From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #377 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, October 21 2000 Volume 05 : Number 377 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Too much thinking's got me down again ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] Live Aid [nick williams ] Re: [AVALON] Horrid [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Horrid [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] Now v Then [nick williams ] [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_Horrid?= [gardner@onmail.co.uk] RE: [AVALON] Live Aid [Robert Whiteford ] [AVALON] Re: Live Aid [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid ["Heather James" ] [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] RE: [AVALON] Too much thinking's got me down again [Colleen Matan ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid ["Chris Turner" ] RE: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] band [mark thomas ] Fwd: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New ["David Kenning" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:50:57 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Too much thinking's got me down again It strikes me as wildly inaccurate to draw a line from Re-make/Re-model to September Song and conclude that he's gone from knocking out avante-garde rock to sentimental "covered' balads, as appears to be at least a subtext in the recent discourse. Indeed it would not be difficult to compile an album from (mostly early) 70s output that had an ATGB feel about it; numbers that would have felt entirely in keeping with the recent jaunt. Lets play around. 1. These Foolish Things 2. A Really Good Time 3. 2HB 4. You Go To My Head 5. Bitters End 6. Just Like You 7. Three and Nine 8. Chance Meeting 9. Help Me Make It Through The Night 10. Its Only Love 11. River of Salt 12. When She Walks In THe Room .. and post-Roxy avante-garde and/or guitar-orientated r'n'b. 1. I put a spell on you (esp. remixes) 2. Don't want to know 3. Sensation 4. Kiss and Tell 5. Mamouna 6. This Love 7. Rescue Me 8. New Town 9. Wildcat days 10. Limbo 11. The Chosen One 12. The Right Stuff Not too difficult eh ? If you're still trying to pigeon-hole then ask yourself this : Could you imgaine Limbo on Stranded ? Or a "Trowered" River Of Salt on Taxi ? Yes and Yes. Jocelyn's nails the lie most succinctly in her recent excellent post. The voice and attitude stand up to modern scrutiny. Its an enormous leap of faith to expect the teenage single-buying public to embrace the artistic complexities of a foppish 55 year old genius. It won't happen. Accept it. Unless there's a TV ad campaign using a new number he'll simply never enter their radar. The "artistic" reincarnation of evergreen (everyellow) Tom Jones - and his ilk - has all the charm of a freak show. His bug-eyed shouting is a million miles removed from Bryan, say, re-visiting Chance Encounter on the recent tour. The maestro wouldn't descend to prime-time self-parody. Clowntime never started. I, for one, could give a fig whether Bryan charts at Number 7 or 97. I know there are financial imperatives here and low sales might disincentivize him from re-entering the studio but I believe him when he says that he'll always feel the need to write and record. And Avalonions will always find a way to hear that material ... Regards Martino ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:15:54 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Too much thinking's got me down again (correction) > I, for one, could give a fig whether Bryan charts at Number 7 or 97... ..should read "couldn't give a fig" ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:04:22 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid What for are we comparing Ferry with Mariah Carey, does this make any sense? The ability of singing high notes isn't important - creativity is the key and that's where Ferry seems to lack these days, even within his cover-versions (he used to be more original there too!). I am not giving up hope that if he takes his time (if it's necessary another 5 years) he will come up with original material that might show him in a surprisingly fresh singing-ability that suits his experience and mood! There's no need to rush but I guess the company is pushing him due to the success of ATGB! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:19:23 +0100 From: Robert Whiteford Subject: RE: [AVALON] Too much thinking's got me down again Martins observations about songs that could have made ATGB from ages ago I think are correct, but the ATGB tracks were quite a radical departure from the polished within an inch of their lives studio efforts we've had since The Bride Stripped Bare. Emotion was back. I like all his music but too much of the same gets a bit much - and I couldn't imagine Day for Night or The Name of the Game on For Your Pleasure ! cheers Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:27:16 +0100 From: Robert Whiteford Subject: RE: [AVALON] Horrid Because somebody said he couldn't hit high notes anymore. And I was saying that he sings better than ever but agreeing with you that one way or another accuracy or lack of it never detracted from his appeal, unlike Mariah who doesn't have any appeal outside of the overblown seven octave grand ballads, which are desperately boring. - -----Original Message----- From: Julialiva@aol.com [SMTP:Julialiva@aol.com] Sent: 21 October 2000 11:04 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid What for are we comparing Ferry with Mariah Carey, does this make any sense? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: nick williams Subject: [AVALON] Live Aid His voice has never been better to my ears - > listen to Live Aid and old live appearences - his appeal never lay in a > Mariah Carey ability to hit high notes. > I liked the Live Aid performance. Asides from having probably the most prestigious line up in live Ferry history his voice sounded quite alright to me. There was a powerful emotional quality expressed in Sensation and Boys & Girls that appeared to get lost beneath the sheen of the B&G album. A pity that Ferry never toured that album. The over-polished criticism (the only time that I think Ferry has been guilty of it) is one that can be aimed at most of that particular album. The exception is Don't Stop The Dance, which is sheer perfection. So cool. Always wondered if Rhett Davies deserved more credit for that particular gem than Bryan. Well you're always suspicious as to the actual input on a Ferry co-write (The Right Stuff being an obvious example). Nick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:47:18 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid > Kiki G wrote: > >>Hush now, before you'll know it they'll be climbing the charts with a duet! >>Probably a cover, probably sometinhg like "Don't go breaking my heart" > >Hmmm... wasn't that you and Elton? No, that was Kiki Dee, not Kicki Gee. And I was only 13 at the time.... /Kicki G - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:50:09 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid >What for are we comparing Ferry with Mariah Carey, does this make any sense? >The ability of singing high notes isn't important Nom, maybe not, but if you can't reach those notes, please, don't choose songs that are scattered with them! Singers who are too off key are not cool,they are not rock'n'roll, they are not interesting. They just can't sing. /Kicki G - ------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: nick williams Subject: [AVALON] Now v Then Excellent post Martin. Somebody said last week that Don't Want To Know was the modern Remake-Remodel. The same is true of New Town, NYC and Wildcat Days, all modern versions of Street Life. Sea Breezes and Mamouna are similar in theme and the noir theme has also been maintained (2HB and Chance Meeting v The Only Face and The 39 Steps). We could of course make endless comparisons between themes of lost love and isolation. Point being that, despite the popular notion, Ferry hasn't changed that much and those aspects that have been changed should be celebrated rather than criticised (modern groove and greater subtlety). They were necessary changes. We can't all run for the poisoned pen and say that As Time Goes By is Ferry's retreat into a comfort zone. After all he could have taken this path years ago. The voyage towards self-discovery and perfection is nearly always evident in Bryan's work and so perhaps ATGB was a voyage of self-discovery as well. Perhaps he wanted to prove himself vocally rather than musically on this occasion because most people thought that these classics were beyond his range. It was maybe one of the few things that he felt he had left to prove. Nick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:18:28 +0100 From: gardner@onmail.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_Horrid?= ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:57:30 +0100 From: Robert Whiteford Subject: RE: [AVALON] Live Aid Strangely enough the highly polished Boys and Girls is my favourite Ferry album. But Flesh & Blood was polished, so was Avalon, so was Taxi and so was Mamouna. And Bete Noire was over produced and badly mixed. I've heard Ferry say (internet chat) he would like to remix Limbo. So it comes as a relief that ATGB is effectively a live collection showing the full beauty of his voice. And I've heard people who've been to Roxy / Ferry concerts since they started saying that even though it has no stars this band is the best Ferry has ever put together (including Roxy). I've seen shows as far back as the Limbo tour and agree that this is the best band yet. He's evolving and once again getting better...... Cheers Rob [] Nick writes : I liked the Live Aid performance. Asides from having probably the most prestigious line up in live Ferry history his voice sounded quite alright to me. There was a powerful emotional quality expressed in Sensation and Boys & Girls that appeared to get lost beneath the sheen of the B&G album. A pity that Ferry never toured that album. The over-polished criticism (the only time that I think Ferry has been guilty of it) is one that can be aimed at most of that particular album. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:09:07 +0100 From: "organism-001" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Too much thinking's got me down again Martin wrote, amongst a lot of other erudite stuff: >Clowntime never started. > > I, for one, could give a fig whether Bryan charts at Number 7 or 97. I know > there are financial imperatives here and low sales might disincentivize him > from re-entering the studio > > Martino > ...and I say: absolutamente!! (Probably not) the last word on this subject? (for now) Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:13:38 +0100 From: "organism-001" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Kiki G/Kicki D > > Kiki G wrote: > > > >>Hush now, before you'll know it they'll be climbing the charts with a duet! > >>Probably a cover, probably sometinhg like "Don't go breaking my heart" > > and I replied: > >Hmmm... wasn't that you and Elton? > ans she said: > No, that was Kiki Dee, not Kicki Gee. And I was only 13 at the time.... > > /Kicki G Uh, yes... that was meant to be a joke... should I do this ;0) every time? :0) Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:28:32 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid Live Aid is where most Americans first saw Ferry. That is how I got hooked, Oh I had heard his music but to see him, he wasn't just a singer he was a fabulous performer. Here in the states on Live Aid we saw him do" Love is the Drug", & one other . He was so cool , having a good time. Everyone watching that segment all said, "I want to see that guy if he ever tours over here" He did we did. Marlana............................ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:02:03 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid Speak for yourself, Mary ... but not for me and a lot of my Americanm friends. I first saw Ferry on the Siren's Tour .. and Manifesto, and one of the Avalon (and on and on) Tours ... Live Aid came MUCH later ...            -= )-(eather =-      >--------------------<       hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Mary Korfanty > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:29 AM > To: Avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid > > > Live Aid is where most Americans first saw Ferry. That is how I got > hooked, Oh I had heard his music but to see him, he wasn't just a singer > he was a fabulous performer. Here in the states on Live Aid we saw him > do" Love is the Drug", & one other . He was so cool , having a good > time. Everyone watching that segment all said, "I want to see that guy > if he ever tours over here" He did we did. > Marlana............................ > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:45:36 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home Robert Whiteford made my day: > Well after Castle Howard Richard Swift was saying a "big" duet was in the > pipeline. > > My money's on Jarvis Cocker. Mind you I haven't got much money. let's pray! the last two pulp albums were just perfect - the roxy music of the nineties. great feelings, witty lyrics, pathos,.... in my opinion "this is hardcore" is the "dream home heartache" of our time. also a jarvis cocker would do our man better than some dave stewart. cheers, sebastian n.p. pulp - different class "if fashion is your trade, then when you're naked, i guess you must be unemployed ..." ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:48:40 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] To borrow a phrase... ...from David Bowie, "I see you still have an overdeveloped sense of rumour, Russell" Well, Mr Harty may have shuffled off this mortal coil but I see that the glamour of gossip hasn't lost its lustre...I know nothing for certain, but I don't believe that BF has 'lost' the ability to write or even the desire. Although I think we all agree the work rate has slowed down since 1973. But I have heard rumours that BF has had an easier time getting covers released than his own material. This didn't make me think that he was necessarily wracked with self-doubt although I would believe wholesale that he likes to hone material until the production satisfies his unbelievably high standards. It is possible that he gets better promotion if he delivers cover versions and, like many on the list, I love the way he covers songs (standard and otherwise). But obviously many of us (including myself) got here by first learning of his original material and falling for the mind/heart that beat behind it. (By the way, Rod Stewart still delivers the occasional reinterpretation of a song that makes you stop and wonder how it came from the same man that stares back at us from the tabloid pages. But not noticeably on the When We Were The New Boys set, I'll grant you.) Like many on the list, especially the silent ones, I like to see what views are aired and countered. But we are going to have to wait and see what happens next in The Bryan Ferry Story. I've checked the "Rex Balfour" edition and it just doesn't cover up this far. Whatever Bryan eventually decides, I think we know it'll be done with panache. Richard Mills n/p: Siren (After all the talk, I just had to revisit it and see what I think in the year 2000. Despite having two of the strongest singles, it is a bit weak in places, isn't it? But what the hell, I bought it on the day it was first released and the songs still hold such nuances for me. It's not long before I find myself weaving round the room in mock-Ferry mode as in days of yore. Even on She Sells, which is one of my favourites on the album. Must find a copy of Trampled Underfoot as I must confess that my undoing on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire one day will be when they ask a Led Zep question.) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:11:32 +0000 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home A duet with Jarvis Cocker would be quite nice, but I have to say that for me, Pulp may well have surpassed their zenith. I think the best album was "His 'n Hers", which, at times, struck me as quite roxyesque. "Different Class" was good, but too smooth and a bit like having the band resting on their laurels (especially the "I'm the cool observer of the class structure" lyrics, somebody you might know has done something comparable well before), and This Is Hardcore did have only one real one climax: the title track. They're a good band, certainly, and I like Jarvis' singing. A duet with Bryan would be good, so it wouldn't be only Bowie collaborating with the Placebos etc. of this world. And yet I'd also love a collaboration with Moloko - who appear to be Roxy fans, and remember their wonderful Roxy-like video for "Pure Pleasure Seeker"! - or, well, Liz Fraser, formerly of Cocteau Twins. At least, they both have don "This Love". And both versions are unique and wonderful, aren't they? Blablammm.... Christian >Von: "Sebastian Fasthuber" >An: >Betreff: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home >Datum: Sam, 21. Okt 2000 16:45 Uhr > >Robert Whiteford made my day: >> Well after Castle Howard Richard Swift was saying a "big" duet was in the >> pipeline. >> > My money's on Jarvis Cocker. Mind you I haven't got much money. > >let's pray! >the last two pulp albums were just perfect - the roxy >music of the nineties. >great feelings, witty lyrics, pathos,.... in my opinion >"this is hardcore" is the "dream home heartache" of >our time. >also a jarvis cocker would do our man better than >some dave stewart. > >cheers, >sebastian > >n.p. pulp - different class >"if fashion is your trade, >then when you're naked, >i guess you must be unemployed ..." > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:42:48 +0200 From: "Martijn Gussekloo" Subject: Re: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home How about mr. Ferry and Soulwax? Both have the same magnificently stylish way of dressing. And they sing pretty good too. :) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:56:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now v Then Well, since everyone has killfiled me, I suppose I oughtn't be afraid to have my say. On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, nick williams wrote: > isolation. Point being that, despite the popular > notion, Ferry hasn't changed that much and those > aspects that have been changed should be celebrated > rather than criticised (modern groove and greater > subtlety). They were necessary changes. Why were they "necessary changes?" > We can't all run for the poisoned pen and say that As > Time Goes By is Ferry's retreat into a comfort zone. Surely it is "run[ning] for the poisoned pen?" only if you feel it is impossible to express a critical thought without it being _ipso facto_ an unfounded attack? There are songs on _As Time Goes By_ which are note-for-note remakes of the original versions and it is possible to be disappointed by the album for precisely that reason. When the album first came out I wrote (in part [and can I say how entertaining it was to read the archives from this time last year]): > And as much as it pains me to say it, that is how I feel about this > album--with the exception of "I'm In The Mood For Love," which it > frightens me to admit I am warming to. What you might see as > "occasionally irritating humor" (and trust me, it pains me to have to > disagree with Bahi) I see as one of the cornerstones of what was authentic > in that era. What is left is a record with a setting which looks > authentic, but is really just another reproduction. And not even one > which strives to be a good one. Vulnerability, innocence, etc.--those are > things which are near and dear to me, and a large part of my own being as > well. And those are some of the things I feel have been stripped from > these songs. I hear it not as sincerity--although I have been trying to > do so--but as earnestness, which is so antithetical to the material at > hand. And that is what deflates the illusion for me. "We are the hollow > men/We are the stuffed men/Leaning together/Headpiece filled with straw. > Alas!/Our dried voices, when We whisper together/Are quiet and > meaningless." The album is a disappointment to me in its blandness and flat emotion (although I'd add "Where or When" to the list of songs I have warmed to on it). > ATGB was a voyage of self-discovery as well. Perhaps > he wanted to prove himself vocally rather than > musically on this occasion because most people thought > that these classics were beyond his range. It was > maybe one of the few things that he felt he had left > to prove. Perhaps it was--and it's impossible to know if it was some sort of challenge to himself--but I'm not quite sure how these songs presented such an insurmountable challenge and frankly I'm underwhelmed by his singing on the album. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Too much thinking's got me down again On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Robert Whiteford wrote: > Martins observations about songs that could have made ATGB from ages > ago I think are correct, but the ATGB tracks were quite a radical > departure from the polished within an inch of their lives studio > efforts we've had since The Bride Stripped Bare. Emotion was back. When had emotion left the post-_Bride_ work? "Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" "The Only Face?" "To Turn You On?" "Your Painted Smile?" "Boys and Girls?" the absolutely devastating "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" These are songs without emotion? Without longing? desire? yearning? love? Help me, please. (For that matter, that one too) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:14:23 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid I was speaking for myself, & I said ( most Americans ). Ferry , wasn't your common known singer you heard on the airwaves every day.That didn't happen until the dear old movie 91/2 wks. came out with the song Slave to Love in it. Marlana......................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 06:47:32 +0930 From: Glen Lehman Subject: [AVALON] Limbo/FYP Rob-Mr Ferry has stated that Bete Noir revisits themes from For Your Pleasure (the film clip says as much). I can see Martin's point about Limbo fitting in with themes on FYP. Perhaps, Martin you might care to share some of your thoughts on the literary links with some of the other songs on Beté Noir. many thanks Dr Glen Lehman. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:42:44 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid If I'm not mistaken Live Aid was 1982. Avalon also came out that yr. I believe AtAp , in 84. Stranded , in 73,BSB in78. Manifesto about 79. Siren was recorded in London in 75 . Eg records for USA 1984.Country Life 84. Heart Still Beating 90. So on & so on . Marlana........ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:51:54 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid You are mistaken, I'm afraid. Live Aid was 13th July 1985, just after B&G was released and long after Avalon. ATAP was 74 not 84. Other that that, you are correct about the dates. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Mary Korfanty Sent: 21 October 2000 22:43 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid If I'm not mistaken Live Aid was 1982. Avalon also came out that yr. I believe AtAp , in 84. Stranded , in 73,BSB in78. Manifesto about 79. Siren was recorded in London in 75 . Eg records for USA 1984.Country Life 84. Heart Still Beating 90. So on & so on . Marlana........ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:07:35 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] hardcore in my dream home Sebastian wrote re: Pulp: - the roxy music of the nineties. great feelings, witty lyrics, pathos,.... in my opinion "this is hardcore" is the "dream home heartache" of our time. And I would add: and they got Chris Thomas to produce as soon as they could afford him! Didn't Pulp's sound pick up to the power of n when they hooked up with him? Wonder why he was Jarvis' choice? Hmm... If remember rightly, he was George Martin/Sgt.Pepper alumnus, wasn't he? Which might have been why Ferry went for him back in '73...? Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:16:06 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid "I was speaking for myself, & I said ( most Americans ). Ferry , wasn't your common known singer you heard on the airwaves every day.That didn't happen until the dear old movie 91/2 wks. came out with the song Slave to Love in it. Marlana........................................................." Interesting to know that Live Aid did Mr Ferry's reputation/profile so much good in the USA. At the time the whole concept of Live Aid was criticised from some quarters as a cynical exercise in free publicity for the artists concerned. Cynical or not (or 50:50, who knows?) I have to say I'm pleased if it did our man some good in the US market. And I never knew that Slave To Love was in 9 1/2 weeks! I must have been concentrating on something else when that part of the soundtrack played :0) (Actually I've never seen it. Truly.) Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:19:11 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid Thanks Chris for info. I did mean to type 1974 not 84. Yes , B&G in 85 & Bete Noire 87. Please help me on this-------Did Your Painted Smile only have four cuts on it? I ask because I have one recorded live in Glasgow 1988. Marlana.... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:58:54 -0700 From: mark thomas Subject: [AVALON] band i am a bassist and would like to know if anyone my be interested in forming a R.M./B.F. tribute band in the sf, ca. bay area. if so feel free to contact me for more info. m.t. (aka m.tumynski) m.tumynski http://home.earthlink.net/~gotbass {viewable w/ Netscape Navigator only} ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:59:27 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: Fwd: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid - --WebTV-Mail-5190-458 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I feel it helped Ferry in USA. The Live Aid here in my part of the country was a venue that most people welcomed. It gave us the opportunity to see someone such as Ferry that you just don't see everyday. --------Slave to Love was so appropriate for 91/2 wks. Rent it you'll see what I mean. Marlana................................................ - --WebTV-Mail-5190-458 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-6.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-6.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 61D5C1A0; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: marlanak@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [216.200.102.14]) by smtpin-102-6.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 541BC17C for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id SAA23431; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:15:15 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id SAA23388 for avalon-outgoing; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gourd.sout.netline.net.uk (gourd.sout.netline.net.uk [213.40.2.14]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id SAA23384 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.40.8.220] (helo=oemcomputer) by gourd.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13n6uY-00035o-00 for avalon@smoe.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:14:43 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" To: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Live Aid Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:16:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <25378-39F2072F-2443@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Precedence: bulk "I was speaking for myself, & I said ( most Americans ). Ferry , wasn't your common known singer you heard on the airwaves every day.That didn't happen until the dear old movie 91/2 wks. came out with the song Slave to Love in it. Marlana........................................................." Interesting to know that Live Aid did Mr Ferry's reputation/profile so much good in the USA. At the time the whole concept of Live Aid was criticised from some quarters as a cynical exercise in free publicity for the artists concerned. Cynical or not (or 50:50, who knows?) I have to say I'm pleased if it did our man some good in the US market. And I never knew that Slave To Love was in 9 1/2 weeks! I must have been concentrating on something else when that part of the soundtrack played :0) (Actually I've never seen it. Truly.) Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - --WebTV-Mail-5190-458-- ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:12:02 +0100 From: "David Kenning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New > Go read the archives written > before. If only I had time. --------Ferry , will never, become a quote"Blondie". I sincerely hope not, and that is really the point I was trying to make. Blondie were fresh and exciting in their time, and many of the songs still sound fresh today, but their newest stuff is tired and hackneyed. You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run. It's a valuable lesson that too many "rock stars" never learn. > The man can sing, & yes he wrote wonderful > lyrics. I for one would love to hear some of those wonderful lyrics once > again. Marlana................ I'm sure we all would, but *if* it is the case that, as has been suggested, he has "lost it" I would rather he didn't tarnish his reputation by bringing out substandard new material. I don't believe that he would do that anyway -- after all, if he needs to make a living he can continue to produce wonderful records like ATGB. david ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #377 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest