropriate for 91/2 wks. Rent it >you'll see what I mean. My fiance was a huge Duran Duran-fan. When she heard that one of the members, John Taylor I believe, had written a song for the soundtrack she saw the movie. She was unprepared for the context of it. I saw it at a theatre in the mid 80's, but like my friend Guy I don't remember "Slave to Love" from the soundtrack. I'll have to borrow it from my fiance. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:56:43 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid In a message dated 10/21/00 6:58:17 AM, kicki.gustafsson@op.se writes: << Singers who are too off key are not cool,they are not rock'n'roll, they are not interesting. They just can't sing. >> Hey! What about Lou Reed or Bob Dylan? Let alone the Shaggs... Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:07:05 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Live Aid In a message dated 10/21/00 8:13:45 AM, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: << So it comes as a relief that ATGB is effectively a live collection showing the full beauty of his voice. >> Several artists (Lou Reed, Elvis Costello, Nick Lowe, Tom Verlaine) who have gotten lost in the studio have found it refreshing to record quick "live in the studio" albums. I think (but am not sure) that ATGB is one of these. Were Our Man to come to me and say "Andrew, what should I do next?" I would say that he should take all the songs from Horoscope and the Dave Stweart project and any other odds and ends, and rerecord them all in a weekend. Let the rough edges show.... This was the technique Lou Reed used on "The Blue Mask", and except for the last track, it is a wonderful album. And it did Lou a world of good. Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:14:26 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: [AVALON] Hopelessly Devoto > Yes, Magazine was a great band. I interviewed Mr Devoto in 1903 and he was > a nice man. The New Music Express had called him "the most important man > alive" and I asked him it felt. Answered that it didn't feel much. > And we thought Ferry was getting old :) I LOVE Magazine, always felt they were kinda like a bitter Roxy Music. All of their albums still hold up well after 20 years, although Martin Hannett's production on "Murder, Magic. . ." is pretty murky. Maybe it could use a Machine Head remix. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:17:09 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] singing flat - --- > well you know i'm a big tom waits fan, and although he doesn't sing >"in tune", thats beside the point. But you're wrong to say he's not "in tune". His style is highly theatrical, highly mannered, and the voice is limited, but he isn't missing the notes. For out of tune, I suggest you try Sade, who - though I like her quite a lot - really can't hit a note - she's under it almost all the time live, and it can be a little embarrassing. And Ferry live does quite often come in flat. This is something quite apart from his perfrormance style. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:11:30 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon updated This might be hard to believe, but I have actually updated http://www.avalon.pp.se today! The 90th member profile, lovely Maria Efimova from Moscow. She shares her birthday with the Webmistress, March 19th! /Kicki G - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:34:57 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Horrid - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Yes, Magazine was a great band. I interviewed Mr Devoto in 1903 - ------------------------------------------- Wow! So *you're* the current owner of Dr Doom's time machine! (I had been wondering) The new magazine boxed set is fantastic... Peel sessions, just incredibly good!! That Roxy-ish sax and Eno-esque synth... the Roxy connection is *strong* in him, Luke. Feel the force! _ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:34:59 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom I saw it at a theatre in the mid 80's, but like my friend Guy I don't remember "Slave to Love" from the soundtrack. I'll have to borrow it from my fiance. Daniel - ---------------------------------------------- Tee-hee! I must re-iterate, I really haven't seen the flick. If I'm going to watch a sex movie, I'd rather something a little... earthier? Less polished? _ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:35:01 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Live Aid - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of AMeyersLD@aol.com Were Our Man to come to me and say "Andrew, what should I do next?" I would say that he should take all the songs from Horoscope and the Dave Stweart project and any other odds and ends, and rerecord them all in a weekend. Let the rough edges show.... - ------------------------------------------------------- Maybe get Nick Lowe to produce it. Remember his 1976 ethos? In the studio, "bang it down and tart it up later"; his very words, I believe. Not very Bryan Ferry, admittedly. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:35:03 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hopelessly Devoto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jim Rosencutter Subject: [AVALON] Hopelessly Devoto I LOVE Magazine, always felt they were kinda like a bitter Roxy Music. All of their albums still hold up well after 20 years, although Martin Hannett's production on "Murder, Magic. . ." is pretty murky. Maybe it could use a Machine Head remix. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------- The woodwork squeaks and out come the...... Magazine fans! I knew you were out there somewhere, mes freres!! You know, I hope, that Devoto and Pete Shelley have been writing new material together, and played a short set at the ICA recently? Damn, I wish I'd been there!! To many of us from the class of '76, this is real "Ferry & Eno back together" stuff!!!!!! NP: Song From Under The Floorboards PS: any Devoto net sites out there? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:12:15 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic : Hopelessly Devoto I always thought Shot By Both Sides was a nod to Both Ends Burning....but did the rest of their career live up to that magnesium flare debut ? Somewhere in the west wing I have the Spiral Scratch E.P, which is supposed to be worth a few bob these days. Berdum berdum ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:31:31 +0100 From: gardner@onmail.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_Avalon_updated?= ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:56:16 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic : Hopelessly Devoto Martin Stockman wrote: > > I always thought Shot By Both Sides was a nod to Both Ends Burning....but > did the rest of their career live up to that magnesium flare debut ? > To me, Magazine was a wonderful combination of musicianship, songwriting, lyrics and originality that is hard to find in a band. Highly underrated, at least here in the US. Barry Adamson's inventive bass playing (along with Jah Wobble) inspired me to trade in my Telecaster for a bass. John McGeoch's twisted guitar solo on "Permafrost" ranks up there with the Manzanera/Eno bit on Cale's "Gun." And Dave Formula's keyboards added to the post-punk drive of their sound rather than making them synth-poppy like, say, OMD. Devoto is a great lyricist. A lot of their songs cover the same heartbreak/love lost themes of Ferry/Roxy, yet unlike Ferry, Devoto puts the blame squarely on the other party: I Want To Burn Again, Rhythm of Cruelty, Give Me Everything, About the Weather. Other songs like Feed the Enemy, Motorcade, Definitive Gaze, Honeymoon Killers and the sublime Song from Under the Floorboards provide some of the greatest storytelling lyrics (IMHO) of the punk era. Newcomers to the band should check out the compilation "Rays and Hail." Sorry for the off-topic rant. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:59:46 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hopelessly Devoto Guy Lawley wrote: > The woodwork squeaks and out come the...... Magazine fans! > I knew you were out there somewhere, mes freres!! > > You know, I hope, that Devoto and Pete Shelley have been writing new > material together, and played a short set at the ICA recently? Damn, I wish > I'd been there!! To many of us from the class of '76, this is real "Ferry & > Eno back together" stuff!!!!!! > > NP: Song From Under The Floorboards > > PS: any Devoto net sites out there? > Hi, Guy, Nice to see other Magazine fans out there. Being stuck in Kansas, there's not much opportunity for me to discuss the band. Check out www.shotbybothsides.com, a great Magazine site. Here's another cool link, a video of Devoto-era Buzzcocks performing Breakdown: http://music.vidnet.com/perl/music/music_play.pl?buzzcocks2~~R~~~~0 ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:54:47 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: [AVALON] Hopeless Dave just downloaded mp3-file of david gahan's "song for europe"-cover. poor, very poor. almost incredible that you can kill that song, but he suceeds. was the "dream home heartaches"-tribute album a topic on the list when it was released? what are the other songs like? i found a tracklist, most of them are unknown to me (and i guess to most others) and what is it with john taylor and roxy? help!!!!! sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:57:15 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hopeless Dave that has to read: i found a tracklist, most of THE ARTISTS are unknown to me sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 14:05:22 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Horrid? Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 05:39:54 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Horrid >Tom Waits? Bob Dylan? John Lydon? > "They just can't sing." David, you took the word right out of my mouth! (Still don't like Waits much...) True they are not "singers' but they do impress within their "limited" range. Dylan was/is very powerful. So-so voice, but just look at his influence over the years. Byan was obviously impressed. John Lydon just sneered and spat but music was never the same after the Sex Pistols. Tom Waits sounds like a junkyard dog, but some of his songs have a lot of depth which in the hands of "better" singers transcend the songs. What's the saying, it's not the singer but the song? My 2 cents for the day Jas PS: Chicago Avalonians, Peter Murphy returns to Chicago Nov. 14. So who's going? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:40:12 +0100 From: "michael ferguson" Subject: [AVALON] Musicladen dvd - -Does anyone know where to buy the Roxy Music T Rex DVD Musicladen, best of, preferrably in the UK? Thanks Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:42:15 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon updated - again! The speed of my work is shocking even to me! I have now added the article about Bryan from The Independent in August (article section), and nine (9) reviews from Castle Howard to the review section. Don't miss the spectacular pictures of Bryan wearing Andrew Shearers shades! They (the pictures, not the shades) are at the beginning of the Castle Howard document. http://www.avalon.pp.se is where you'll find it. Kicki G - Webmistress - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:59:31 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Horrid At 17.39 +0200 0-10-22, Guy Lawley wrote: >Daniel Atterbom (Me): > >Yes, Magazine was a great band. I interviewed Mr Devoto in 1903 Guy Lawley: >Wow! So *you're* the current owner of Dr Doom's time machine! >(I had been wondering) Oops, it was 1983. Sorry. >The new magazine boxed set is fantastic... Peel sessions, just incredibly >good!! That Roxy-ish sax and Eno-esque synth... the Roxy connection is >*strong* in him, Luke. Feel the force! Yes, I'll have to buy them. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:03:28 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: Re: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:11:32 +0000 > From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home > > A duet with Jarvis Cocker would be quite nice, but I have to say that for > me, Pulp may well have surpassed their zenith. I think the best album was > "His 'n Hers", which, at times, struck me as quite roxyesque. I agree! I've never paid an awful lot of attention to either Different Class or This Is Hardcore, largely cos they didn't strike me as immediately as His & Hers. I especially love the track "She's a Lady" - very early Human League. Um, I can't really remember the other stuff on it. > "Different Class" was good, but too smooth and a bit like having the band > resting > on their laurels (especially the "I'm the cool observer of the class > structure" > lyrics, somebody you might know has done something comparable well before), > and This Is Hardcore did have only one real one climax: the title track. > They're a good band, certainly, and I like Jarvis' singing. A duet with > Bryan > would be good, so it wouldn't be only Bowie collaborating with the Placebos > etc. > of this world. Yes - although the Bowie/Placebo duet on "Without You I'm Nothing" was hardly worth the bother. It was just Bowie's voice shadowing Molko's. > And yet I'd also love a collaboration with Moloko - who appear to be Roxy > fans, > and remember their wonderful Roxy-like video for "Pure Pleasure Seeker"! - > or, > well, Liz Fraser, formerly of Cocteau Twins. At least, they both have don > "This Love". And both versions are unique and wonderful, aren't they? > Blablammm.... This is the thing - I think it would suit Ferry's persona better to duet with a woman, if only for balance with his so blatantly masculine image. Roisin of Moloko would be a good one, as she's not classically glamorous, but more of a contemporary mixture, and has an unusual voice. It would be a nice contrast with BF's old-fashioned voice. Just as long as BF doesn't do a Tom Jones and duet with everyone who happens to be fashionable that week, then I think we're OK ;-) Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:34:20 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: SV: [AVALON] Horrid .....and I thought I was the only one who still enjoyed that fantastic band! The 2 first albums were the best though. (+Play) Ole-Petter - ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Atterbom To: Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Horrid > At 17.39 +0200 0-10-22, Guy Lawley wrote: > >Daniel Atterbom (Me): > > > >Yes, Magazine was a great band. I interviewed Mr Devoto in 1903 > > Guy Lawley: > >Wow! So *you're* the current owner of Dr Doom's time machine! > >(I had been wondering) > > Oops, it was 1983. Sorry. > > >The new magazine boxed set is fantastic... Peel sessions, just incredibly > >good!! That Roxy-ish sax and Eno-esque synth... the Roxy connection is > >*strong* in him, Luke. Feel the force! > > Yes, I'll have to buy them. > > Daniel > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:45:57 +0200 From: "Martijn Gussekloo" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Musicladen dvd Tried the e-commerce websites such as www.amazon.co.uk or www.cdnow.com or www.proxis.be or well I don't know really, should be out there somewhere. martijn PS Don't know if this song was on the "tributes" album, but Robyn Hitchcock did a fairly good version of More than this, although I don't like the part in the middle where he gets very angry or very stoned or something like it. should be on napster i think. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:01:12 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now v Then Hi Colleen, good to read some of your remarks of ATGB as I had not been a member of the list then. I feel exactly the same about this record, the only exception is "I'm in the mood for love" as he was able to give this song a very personal style and sound (love the bandoneons and the extra french lyrics) and "When or when" for his simplicity. "Falling in love again" f.e. is a total misunderstood interpretation as it is far from being a romantic song. I think it's fresh and healthy to be critical; it proofs how much you take care of someone you like...it would never change or influence the general admiration for his music...today I am just missing the composer-side of our man. And if he wants to be more a singer rather than a composer I can at least expect good singing-qualitites (which I don't just count on notes but I agree with Kicki, if he lacks to hold a meldody or note it's just bad sung). ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:08:19 +0200 From: "Martijn Gussekloo" Subject: [AVALON] Doubts Can anyone recommend either PSALM or VALENTINE? Both have video's included, and I'd very much like to see the band on stage. Alas, I've got no tickets only doubts. martijn ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:35:26 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid I am pretty sure that John Lydon, Bob Dylan and Tom Waits don't see themselves as "singers" even if they sing. It could not be more existential for them to express themselves with their own voice, no matter if that's "good" in general singing standards. It's different when you are (or become) an interpreter and take "singing" and classical songs with great singing-lines seriously. Therefore I believe that Ferry's unique voice is much better placed within his own material. Cover-versions are nice but he should not overdo it. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:37:25 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Musicladen dvd Re Musikladen DVD I ordered it and got it from Amazon in the US. It's not directly available in the UK. Don't forget you will need a DVD player capable of playing US regioned DVD's. Incidentally the Musikladen material, previously released on video tape, is being repackaged and re-released in the US at the start of January next year. Do a search on Roxy Music at Amazon. I don't know the track listing, but I suspect this is a direct rebadging of the previous material, but I'd like to think it might include the other previously excluded tracks. It doesn't appear to be being released on DVD. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of michael ferguson Sent: 22 October 2000 20:40 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Musicladen dvd - -Does anyone know where to buy the Roxy Music T Rex DVD Musicladen, best of, preferrably in the UK? Thanks Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! 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