From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #333 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, September 12 2000 Volume 05 : Number 333 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] other Gigs [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Politics [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Politics / Ondes ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Politics [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Politics / Ondes [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] It's a plastic world babe [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Different coloured Siren covers ["Ferdinand Biesheuvel" ] [AVALON] What's ROXY??? ["Alex" ] Re: [AVALON] testing.... ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:53:50 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] other Gigs There aren't any. Madrid's not happening now, so it's just St Petersburg, Moscow and Hannover (still no confirmed date) to round off Ferry's little world jaunt. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: diane whateley [mailto:d.whateley@lycos.com] Sent: 10 September 2000 22:43 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] other Gigs Does anyone know of any dates that BF has, other than in Russia and Hannover, in the near future? Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:03:10 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Politics Hi Martin, interesting points. I guess we all agree that Ferry is pretty conservative. Personally I do understand (and don't mind) if he does not play all these aids-concerts (that were so populaire in the eighties, they were all "so human" and it was excellent to reach a wider audience to make even more money....). He should not bore us with his working-class background as I don't know what he tries to say with it. That he still belongs to the "street" - maybe it's his own personal guilt-complex, who cares! He's build the life he wanted and should just stick to it. During his chat (some time ago) I remember him saying something like that kids have it easier these days - - it did annoy me as it just proofs that his thoughts don't go any deeper. Does he really think he had such a hard childhood and thinks kids (especially his own) have it too easy. Opinions like that make him look really old. I guess growing up with all material standards might be a lot more difficult then having nothing; it takes aways your dreams. I would not like to be a kid (especially not Ferry's) these days as life has become so complexed and full of stress (plus highest expectations and pressure (didn't he put his eldest son down to Eton and he failed!)); you have to become successful, loosers (or dreamers) are not really wanted these days. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:36:37 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Politics / Ondes - ---------- >From: Julialiva@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Politics >Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 11:03 am > > Hi Martin, > interesting points. I guess we all agree that Ferry is pretty conservative. If that's what you inferred from my post then I am not communicating well. I was tring to say that if - IF - he has a political consciousness then its probably focussed upon a desire to maintain a rural satus quo rather than, say, the merits of the Euro. I doubt if he cares two hoots whether Blair or Hague reside at 10 Downing Street. Artistically I would suggest Bryan is far from conservative, more a champion of the New. A modernist, be it as a collector of fine art, fine musicians and not-so-fine TV Presenters. > During his chat (some time > ago) I remember him saying something like that kids have it easier these days > - it did annoy me as it just proofs that his thoughts don't go any deeper. > Does he really think he had such a hard childhood and thinks kids (especially > his own) have it too easy. Opinions like that make him look really old. Do you really think the psychological pressures (that you allude to) experienced by "young" people today compare with the real hardships of someone growing up in post-war North-East England ? Is he a reactionary fool to point out that having shoes on your feet and bread on your plate are slightly more pressing concerns than having the right trainers and affording the coolest palm pilot ? (And, as Bryan has often pointed out, his family were the lucky ones in his street as Fred tended to have work.) Martini PS I see that Radiohead use the Ondes Martenot extensively in their new album Kid A. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:02:08 +0200 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: [AVALON] It's a plastic world babe I would agree that it's actually hard to say where Ferry is to be found at, politically. Though it's quite certain that he has got some conservative streaks and it's absolutely true that he has been and to some extent still is, a progressive artist. In the end that is what is most important to me, but as Ferry is my all-time favourite musician, I have to admit I'd find it a pity if, FOR EXAMPLE, he did statements in favour of capital punishment (or is it called death penalty?), like other artists have done (mostly not very well-considered), so I'm glad he doesn't do this. Yes, probably he is interesting in saving the natural countryside, and in a TV interview in 1994 I remember him commenting on hunting balls as "terrible" - so he's not the regular countryside lord one would easily tend to attribute to him. In another interview published in Germany (I can give you the source if you wish so) the interviewer said to him that he got the impression that Ferry was actually quite conservative in some points, which Bryan (I seem to remember) took as a compliment, but more in a sense of "classic", traditional, I guess. Still he said he believed to have an avant-garde side as well. This all fits in quite well with his statement in MOJO (1999) that he didn't really know where he stood (does he ever?). Another point: I think it's understandable that he describes post-war life as very hard. It appears to me he thinks himself quite lucky to have been able to escape. Growing up now is not easy either, true, but in my mind one has to consider the hardships arising out of the lack of existential goods (there's always enough air to breathe, but drink, bread, bed etc.???). And in your mind? Best wishes, Christian P.S.: Bryan is anti-Euro. He said he likes the different cultures in different places, and also the different currencies etc. He stated to be disliking the prospect of "Mc Donald's everywhere" and said: "It's all about greed, isn't it"? I just wanted to let you know this. - ---------- >Von: "Martin Stockman" >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Politics / Ondes >Datum: Mon, 11. Sep 2000 13:36 Uhr > > > > >---------- >>From: Julialiva@aol.com >>To: avalon@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: [AVALON] Politics >>Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 11:03 am >> > >> Hi Martin, >> interesting points. I guess we all agree that Ferry is pretty conservative. > >If that's what you inferred from my post then I am not communicating well. I >was tring to say that if - IF - he has a political consciousness then its >probably focussed upon a desire to maintain a rural satus quo rather than, >say, the merits of the Euro. I doubt if he cares two hoots whether Blair or >Hague reside at 10 Downing Street. Artistically I would suggest Bryan is far >from conservative, more a champion of the New. A modernist, be it as a >collector of fine art, fine musicians and not-so-fine TV Presenters. > >> During his chat (some time >> ago) I remember him saying something like that kids have it easier these days >> - it did annoy me as it just proofs that his thoughts don't go any deeper. >> Does he really think he had such a hard childhood and thinks kids (especially >> his own) have it too easy. Opinions like that make him look really old. > >Do you really think the psychological pressures (that you allude to) >experienced by "young" people today compare with the real hardships of >someone growing up in post-war North-East England ? Is he a reactionary fool >to point out that having shoes on your feet and bread on your plate are >slightly more pressing concerns than having the right trainers and affording >the coolest palm pilot ? (And, as Bryan has often pointed out, his family >were the lucky ones in his street as Fred tended to have work.) > >Martini > >PS I see that Radiohead use the Ondes Martenot extensively in their new >album Kid A. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:35:34 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Politics / Ondes >> >. Artistically I would suggest Bryan is far >from conservative, more a champion of the New. A modernist, be it as a >collector of fine art, fine musicians and not-so-fine TV Presenters. > But there is a clear if surprising link between some brands of political conservatism and an interest in 'new' art. Witness the Saatchi brothers. And people of the left - particularly older people - are inclined to be artistcally conservative. When Roy Hattersley began writing novels, they were pseudo-Victorian doorsteps. The unique and chilling horror of Mrs Thatcher was that she combined the worst of everything, meanness with philistinism. John Le carre, the novelist, turned down a title from her, and remarked that she was the finest small mindhe'd ever met. But, though some pop stars and artists can be in part understood by their politics, and plenty of them make it public, I think trying to figure out which box Ferry ticks on election day,if any, doesn't bring us any nearer to understanding him. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:36:16 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Politics Martin wrote of Bryan Ferry: "He inhabits an artistic netherworld best found within the sumptuous soundscape of Windswept." Has BF contacted you lately to arrange collaboration on lyrics? Sounds very good to me - your words are worth a thousand pictures, a thousand thoughts. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:26:25 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Politics / Ondes Sorry Martin, no interesting points this time. I did not mean a political state of mind when I reckon that Ferry is conservative; although I would not agree that he is a modernist (would doubt that he wants be one) as everything he looks upon and admires belongs to the past and is usually combined with success in some sort of Hollywood-style; which is okay as it suits his interest in classics. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:36:19 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] It's a plastic world babe Thanks for your comment, Christain, I also see Ferry's conservative opinions more based on his general interest in classic. Concerning his childhood it's his right to feel how he does, however, it is a mistake to compare it the way he does; you can always find somebody who had it even worse or better...it's an endless and useless discussion. If he thinks like that somebody coudl say to him,w ell, in that way you were better off being born in 1945 then within the war - especially in Germany & eastern Europe and he had all these great opportunities some could not even think of...! It depends on the reflection. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:21:37 +0200 From: "Ferdinand Biesheuvel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Different coloured Siren covers I have trouble by mailing post the normal way, so i'll try it with this button Philarmonicferry, is there a classical recording of Ferry cq. Roxy Music work . In my lokal record store and on the internet they have got albums of the music of George Michael, Abba, Rod Stewart, Police etc. etc. played by the London, Paris, Munich, Deventer philarmonic orchestras but non of BF, RM. How is it possible that there is no" hooked on Roxy." NOT that i'm a great fan of this kind of compilations but it's an insault if there isn't such a recording of the best composer since Bach. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Measures (roaming access address) To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:13 PM Subject: [AVALON] Different coloured Siren covers > Hi there from a long time lurker just returned to these (UK) shores from > working in South America. > > Im sure some of you officianados will know the origins of a version of > the Siren album produced with yellow as the background colour as opposed > to the normally seen blue. This is currently up for auction on Ebay and > is generating quite a lot of interest, currently up to £60 and rising. > Is it that rare. Answers on a postcard to this list please !! > > Chris Measures > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:35:39 +0200 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Diplomatic core in St Petersburg Julia wrote: It would be better not to say anything political at all. Quite..... there's one thing we all have in common here, and that is the Great Man himself. Once you start on politics, your friends can become enemies. Does anyone know why BF decided not to take a sax player on his Mamouna and Bete Noire concerts ? (ignoring the fact that he did have a guest on stage a couple of times). Nice evening, Stephen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:28:09 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Diplomatic core in St Petersburg In einer eMail vom 11.09.00 20:51:13 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de: << Quite..... there's one thing we all have in common here, and that is the Great Man himself. Once you start on politics, your friends can become enemies. > Thank you for this final comment, I was aleady getting a bit fed up with this discussion. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:42:47 +0200 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] It's a plastic world babe Yes, Julia, I see what you mean. Different times, different problems, never too easy to compare. "The worst is not so long as we can say 'This is the worst.'" (Shakespeare, I think). Referring to what Tim wrote I would like to emphasise that obviously we all share a love of Ferry's work, and of course his private and political opinions are not necessarily one of the most important things to us. But if one sets out to interpret bits and pieces of an artist's work, the work can be seen from different angles, e. g. a phenomenological one or a biographical and psychoanalytic one etc. The former would have to focus merely on the piece of art that's given, the latter would have to include lots of biographical material - - and of course you can do both of it. Things like "Dream Home" "2 HB" or "Your Painted Smile" even are, I'm quite certain, influenced by Ferry's view of a decadent world of luxury. They are so attractive because they do not simply praise luxury, but also indicate, Fitzgerald-like, the decay and the darkness. This has been written quite often, I know, but it is based on Ferry's biography and artistic modification of personal experience. No wonder he chose the name "Roxy" for the band. But this is a vast topic, and it's late. Yawn. Christian >Von: Julialiva@aol.com >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] It's a plastic world babe >Datum: Mon, 11. Sep 2000 17:36 Uhr > >Thanks for your comment, Christain, I also see Ferry's conservative opinions >more based on his general interest in classic. Concerning his childhood it's >his right to feel how he does, however, it is a mistake to compare it the way >he does; you can always find somebody who had it even worse or better...it's >an endless and useless discussion. If he thinks like that somebody coudl say >to him,w ell, in that way you were better off being born in 1945 then within >the war - especially in Germany & eastern Europe and he had all these great >opportunities some could not even think of...! It depends on the reflection. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:55:01 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: [AVALON] More about translations, rap covers etc... Dear All, Just surfacing briefly from the daily grind to pass on a fun little item someone brought to my attention today. If you visit http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~eclectic/toys/jive.html and type in your favourite text, you'll get an instant 'jive' translation. It may not be PC but it is funny - especially if read back in a rap style. Just about anything works - > If yo' ass feel blue > Peek through who's who... > But I know > An' yo' ass know > We all know > She gonna have some tru-ly badass time... > I blew down yo' body > But yo' ass blew mah mind... > Learn from yo' mistakes be mah only De'ah Abby > An' stay diesel be still da main rule... > Oh mama o' pearl > I wouldn't trade yo' ass > 4 anotha' goat... > If I wuz yo' ass > I would stay > 4 some tiny-ass while > If yo' ass wuz me > Would yo' ass ankle out > In style? ...and who can argue with that ? But it's hard to beat: > Yo' ass make me nervous > Yo' ass telephone > Yo' ass roll me whack > I wanna be monk-like. Ah well, tea-break over, back on my head... Regards, Ivor. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:26:59 +0400 From: "Alex" Subject: [AVALON] Hard rain a-gonna fall Hello, I'm relatively new to Mr Ferry and so I can be incorect, but I have to say that I perceive 'Hard Rain A-Gonna fall' in his version as a parody only. I should say that I like 'These Foolish Things ' exactly for that: the entire disk being a collection of parodies. Oh..., well, not exactly parodies, but anyway Mr Ferry on that album, IMHO, demonstrated a post-modernistic approach to the rock music. Am I right? TIA, Alex ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:22:38 +0400 From: "Alex" Subject: [AVALON] What's ROXY??? Hello, >No wonder > he chose the name "Roxy" for the band. Oh, please, please, explain the meaning of the word 'Roxy' to a poor Russian!!! I like Fitzgerald and I do agree that he influenced Mr Ferry. But my English is so poor and in my dictionary there's no entry for 'Roxy' :( TIA, Alex ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:54:24 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] testing.... test had problems posting (well couldn't post at all...) should work again now with new adress. great tool, ivor! "lova', when yo' ass make me come alive..." sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! 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