From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #376 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, October 21 2000 Volume 05 : Number 376 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Horrid ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Horrid [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Old & New (Rant) [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New ["David Kenning" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] Re; Old & New [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New (Rant) [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Guitar Transcriptions [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Horrid ["organism-001" ] RE: [AVALON] Horrid [Robert Whiteford ] [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_Horrid?= [gardner@onmail.co.uk] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:40:25 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Horrid If Bryan ever, and I mean EVER sang like the smug little woodland creature that is Mariah Carey I would have to think about delivering a weighty knock to put some sense in to him! There are very few artists I hate with a passion, but Ms Carey is one, and funnily enough, Rod Stewart and Tom Jones aren't far behind, but at least they have some decent back catalogue that could redeem them. SimonG A thought - if Bryan is the epitome of cool, then Mariah is the epitome of smug! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:56:58 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid Simon G wrote: >If Bryan ever, and I mean EVER sang like the smug little woodland creature >that is Mariah Carey I would have to think about delivering a weighty >knock to put some sense in to him! There are very few artists I hate with >a passion, but Ms Carey is one Hush now, before you'll know it they'll be climbing the charts with a duet! Probably a cover, probably sometinhg like "Don't go breaking my heart" :-))) /Kicki G (yes, she's still alive!) - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, webansvarig Östersunds-Postens redaktion 063-161659 http://www.op.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:34:32 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Old & New (Rant) Marlana wrote: >Sade. You haven't forgotten her & then she's back singing better than ever. Sade preformed at the Mobo awards and she was as flat as a fluke - if that's singing better than ever gawd help us all. >You can't help but notice the strain of his voice on some of his latest tours. Ferry's voice got better and better during the tour. Granted it was a bit ropey at the beginning, but it hadn't been in full training for years. I don't think I've heard him in finer fettle than he is right now and I never thought of him as a singer more an intoner, but listen to some of the songs on the recent tour notably Where or When and The Only Face and I'm sorry he has now become a "singer" in the classic sense. >Now I love the man but I'm beginning to really wonder what lies in store in the future. I personally think the future's never been rosier on the Ferry front. There seems to be an inordinate amount of product in the can. Whether it's finished original material or covers remains to be seen, but I think we could be in for a bumper 2001. I love the way we all jump to conclusions that he has writer's block, "hasn't written a decent toon in years" etc etc. We seem to forget that Ferry is a man wracked with self doubt, convinced he can't do it anymore either on stage or off. He thrives on positive feedback (and not of the sycophantic you're wonderful Bryan variety). We all saw it with our own eyes during the long protracted tour. His confidence bloomed, he rushed back to the studio on a high with "live" musicians and recorded. Maybe he wrote too? Granted I think his emphasis on the lyrical content of his material has gone by the wayside since the heyday conundrums of Mother of Pearl etc, but I for one still believe he can produce the goods. Yes he's older, his voice has changed. The world changes, we've changed. What a bloody boring place it would be if we just regurgitated the same old scene endlessly. So what is it that we want from the man? New original material? We'll get it. Classic hit singles? His record company seem to think he's got some amongst his new material. Dying to hear them. A tour? He's just completed a marathon one and still after the Moscow weirdness he was asking Sacha the promoter if there were any good venues to play in Kiev! He's on a roll and he feels like he can do it again (some days). A bit of encouragement from his record company, a lot of cajoling from his management team and the confidence of his public and I truly believe we'll get what we want. And if we don't, I'll be the first to complain! Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:47:26 +0000 From: "C.H.Stemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New My statement is mainly based on two points: first, the facticity of Bryan's recorded output, which, to me, indicates a predominance of re-interpretations over original material in recent years. I cannot make any judgements regarding the UNRELEASED material written by him, for obvious reasons (please feel free to send me the outtakes, haha). Second, there are several statements by BF himself suggesting he regards re-interpretaions as a good alternative. The early Roxy remain unsurpassed for me, and yet I can understand him not wanting to rehash his former way of writing and composing. You might as well disagree, of course. But here I find it interesting to take into account what Robert Fripp has said about people not liking the new incarnation of King Crimson: they should feel free to move on. Yes, there's no obligation for anyone to buy Ferry's records - but I'm sure he'll always come up with something interesting. Christian P.S.: How bizarre - just having to listen to my neighbour playing Mariah Carey's version of Phil C**lins' "Against All Odds". Shows that a range of hundred octaves doesn't help if you don't know how to do something interested with it. - ---------- >Von: Colleen Matan >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New >Datum: Don, 19. Okt 2000 21:32 Uhr > > > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, C.H.S[ISO-8859-1] ötemann wrote: > >> I wouldn't consider ATGB as the best post-Roxy album (in my mind, this >> has to be Mamouna), but as I have stated before, I assume that, more >> or less, Bryan's now more a singer than a songwriter. Don't get me > >What do you base this statement on? He's been writing lots of stuff--he >just can't get it released. As, uh, interesting as his singing has been, >it's his songwriting which has always been his standout talent. > >> But I'd prefer more re-interpretations than nothing at all. One >> shouldn't forget how innovative his cover versions are and have >> been. No, he'll never turn into Rod Sewart, I'm certain. And his > >Another album like _As Time Goes By_ and he'll definitely be in the >running. > >Colleen > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:24:43 +0100 From: "David Kenning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New > one has to also realize he has > hit a writers block. That is very much evident . He hasn't released New > Written Material. Rather no new material than keep churning out stale sub-standard dirges, as many other formerly successful artists have done, tarnishing their past glories in the process -- for a recent example, look at Blondie. Is that what you want Bryan Ferry to become? david ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:05:49 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New Over & over after each concert of Ferry's we'd hear how good & how he didn't hit on target once in a while. Go read the archives written before. --------Ferry , will never, become a quote"Blondie". His past is what got most of us loving his music."We liked it". Now with the Nostalgia ballads he does so well . His voice is well suited for these, he likes this music, he said himself he always wanted to do a album like ATGB. With this one he picked up even a few more followers. And I'm sure he'll do another one as there is so much material his voice is suited for when he croons a ballad. The man can sing, & yes he wrote wonderful lyrics. I for one would love to hear some of those wonderful lyrics once again. Marlana................ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:39:35 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re; Old & New Oh, Christian having to listen to a neighbors Mariah Carey! Can you go cut the wiring to pull the plug? You might have to get earplugs.-------- It's so nice we can all agree to disagree-------- Jos, I've seen "Sade" & she was great. You might not like her style but wait till you hear the new material. IMO she keeps reinventing herself. And that is what our Bryan has done with, ATGB. When I listen to the older Ferry material I for one long for the backup vocals that were so good in the likes of Yanick Etenne, Michelle Cobb & Ednah Holt. Their range & how they meshed with Bryan was wonderful. ____Yes , its true we change & life goes forward but that doesn't change the fact we remember the past with great memories of what was once part of us. Marlana........................... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:22:02 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Old & New (Rant) Quite right, Jocelyn. Really, we know next to nothing about Bryan Ferry, his work and career posturing. If mum's the word, then that is the way it is. We simply must exercise patience. No amount of speculation, on our part, will alter the course, style or timing of Ferry releases. I'm not asking too much - I'll wait, confident that Mr. Ferry will release something old, something new, something borrowed, and something blue. And all of it will be something surprising and good! So send your white-light, say your prayers, keep the faith, for BF is only human (albeit a very gifted one). Good will, and patience, will be rewarded. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:24:14 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Guitar Transcriptions In a message dated 19/10/00 21:39:20 GMT Daylight Time, gusart@bigfoot.com writes: << Also, a bit less futile, does anyone know if there were any decent transcriptions made of RM/BF songs for guitar? >> There is a book called Bryan Ferry Compilation which the transcriptions are done as rock scores with every part from the multitrack transcribed note for note. The songs are Virginia Plain, Street Life, Love Is The Drug Dance Away, Oh Yeah, Same Old Scene, More Than This, Avalon, Slave To Love & Kiss And Tell. The book is quite expensive for 10 songs at around £20 but it is the most accurately transcribed of all the Roxy/Ferry music in print that I have seen. Regards John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:57:08 +0100 From: "organism-001" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid Kiki G wrote: >Hush now, before you'll know it they'll be climbing the charts with a duet! >Probably a cover, probably sometinhg like "Don't go breaking my heart" Hmmm... wasn't that you and Elton? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:34:23 +0100 From: Robert Whiteford Subject: RE: [AVALON] Horrid Well after Castle Howard Richard Swift was saying a "big" duet was in the pipeline. My money's on Jarvis Cocker. Mind you I haven't got much money. I was listening to Sonnet 18 tonight. Doesn't sound like a man who can't reach high notes to me. Ladytron in 72 yes, Sonnet in 1999 no. As someone earlier said, you don't HAVE to be note perfect, you have to be interesting. And the Cool Ruler is definitely that. If Ferry had done the current set in 1988 (or released ATGB in 1988) the mind boggles at the acclaim he would have received. As it is , despite no top ten hits in 15 years , he still sells albums by the bucket load and sells out concert after concert. And that's because he's quality through and through. Reinvention from scratch every few years. Roll on the next album, no delays PLEASE. Cheers Rob - -----Original Message----- From: organism-001 [SMTP:organism-001@supanet.com] Sent: 20 October 2000 20:57 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horrid Kiki G wrote: >Hush now, before you'll know it they'll be climbing the charts with a duet! >Probably a cover, probably sometinhg like "Don't go breaking my heart" ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:32:18 +0100 From: gardner@onmail.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BAVALON=5D_Horrid?= ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! 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