From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #334 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, September 13 2000 Volume 05 : Number 334 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] It's a plastic world babe [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Different coloured Siren covers [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Theories ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] What's ROXY??? ["Ferdinand Biesheuvel" ] Re: [AVALON] What's ROXY??? ["Alex" ] Re: [AVALON] Hard rain a-gonna fall ["Frank Herrebout" > No vast topic, absolutely true! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:41:16 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Different coloured Siren covers i was the winner of this auction and i am just waiting on delivery of the album. I'll let you know all about it when I get it. Antony Price said once in an interview that the album was originaly going to have a greenish tint so this may be original artwork Regards J.O'B. In a message dated Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:23:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Measures (roaming access address)" writes: << Hi there from a long time lurker just returned to these (UK) shores from working in South America. Im sure some of you officianados will know the origins of a version of the Siren album produced with yellow as the background colour as opposed to the normally seen blue. This is currently up for auction on Ebay and is generating quite a lot of interest, currently up to £60 and rising. Is it that rare. Answers on a postcard to this list please !! Chris Measures Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:55:14 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Theories The recent post about Bryan recording some music for the film of Richard III has triggered a series of thoughts. It is said that it was whilst working on this number - which you may recall never made it on to the movie or any subsequent soundtrack - he met the genial ivory tinkler Colin Good. Now I've posted a few times about how the production and arrangement of I'm In The Mood For Love sounds lusher and more complex than the rest of ATGB. Indeed the other tracks have quite a live, underproduced feel, so much so that when one hears the Toronto or Golders Green concerts one could be almost be hearing the album. And of course, despite its critical aclaim, IITMFL was never attempted on stage. So. Theory one. Bry met Colin for Rich 3 soundtrack, laid down IITMFL, liked one another and plotted ATGB. Now. Part deux. (And this is where my conjecture goes from bad to weird.) Alice Retif, apparently a French girl working adjacent to Ferry's studios in West Kensington, gets the call to read out some Rimbaud - or was it Beaudelaire - as a kind of sample over IITMFL's outro. The effect is electric. A few years later as the Maestro releases yet another compilation album we are treated to a new bonus track : the equally haunting and, to my shell-likes, curiously similar feel of This Love. Complete with, I suspect, Alice knocking out another poem in her husky gallic brogue. Could they have been "canvases laid against the studio wall" from the same period. (This is where I really lose the plot.) Did I read somewhere in these pages that Thom Yorke had been working with our Cool Ruler, possibly two or three years ago. Around the same time. Is not the obscure and haunting ancient instrument Ondes Martenot a feature of IITMFL ? And is not the same obscure and ancient instrument a central feature of Radiohead's acclaimed forthcoming album Kid A ? Can anyone fill in any gaps ? Or shal I get back to working on the JFK assasination ... Martenot ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:28:14 +0200 From: "Ferdinand Biesheuvel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's ROXY??? My doughter! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: [AVALON] What's ROXY??? > Hello, > > >No wonder > > he chose the name "Roxy" for the band. > > Oh, please, please, explain the meaning of the word 'Roxy' to a poor > Russian!!! I like Fitzgerald and I do agree that he influenced Mr Ferry. But > my English is so poor and in my dictionary there's no entry for 'Roxy' :( > > TIA, > Alex > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:24:48 +0400 From: "Alex" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's ROXY??? Dear Sir, In answer to my question: > > Oh, please, please, explain the meaning of the word 'Roxy' You wrote: > My doughter! I'm awfully sorry, but what exactly do you mean? TIA, Alex ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:41:08 +0200 From: "Frank Herrebout" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hard rain a-gonna fall I share your opinion. If you would give it a name it should be pre post-modernistic though. Frank. - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Alex Aan: avalon@smoe.org Datum: dinsdag 12 september 2000 8:29 Onderwerp: [AVALON] Hard rain a-gonna fall >Hello, > >I'm relatively new to Mr Ferry and so I can be incorect, but I have to say >that I perceive 'Hard Rain A-Gonna fall' in his version as a parody only. I >should say that I like 'These Foolish Things ' exactly for that: the entire >disk being a collection of parodies. Oh..., well, not exactly parodies, but >anyway Mr Ferry on that album, IMHO, demonstrated a post-modernistic >approach to the rock music. >Am I right? > >TIA, >Alex > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:50:48 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's ROXY??? Roxy is nothing more than a common name for filmtheatres. Like Odeon, Parisien, Rex, Luxor, Plaza. The name Roxy was chosen because of the association with the glamour of the cinema in the fifties and sixties. Do you have the same sort of names fore filmtheatres in Russia? Han > Oh, please, please, explain the meaning of the word 'Roxy' to a poor > Russian!!! I like Fitzgerald and I do agree that he influenced Mr Ferry. But > my English is so poor and in my dictionary there's no entry for 'Roxy' :( > > TIA, > Alex ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:09:40 +0100 From: "organism-001" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Translated back from the German > > > And for goodness sake don't apologise...! > > I'm sorry, won't do that again And for my part, I'm extremely sorry I ever raised the question of apologising ! As the Monty Python line has it, "Honestly, I'm so f*cking sorry!" About the German translation thing... I know it's literal, but I've always thought the meaning might be "Stranded *between* life and art......." (zwischen just wouldn't scan). I like your version very much, Hans, but Ferry seems very attached to the word "stranded", nicht wahr?!? Your pal The Organism ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:12:08 +0100 From: "organism-001" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Well this is such a sad affair > > In the eighties there was a televisionevening for Greenpeace to collect > money, Ferry was one of the many artists to perform one or two songs. In an > article in a Greenpeace magazine there was a picture of Ferry at the > rainbowwarrior with the remark that he was the only performing artist that > visited the ship. > I remember the long strikes in the eighties against the closing of the > mines. Ferry was asked several times to do a charity concert to support the > strikes but he refused. I remember that his remarks about Tatcher were made > in those days. > > Han > > There is of course a huge amount of strong feeling about environmental issues across all political divides, including from those who have no "conventional" political allegiance at all. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:37:55 +0100 From: "organism-001" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hard rain a-gonna fall Alex wrote: > > I'm relatively new to Mr Ferry and so I can be incorect, but I have to say > that I perceive 'Hard Rain A-Gonna fall' in his version as a parody only. I > should say that I like 'These Foolish Things ' exactly for that: the entire > disk being a collection of parodies. Oh..., well, not exactly parodies, but > anyway Mr Ferry on that album, IMHO, demonstrated a post-modernistic > approach to the rock music. > Am I right? > > TIA, > Alex > Err.... there's nothing intrisically postmodern about parody (or satire, for that matter). Just ask the ancient Greeks or Jonathon Swift. I would agree that the late sixties/early seventies probably brought the first flowering of a postmodern pop consciousness, and the best of "glam" (Bowie, Roxy) was where this broke out into the mainstream (i.e. the charts). Pop music *with overt irony* is certainly not the same as *parody*, however. For an obvious parody of Dylan, see Neil Innes' song (the name escapes me) with its lines: "And my philosophy Like colour TV Is all there in black and white" (Can anyone else remember this song, and tell me where to get it? He did it on TV years ago, with superbly incompetent harmonica breaks...!) A degree of ironic detachment, surely, allows an artist to pay tribute to other peoples' work at the same time as gently mocking some aspects of it (or of their own response, or the audience's response, to it). I feel These Foolish Things was far more a labour of love than of piss-taking (parody). If the album had any deconstructive intent (a big part of many postmodernist works) it was surely a very gentle one. So, agreed, "not exactly parodies"..... not parodies at all, I'd say. And no, it certainly wasn't pre-postmodern ;0) !!!!! Remember Richard Hamilton and Pop Art. Pop was the first postmodernn art movement, wasn't it? And Ferry has never made any secret of wanting to put the Pop Art into pop music. Revolt into style, comrades! Your pal The Organism ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #334 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest