From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #320 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, August 31 2000 Volume 05 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Vinyl and Musikladen ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Casanova [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Vinyl and Musikladen [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc ["Paul Wasowicz" ] Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Casanova [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc [Julialiva@aol.com] [AVALON] John Cale [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc ["Prince of Happiness" ] Re: [AVALON] John Cale ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Re: More Than This [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] RE: [AVALON] Casanova ["Rob Edwards" ] [AVALON] The only thing sad about this post is me! [Peter Dewey ] Re: [AVALON] Casanova : A Monumental Jewel ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] Strictly Casanova. [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Re: [AVALON] John Cale [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] John Cale [Julialiva@aol.com] [AVALON] Vynil [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Origins of Avalon (cont'd)avalon-digest V5 #318 ["David Squi] Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc ["sjaak" ] Re: [AVALON] The only thing sad about this post is me! [Peter Dewey ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy-stuff ["Tracy Connell" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:50:46 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Vinyl and Musikladen What I want to know is, those people who have "These Foolish Things" on vinyl (the original Island pressing), does Hard Rain jump? My inherited copy (which I've had for 20 years now) always has, no matter how many coins I put over the stylus. My only non-jumping source until a couple of years ago was a scratchy single And Musikladen. I was re-watching the Roxy sets the other day and I wondered if anyone (Julia?) knows why the letters S H I T on display at the back of the set. What does it mean? I have a tendency to read it as a word, but I'm sure the initials stand for something. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:43:58 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova Hi Terry, glad you agree with the general atmosphere on Country Life that fits so well with "Casanova". Is anyone happy with Ferry singing in German; I thought he has done a great job; he did catch the spirit of the german language very well. Does anyone know if he had this written in English first and then translated or did he have some help from the german cover-girls? Btw, what does the "head and shoulder"-cover mean? I do have the german one from 1974 and have never seen a cover like that - my one shows the girl in almost full size! Love to see a picture of this cover!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:49:09 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Vinyl and Musikladen Hi Simon, I might have been lucky to get an original copy that does not jump. Unfortunately I don't have a second one so I could have send it over to you but maybe Johnny can help you out there! I wouldn't bother too much about this "Shit" thing; it's pretty useless and I guess it's just something left over from the flower-power generation; it certainly has nothing to do with Roxy Music as they have always been the biggest highlight at this show for quite a few years. Even when they were not playing live there anymore they had kept "Roxy Music" on the wall. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:39:44 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc I told them it wasn't pressed on Vinyl - >am I right about this ? - or was there a limited few ? Anyone on here got it >on Vinyl Yes, Johnny, MORE THAN THIS was definitely released on vinyl. I didn't buy it, but I saw it in one of the Soho shops - the one next to Simply Sausages. It was presented in a beautiful gaterfold sleeve. I remember being very impressed with the image of the girl with the ship on her head, which made a much more powerful impact at greater size. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:20:05 -0500 From: "Paul Wasowicz" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc Can you elaborate on that "the greatest Album ever made in the history of Music." I don't see it. I seriously don't. Maybe because I am too young or something. To me the greatest album is Abbey Road by The Beatles. No questions about that. But that just me. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Reece" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc Tracy, the tracks you mention are on For Your Pleasure - the greatest Album ever made in the history of Music. (Oh no, there's that bias of mine again...) As for brand - new Vinyl pressings, Virgin did do a limited edition of the first 2 I think, some time back, maybe a couple of years, on top quality Vinyl - only down side was the price - around £18. I did get an FYP one of these - but I've never played it - still wrapped up ! Crazy really, I have so many of FYP in various forms, from various countries. It's a disease, I tell you ! A company called 'Simply Vinyl' did call me up last week - as they wanted to release the 'More Than This' comp on Vinyl through their own sources (not sure if they're allowed to do that, but still...). They asked me to lend them the cover - the VINYL cover. I told them it wasn't pressed on Vinyl - am I right about this ? - or was there a limited few ? Anyone on here got it on Vinyl ? Would love to know. They said they did consider each Roxy Album 'individually' - but were unsure of the market for them because of the recent CD Remasters being freely available (apparently, 'Simply Vinyl' only want to do pressings of a minimum 100,000 units for any title - and want to ensure there is enough 'marketability' first). I do, from time to time, get great condition Roxy LPs through the shop (especially the last 3 !) so let me know what you are looking for. Just last week I got the first 5 through in mint condition, but C. Life is all that's left of that batch now. Ferry solo LPs are plentiful too (especially These Foolish Things - they're everywhere !), though the only ones of BFs that are particularly sought after are usually Taxi and Mamouna - as not many were pressed on Vinyl of those 2, particularly Mamouna. Many from the Roxy Vinyl Box Set do turn up too - but never the 'Box' itself... Reecey... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Be afraid. www.albumzone.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:23:13 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc >>> "Tim Kendrick" 08/31 11:39 am >>> >I saw it in one of the Soho shops - the one next to Simply Sausages....the girl >with the ship on her head, which made a much more powerful impact at >greater size. Are you sure it wasn't a sausage? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:38:00 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova At 22.45 +0000 0-08-30, Tracy Connell wrote: >Simon, I always thought the LST version of Casanova was more powerful. I agree with that. I like LST better then In Your Mind and The Bride... That the song is about Brian Eno is well-known, but woth repeating. Daniel *who bought Thursday Afternoon second hand, but have still to listend to it* ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:07:41 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc If you do listen to anything after the release of F.Y.P. (at least within the british music world) you can understand what makes this record so special. Some records are just nice......some are innovative.......but this one is absolutely thrilling - an artistic highlight, it's just great to hear how they keep breaking the rules of ordinary rockmusic - couldn't be better! Finest cover I've ever seen (to me Amanda Lear was the best Cover-girl ever seen), brillant lyrics, each musician playing out his individuality - everything's perfect to me. I must have heard it about a thousand times and can never get fed up with it. Can't compare it with "Abbey Road" - totally different musical ambition. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:17:32 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] John Cale Does anyone know if Ferry ever thought about the idea producing a record with John Cale? Cale might be not the easiest person to work with but I think he's a great talent and I can imagine he would understand Ferry's intention. He's great on supporting voices - love his contribition to the work of Patti Smith and Nico. He's always good for a surprise within his solo-work. Does anyone like him too? Conny Plank would have been great too but unfortunetely he is not with us anymore. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:33:17 CDT From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc Has anybody ever heard of Cobra Verde? They're an act out here from Cleveland. Really good stuff, edging along closely to Roxy at times especially when the singer affects a vibrato and the sax goes off. Hell even the cover: A beautiful woman in fishnet, make up, feathered boa, holding a champagne bottle, reclining on an androgyne in the back of a limo. The nice treats about it is that this beautiful woman is Lisa Ronson, Ronno's daughter, and the photo was taken by Mick Rock. :) The PrinceofHappines "lover you got the power, to resurrect another monster, and all the angels flying before me, you could destroy them with a whisper"-The Makers, "Sex is Good Food" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:39:46 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc At 07.20 -0500 0-08-31, Paul Wasowicz wrote: >To me the greatest album is Abbey Road by The Beatles. No >questions about that. But that just me. I tend to go with Ian McDonalöd in "Revolution in the Head" and list "Revolver" and "Sgt Pepper", hum. I know a lot of people that like you prefer their swan song. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:54:26 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Cale I am slowly discovering John Cale. It's a gradual thing where I buy an album every couple of years. The ones that stick in the mind are "Paris 1919" and "Fear", both excellent albums. And his version of Heartbreak Hotel is good too. A decent compilation is Close Watch which came out as a cheap compilation of Island a couple of years ago. His autobiography "What's Welsh for Zen" is a fantastic read. As for Eno and Manzo on Gun, now that's something else! SimonG >>> 08/31 2:17 pm >>> Does anyone know if Ferry ever thought about the idea producing a record with John Cale? Cale might be not the easiest person to work with but I think he's a great talent and I can imagine he would understand Ferry's intention. He's great on supporting voices - love his contribition to the work of Patti Smith and Nico. He's always good for a surprise within his solo-work. Does anyone like him too? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:34:03 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: More Than This I've had More Than This for several months now .Yes a girl on cover has a ship on her head. On back & inside, Ferry is in his red western wear, western hat & all. He's also on the cover with the girl. The Best of Bryan Ferry + Roxy Music. 19 tracks in all, including some from ATGB. Marlana........................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:19:27 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Casanova Casanova on Country Life - A brilliant song that is ripe for being covered. I love it! The Let's Stick Together version is too restrained, to quiet. PLAY THIS TRACK LOUD, NOW!!!! I thank you. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Simon Galloway Sent: 30 August 2000 11:10 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Casanova Hmmm. I think I prefer the Let's Stick Together version, but it all depends what mood I'm in. The CL version is like a big art-rock/heavy metal/funk mixture, that threatens to do damage, whereas the LST version is restrained, which I think makes it more sinister. Also, the double-tracked octave vocal (one high, one low) is used to great effect, and has been ripped off many times since (come on down Brett Anderson). Certainly the current live version is great, far better than some other live versions I've heard (especially the horrible one on the New Town video). SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:10:25 +0100 From: Peter Dewey Subject: [AVALON] The only thing sad about this post is me! I've been making a list of the official Ferry/Roxy releases that I do not have on CD. They are: Roxy Music For Your Pleasure (live 75) 7" B-Side To Turn You On (alternate version) 7" B-Side The Main Thing (remix) 7" B-side The 7" single versions of: Both Ends Burning (76 secs) Street Life (53 secs) & Take A Chance With Me (57 secs) Are all shorter than the versions on albums or CD compilations I suppose that Sultanesque (the right way round) & The Numberer (in Stereo) Should be included And are we SURE that the High Road EP was not Frejus? Can't we include the live versions of: Can't Let Go Jealous Guy Like A Hurricane My Only Love? Bryan Ferry: Don't Stop The Dance (instrumental) 12" B-Side Let's Stick Together (Westside '88 Extended Remix) 12" version Limbo (single Latin Mix) 7" B-Side Limbo (Brooklyn Mix) 7" B-Side The Price Of Love (R&B 89 Extended Remix) 12" version The Right Stuff (Brooklyn Mix) &" B-Side Slave To Love (instrumental) 12" B-Side Windswept (instrumental) 7 & 12" B-Sides Help Me. PS, Why was the theme tune to Rock Follies not included on either of the recent CD releases? - -- Peter Dewey ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:56:47 +0200 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova Tracy wrote: Apart from Slave To Love, and Virginia Plain, Casanova made my day. Anyone else want to chuck in their 2cents? i'd more than double that, but the original Casanova is unbeatable. RM and BF at their best: sax, sex, guitar chops, Ferry crooning, and romanzing at one hell of a powerful beat. Brilliant. I'm biased, this songs my all time favourite, keep your 2 cents, and make sure this song is played at my funeral. br, Stephen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:22:15 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova My two pennies: I love both versions, but I think I favor the Roxy version slightly because of the way Bryan belts out "Now you're flirting with he-ro-wi-hi-hi-hiiiiiiiiiiin." ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:51:41 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova : A Monumental Jewel Casanova is one of the great songs in the canon, and well worthy of Avalonion scrutiny. (I should begin by reaffirming my view that the Roxy v Solo argument is, at best, a distraction. No doubt this view will be unpopular. Much as I love most of the "Roxy" songs I can't help but regard them as having been largely penned by Bryan. Ergo : Roxy is Bryan. I think the regard for Mackay and Manzo, and to a lesser extent, Thundersticks and Eno, is largely sentimental. I know. In 1973 I WAS that Sentimental Fool. Mackay was the cool one, Eno the sexy one, Phil the guitar hero, Thommo the macho bloke, and then there was that guy with the funny voice behind the keyboard stage right, his snakeskin complexion, his newborn foal gymnastics by an everglow fire . Flash photograph was the only light I saw. All those bright lights confusing me. And so forth. There is a suspicion in recent times, for example, amongst these sentimentalists, that Ferry could have been more generous with the co-writing credits on the first two albums. Yet the same people who suggest things never got better than Beauty Queen, Dreahome and Strand - Roxy Sentimentalist heartland - appear unaware that the Maestro wrote these masterpieces in a cottage in Derbyshire ON HIS OWN. Andy wasn't even making the sandwiches. Nor did Phil make the beer run. Eno didn't even tweek the Gas meter. In football (soccer) a diehard supporter may have more affection for the honest journeyman full back than the midfield genius who may desert the fan's beloved local team for AC Milan next week. Just as Bryan was perceived by the Roxyscenti to have courted an American audience around F&B - - "too flash, that Bryan ; you know where you are with Andy and Phil !" I'll go further and suggest it is a peculiarly laddish trait to champion a group of boys - a team, a possee, a band - rather than an individual. With the best will in the world its hard to think of any album (with the possible exception of Diamond Head) made by a non-BF Roxy person to stand up to any of Bryan's work. I've also bored pre-99 Avalon with my thoughts on how some albums share certain dynamics, regardles of chronolgy ; a surprising one being the links between Roxy Music (the album) and Mamouna. My point being that there is no distinct difference between RM and BF solo. ) Which is my starting point for this discussion : Casanova. The two recorded versions rather than illustrating the differences between how Roxy and Bryan would interpret a song actually exhbit the expressionist / impressionist dichotomy of Ferry's work. Before carting me off to Pseuds Corner hear me out. The Country Life version : harsh, visceral, .. this Casanova is the most unpleasant figure described in our universe, snarlingly delivered, guitars raging throughout. The solo version is strictly cocktail hour, arguably the weirdest sax solo outside Simone's "Spell on You", Ferry cajoles, conjures moths to his flame ; the bass dicatates, the guitar waits in line. We're crooning not hectoring. The devil and the deep blue sea. Of course they're both brilliant. Two great songs for the price of one. If you like your Bryan angry, as Ms (Whiplash) Gustafson evidently does, go no further than track three side two of album four. If you want to meet Bryan in a club on the wrong side of the tracks then spin the needle in the LST groove. Watch that pencil moustache though, it may scratch the letters C A S A N O V A on your cheek. And what's it all about (Ferry) ? A riposte to Dead Finks ? I don't buy it. Sure Eno was a swordsman in his rock star Roxy salad days. But more of a drug user than anyone else .?. Brian is many things - cerebral, onanist, - but never a sleazeball. No. I favour the notion that its a (yawn) rhapsody of self-hate, written in a chemical / sexual downswing, a confessional liturgy for the damned Prince of Cool. I think I'll go and play it (them) now .. Martin ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:36:36 +0100 From: Robert Whiteford Subject: RE: [AVALON] The only thing sad about this post is me! Peter - Sure. These tracks were recorded in Glasgow Apollo by Radio Clydes mobile unit Rob W - -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dewey [SMTP:peter@dewey.demon.co.uk] Sent: 31 August 2000 17:10 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] The only thing sad about this post is me! And are we SURE that the High Road EP was not Frejus? Can't we include the live versions of: Can't Let Go Jealous Guy Like A Hurricane My Only Love? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:44:52 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova : A Monumental Jewel Thank you Martin for a very nice posting. I wish I could write as well as you do. My Swedish might be close, but in English, no way... I like Roxy Music more then I like Mr Ferry solo, Mamouna being an exception. I like some of Manzanera's and Eno's solo stuff, 801 Live being my chioce. Mr Ferry is a person who, like Isaac Hayes, reworks his songs. It would be intresting hear Mr Ferry doing new studio versions of the 70's Roxy stuff. My two cents Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:20:27 +0200 From: "Ferdinand Biesheuvel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Cale What a coincidence, I've listenin to Fragments of a rainy season right at this moment. It's wonderfull, i like John Cale verrymuch especially Live. Cale made his album fear together with Manzanera, he workes well with members of RM. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:17 PM Subject: [AVALON] John Cale > Does anyone know if Ferry ever thought about the idea producing a record with > John Cale? Cale might be not the easiest person to work with but I think he's > a great talent and I can imagine he would understand Ferry's intention. He's > great on supporting voices - love his contribition to the work of Patti Smith > and Nico. He's always good for a surprise within his solo-work. Does anyone > like him too? Conny Plank would have been great too but unfortunetely he is > not with us anymore. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:05:27 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] Strictly Casanova. I must admit that these are two of my most favorite Roy songs. If there was ever any doubt in my mind that I would always be a fan of this band they were dispelled by Strictly Confidential I've always thought of this track as spine chilling. On the Casanova debate I have to say that the Country Life version wins hands down. It was a perfect companion piece to Bittersweet, very intense and to my ears very germainic. The Let's Sick Together version of it and the other early songs lacked everything that made the Roxy originals so special. Having said that I have to agree with Johnny Reece and his views on the latest live version of Casanova, those strings really did bring the track to life. It still isn't as captivating as the Roxy version, but it's certainly brings it closer. Like Johnny I'm also a member of the old Roxy school, to me the solo output of it's members has never reached the creative highs of the band they once formed. On occassions they have come close, but they always tend to lack the special something you always got with Roxy. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:38:00 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Cale "Heartbreak Hotel" is one of the best and weirdest cover-versions of an Elvis-song I've ever heard. He went really made doing this live. It is strange but I've only seen today that he is going to play here (in Nuremberg) live on Sept. 12nd - how wonderful. Last time I've seen him was at the Supper Club in N.Y.C. about 4 years ago. It was an amazing evening - you think somebody of Velvet Underground would be famous over there and the club crowed. There were only a couple of people (family and friends I suppose) but the club tself (wow - non smoking during the concert!) was ever so beautiful, red velvet & a very intimate atmosphere. David Byrne jumped on stage playing a great guitar solo in one of Cale's last songs; I hadn't seen him since the Talking Heads times. At one time (especially at the Dortmund concert where Roxy Music played as headliners) I thought they were even more innoavtive (at least at that time) then Roxy. They had become so show-bizzy to a mass-audience......don't like to look back on that time to be honest! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:47:45 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Cale Hi Ferdinand, great to see somebody likes Cale. Maybe you can catch him on his recent tour, I know for sure he's playing in Germany! Will send an review when I've seen him in Nuremberg Sept. 12th - I really look forward to the concert. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:51:11 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Vynil I have the gate fold vynil for More Than This. The inner sleeve has the lyrics in the same style as the CD booklet and there is also the picture of the Unicorn. As Time Goes By and Slave To Love are the only 2 UK albums never to have been released on vynil. The nearest you will get to As Time Goes By on vynil is a 7" jukebox copy that was available in USA, the B-side was Falling In Love Again. EMI did a 100 year anniversary edition of several albums being re-released on high grade vynil. FYP was one with the sleeve being identical to the original vynil, but the debut album Roxy Music was not a gatefold like it's original. Instead, what was the inner part of the sleeve was now on both sides of the inner liner. To answer someones recent posts on values of 7" singles, you can expect to pay the following in 'Record Collector' magazine ads and specialist shops :- Island label UK issues (Non Picture Sleeve) £3-£5 Island label Europe issues (Picture sleeves where different in most countries) £10-£18 Island label Japan issues (Picture Sleeve) £40-£100 Polydor label UK issues (Picture Sleeve) £3-£5 Polydor label Europe issues (Picture Sleeve) £5-£8 Polydor label Japan issues (Picture Sleeve) £10-£30 USA Atco label £5-£10 USA Virgin £5-£10 Some 7" are available as 'promo only' 'mono/stereo promo' 'long/short promo' 'white label' 'one sided' 'jukebox only' These valuations are based on what I have seen over the years as a collector and what I have payed for them. The golden rule is that something is only really worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. For the best deals, try e-bay and you could be lucky sometimes or at record fairs. I found a Japanese copy of Virginia Plain at a fair once for £7. I had only seen it for sale twice in 20 years collecting and the cheapest was £40 ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:52:46 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Origins of Avalon (cont'd)avalon-digest V5 #318 On 30 Aug 2000, at 16:12, Ivor wrote: > n.p. Mogul Thrash (amazing what you can find, even in tiny shops in the > depths of Wales !) That wouldn't be Hag's records in Lampeter by any chance? David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:11:12 +0200 From: "sjaak" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc Hai Reecey, I do have the More Than This comp. on vinyl. I bought it in London in 1995. It's a 2-LP with fold-out sleeve. The front cover is the same as page 3 of the CD-booklet. Inside are the lyrics of all tracks and the picture of page 10 and page 13of the CD booklet. Sjaak ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:12:25 +0100 From: Peter Dewey Subject: Re: [AVALON] The only thing sad about this post is me! Ah Yes, Rob. But are there not those who belive that these tracks were skillfully transplanted into "Heart Still Beating"? I confess to not knowing the answer to this, as I haven't listened to the High Road in yonks! Yours perplexedly - -- Peter Dewey ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:16:31 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Strictly Casanova. Tom wrote: >On the Casanova debate I have to say that the Country Life version wins >hands down. It was a perfect companion piece to Bittersweet, very >intense and to my ears very germainic. The Let's Sick Together version >of it and the other early songs lacked everything that made the Roxy >originals so special. Having said that I have to agree with Johnny Reece >and his views on the latest live version of Casanova, those strings >really did bring the track to life. It still isn't as captivating as the >Roxy version, but it's certainly brings it closer. > This is almost eerie! I know i didn't write the above, still, everything in my heart says I did! Tommie-dear, let's kiss!! Don't mind that stocky Stockman, he's only jealous....*smoooch* /Kicki G - -------------------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:35:09 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc Hi Reecey, I do have For Your Pleasure on CD, but must admit I've spent more time listening to Country Life out of all the Remasters I bought. More Than This was release on vinyl. I do have a vinyl copy of that, and of Mamouna. I don't have Taxi or Country Life on vinyl and there are a few other I don't have but I'll have to check my collection when I have more time. How much do your vinyl copies sell for when you get them in? Thanks for the information. I'll make a point of listening to FYP, after The Early Years which I just bought today. I'm in HMV so often the guy who served me said he had been wondering when I was going to come in for this CD! Tracy. >From: "Johnny Reece" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: [AVALON] Re : Albums etc >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:44:34 +0100 > >Tracy, the tracks you mention are on For Your Pleasure - the greatest Album >ever made in the history of Music. (Oh no, there's that bias of mine >again...) >As for brand - new Vinyl pressings, Virgin did do a limited edition of the >first 2 I think, some time back, maybe a couple of years, on top quality >Vinyl - only down side was the price - around £18. I did get an FYP one of >these - but I've never played it - still wrapped up ! Crazy really, I have >so many of FYP in various forms, from various countries. It's a disease, I >tell you ! >A company called 'Simply Vinyl' did call me up last week - as they wanted >to >release the 'More Than This' comp on Vinyl through their own sources (not >sure if they're allowed to do that, but still...). They asked me to lend >them the cover - the VINYL cover. I told them it wasn't pressed on Vinyl - >am I right about this ? - or was there a limited few ? Anyone on here got >it >on Vinyl ? Would love to know. They said they did consider each Roxy Album >'individually' - but were unsure of the market for them because of the >recent CD Remasters being freely available (apparently, 'Simply Vinyl' only >want to do pressings of a minimum 100,000 units for any title - and want to >ensure there is enough 'marketability' first). >I do, from time to time, get great condition Roxy LPs through the shop >(especially the last 3 !) so let me know what you are looking for. >Just last week I got the first 5 through in mint condition, but C. Life is >all that's left of that batch now. >Ferry solo LPs are plentiful too (especially These Foolish Things - they're >everywhere !), though the only ones of BFs that are particularly sought >after are usually Taxi and Mamouna - as not many were pressed on Vinyl of >those 2, particularly Mamouna. Many from the Roxy Vinyl Box Set do turn >up >too - but never the 'Box' itself... >Reecey... > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Be afraid. www.albumzone.net >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:39:10 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy-stuff Thanks Julia, I don't have Country Life or Stranded on vinyl yet. I'll let you know what else I have missing. Thanks, Tracy. >From: Julialiva@aol.com >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy-stuff >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:56:46 EDT > >Hi Tracy, the early records (especially all the singles) are all on vinyl >(now I can really enjoy the scratchy sound). Just let me know what you >need; >I am sure about "Country Life" and "Strandet" but since my >record-collection >is pretty large I must give it a proper look. Nice to see the different >views >of "Casanova", I think Ferry would love it - it proofs the quality of the >song. (I really must brush up my English to give better comments!) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! 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